Has anyone tried or had any luck with any of the arrangement/sugardaddy sites like Arrangement Finder or Seeking Arrangements? That might be the direction I want to go, but I feel like those sites could be used for blackmail and extortion from the second I sign up.
My own feelings about such things is that it is better to have f2f first meetings. So just like Rick Dugan does with his System, one just goes to strip clubs and gets to know the girls. Then things can be made to work out.
I have a friend who has made several strippers rich and he got fed up with the drama, drugs, and deceit ( the 3 D's) so he went to Arrangement Finder. He met the woman at a restaurant and they worked out arrangements ($3,000 on the first of the month, sex at her house once a week plus two other times at his discretion). He's sent me pics and she's a 32 y.o. Slim blonde who is very attractive. She owns her home and has a full time job but was having trouble keeping up with her bills. He says she's very compliant, hasn't said no to anything he's looked to do and there's no drama. He swears it's a much better deal than what he's had from strippers.
He was a regular OTC customer with my ATF ( that's how I met him) and was VERY generous. I know he maintains contact with my ATF and he was really tight with another stripper who at age 27 could pass for 15. She beat her heroin habit and dropped him, saying that he didn't like her sober; only wanted her slumped over drooling. His story is different. My ATF says for a guy in his late 60's he's in very good physical condition and he's got very deep pockets.
AMP girls tried to set me up with such an arrangement, always to be meeting at their own homes. Better to help them pay their mortgage, than to help a girl buy drugs or otherwise squander money. But I knew them from f2f first meetings. And their onsite auditions were second to none.
But I was married, and I knew that was not a line I should cross.
Also, at that age, if not married, I don't think I would have much interest in paying out money to women.
Clarification, at that age I was not yet accustomed to the idea of paying women money, except like in AMPs.
I could go out with civvies. Or I would have been able to if not married.
But I was not yet comfortable with the idea that it can be just easier to pay them, than to deal with the emotional drama as they try to force it to go to marriage.
So now I could go out with civvies. But, where does it lead?
Still not really interested in straight P4P, beyond first time. Rather, will be setting up some Mistresses.
Looking at having mistresses in cities away from home, and beyond my normal range. That is, in my normal range I'll have other arrangements. But to keep women available to me, like in Mexico, or in places outside my normal range, the money, handled tactfully so that they aren't being made into hookers, should really help.
EazyG if you're willing to take the time it can be worth the effort.
I have messed around in the past but gave up for various reasons.
Here's what I found (the types of girls):
1. Type A - wanting an insane amount of money, a lot of demands and restrictions. You can generally pick these girls out pretty quick because they have been registered on the site for 3 years and still log in every single day claiming they have had many sugardaddies but they probably have had zero. I ran from girls like this.
2. Type B - A more subdued version of Type A that have realistic expectations and reasonable demands. Get to know them, be nice and hopefully you two can work out an arrangement. I jogged away from girls like this.
3. Type C - A girl who truly doesn't know her worth, and just wants a guy with some money to take her out on a nice date, and too shy or embarrassed to give out demands, but will hints at her needs. I liked some girls like this.
4. Type D - The married or attached girl - ones that just want a date somewhere nice and sex. These girls are extremely rare and hard to find. I would run towards these girls.
5. Type E - An escort/hooker masquerading as a sugar baby. Their prices are high end to low end, depending on the girl. I also ran away from these girls as well.
shailynn --> "4. Type D - The married or attached girl - ones that just want a date somewhere nice and sex. These girls are extremely rare and hard to find. I would run towards these girls" --> end quote shailynn
^^^ I would imagine these are more common now that Ashley Madison had the big data leak a little while back. So the clientele might have moved on. Interesting.
Shailynn brought up great points. My experiences with seeking arrangements were mixed at best. Out of the 12 or so women I met on SA there was only one real "keeper". Saw her for a little over two years. There was no way the others could have blackmailed me, so I don't know how you became worried about that. IME though, by far, I've had the best success just hitting the strip clubs. You get to pick and choose who you want. Of course, I'm in Detroit, which reading these board posts, I now realize is not the typical city for stripper experiences OTC. My current girl I'm seeing from a strip club, well I met her after a SA girl was a no show for a dinner meet. Went into a club in Dearborn mi, and the rest has been great two years later
I've joined not too long ago, and have met a couple of potential SBs so far. First one was perfect personality-wise, but definitely didn't make the grade looks-wise. I was on the fence about the looks of the second one I'd say she was a 7 or 7.5, but no way I could deal with her personality. Meeting a third this weekend.
A few things I"ve noticed, and had confirmed by guys who have been doing this a long time:
- A lot of the girls who have been there any length of time, are a bit jaded over the men. The word "time-waster" is a mantra they all must repeat in their sleep. Apparently a huge number of men just go on dates and then try to turn it into a regular for-free relationship. I think you need to NOT get insulted by the fact that they have their defenses up a bit, it's not personal, you just gotta get through it.
- Once you start emailing a girl, suggest a meet, and meet her within a few days. If the meet is more than a few days out, she may blow you off. If you cancel a meet, she'll blow you off. This is probably related to the point above -- they suspect "time wasters" everywhere, and you need to take some action to prove you're not a time-waster, and do so pretty quickly. The girls are not at all interested in emailing back and forth for very long
I've had good and bad luck on seekingarrangement.com.
-always meet in public first.
-never pay someone an entire month's allowance up front. Always do a by the meeting arrangement.Some girls won't go for it, avoid them like the plague.
-avoid avoid avoid any girls on there who have been on the the website for much more than a year. They are the scammers,vulchers and pros.
-Some of my best meets have been with women whose ads mention they are just seperated or divorced. They aren't just looking for money, they are often horny too. Married women are I assume the same, but that's just not for me.
-dont' be afraid to call it off if you meet the girl and it doesn't feel right. Trust your spidey senses they don't lie.
-avoid the girls that look like princesses and try to have glamour pics. Look for ads where the girls look good, but have normal everyday life type picturses. Avoid the ads with pics that look like they were done in a photo shoot. Those ads usually equal=scammers or money grubbing vulchers.
Summer arrangement was with an Asian babe, an econ student from top-ten school. Slender, beautiful, smart, perfect hair and skin, cross-country runner in high school. Slender b-cup, perfect ass. Someone I could really fall for if the age difference was not so insane. She left out-of-state for her senior year.
Current arrangement is another Asian babe, slightly older (24), grad student and triathlete. She's competed in major marathons. Undergrad at our best state university. She's pretty and curvy with terrific muscle tone, not the kind of stick-figure you might imagine for a competitive distance runner.
My strategy: Keep the initial messaging very simple. If you find someone you like, give your cell number immediately and meet at Starbucks without wasting time with meaningless back-and-forth exchanges. For meet@greets, we order drinks and do some walking. There's something about walking that stirs up the endorphins and makes for a fun, informal, meeting.
Dancers can also make terrific SBs. Problem is that the stripper culture of drugs, alcohol, abuse, and misogyny eventually takes it's toll. Strippers caught in the lifestyle eventually become angry and manipulative with men -- and with good reason. With SA, it's possible to find beautiful girls who have a positive outlook and sweetness that most of us are looking for (no, not you @Dugan).
^^^I've definitely ended up in arrangement-ish relationships with strippers. But, I think you've captured the problems. Plus, there's the everyday stripper behavior we all know and love: she's usually late, she sometimes doesn't show at all, in either case it's a crapshoot as to whether she'll bother to text you to let you know, she may go hours or days before answering your texts, etc. I'm on SA specifically because I'm hoping to find someone with near stripper-level sexiness, but with civilian-style sensibilities and lack of damage (well, as much lack of damage as possible, given that SBs are also in the sex industry, whether they admit it or not)..
bman77-->-always meet in public first.
-never pay someone an entire month's allowance up front. Always do a by the meeting arrangement.Some girls won't go for it, avoid them like the plague ------> end of bman77 quote
Ya... I don't exactly have enough experience to be giving advice, but what I'm doing right now:
1. We meet in public first, for DRINKS. I don't do coffee first meetings, I don't do skype or phone calls. So far, every girl I've spoken with is fine on this.
2. That first meeting is free (though note it's just a meet & greet, no sex... if we spontaneously ended up in a hotel room having sex, I'd pay her). A good number of girls expect a payment just for showing up for that initial meeting. But I feel like there's exactly equal risk both ways -- the girls risk that I'll be a "time waster" who is just after a free date, I risk that they won't look as good as their pics (which they never do). I will not pay up front, period. So far I"ve run into exactly 1 girl for whom that's a deal-killer, everyone else is fine.
3. When we talk about the arrangement, I always propose "let's do per-meeting for the first few times, until we both know this is what we want, then we can talk about switching to monthly allowance". Every girl I've spoken with so far is ok with this, and two have even suggested it before I could.
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He was a regular OTC customer with my ATF ( that's how I met him) and was VERY generous. I know he maintains contact with my ATF and he was really tight with another stripper who at age 27 could pass for 15. She beat her heroin habit and dropped him, saying that he didn't like her sober; only wanted her slumped over drooling. His story is different. My ATF says for a guy in his late 60's he's in very good physical condition and he's got very deep pockets.
But I was married, and I knew that was not a line I should cross.
Also, at that age, if not married, I don't think I would have much interest in paying out money to women.
SJG
I could go out with civvies. Or I would have been able to if not married.
But I was not yet comfortable with the idea that it can be just easier to pay them, than to deal with the emotional drama as they try to force it to go to marriage.
So now I could go out with civvies. But, where does it lead?
Still not really interested in straight P4P, beyond first time. Rather, will be setting up some Mistresses.
SJG
Looking at having mistresses in cities away from home, and beyond my normal range. That is, in my normal range I'll have other arrangements. But to keep women available to me, like in Mexico, or in places outside my normal range, the money, handled tactfully so that they aren't being made into hookers, should really help.
SJG
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I have messed around in the past but gave up for various reasons.
Here's what I found (the types of girls):
1. Type A - wanting an insane amount of money, a lot of demands and restrictions. You can generally pick these girls out pretty quick because they have been registered on the site for 3 years and still log in every single day claiming they have had many sugardaddies but they probably have had zero. I ran from girls like this.
2. Type B - A more subdued version of Type A that have realistic expectations and reasonable demands. Get to know them, be nice and hopefully you two can work out an arrangement. I jogged away from girls like this.
3. Type C - A girl who truly doesn't know her worth, and just wants a guy with some money to take her out on a nice date, and too shy or embarrassed to give out demands, but will hints at her needs. I liked some girls like this.
4. Type D - The married or attached girl - ones that just want a date somewhere nice and sex. These girls are extremely rare and hard to find. I would run towards these girls.
5. Type E - An escort/hooker masquerading as a sugar baby. Their prices are high end to low end, depending on the girl. I also ran away from these girls as well.
^^^ I would imagine these are more common now that Ashley Madison had the big data leak a little while back. So the clientele might have moved on. Interesting.
A few things I"ve noticed, and had confirmed by guys who have been doing this a long time:
- A lot of the girls who have been there any length of time, are a bit jaded over the men. The word "time-waster" is a mantra they all must repeat in their sleep. Apparently a huge number of men just go on dates and then try to turn it into a regular for-free relationship. I think you need to NOT get insulted by the fact that they have their defenses up a bit, it's not personal, you just gotta get through it.
- Once you start emailing a girl, suggest a meet, and meet her within a few days. If the meet is more than a few days out, she may blow you off. If you cancel a meet, she'll blow you off. This is probably related to the point above -- they suspect "time wasters" everywhere, and you need to take some action to prove you're not a time-waster, and do so pretty quickly. The girls are not at all interested in emailing back and forth for very long
-always meet in public first.
-never pay someone an entire month's allowance up front. Always do a by the meeting arrangement.Some girls won't go for it, avoid them like the plague.
-avoid avoid avoid any girls on there who have been on the the website for much more than a year. They are the scammers,vulchers and pros.
-Some of my best meets have been with women whose ads mention they are just seperated or divorced. They aren't just looking for money, they are often horny too. Married women are I assume the same, but that's just not for me.
-dont' be afraid to call it off if you meet the girl and it doesn't feel right. Trust your spidey senses they don't lie.
-avoid the girls that look like princesses and try to have glamour pics. Look for ads where the girls look good, but have normal everyday life type picturses. Avoid the ads with pics that look like they were done in a photo shoot. Those ads usually equal=scammers or money grubbing vulchers.
Summer arrangement was with an Asian babe, an econ student from top-ten school. Slender, beautiful, smart, perfect hair and skin, cross-country runner in high school. Slender b-cup, perfect ass. Someone I could really fall for if the age difference was not so insane. She left out-of-state for her senior year.
Current arrangement is another Asian babe, slightly older (24), grad student and triathlete. She's competed in major marathons. Undergrad at our best state university. She's pretty and curvy with terrific muscle tone, not the kind of stick-figure you might imagine for a competitive distance runner.
My strategy: Keep the initial messaging very simple. If you find someone you like, give your cell number immediately and meet at Starbucks without wasting time with meaningless back-and-forth exchanges. For meet@greets, we order drinks and do some walking. There's something about walking that stirs up the endorphins and makes for a fun, informal, meeting.
Dancers can also make terrific SBs. Problem is that the stripper culture of drugs, alcohol, abuse, and misogyny eventually takes it's toll. Strippers caught in the lifestyle eventually become angry and manipulative with men -- and with good reason. With SA, it's possible to find beautiful girls who have a positive outlook and sweetness that most of us are looking for (no, not you @Dugan).
-never pay someone an entire month's allowance up front. Always do a by the meeting arrangement.Some girls won't go for it, avoid them like the plague ------> end of bman77 quote
Ya... I don't exactly have enough experience to be giving advice, but what I'm doing right now:
1. We meet in public first, for DRINKS. I don't do coffee first meetings, I don't do skype or phone calls. So far, every girl I've spoken with is fine on this.
2. That first meeting is free (though note it's just a meet & greet, no sex... if we spontaneously ended up in a hotel room having sex, I'd pay her). A good number of girls expect a payment just for showing up for that initial meeting. But I feel like there's exactly equal risk both ways -- the girls risk that I'll be a "time waster" who is just after a free date, I risk that they won't look as good as their pics (which they never do). I will not pay up front, period. So far I"ve run into exactly 1 girl for whom that's a deal-killer, everyone else is fine.
3. When we talk about the arrangement, I always propose "let's do per-meeting for the first few times, until we both know this is what we want, then we can talk about switching to monthly allowance". Every girl I've spoken with so far is ok with this, and two have even suggested it before I could.