Old Men
RyanWilliams64
Ohio
I wonder how strippers manage to deal with old men. I mean, I'm 52 - no matter how good I might be in intimate situations it would hard to imagine someone age 20 or 30 enjoying that. Maybe its just a necessary evil - just a job - I do things at my job that I don't enjoy too but that's why I get paid (since no one would do them for free). Comments from strippers here? And how old is the oldest you deal with?
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SJG
Everyone does what they need to do to make a living - plus women seem to be able to put looks aside more easily than men can (much more common to see younger women marry older men than the other way around).
I'm sure many strippers have trouble doing it - but it's not really apples-to-apples when seeing it from a woman's vs a man's POV; IMO
/// Men are very visual and are aroused by attractive women who behave in an overtly sensual or sexual manner. If she doesn't "look good" sex is not what a man considers when meeting a woman. But if a woman is visually stimulating, men will overlook atmosphere, environment, her lack of education, even her mental health. Men desire immediacy, action and active stimulation of our sexual organs.
Women are into mind games and are aroused by mental images more than visual. Women have a more mental connection to sexual fulfillment than men. A woman considers conversation, or dinner, or almost anything,. "foreplay" if the "atmosphere is right. It does not particularly matter what a man looks like, it is critically important to a woman, how a man makes her, "feel." Smells are important as well as sounds and "environment." A woman appreciates sensual contact, aural stimulation and play with erogenous zones. To a woman, sex is the culmination of a series of increasingly exciting behaviors, both physical and mental. \\\
I have never figured out what that really means when interacting with any specific civi woman, but I do have a few ideas about strippers. To a stripper, your age is meaningful only in that most young men either do not have the money to spend, or have no idea how to behave (or both). Older men generally compliment strippers, smile more often, spend more, know what they want and are less prone to become hurtfully physical. To a stripper, a few minutes talking with a customer - is foreplay. A customer may not look like Adonis or Mars, but a man with a few Benjamin's is very attractive to a stripper. To a stripper, a positive atmosphere is created by a man's willingness to pay her for her time and attention. To a stripper money smells good and is a mental turn-on.
Bottom line, most strippers find old guys very, very attractive - in the club! Outside the club, they may be more picky, but the same rules apply!
The bottom line is they are in it for the money, and older guys both have money to spend and are often more free with said money.A lot of the older guys value company and conversation a lot more than the younger guys. I think strippers on the whole have a harder time with guys who smell bad than guys who are old.
If you're giving all these young sex workers multiple orgasms, why bother paying them as much as $1000? Shouldn't they be paying you? And why bother with strip clubs? Just go to your local Starbacks or your local State U. and apply your aging, devilish, charm.
The ATF started out doing it just for the money, though she always said the only reason she eventually said yes at all was because I was respectful about the whole thing, never judged her, and above all, was *still* respectful and spent money on her even when she'd said no so many times.
The MILF liked the way my hands treated her, and the fact that I don't get butthurt when she is chasing a whale (she actually has a few of those) and doesn't sit with me. But she was showing all indications of never, ever giving me more than dances when I decided to take a chance in VIP. In her words, "You just *seduced* me. I kept starting to reach down to push your head away, but my hands just wouldn't listen to me. Then it was too late."
I actually laughed when she used the word "seduced." I am in no way, shape or form any kind of "hot". I'm old, fat and kinda ugly. But her words again, "No, you're not ugly, but none of that makes any difference anyway when that magic tongue of yours does its thing."
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Never forget that ITS THEIR JOB. They are selling themselves. Just like any salesperson they like some of their customers and not others. They are in it for the money, not our looks or sexual prowess.
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My experience with them is that they are just like other young women in that they do hope to establish a long term relationship, and so how they interact with a guy does depend upon how they feel about him. I say this based on dealings strippers, AMP girls, and all manner of civilians, and in noting how consistent they are.
When in strip clubs, girls open up more if they believe the guy has selected them, and that he will be around regularly, even if he is from out of town.
And if you want nice dealings with them you must never treat them like they are people who are just doing things for money.
Dallas702 wrote, "Women are into mind games and are aroused by mental images more than visual...."
This is also my perception. I take it to mean that women want to talk with a guy and relate to him. When working in a P4P environment they set aside their preferences and do what it takes to compete with the others. But their actual preferences remain unchanged. And it is like one posted on SW, saying that she is smarter than 95% of the customers. Women size a guy up by how he talks to them. Often they are just playing dumb when they can see that they are smarter than the guy. They really do like smart guys, and this can compensate for other age issues.
My own perception is that women always try to cast guys into sterotypes, and it take time to get beyond this. But a guy who is just there to ogle women and get drunk, though typical, is not what they want. You can appreciate women, so long as it is not only their looks, and so long as you also really try to converse with them.
And with all due respect, having been on opposite sides of issues like this with Lopaw before, I do not feel that she speaks for heterosexual women.
SJG
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Girls like middle aged white men with big fat wallets! And they like having sex with them because they get off with multiple orgasms and they get paid. So they have fun and get paid with no commitment! It's ideal for the young stripper, she can get married to a fellow in her late 20's or even early 30's and still have a family while sowing her oats in her late teens and early 20's while guys like me get to relive our youth. Perfect score!
Lol!
To be fair, I would have been among the skeptics before my experiences with the ATF and the MILF. I'd like to think I wouldn't have outright *rejected* such claims, but who knows.
Among the counter-arguments:
- I believe nearly every person on this forum who has been SCing for more than 5 years, has at least one stripper-turned-FWB story. I have several. Not quite sure how to possibly spin that to "the stripper is disgusted by you", when she's not even getting paid.
- Nearly every person on this forum has stories of strippers who just plain go above-and-beyond -- for seemingly no other reason than that they're in the moment, despite the fact that it won't change monetary compensation. My longest ever OTC that did not include an overnight, was 10 hours. That girl knew she was going to get the $200 I always pay her, and not a dime more. But she kept wanting to hang out before the sex, and then after the sex, wanted to go back out to party more. This behavior is the rule -- as in, nearly 100% of the time -- not the exception, when it comes to OTCing with my faves. They could be in and out in an hour or two, but instead choose to hang, sometimes for hours, sometimes overnight. No, they wouldn't be there at all if it weren't for the $250 (or whatever), but you don't just choose to hang out for 6 more hours, for free, with someone who disgusts you.
But that's all interactions between ATFs & favorite customers, not random stripper / random old customer interactions, where I think reality is far closer to "she finds it totally unpleasant and just thinks about the money to get her through".
Oh, that and our money... :-D
Female sexuality is complicated.