Indebted to TUSCL

I agree. TUSCL has taught me a lot for the short time I've been clubbing.

Without TUSCL, I never would have learned how to pay prostitutes for sex.

Many PL heads are better than one - the power of PL-networking.

Almost seems you were beating around the bush & "casually" dropped the rent thing at the end - are you saying you paid/are -paying her rent?

I wouldn't say beating around the bush, but lately I have seen alot of things come to light.

Im debating if I should help her out. She hasn't outright asked me, but has mentioned she is stressing about rent. Of course it'll be under the terms of something in return, but my little PL heart feels for her. I know she may have or makes bad choices, but man her having kids make me even more weaker towards her situation.

If you recall I mentioned being at a strippers place an just cuddling, but for free. So, yeah she's hooking me. Hopefully, their is some non stripper instincts motivating her.

Oh and if you have a strippers address and want to know a ball park figure for her rent, I'm guessing this site is just for apartments, it's padmapper.com

Oh and this is the same stripper that prompted my cell phone for dancer question, but I've concluded I wont play into that any kind of way.

IMHO your heart is in the right place but now your head (the big one) - dude, I don't think you can fix that situation & I feel it will end-up affecting you negatively - but, I def don't have a crystal ball but you started w/ a ph & now talking about rent - I've seen this movie before

^ your heart is in the right place but not your head

I paid $29.95 for my copy of The System and it has made a monumental change in my ability to pay hookers for sex.

Truly indebted.

The phone idea completely came as my idea, but some things just aren't adding up in her situation so thats why I backed off that matter.

So we were just messaging through Facebook, then she gives me a number and we start texting. She calls me from this number the day I go over. I notice a nice smartphone and also some piece of shit (looks like a toy) phone that she texted/called me from. I think the smartphone is her friends, but I'm unsure.

So days pass and I see her in the club. She shows me this nice smartphone (appears to be the same one I saw) and said something like I got my phone back. So I'm like why Facebook. She says that's how she communicates with everyone. I try to see if the phone has signal, but couldn't tell. So at this point I decided fuck funding some phone.

I can't for the life of me figure out her true phone situation, but hey I use a burner app so I guess I can't be too judgemental.

Listen Chilly Chill.

If you've read everything on here you wouldn't be messginn strippers on Facebook and thinking of buying phones. Be cold, ice cold, don't be a slave to that pussy.

Leave being a douche to guys like Larryfish.

Where's there's smoke there's fire - if things don't add-up it's for a reason - I may be reading your intentions incorrectly but I take it as you sincerely wanting to help her out w/ no strings attached and I suspect you may be getting emotionally vested in her situation whether you're conscious of it or not - if this is the case & things don't add up this early-on you are just gonna get in deeper in her dysfunctional web.

If what you're doing is part of a P4P situation then that is different but I suspect it's the former and I think it won't turn out well.

I'm by no means an expert and new to navigating these waters myself. That said, I wouldn't even consider paying rent unless you are already tapping that pussy and have done so at least a few times.

I think you need to know that she's definitely open to that and have some level of trust with her before prepaying a month's rent. I could be wrong, but I'm reading through the lines that you haven't slept with her yet. If that's the case, you could wind up paying her rent and get nothing in return. Just my 2 cents. Keep us posted and good luck.

^ it can be worse, he pays the rent & some roughneck gets to fuck her for free in the apt Ch3 is paying for - ouch

I paid $29.95 for my copy of The System and it has made a monumental change in my ability to pay hookers for sex.

Truly indebted.

Without TUSCL, I never would have learned how to pay prostitutes for sex.

Lol...amen

In stripper bizarro-world one actually needs to put the wagon ahead of the horse - get that pussy then help her out that way she has some skin in the game - if you are not tapping that puss IMO good chance someone is

You guys are so lucky to have the internet and the system. I had had to figure it out the old fashioned way.

Honk honk You looking for a date? How much? What do you want? A blowjob. 20 dollars OK hop in

I did hit it once and it was P4P and that was a few weeks ago. So the free cuddling has thrown me off.

Some do eventually give in to P4P, because when I first met her it was she didn't get down like that.

That's good then. It sounds like you really like her and since she's putting out too, I'd consider the rent arrangement. I'd just be clear with her what the arrangement will be, so you are both on the same page and there is no confusion down the road.

Also, be prepared for her possibly asking for more, or something else, in addition to the rent at some point. Hopefully that won't happen, but if it does, just know your limits and draw the line when you have to. If you draw the line at some point, she'll realize she's risking losing all of your support if she keeps pushing you. Some girls are bigger hustlers than others. Best of luck.

I'm starting a GoFundMe page. Contributions will be gladly accepted. :)

man. i wish i found tuscl when i first started clubin five years ago. definitely would have given me a huge saving of money. especially in las vegas.

Hey Vince don't take wooden nickels they jam up the coin slot.

TUSCL has been great for me too.
Really enhanced my experiences at the club.

Thanks, twentyfive. Like others here, TUSCL has been a great help over the years while clubbing in the USA, Thanks, founder.

I think you're insane for considering paying her rent, or trying to do so with an arrangement, when you've got that bizarre unexplainable phone situation (it makes no sense, which means she's lying). Her rent is due? Great, let's do a p4p... and hey, if she comes through big time, you can even tip her an extra couple of hundred. I personally would NOT try an arrangement until you know her pretty well, you have a reliable way of communicating with her, etc.

To me, something papi said above is one of the things that helps me gain some perspective. 100% chance some guy -- probably one who doesn't treat her very nicely, and who certainly doesn't pay her for rent -- is fucking her. So, you can pay her rent for her, so that guy can come over and fuck her for free, in the apartment you paid for. Or, you can get your head on straight. It's one thing if it's quid-pro-blow -- an arrangement or other p4p -- completely another if you're gifting her because she's pulling at your heartstrings

I assume most strippers don't go w/o dick too long

I don't doubt the chick may be in a tough spot & needs help & it's the right thing to do to help people if one is able to, but strippers & strip-clubs are bizarro-world where more often than not no good deed shall go unpunished - i.e. being a nice-guy in stripper/strip-club bizarro-world means you often get taken advantage of

@Papi, Shai, Subraman, and anybody else I missed

Y'all are right. I'm getting too emotionally attached to even consider paying, helping with her rent. I definitely dont feel she's 100℅ with me.

Pay Rent? For Who? For what? WTF y'all thinking? If I was ever thinking of paying some rando chicks rent, I would check some internet porn vid, rub one out, and then think about if I needed to do any of that shit. I doubt you would still feel the same way. Rent? For who?

I help dancers with their rent all of the time. I just do it $10 at a time. :)

That's the way, shadowcat !!

Once you weed thru some of the bullshit here there is a lot of goodointel to be had, especially for those traveling and looking for insight into club info out of their area.

I agree that the safe thing to do is just say no, but then you are back to square one.

I look at this a little differently.

1. He's already fucked her once. Let's assume that she's a hot ass stripper. That's worth at least $250 or $300. Plus, he's hung out with her off the clock for free at her place, so she feels comfortable enough to have him as a guest. All this leads me to believe this has potential for an ongoing arrangement.

2. We're talking about rent in Tucson, not New York City or San Francisco. Let's just say her rent is about $800 per month and he's hitting it once a week. Seems like a pretty good deal to me if she's hot and he likes her.

3. Yes, there are some trust issues. The phone lie is a red flag for sure. Also, he has only slept with her once and hasn't known her very long.

4. Pay per meet would be the best way to go, but if he pays her rent on the 1st and sleeps with her on the 1st, he's basically prepaying for 3 weeks. Not ideal, but possibly a reasonable risk if he's already fucking her and hanging out at her house, and has no reason to believe she'll ghost him. Fuck, he knows where she lives, so I'd be pretty surprised if she ghosted him, but you never know.

5. Regardless, whether it's pay per meet, paying her rent, or whatever, you have to assume these girls are fucking other guys. You can't let that cloud your judgment unless you are looking for a wife, in which case you are looking in the wrong place. Just be happy you are in the rotation and hopefully she's only screwing one or two other guys.

6. Finally, sure, you can just jerk off to internet porn and save money, but come on dude, we're not in fucking high school anymore. He found a hot ass stripper in the club who is willing to fuck him OTC. Why not invest a small amount (3 weeks advance) and give it a try. The alternative is (if she won't see him pay per meet), he's going back to the strip club, spending hundreds or thousands until he lands another OTC candidate.

Anyway, that's my contrarian view. I think it would be an easier "no" if he wasn't fucking her and hanging out at her house, but he is.

TG I guarantee if he pays her rent she is still going to ask him for money every time he gets with her. You are incredibly naive if you think a stripper will honor an agreement. One thing you can be sure of is that there will be ongoing drama with her being short for every bill and a different one every day. If it were me I'd stick to P4P straight up because I don't ever see this ending well.

You are probably right 25. At some point, the ongoing drama will outweigh the joy of fucking her. Maybe he'll be sick of it after a month and then on to the next one...

TG - if it was a straight-up P4P thing then no problem, but I read it as him wanting to help her rather than angling for a P4P thing off the bat, and him trying to be a Capt Save-a-Ho is what's gonna get him in trouble IMHO - at best I read it as him maybe hoping she'll reward his actions w/ some voluntary pussy but good chance that won't happen IMO if he leaves it up to her (not to say that there may be another dude in the picture that she considers "her man" that Ch3 would have a hard time knowing about) .

It's a very risky investment IMO w/ a very high-risk of failure and a very low possibility of success (assuming this is not a straight up P4P thing which is not how I read it)

Yeah you're right Papi. I do want to help and maybe get something in return. The cell phone coming from me I would have (thank goodness I didn't) done and really not expected something in return. Now rent, yes, Im going to want it to be p4p. The more I think about it, I don't know her that well to be loaning rent money.

Wow, you dodged a bullet not getting her that burner phone! it's a relief to know that you're getting off easy just paying her rent. :-)

The only risk I can see is that she is evicted 3 days after you cover it and the landlord keeps it as a deposit because her boyfriend punched through the wall because he found out that she cuddled with some guy who paid her rent. The landlord at the new place she has found will probably be much more reasonable, though, but obviously under the circumstances would be looking for both the first and last months' rent before she can move in.

I agree. I'm indebted to Tuscl, too. :) I need to submit some of my back reviews, to at least make more of a effort to contribute. This is a great thread.

There's a lot of experience here. And a lot of good 'advice'. But it says let's have fun, do not get personally involved, and keep your head on straight. Do not confuse "clubbing with" lifestyle".

Update.

All this occurs Sat. - Sun.

Sat. I gave the hint to the stripper with rent issue that I might be in town so we should get together. She pretty much said okay and that was it. Later, I text that I am in her town doing this and that. She responded, but we never discussed setting up something to meet.

So, I do end up SCing Sat. night and still nothing from the stripper with rent issues. At the SC I visit I end up getting offered OTC from a stripper I've engaged about OTC twice but she never followed through. So we agree to terms, we leave the club, and OTC!

Only time will tell, but this OTC girl seems to be a likely repeat. Everything went smooth and was enjoyed. Yeah, some OTC probably could have been setup with stripper with rent issues, but it didn't seem she was angling at it that way. More of a you just help me out. Thanks to all for helping me get my mind right, because in the end I found a new OTC stripper.

Glad it worked out for you, just goes to show you she ain't special you did it exactly right.

Goosman FTW, he's the smartest one in this thread. Gonna pay some chix rent cuz she lets you pay her to get off? Fuck outta here, it's business, not a soap opera.