Definition of ATF
shailynn
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What is your definition of ATF?
To me, I have only had 1 ATF who is retired, and I could have 1 replacement but I don't get to that town often enough. My point is ATFs to me are extremely rare.
Also, an ATF to me is someone you meet outside the club, someone you fuck on a regular basis and possibly get to know personal details about outside her "at work" stripper life. You would know her real age and real full name too.
I just don't get how some guys throw around the term and its all about some girl they have done nothing more with than gotten a bunch of lap dances.
To me, I have only had 1 ATF who is retired, and I could have 1 replacement but I don't get to that town often enough. My point is ATFs to me are extremely rare.
Also, an ATF to me is someone you meet outside the club, someone you fuck on a regular basis and possibly get to know personal details about outside her "at work" stripper life. You would know her real age and real full name too.
I just don't get how some guys throw around the term and its all about some girl they have done nothing more with than gotten a bunch of lap dances.
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All Time Favorite implies a single entity that is preferred over all others. No more, no less.
For most who participate around here, to become an ATF probably requires more than stage tipping and lap dancing but maybe not. I've got no explanations for what the guys who have a new ATF every 30 seconds, other than maybe ADD or something.
To me, it feels like most of us use ATF not to mean "over my strip club career, the one and only all-time favorite stripper of mine, ever". Instead, most people seem to be using ATF to mean, "stripper who was my very favorite during a particular period of time, the thought of her gets me excited and wanting to get back into the club ASAP." Which is why people can post things like "I haven't had an ATF in 6 months", "Have you ever had two ATFs at the same time?" etc., and we all know what they mean.
I use ATF to mean, "stripper who has risen to such a favorite that i go to the club specifically to see her, the thought of her gets me going back more often than I should, I probably see her OTC, am on her facebook page, etc." I use CF to mean "my current favorite stripper, but she's easily replaceable, I may or may not have seen her OTC, the thought of her doesn't get me dragging myself back to the club way more often than I can afford".
Quoting myself from 7 years ago *sigh*:
"ATF is something of an idiom, not meant to make literal sense. It's intentionally hyperbolic, making fun of the poster's own tendency for serial infatuation. Similar to "Greatest evah!", meaning since last week."
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Here's another shocker: Strip clubbing isn't always rational and orderly. Comparing ATFs past and present isn't as straightforward for everyone as the literal-minded think it should be. They're all just chicks we were infatuated with at some point.
I've never seen the point of adding "CF" to the nomenclature, because to me it's just another ATF. I could care less how she stacks up against some retired stripper from 10 years ago.
If you are seeing them outside, or even just having telephone conversations with them regularly, then they are Girlfriends, Mistresses, Paramours, or something else. But as it is way beyond the walls of the strip club they are not ATF's or CF's.
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You said it OP. That and a little more. I'm probably on her facebook page and just have her trust as far as OTC and just hanging out. Things dinner lunch or dinner once in a while. her spending the night the night once in a while wouldn't hurt either. And a stripper you just met can't really be your ATF to me. It's kind of a hard to find connection.
So ATF is someone you know as a stripper.
If you have a more involved outside relationship with her, then she is no longer to you a stripper. She is Girlfriend, Mistress, Paramour, Whore, Sugar Baby, something other than ATF of CF.
True?
SJG
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Once you start doing OTC's with her, especially regularly, doesn't that make her your Mistress or Paramour or something else? I mean, you don't need to go to the club anymore to find her. You just text her.
Am I missing something?
SJG
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All Time Freak
Anyway, if I"m seeing a stripper outside the club, and I wanted to use an accurate term for her other than "stripper", well, girlfriend, mistress, and paramour are not even remotely accurate. The accurate word is "prostitute" -- since the point of the interaction is trading sex and time for money
I was just curious, and hold no grudges if your opinions differ. I have someone that could become my ATF, but my dick hasn't been in her yet and she can't have that title until that has happened! Lol
I don't see it this way. The primary job of a stripper is to put on a strip show, and usually this is at a strip club.
Now, things have progressed, so sometimes strippers also service you, at the strip club.
So if you are seeing her and communicating with her outside of the club, would you be comfortable calling her your 'Escort", but not your 'ATF'?
SJG
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Well that must be where I differ from others, and the one place where Rick Dugan comes to mind... If I find a stripper I like, my goal is to get her to meet me outside the club. It doesn't always work, but that's still my goal, to get to know her on in a more intimate way, regardless of what I can get away with inside the club with her.
Now, I do this and get away with it because I almost always have a hotel room available when I am out clubbing. I imagine my approach would be totally different if I was just at home, in my hometown going to a certain local club without a hotel room ready at my disposal.
But the issue is, are they still serving as strippers when they do this with you, and is it accurate to continue to refer to them as 'ATF'.
As I see it, when you start seeing them outside, especially regularly, or even just communicating with them outside, then you have made them into you Escort, Sugar Baby, Paramour, Girl Friend, Mistress, or something else.
My original exposure to strip clubs was back before cell phones, when women were much more cautious with their telephone numbers. So typically a stripper, often refered to as an Exotic Dancer or Go-Go Dancer, at say the Sunnyvale Brass Rail, was someone who put on a show and fed a visual fantasy. But as there was normally no way of contacting her outside of the club, that was usually all you got.
Now true, if someone really wants, they can try to exchange phone numbers, but back then women were more careful about phone numbers, and less of them did OTC.
So there were multiple times at the Brass Rail where I gave out my phone number, but the girl would not give out hers. But she would promise to call, and she did call. Others I met with at their secondary work places, like cutting hair or in a lingerie store.
Back then we had this Spectator Magazine, and one Dave Patrick wrote an article about dating strippers. The example he gave was one working in these peep show places, so she is always behind glass. He explained that it was common that they would be extra careful with their phone numbers and that you would probably need to have a safe date or two, like lunch, before you could get her phone number. They need to be careful because of the venue.
Also, at those strip clubs the reason I got along well with some of the girls was specifically because I was not trying to set up P4P OTC, but was always treating them 100% like civilians.
Now today, things have changed. In many places other than Santa Clara County, there is lots more going on in strip clubs. And most everywhere women are less careful with their phone numbers, because of cell phones and caller id. It is however common for them to give out phone numbers but then never be willing to talk on the phone with you.
I have known women who call their work place a strip club and presumably call themselves strippers, who I am sure would never even consider doing P4P OTC, talking with someone trying to set that up, or doing ITC anything which would be considered an 'extra'.
I think the real issue is just for guys being willing to get real about how involved they are with these women. Here we read accounts of people having handed over tens of tens of thousands of dollars and of being heavily involved in the personal affairs of a young woman, but still calling her their ATF.
We hear of texting back and forth all day long with a young woman and being involved in all sorts of drama with her, but she is still their ATF.
I don't go along with this and I think these guys are hurting themselves by holding to their distorted view of the situation.
AMP girls have often invited me to outside sessions. Sometimes this was just an escort invitation. Othertimes they wanted a personal relationship and this was just a non-threatening kind of bait offer.
But either way I would consider her to be my Escort, no longer just a Massage Girl.
SJG
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