OTC missteps?

Yes and yes

Yup. 0 for 2 Larry. ;-)

Damn!

Depends on how much you made it rain while at the club

You've got to be kidding

Errr... live and learn.

What hotels use old fashioned keys and not key cards? Duh.

Always assume otc is on the table. She won't be upset if you are wrong.

I have set an alarm when i was expecting a call or text when the club closes. It may be pathetic but I don't miss many opportunities

U blew it, larry, sorry to say my friend. We've all blown it. I've had OTC opportunities I passed up, and I'll always wonder.

You are not the only one Larry. I think a couple of girls at my club dropped hints about OTC, but I did not pick up on it at the time.
Living and learning!

The thing that sucks is that the girl in situation A seems to have dropped off the face of the Earth. I haven't seen her at the club since that night (two months ago). I didn't get her number either. With the girl in situation B, she hasn't been receptive to OTC since then (she might have a boyfriend or something).

@K- that's not a bad idea with the alarm

I think the second for sure. She wasn't calling you at 4 am on her way home from her first stop after the club too check on your health.

The second one is a little more ambiguous. I've had girls ask me which hotel I was staying at without a conversion happening. I always stay in nice places, so that is never the issue. But at the very least you missed a natural lead in to a discussion about OTC.

Wow man. It is like seeing a hitter strike out on straight fast balls thrown right up the middle. You didn't even swing, lol.

We live and we learn I suppose.

^^^Lol

"What hotels use old fashioned keys and not key cards?"

The kind that charge by the hour. She wanted to know if you were staying at a ritzy hotel to see how much she could gouge you for.

The 2nd one was calling you to bail her out of jail or possibly for $300 so she could pay her rent the next day (with the promise of an AMAZING time in VIP next time you visit.

But that's just the skeptic in me.

I think if the girls would have told him "wanna meet outside the club" he still would've not gotten it b/c they didn't say OTC

Yes they both were looking for OTC in one form or the other. I agree. I blew a couple chances like that in my younger days too larry. No sweat you live and learn/

OTC is always on the table, some stronger than others while others strongly blow it. Both could easily lead to the discussion of it, with the second more likely.

You fucked up. But it's ok. We all live and learn. I was probably oblivious to many OTC friendly comments before I learned what was available and started participating.

Some of you are being incredibly brutal. Not everyone's a social savant that's able to see through smoke and mirrors that are present in this sort of environment. I passed through my first few opportunities because I thought to myself - she's just playing the hustle as any stripper would and this only happens in movies.

Of the two situations, it was absolutely available however at 4am the only thing I care about is sleeping.

Larry, if it's any consolation. I turn down dancer OTC p4p requests that are FAR MORE EXPLICIT. haha. :)

what exactly is the point of improving the OTC game. Wouldn't it be more fun and satisfying if you improved your "game", you know the one where you DON'T pay an exorbitant amount of money for sex? I mean, OTC is OTC, what can be so next level about it?

^ tiburan +1

Improving one's OTC game = getting better at paying prostitutes for sex

In 4got's words (or more specifically, word) Brilliant!

LARRY - From now own make my life motto your own and succeed!!!! My motto: "the answer to everything you desire and don't ask for is always no, so you lose absolutely nothing, ever, by asking".

I actually agree with skibum, haha. The unasked question is always a no.

@Tiburon, I am confused. Are you suggesting that improving his OTC game and dating regular girls are mutually exclusive activities? Are you one of those types that can only manage to do one thing in life at a time? I ask only because your comments don't make much sense.

I don't think he is saying they are mutually exclusive at all. He implies they are different and that "game" is more challenging and satisfying than OTC game.

As for doing both at the same time... I've yet to hear of anyone attempt to ask one girl out on a civvie date while simultaneously offering $ to a prostitute for sex. If someone could pull that off he would have my eternal respect.

Actually flagooner, he certainly implied that they were by suggesting that the OP do one instead of the other. And ok dude, he might have to put the phone down after getting a no from the civvie before propositioning the stripper for sex. Good point there Literal Man. ;)

I have to ask, are you a dancer or a club manager trolling this site? Between this thread and your recent goofy statements of "fact":about the need for, and universal existence of, cameras in private areas of clubs (which btw are belied by the fact that there are quite a number of clubs without cameras in sensitive areas, but I just lost the interest to continue in that thread), I am starting to wonder about where your perspective is coming from in all of this.

Nope. Just a pathetic loser that enjoys SC entertainment.

And my statements of "fact" I clearly stated that I always believed or assumed, not that I knew.

One thing that surprised me about the real world was once I was out college and in the real world for the first time, I learned something interesting that was deliberately hidden previously:

1. When you are underage you are given one set of rules by grown men around you. 1a. Don't cheat. 1b. Don't dip your pen in the company's ink (I.e., cheating at workplace)

2. Once you are out in you or own and they figure you can handle it, they same guys let you in I a secret. It was a lie, sort of, but for your own good. ;) 2a. Men with means and opportunity get it whenever they can or want 2b. If your mind is stuck in rut; find something to play with. "Take care of business the. Get back to business." Find a civvie or an escort, discreetly, fuck her brains out 100% , get it out of your system fully, when get back to the task you were on and finish it. Everyone wins! 2c. If I can't afford it, let these guys know, and they will take care of it for me. These guys were dads of girls I went to HS or college with and we all top 3% dudes with some means. 2d. Don't tell your mom, or your sister, or your girlfriend, since no matter have you try to explain it to them, they WON'T understand. (They are right about that).

Flagooner, I think a lot of these dudes in late 30s and 40s, and 50s, who make enough money (like $150K) are all like this. Like 85% or more, I noticed. All married or serious girlfriends with kids, mortgage, etc. It was more like the broke dudes that stay faithful. All with escorts (private group with vetted members) or civvie affairs. Typically at work or the kid's school.

It was surprising to a young adult at the time (me) especially since a few years prior they were all giving me a different line (no cheating, be active in your kids lives and the community and church, etc.). Both are true, just from 2 different point of view, it seems.

That's my 2 ¢.

Those were some interesting insights D77 - I guess it's like Chris Rock sez "a man is only as faithful as his options"

Trying to improve my OTC "roster". Is that better?

Honestly dude being that you are a younger guy you might have been able to hit the 4am chick for free. I started going to SC's when I was about 28 and that would happen once in while. Now not so much..LOL! but the other stripper asking about your hotel key was definitely fishing for some money.

@rickdugun What I mean is this "OTC game" is a separate entity from the "game", the mission to get laid while paying minimum. The "game" would require having good linguistic skills, being impressive and wooing her with your romance so you can get laid, WITHOUT paying the amount you'd pay a prostitute. This "OTC game" you guys speak of is just knowing how to pay hookers better. What I'm asking is what is the point of "OTC game" if all it is, is just throwing money at strippers to get fucked. It's not that complicated. Just give her the amount she wantts and get your dick moist. There is no complication and it definetely shouldn't be something you try to "improve". I thought the point was to get laid for free....or bring the best looking hoes back to your place for minimum cash (maybe buy them a drink or two and THAT'S it). IF you don't get it rick after I said this, then I'm not sure what else I can say.

I just saw Larry's age in another thread. If I knew that before, I might have taken a different view of the whole thing. At his age, I agree that spending a lot of time and money chasing strippers doesn't make a whole lot of sense. At that age, I had as much civilian pussy as I could handle. I also spent a fair amount of my limited free time in the gym to ensure that I could continue to draw young pussy.

Larry, to put it in perspective, I recently had one of my paid OTC girls tell me I was her youngest "friend" and I am 20 years older than you. Now I was certainly also visiting clubs at your age, but far less frequently than I do now and I didn't drop serious coin in them. There is plenty of time for strip clubs and paid pussy when you are too old to have fun with young civilian girls - right now you should be building memories that will last you a lifetime and, perhaps, even thinking about things like an LTR and children (eventually).

Just ask.

Age isn't a barrier, it's a limiting belief. Whether you're 20 or 40, you can still pull civilian pussy. A fit, stylish 40 yo is much more attractive than a dirty, slobby 20 yo.

Now the OP probably has more opportunities d/t the social group he's likely to hang out with, and hopefully he's maximizing that. However, I'm not going to project my reasons for SCing onto his and w/e they are, are his own. The caveat is that he protects himself from any financial or emotional harm. Personally, I am able to hookup with 6/7s to the occasional 8s in the civvy world and go to the SC to play with 9s and 10s.

Thanks RickDugan. I've always been kind of awkward around women, but yeah I should definitely focus more on civilian women. I'm young and make a decent income, there's no reason I shouldn't be able to pull civilian pussy.

I think the strip clubs have helped me a lot with my awkwardness around women. I'll take my new confidence to the civilian world.