Tijuana, Baja California trip
bobofdoom159
Oregon
hey guys before i get married i would like to go to hong kong and some other strip clubs within the area i hear so much great reviews and it sounds like a place i would live at if i was close by lol. But i live in nj it like a 500 dollar plain ticket to get to san diego but how much would it cost to fuck about 3 girls a night for 5 days including food and hotel fee plus the VIP card for Hong Kong among any other expensive' s of course all girls have there own price but just give me an estimate of how much u need to pretty much have a week in heaven !! Al so if you can break it down for me to like how much each expense will cost i hear the taxi only 5 dollars and a hotel i wouldnt need anything crazy but i would need 5 days of the average room price. plus drinks you have while at Hong Kong to how much did you have per night on average ? Just so i know my complete and total cost of this trip i wanna make sure im prepared for when i go down there. any other useful tips or need to know information would be much appreciated.
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SJG
And how about doing the same thing with a street girl?
Any ideas or experience?
SJG
All that being said its not really that kind of place and I think you'd be disappointed. You'd probably have a way better time with a well review class escort in any major American city they are offering more of what I think you are looking fore TJs about a balls to the walls totally degenerate weekend where you bang as many big booty Mexican women as the little man can handle.
billyba,
Sure some people go for hooker binges. But then they have those Jacuzzi rooms for a reason.
https://sites.google.com/site/sjgportal/…
In the HK bar you can get quite friendly with the girls before committing to a session.
But can the HK girls leave with you? Probably not I would imagine.
The ones who are the most free, the most their own bosses, are the Street Girls.
Not sure how friendly you can get with them before committing to a session. But is there maybe a place you could take one to lunch?
Feeding your girl is necessary if you plan to spend more time shacked up with her.
Can you take a Street Girl to a Jacuzzi room hotel like the Cascadas?
TJ can be about quantity of girls. But TJ is also a place for escorts, as they can be more affordable to spend longer times with.
But which of their working girls is not to some degree also an escort? None.
Thanks for the info billyba.
Be back tomorrow.
SJG
"Not sure how friendly you can get with them before committing to a session. But is there maybe a place you could take one to lunch?"
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Ummmmmmm no, .... dude I think you have some major misconceptions about TJ. 1. You aren't doing shit with these chick without paying them. #2. These are girls that I'm told you have to negotiate to even get them to take off their cloths during the act they're not going to lunch with you [the next statement is not about the girls worth as human beings only a comment on the service they are providing] the are basically a step or two above a flesh light. The are escorts in Tj but they won't go the zone and you for sure aren't picking them up on the street you have to go thru a service. The zone is like a ghetto basically don't let some pictures on HKs website fool
Damn phone.
"1. You aren't doing shit with these chick without paying them."
I know that. Time and attention cost money, inside of the clubs and out on the sidewalk. Thing is, in TJ at least it is going to be more reasonable. And then, even from here in San Jose's Mexican bars I have learned that Latina's are extremely fun to engage with. And handing pretty girls money can be lots of fun. You just need to learn how to do it. It can be both respectful and playful. More a showing of caring and respect than a fee for service.
As far as taking a Street Girl to lunch, it is assumed that that would be at her usual session price. It's mostly just a way to flatter her and amuse her, and set it up so that an extended session goes nicer. In the TJ bar you can get friendly in the main room. Not sure about out on the sidewalk. So instead, substitute lunch. Everybody needs to eat. Even though these girls are hardened pros, a GFE session will still go easier if she feels that she knows you some.
" #2. These are girls that I'm told you have to negotiate to even get them to take off their cloths during the act "
Well, in some strip clubs they do it like that. They don't really put on a show for the house. Not important though if the girls are climbing on guys and jumping on their laps. Not necessary to get her clothes of so soon.
Dr. F's girl by girl account
https://www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=2…
"they're not going to lunch with you [the next statement is not about the girls worth as human beings only a comment on the service they are providing] the are basically a step or two above a flesh light. "
Well what makes the Street Girls interesting is that they, more than the club dancers, are their own bosses. So they can do whatever they want. And it's always best if it's just between you and the girl and no one else is getting any kind of a cut or has any sort of a claim on her.
My own experience with pros is that so long as they are getting paid, they're happy. If they see that going to lunch is a prelude to more money, which it will likely be, they'll be very happy. Getting paid by one guy and spending time with him is much more lucrative and much easier. Each time they try to engage with a new person, there is a chance he will flake out. Some guys are really tight with them. I won't be. I want it to be fun. And so long as you don't ever treat them like a Flesh Light, it can be really fun. And sex, even done nicely, does tire them out. So I'm sure they'll be just fine about lunch.
I've not seen anyone here on TUSCL claim direct experience with the TJ Street Girls. But on Escorts of Mexico they say that generally they are up for anything, even Toda La Noche. It is just that for this you want to get to them at the right time, like about 4am. The way they see it, they have to call it a night at some point, and they need to sleep somewhere, so why not. Sounds like besides paying for the hotel room, they want about double the un ratito price. Quite reasonable.
As I have learned here in San Jose, in the Latino culture prostitution is quite a bit more gentile. Mexican men treat women with reverence.
And then in Ron Kovick's "Born on the 4th of July" there is a really touching account of Toda La Noche in a rural Mexican brothel.
Here we had some from these underground shows put on in SJ's Mexican Bars. I call them "The Beloved Latina Escorts". They were always doing home sessions. And any kind of interaction with them, just talking, was a real trip. It is just the way Latinas are.
Now I don't plan to do it as Escorts of Mexico describes, being out at 4am in the zona, or getting to a Street Girl at the end of her shift, or sleeping with one I don't already know. No, the time to engage with street hookers is in broad daylight.
And then if you want to see her again, which I will as I will have selected carefully, make an appointment. They show them there in videos leaning up against a wall and checking their cell phone messages.
Street Hookers and Escorts have merged, mostly because of cell phones. Here in SJ and SF, LE is really tough on them. But they are still out there. And now they have business cards, and if they see your looking at them, they'll write out a fee schedule and their phone number on small piece of paper and walk up and hand it to you.
"The are escorts in Tj but they won't go the zone and you for sure aren't picking them up on the street you have to go thru a service."
http://www.escortsofmexico.com/cities/ti…
Well yes their are escorts in Mexico, there are lots and lots of them. And I believe that most of them are very good at what they do. But what do they do you think they do when holes open up in their appointment schedules?
"The zone is like a ghetto basically don't let some pictures on HKs website fool "
I know that the zona is an unusual place. But I also live and work surrounded by Mexicans right now. They are on the whole a very decent and caring people. And this is why our local Latina escorts were so well liked.
I know that the girls on the HK bar website are not their average looking girls. It is written many places that their ages run about 25 to 35yo. This is fine with me. And besides, in all such situations I like to pick the girl myself. I am not shy about approaching them. I don't need for them to approach me. So all I need is to find a girl I like. I pick carefully and I am also open minded. It is not just looks, it is the entire persona.
The pictures I have collected may or may not be representative of the Street Girls. But they are not from the club websites. They are from guys who have gone around and taken pictures surreptitiously. How selective were these guys? Hard to say.
But then there are also a whole bunch of videos like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpfO_QSB…
These were taken by guys who had hidden cameras and just walked down the street. It would be much harder to cherry pick girls to orchestrate this.
And then @nemesisk7 continues to post a great deal of highly relevant information about lesser known clubs and about were the nice looking Street Girls are found. I give a great deal of credence to what he says.
And then about what I think is your larger point, that TJ is just a place to go and quickly fuck as many girls as possible, without spending much time with them or any more money than is necessary.
Well yes we have had articles posted about that. A typical scenario is to cross over from San Yisidro and go to the HK bar. Then girls will be jumping on the guys lap, and sometimes even DFKing him. Not sure why he doesn't do a full session with the first one, but he doesn't. Then finally he does one of them. Then he exits and goes to eat lunch alone. Then a second round of the same. Then back across the border and paying for a motel room in San Yisidro.
Wow, I think how much fun San Yisidro must be, like maybe a large pizza or two, and maybe an old fashioned television set with a remote control. And then it is so close to the Zona that if you walk out into the parking lot, you can probably even smell the aroma of pussy juice.
And this shows why I am not interested in sex tourism. You can have lots of sex, but you will never get to see any of the girls again. Overall it is not that good of a set up.
So we have TMojo, who posted an article about why you should get a room. He got the base price room and did a few girls. He supplied himself with some food and soft drinks. Very smart as I see it. The girls hung around some.
And the HK bar runs 24-7. This is of course because some people come from other time zones, and it is all close to the TJ airport too.
But 24-7 means something else too. It means that people can go off of the solar calendar. Guys go into binge mode. And the girls do too.
And so this means that when they need to sleep, they will need to sleep somewhere. So why not with you, as that can enable another round. She doesn't lose any money as she can go back to doing quickies later. There is no cut off time. So she can sleep and hang out some when she wants.
So we have these fancier rooms with Jacuzzi's and refrigerators. I doesn't say what these are for on the hotel web site. But I know what I would use them for. Hell of a lot better than that motel in San Yisidro.
So Mr. and Mrs. FullPress have posted about doing 2 to 4 hour sessions with HK Bar girls, referring to them as escorts, and in a Jacuzzi room. It all sounds quite gentile, and they even ended up driving one of the girls home in their car.
And then they have an inside restaurant too. I know how I would use that. And then there is their Miami VIP room, where most anything goes and where I think the girls will likely be the most interested in getting front room naked and friendly. So I could meet a girl down stairs and get let us get to know each other. Then take her up to the Miami room and do a first round. Then maybe the restaurant. Beautiful women also need to eat. And then the hotel.
Yes it all costs money, but it will be money very well spent.
There are a few things that most of these guys looking for quickies in the HK bar do that I would never do.
1. Letting the girls or tipped out waiters do the selecting. I prefer to select girls myself. Even with pros, this still carries a great deal of weight. And then if I kiss her, well that means that she is already 90% of the way approved to being my date for that TJ visit, and she will understand this. I won't kiss her until I really mean it.
2. Talking to the girl like she is a prostitute. I don't ever do this. I treat all women as civilians.
3. Some people have been a little too tight with the money. They compare the negotiating to buying a used car. And then they use tactics so sharp that they would be frowned upon even when buying a used car. I won't ever do any of this.
4. Treating the girl like a rubber doll in the session. I won't do this. Again I'll treat her like a civilian and allow, and pay for, enough time to do a good job with her.
I'm not interested in sex tourism. When I go there it will be the first of many regular visits. So like I will tell the girls, "I'm here to make some friends".
The people I meet and can exchange contact information with will be seeing me again and be getting introduced to my other business associates. The girl I session with that first time in TJ could well end up becoming my paid agent on the ground for TJ. And who better to help keep me and my people out of trouble with the locals. For sure she'll be able to look forward to doing paid lingerie photo modelling sessions for me.
And then as far as the general idea of, is it better to fuck lots of girls, or one girl more times. We've had this thread.
https://www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=3…
Between them, Shadowcat and a friend did a dozen different girls, instead of taking one girl each for the whole night. I think these Mexican places are set up to let you have it which ever way you want it. If you are going to go multiple rounds with a girl, then you are more going to be expected to be verbally entertaining her. You need to learn how to do this and you have to find a girl you can really get along with.
TUSCL members seem to be on both sides of this preference.
So billyba,
Thank you for sharing your experiences. I take it you've not sessioned with TJ Street Girls.
Do you have anything to say about the other TJ clubs, besides HK bar? How about any overall comments on TJ GFE?
Can the club girls leave with you, like from the HK bar? Will they? Do you have to pay an exit fee?
Good places to take Street Girls, like to eat, or for longer hotel sessions?
Thanks,
SJG
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A clarification. What I mean is, if a girl is going to be that forward, then I say that just in keeping with the spirit of it, you ought to try to just give her what she wants. So just pay her and fuck her. Make her feel good.
If you don't want to do this, then don't let her jump on your lap and don't let her kiss you.
At a bare minimum, you should pay her if you let her be that forward.
SJG
K7
Coming shortly a probably way too long misinformed response from SJG who will try to shoehorn the Tijuana narrative of his ideal heaven in earth which doesn't match reality experienced by people with rhave been there for the real world experience.
Thanks nemesis7 for calling our attention to this:
https://www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=3…
And yes, I agree that the Street Girls are going to be one of the best parts of a place like that, whether you partake or not. It is just that they are there, out in the open, and hence putting on something of a show.
In Mexico the Wife - Mistress system is widely practiced by well off men. As related in David Stuart's Guyamas Chronicles, most of the heads up girls from their own Red Light Zone were being kept by rich guys off in the major cities. So they would depart on Monday morning, and then return later in the week to service the locals. So lots of guys in Mexico have ongoing relationships with their working girls.
My own experience is that you want to speed the civies up and slow the pros down.
Civies will try to set up something like in the romantic comedy movies, completely neurotic. Don't go there. Get the girl out of her comfort zone by making it happen fast. Get it going so fast that she will have second thoughts about telling everything to her girlfriends.
But with the pros, with the basic service, they can go purely mechanical. So slow them down, but don't do it directly. Do it by increasing the intensity and intimacy level. Otherwise you aren't really getting much for your money.
Dr. F. posted about how in TJ sometimes buying one $8 girl drink leads to 20min of a girl sitting in your lap, talking, and making out with you. That would be about ideal as I see it. 20min of talk and physicality is plenty enough time to get comfortable with someone.
SJG
https://sites.google.com/site/sjgportal/…
The Smithereens - Yesterday Girl
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One caveat I would introduce would be environments where everyone knows everyone already. If there a girl wanted to make instant sex happen, then why not. You know already that she knows who you are and so the door will be open for all manner of future contact.