real talk: so, why don't chicks have more SCs where dudes dance for 'em?
gothamyte
from that Adam Westsiiiide of Gotham
i'm always hoping a new generation of women will make this happen
i think it'd be good for everybody. but what do i know?
i don't know why i want this to happen. but i do.
and not chippendale dudes dancing on stage either. i want chicks to have regular dudes on stage. no six packs.
i was mad once. this chick told me she went to a strip club where dudes dance. he was waiting on a tip from her
and she poured ice cubes down his underwear instead of a tip because she was being an ass. as a SC patron, i'm offended.
that's why i want chicks to have more SCs where dudes dance. they need to know that can't ride....
i think it'd be good for everybody. but what do i know?
i don't know why i want this to happen. but i do.
and not chippendale dudes dancing on stage either. i want chicks to have regular dudes on stage. no six packs.
i was mad once. this chick told me she went to a strip club where dudes dance. he was waiting on a tip from her
and she poured ice cubes down his underwear instead of a tip because she was being an ass. as a SC patron, i'm offended.
that's why i want chicks to have more SCs where dudes dance. they need to know that can't ride....
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Right @Deuce?
Girls don't function that way
That's a key factor to the question you asked
Brilliant!
No disrespect to women. If you take any group of people about 10% of them are assholes!
And FWIW I have never heard my straight gal pals say that they were interested in seeing ANY male dancers. Many think that it's gross. Even they like watching female strippers more then male stripper. Go figure.
the main point i was trying to make with my first post is........it seems like (generally speaking) that women care less about physical appearance than guys do. a guy can be short, and not the best looking physically........but if he's confident, charming, funny........he can pick up/attract women who are very attractive on most guys scales. this is why you often see average looking dudes with a beautiful woman on their arm
now that's not to say that SOME girls can't be picky about a guys physical appearance and strongly desire a really good looking guy..........but MOST girls don't seem to care about a guys looks nearly as much as guys do when it comes to how a woman looks.
just my opinion
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Most of what you say, @Vikings, is an outdated social mores. In the "Mad Men" era, men were bread winners and women depended on being pretty to to marry a rich guy. As more and more parity enters the workforce, you'll see women looking for physically attractive guys, because they're no longer dependent on men as breadwinners.
I think part of it is that the female body is downright beautiful and gets us horny just looking at it.
Most guys just arent. We're hairy slobs.
Many of the guys that take that much of an interest in their appearance to look good enough to turn straight chick's on are gay. And that spoils the fantasy.
IMO, women just haven't had 'a tradition' of it yet. Kinda like outta sight, outta mind. If there were multiple establishments with male dancers the way we dudes have multiple locations of female dancers, women would attend more, I believe and it would get passed down generations. Then it would become normal in a century or two. The WNBA was unthinkable 50 years ago. But it's here now. Does it have the greatest fanfare? No. But it's here and future generations are and will grow up with it and attend in the future. There are folks who have family members in the WNBA who attend it for that reason.
Think about it. As dudes, you and I have way more opportunities to see women dancers. Our venues are open nightly year round in different locations. We can also end all that tomorrow. One place in Canada went down from several dozens of stripclubs to just over a dozen in a decade.
Women don't have all the locations of male revue clubs that we dudes enjoy. Their male revues are maybe once a week at a weird location. If we had that, how often would we go? Like doesn't the state of Vermont have only one strip club where chicks dance--in the whole state? How many dudes don't go to the strippies in Vermont because it's too far away for them or screws their schedule up or closes too early since there's only 1 strip club.
Earlier this year I had free passes to a strip club where girls were dancing. When I got there there were scores of women in the crowd still in their work clothes, partying. They were tipping the ladies. So, don't tell me women can see guys for free at the club, they won't pay for it--women can see their own nude bodies, why tip another chick? I was amazed how many women were in the crowd. It was practically 50/50 of men and women in the crowd at this strip club. Maybe they got free passes too. But the women were drinking, partying, screaming and tipping.
Going to strip clubs is about fantasy and power among other things. And why wouldn't women attend strip clubs where chicks are onstage--there's more of those around that women can get to then there are of men on stage. Don't women attend these male reviews when there's a bachelorette party?
how many single women are out there? women are doing better in the workforce today and have money to spend. i think the catch should be to not put all pretty boys on stage. mix it up with real regular guys, even overweight but can move. it's a show. if it was availiable more, women would go. especially with alcohol served.
this is not a new idea. folks just haven't pushed it far enough, IMO. folks don't see the potential.
how much support do women give for crappy boy bands? n'sync, o-town, backstreet boys, one direction. one direction is on stage just singing and they're filling arenas.
i'm not buying that women can't be swayed to see men on stage. folks just haven't pushed the idea far enough.
https://www.tuscl.net/club.php?id=3415
there's 1 strip club in Vermont. Put 4 more there and watch people come. Otherwise, outta sight, outta mind.
again, 50 years ago, the WNBA was unthinkable. It's here now with about 12 different teams. it may not be here forever, but you gotta create a need sometimes.
we're spoiled because we as dudes have so many strip clubs and we've been conditioned to support it. america didn't always have over 3,000 stripclubs as it does today.
you have to create a need. market it. convince people to support it. people will support anything.
i'm willing to bet that 1 male strip club is handled in one specific way without maximizing its potential.
we could have a female president soon. so it's time to put some male strip clubs out there in a 21st century business model. and don't just put pretty boys on stage. you gotta condition these women with money out here to pay and to accept all types of dudes. ugly and fat ones too. i'd put them all on stage--but they gotta know how to dance--that's the key. that's the pass women'll give you. now that's some real pimpin. get these chicks out here to spend paycheks on all of us dudes while we got our ass in their face.
we've been spending our paychecks on women in stripclubs for more than a century. we need to reverse this pimpin. especially if they're servin alcohol and playing music, a tipsy chick and her money will soon part.
1. Women not socialized for decontextualized sexual fantasies. So stripping for women is always story oriented and very watered down. Women not accustomed to just pure voyeuristic pleasures.
2. Women are shitty tippers. Hard to earn a living by stripping for women, even with OTC. So most male strippers end up having to service men.
3. Of the women who have learned about voyeurism, they often like to go to the gay male strip clubs. There they can enjoy like the way men enjoy women strippers.
SJG
male revues may get bad reviews and/or may not do too well for a simple reason: not enough practice!!
check this out: my favorite strip club where chicks dance is open 7 days a week all year long. those dancers are well-practiced because they do this nightly. male revues aren't open with that same frequency. not enough practice.
not only is nightly practice important, but nightly discoveries are too. when you work every night like some SCs do, club owners discover things like what works best and what doesn't. they get to amend mistakes nightly and learn from them. but there aren't enough male revues, aren't enough male strip clubs with consistency for nightly discoveries to make better profits.
we've all seen a new girl go from weak lapdances to badass lapdances in a matter of months. how? why? nightly practice. male revues don't have that luxury to build on what doesn't work.
remember: as men, we've been conditioned and raised to know that women dancing on stage at strip clubs exist for us. women have been raised to know that generally males dancing on stage for them kinda don't exist.
again, have you seen these boy bands: n'sync, one direction, new kids on the block do a show? these dudes fill arenas with chicks. and they have clothes on. women will spend money to see men on stage. you just have to market it right.
i'm just asking why hasn't anyone marketed it right?
as dudes, we see strip clubs in our tv shows: married with children, the simpsons, family guy, you name it there's at least one strip club scene of a woman dancing on stage. you rarely see a man dancing on stage for women (they did do that on MWC tho). you have to condition women that it's possible and ok. and they'll put money on it. otherwise, outta sight, outta mind.
I was very surprised by this. But if a young sexual freak like her doesn't want to watch men dancing nude then I bet the vast majority of women aren't interested either. Based upon the very small number of male strip club places, it looks like most women feel the same.
this whole thing came up for me when i realized one day that really, no adult chick in america up until retirement age let's say should be broke or unemployed ever, technically. why? every chick could technically work at a strip club. they can. may not make a million dollars or get a lot of love, but every american chick has that option to make a few dollars taking off their clothes at generally any stripclub--even if they only work one night ever in their life. put it this way: in every woman's lifetime, there is at least one period of time she could've worked at a strip club whether she wanted to or not. nobody would stop her. period. but this is not true for men.
we dudes do not have that luxury. why not? we could. we should. whether we want it, need it or use it or not. every human above the age of 18 until 60 or so should have that opportunity to make a few bucks dancing naked on stage. that should be a human given to all. now you can argue men can dance on stage naked at gay clubs. but women can dance naked on stage at gay or straight clubs. so i'm asking why can't we men have that too--dance at straight clubs? i don't want to hear excuses of women are visual, blah, blah, technically every human above the age of 18 until 60 should be able to.
and i hear you johnsmith. folks will come in here and say, i've asked my lady and she's not interested. of course she isn't.
50 years ago, nobody was interested in a WNBA. 50 years ago, no many was seriously interested in black president. 50 years ago not many were interested in a female president. who's interested right now in a tranny president or gay president?
but the WNBA is here now. a black dude is president now. a woman could be president by the end of this year. and people will live with it. future generations will be a part of it. you can create a need. but out of sight, out of mind is very powerful. people can't see there is no lid covering their jar. you just have to market it right.
women aren't used to the idea. but really, men would eventually be better at stripping than women. we're creative. who coaches them to be sexy on camera for pornos? who have set up strip clubs for women to be sexy and profitable? who coaches them how to do a lapdance?
this is all just a thought / just something to discuss. i've just always not understood this.
i see so many homeless men. i see unemployed dudes out here. and i think, damn, women are lucky. whether they want it or not, they can walk into any strip club, fuck a background check, fuck a job application, and walk out with cash at the end of the night and pay a bill or at least sleep on a bed in a $55 dollar hotel that night. while dudes go hungry and sleep on the streets. this should be available for every human above 18 to at least have the opportunity to dance on stage for some bucks--without having experience, without being sexy, without wanting a future in it, because chicks have it that way.
i'm just saying...
But they don't tip! At least not much.
The women who do like to look at naked men like to do it at the gay male clubs. There, I have read, the men just stand there and stroke their cocks. One writer described it as a horse show.
So yes, there is a market, but this would be one woman in the club for every 40 gay men.
So if a man wants to strip for women, and he wants to be able to pay his bills, then he is probably going to be spending most of his time servicing men. And then the same for the club, it will be pitched at gay men.
Women are just not accustomed to the idea of using their wallets to get fucked. They just don't think that way.
In Mexico, I have read, and it is in Tennessee Williams's "Night of the Iguana", men who service women. Not strip clubs, but definitely servicing women. But this is also because in Mexico female prostitution is a prevalent as possible. In a general audience travel book they said that Mexicans cannot understand American no-touching clubs. In Mexico if they like a stripper the first thing they do is kiss her. Then they have their session rooms.
So because female prostitution is so common, they also have the male.
I saw in a video about prostitution in Ancient Rome that it was one male for every four females. And also a male it the peak of his career still only earned about 1/4 what a peak female earned.
SJG
you got a lot of dudes out here dying or incarcerated from the drug trade. they're trying to make some money. not as many women caught up in the drug trade or behind bars for it. women have strip clubs to make that emergency money. not saying SCs with dudes would eliminate the drug trade, but several generations down the line and it may save some souls...but that opportunity isn't there...
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romance? it's not even real. it's a boy band of 4-5 dudes and an arena full of women. these dudes hop from city to city. and it ain't free to see 'em. noting romantic about that. if you have nosebleed seats, you can only see them on the jumbotron the numbers don't add up.
also, folks are forgetting: this has to be a 21st century model. when people hear me say "men dancing for women" in strip clubs, you're picturing removing the women from your favorite strip club. no, no, no. that won't work. you have to leave the strip clubs with female dancers as-is. and create a whole different venue where men dance.
that's why when you bring this up, you'll get a lot of women say they can't picture it working. sure it won't if you just replace women with men. that's not gonna work. you have to create a whole different type of venue scenario to fit your product. stripper poles, soft lighting, etc, leave that for female dancers. come up with something different for male dancers and you're on to something.
people will pay for anything. stop believing other BS. lol. it's entertainment.
again, earlier this year, i got free passes to a strip club where women danced on stage. to my surprise there were a lot of other women in the audience. actually quite a few older women were tipping these young millennial women dancing on stage. and i realized: it's all entertainment. it's fun. people will spend money on anything. it's fantasy, it's power. it's sexy. it's different. it's opportunity there to make money if you market it right.
we pay younger people to play professional sports. i'm in my 40s, paying top dollar to watch 20 year olds score a touchdown, hit a home run, dunk a ball. it's ridiculous. people will pay for anything. market it right and people will enjoy it.
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I just don't see many women looking at sex that way, not the heterosexual women. Their fantasies are just more involved, they have not signed on to the idea of decontextualized sex. Those that have, they are strippers or hookers themselves, giving guys what they want and raking in money.
To get it to work the way you want, where women are paying for it, I think you would have to have a matriarchal or matrilineal society.
I've seen reference to things like this pertaining to Polynesia, a Queen, fattened up to over 400lb, with a court to service her. Then you will have women following that example, using their money to get guys into subservient roles.
Maybe it is in here, its in one of Gabriel Garcia Marquez's stories. Latin America, aristocratic household.
https://www.amazon.com/Innocent-Erendira…
Anyway, the woman just wants to be fucked and fucked and fucked. So each night she goes out to a place near the town square, and just like a prostitute, offers herself.
But as she is getting older and fatter, eventually she does not get any more takers. So she goes to the place where the men offer themselves, usually Black. And she pays to get serviced.
More women like that, if our culture was like that, then you'd have lots of men working in strip clubs and servicing women.
I for one would not want to live in a Matriarchal Society. Though I find problems with Patriarchy, I still would not want to live under Matriarchy. Too many realms where it is already like that, as far as I can see.
Local guy I had met. Was in the military, back when Moffett Field was still a Navy base. Body builder too. Once a week he went to a bar that had this male strippers night. Women, mostly young, getting silly, often grabbing him and kissing him.
I don't think though that he really made enough money to make a career out of it. Mostly it was just silliness.
SJG
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