1st time ITC discussions: story of the clean dancer & the extras girl (long)
I like to window shop. When I enter a club, I like to take my time checking out all the dancers until I find my favorite one or two. Sometimes I sit for an hour or two or three until I find her and she's available. When I finally get her dancing for me and my hands are all over her, I'm as happy as a clam.
So, I'm in my first extras club window shopping. I've never done ITC or OTC before or even attempted it. I'm not determined to get extras, but I'm open to it and decide to go with the flow.
Time passes, I'm checking out all the girls and I finally see her. The "it" girl. My perfect little blonde spinner. She's awesome, popular, and constantly busy with regulars, doing dances, chatting, etc. She's finally free and I track her down. She gives me a big smile and is really sweet, but she's going on break and will be gone an hour. I tell her I'll be there all night and she promises to find me when she gets back.
I go back to eating, drinking, window shopping, chatting with JS & rh48hr, and get a couple of dances from some other dancer I see. One hour turns into two and my perfect blonde spinner hasn't returned.
Then, I see her on the main stage, but she's wearing another outfit. I get excited and go tip her on the main stage. Only it's not her! It's another dancer that looks a lot like her. I decide she's my second favorite and plan to get dances from her instead.
Then, the 1st girl shows up while the other is on stage and she goes on stage next. So I go tip my original perfect blonde on stage and she acts happy to see me and says she'll come right over after the main stage.
She does and she's finally sitting in my lap chatting with me and JS. I'm a total PL in love, especially since she is sweet and super cool. She finally starts dancing and she's immediately my new ATF. She's giving me perfect GFE dances, teasing me well, letting me touch her just about everywhere, allowing some light kissing and occasional licking, and I'm putty in her hands. After about 10 dances, I'm running out of money. I have a feeling she's a clean dancer even though this is an extras club, since she has another job and only works once every few weeks. Even so, I want her more than anything, so inquire about VIP. I tell her I'm running out of money and going to hit the ATM. I ask her how much money I should take out to have more fun in VIP. If she was a ROB, she could have played me, but she didn't.
She confirmed what I thought. She said she won't do any more in VIP for any price. She said she'll give me equally great dances on the floor as VIP and I'll save $ by not going to VIP with her. Wow, honest. I want to marry this girl. Anyway, I hit the ATM, then do about 4 more dances with my fav. She finally goes and takes a break.
While I'm getting dances from my fav, JS finds out that my 2nd fav is an extras girl. He and rh48hr do me a solid favor and recruit her to come visit me later.
So, now I shift gears and I'm wondering about extras with this other hot little blonde spinner. It's getting late though and I'm pretty exhausted from several hours in the club, so my little head and big head are battling it out. The extras girl finally comes over and starts dancing for me. During the first song, she's already asking me for VIP.
I ask her to keep dancing for another song and we can discuss VIP options. She confirms she's an extras girl right away by telling me that everything is on the menu in VIP, as long as it's covered. She tells me it's $600 for full service. I tell her that's more than I want to spend. She's hot, but I'm not quite as into her as my fav, and the big head is starting to overrule the little head. I don't even try to negotiate because I think I'm ready for bed. She asks how much I want to spend and I say $300 max. She offers VIP and a HJ for this price. I would have probably done FS for $300 or a HJ for $100'ish, but I'm tired and don't try to haggle. I just tell her I'll think about it and she pushes hard to close the sale, but I've given up and decide to call it a night.
I say goodbye to her, go say goodbye to my fav, hop in an Uber and head to my hotel.
JS was disappointed in me for not losing my extras virginity so to speak, but all in all it was an enjoyable SC visit.
So, I'm in my first extras club window shopping. I've never done ITC or OTC before or even attempted it. I'm not determined to get extras, but I'm open to it and decide to go with the flow.
Time passes, I'm checking out all the girls and I finally see her. The "it" girl. My perfect little blonde spinner. She's awesome, popular, and constantly busy with regulars, doing dances, chatting, etc. She's finally free and I track her down. She gives me a big smile and is really sweet, but she's going on break and will be gone an hour. I tell her I'll be there all night and she promises to find me when she gets back.
I go back to eating, drinking, window shopping, chatting with JS & rh48hr, and get a couple of dances from some other dancer I see. One hour turns into two and my perfect blonde spinner hasn't returned.
Then, I see her on the main stage, but she's wearing another outfit. I get excited and go tip her on the main stage. Only it's not her! It's another dancer that looks a lot like her. I decide she's my second favorite and plan to get dances from her instead.
Then, the 1st girl shows up while the other is on stage and she goes on stage next. So I go tip my original perfect blonde on stage and she acts happy to see me and says she'll come right over after the main stage.
She does and she's finally sitting in my lap chatting with me and JS. I'm a total PL in love, especially since she is sweet and super cool. She finally starts dancing and she's immediately my new ATF. She's giving me perfect GFE dances, teasing me well, letting me touch her just about everywhere, allowing some light kissing and occasional licking, and I'm putty in her hands. After about 10 dances, I'm running out of money. I have a feeling she's a clean dancer even though this is an extras club, since she has another job and only works once every few weeks. Even so, I want her more than anything, so inquire about VIP. I tell her I'm running out of money and going to hit the ATM. I ask her how much money I should take out to have more fun in VIP. If she was a ROB, she could have played me, but she didn't.
She confirmed what I thought. She said she won't do any more in VIP for any price. She said she'll give me equally great dances on the floor as VIP and I'll save $ by not going to VIP with her. Wow, honest. I want to marry this girl. Anyway, I hit the ATM, then do about 4 more dances with my fav. She finally goes and takes a break.
While I'm getting dances from my fav, JS finds out that my 2nd fav is an extras girl. He and rh48hr do me a solid favor and recruit her to come visit me later.
So, now I shift gears and I'm wondering about extras with this other hot little blonde spinner. It's getting late though and I'm pretty exhausted from several hours in the club, so my little head and big head are battling it out. The extras girl finally comes over and starts dancing for me. During the first song, she's already asking me for VIP.
I ask her to keep dancing for another song and we can discuss VIP options. She confirms she's an extras girl right away by telling me that everything is on the menu in VIP, as long as it's covered. She tells me it's $600 for full service. I tell her that's more than I want to spend. She's hot, but I'm not quite as into her as my fav, and the big head is starting to overrule the little head. I don't even try to negotiate because I think I'm ready for bed. She asks how much I want to spend and I say $300 max. She offers VIP and a HJ for this price. I would have probably done FS for $300 or a HJ for $100'ish, but I'm tired and don't try to haggle. I just tell her I'll think about it and she pushes hard to close the sale, but I've given up and decide to call it a night.
I say goodbye to her, go say goodbye to my fav, hop in an Uber and head to my hotel.
JS was disappointed in me for not losing my extras virginity so to speak, but all in all it was an enjoyable SC visit.
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I did kind of hope to be there to witness DaOnion after he had his first ITC extras. However, he's clearly well on his way to PLdom. It's only a matter of time until he gets his dick wet. My guess is that in another couple of years DaOnion will be fucking strippers along with the best of us.
How does this new blonde spinner compare to Blair?
Bavarian, Blair was hot and sweet, but a little too tall for me, so I couldn't do the reach around on her. This spinner was more perfect in my book. Just my type.
Meat, I'll pm you. I was just visiting, so I may never see her again. Fun night though.
DaOnion - a good move on your part to turn her down. That price is outrageous for itc fs. There are many more lovely ladies you can bust your itc cherry to for much less.
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It’s best to more or less know the going-rate and tell a dancer how much you are willing to pay vs asking her how much - it’s your $$$ and you should be in control of how it’s spent not the dancers.
I asked her how much for different services and she came at me with her rip off prices, hoping I'd bite. When I said no, that's more than I want to spend, she then pressed me for how much money I had to spend. This is where I blew the negotiation. I told her $300 and then she tried to sell me the lowest level service for the maximum that I had to spend.
I was tired and ready to go home, so I gave up and didn't attempt to negotiate further. Plus, after 2 dances, I wasn't as into this girl as I was the first one. Anyway, in the future though, what do you veterans recommend?
Is it best to throw out an offer first or let her quote a price first and then negotiate down from there?
Sometimes the girl will want me to tell her what I'm willing to pay. If so I'll offer about 75% of what I'm willing to pay, leaving me a little room to negotiate up but not too much.
Of course the rules are different with a DS candidate. but I've posted that system elsewhere.
To me that is often a red-flag – comes across as the dancer wanting to take all you have for herself – your $$$ and how much you have it’s really none of her business – a more proper question is for her to ask “how much are you looking to spend”.
In the end – since it’s you w/ the $$$ then it’s you who should control the negotiation and set the price as long as it’s fair – it’s your $$$ - don’t give her the control.
One needs to have a basic knowledge of the going-rate and what is a fair-offer and stick to that and be willing to walk-away if she’s not content w/ a fair offer.
I’m not a good haggler and prefer to not have to do-it – I state what I believe is a fair offer and stick to that – if she thinks she’s worth more I respect that but I won’t go past what I’m comfortable paying and feel is fair – and I don’t try to low-ball her to try and eventually get to a fair price.
I may be seeing the girl OTC unpaid this week, so I want to see how that plays out first. Fingers crossed.
I didn't read the whole thread yet, so apologies if this has been discussed... in this area, it varies by club. I know of at least a couple of clubs that give half hour breaks, and one that gives longer breaks. The girls can (and do) leave the club premises and then come back. When I was a regular at these clubs, I'd often use these breaks to go drinking with the girls -- it's one of my favorite non-sexual things to do with strippers, get one or a group of them wasted on their breaks -- and with one girl, we'd go out to my car and have sex.
Anyway, I'm sure it varies by area and specific club policy. I can imagine why clubs wouldn't want their dancers to go off-premises: 1. you never know when/if they'll come back, 2. perhaps if the girls go have sex with customer in the parking lot, law enforcement might try to show club collusion? In some areas, breaks might be mandated by law, though.
I asked her how much for different services and she came at me with her rip off prices, hoping I'd bite. When I said no, that's more than I want to spend, she then pressed me for how much money I had to spend. This is where I blew the negotiation. I told her $300 and then she tried to sell me the lowest level service for the maximum that I had to spend."
I think she did textbook sales on you, and you just followed her script as a textbook rube. Not a criticism BTW! I don't know how many times I did that myself! Anyway, if you were buying a used car and the salesman asked, "how much are you willing to spend today", no fucking way you'd answer that question, right? The hustle there is crystal clear, just as it was with you stripper... but the fact that she was a pretty girl made you answer the question anyway!
I think you have to go with whatever negotiation strategy works for you. For me, I'm in the NEVER LET THE GIRL NAME HER PRICE camp. I take control of the negotiation (even if she doesn't realize I'm in control), I feel far more comfortable in that role. I name my price, a bit low so she can negotiate me upwards, and typically my demeanor is almost "hell, I'd pay you $1000 if I had it, you'd be worth every dime, but here's what I can pay".
I don't like to let her name her price first, because that puts her in control to start, and can generate bad feelings and worse service if I subsequently lower her price too much. I don't like to put her down or give an air of "you're just an interchangeable chick I can get sex from", because that's just not me, and again, because it can generate worse performance in the booth. Starting off by naming my own price, and treating her like I appreciate her, is what's fit with my personality and what's generated really great experiences at affordable prices, for me.
I don’t know what the club atmosphere is, but I get the impression that it’s high volume busy club, if they allow a dancer to walk in an out as she pleases.
So let’s say in a one hour period, a popular and good looking dancer (especially if white and blond) can easily pull off stacking dances on the floor.
From here on out, I’m doing math to set up an opportunity cost model for her.
Here are the assumptions. I did my best to have realistic numbers. Please tell me if I do not.
*She averages stacking 4 dances per customer.
*She spends 2 songs of chit chat between each customer.
*A song averages 3.5 minutes
That means within six songs, or 21 minutes, she gets $80.
Within an hour she gets a little less than $240. We will assign her hourly floor time at $230 for no extras. Or $115 for a half hour.
(Of course the number above isn’t the true hourly rate, since it doesn’t factor additional time spent because of customers saying no to dances. However, the rejection rate would have been been even higher if she was only trying to hustle VIP. So if anything, I am downplaying her opportunity cost here.)
Idk what VIP time block you were looking at, but a $100 time block for a hand job seems like it would be undercutting herself for an equivalent time floor dances only.
I’m not going to say how much I used to charge back when I was more open to extras. But her rates would have been more favorable than mine in terms of services done. And nobody ever complained to me about those prices. (Though to be fair I had a tendency to appeal GFE style, which puts worth in a fuzzy territory. That and I was low volume anyways.)
So, she might just charge that because people happily pay it.