OT: not another political thread!
larryfisherman
California
Watching the lefts and rights on here over exaggerate everything is hillarious.
Left side: If Trump is elected I'm gonna move out the country! Lol ok.
Right side: Hillary is a criminal! I guess using your personal email for work makes you a criminal nowadays lol!
The right side always refers to the media as liberal. Is all the media liberal? Lol did I miss something.
My question though is about Obama. The righties on here say he's the worst president of all time. The lefties say he did a great job and they wish he was eligible for a third term. Talk about two extremes. The lefties don't talk about the bad he's done, and the righties don't talk about the good he's done.
My question is: all things considered has Obama been a good or bad president?
I would like some objective responses.
Left side: If Trump is elected I'm gonna move out the country! Lol ok.
Right side: Hillary is a criminal! I guess using your personal email for work makes you a criminal nowadays lol!
The right side always refers to the media as liberal. Is all the media liberal? Lol did I miss something.
My question though is about Obama. The righties on here say he's the worst president of all time. The lefties say he did a great job and they wish he was eligible for a third term. Talk about two extremes. The lefties don't talk about the bad he's done, and the righties don't talk about the good he's done.
My question is: all things considered has Obama been a good or bad president?
I would like some objective responses.
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The American people elected a smooth talking inexperienced empty suit.
He talked about improving race relations, IMO they're worse now.
He talked about closing Gitmo, it's still open. His policies regarding Gitmo have released several terrorists who have returned to fight against Americans.
When he was running he said that the deficit increase under Bush was treasonous or criminal, I don't recall his exact words but he has increased the deficit beyond Bush and all of the previous Presidents combined.
He has tried to appease enemy countries and alienated friendly countries.
He ordered the release of upper echelon Taliban commanders in a trade for a traitor, Bo Bergdhal who actually went AWOL to join the Taliban and men died searching for him and men in his own unit have stated he was a deserter.
I could go on and on if I devoted the time to think about it but I have other things I have to do now so I have to log off of TUSCL. I'll bet others will fill in the blanks.
Sum it up, bad president!
TheeOSU- I agree with you that race relations are worse off now. You make some good points, but once again you say the bad stuff, but you don't mention the good. Unless you think he hasn't done anything good?
On the domestic front, Obamacare is a train wreck that has had disastrous effects on other forms of personal consumption; his regulatory agenda has been the most anti-business in modern times and possibly since FDR; and he has almost doubled the national debt to a whopping 19+ trillion. All the while we have been witness to the most anemic so-called recovery in the modern age. So contrary to what someone else said, he has been every bit as bad as I feared and even worse.
I won't even delve deeply into the foreign policy side of the equation. Suffice it to say that his approach of pissing on the legs of our allies and sucking the cocks of our adversaries has left the world a much more unstable place. His various betrayals are going to be remembered by other world leaders for a long time to come.
I am admittedly a right winger, but my views are not purely ideological. I am willing to give credit where credit is due. For example, I thought that Clinton ended up being a pretty decent President, all things considered, particularly as he was a centrist who was smart enough not to get in the way of economic growth. But Obama did a shit ton of damage and the only thing that kept him from doing even more was his loss of a Congressional majority early in his tenure. Heck, if Mitt Romney didn't suck so bad as a Republican nominee then Obama probably would have lost the White House far sooner as well.
So yes, I'm ready for something a bit different now.
But my company's health premiums have skyrocketed. Despite claims that prescription drug costs are down, I don't see it. My drug costs have increased. Especially generics. Some formerly inexpensive generic drugs have gone up 300 to 400 percent. Is it coincidental?
On balance, was it worth it just to insure another 16 million people or so?
Stock market is up
Unemployment is down
Crime rate is down
Millions more covered by health insurance
Weed is legal in 4 states
Congress is the biggest clusterfuck in the country's history
Inflation is slowed
Wealth disparity is growing
Two wars are still costing lives and Billions$$
Most other country's leaders are expressing positive feelings towards USA ( major exceptions- Isreal & Russia)
Some of the above may have been influenced by our President - some not.
My grade after 7.5 years: B+
Stock market is up
Unemployment is down
Crime rate is down
Millions more covered by health insurance
Weed is legal in 4 states
Congress is the biggest clusterfuck in the country's history
Inflation is slowed
Wealth disparity is growing
Two wars are still costing lives and Billions$$
Most other country's leaders are expressing positive feelings towards USA ( major exceptions- Isreal & Russia)
Some of the above may have been influenced by our President - some not.
My grade after 7.5 years: B+
Stock market is up
Unemployment is down
Crime rate is down
Millions more covered by health insurance
Weed is legal in 4 states
Congress is the biggest clusterfuck in the country's history
Inflation is slowed
Wealth disparity is growing
Two wars are still costing lives and Billions$$
Most other country's leaders are expressing positive feelings towards USA ( major exceptions- Isreal & Russia)
Some of the above may have been influenced by our President - some not.
My grade after 7.5 years: B+
"Right side: Hillary is a criminal! I guess using your personal email for work makes you a criminal nowadays lol!"
What a frivolous thing to say! The issue isn't just using an email server in her house for conducting State Department business. The issue is receiving and sending hundreds (if not thousands) of classified emails on a personal email server. She has treated national secrets with culpable negligence that borders on treason. Anyone else behaving with similar negligence would be rotting in prison by now.
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Such a vague statement that it's almost meaningless. But it brings to mind the repeal of Glass-Steagall, which occurred under Clinton / Rubin, which was probably the single largest factor in the 2008 financial collapse. Obama and Fed was left to clean up the mess.