Feast of the Beheading of John the Baptist (Why some Christian churches have a
Hugh_G_Rection
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Besides the general "anti- adultery anti- fortification" rhetoric most Evangelical and mainstream Christian churches have against our hobby, here is another reason
they have a special sore spot against erotic dancing.
In the new testament accounts, John the Baptist had denounced King Herod for divorcing his wife and marrying his sister-in-law, Herodias.
John was thrown in jail but Herodias wanted to shut him up permanently.
At King Herod's next birthday Herodias had her daughter Salome dance for Herod and the wedding guests. The biblical accounts say she "pleased him greatly" and he promised to fulfill anything she wished, up to half his kingdom.
Salome asked her mother what she would should ask of Herod, and Herodias wanted Salome to ask for John the Baptist's head on a platter. Herod, in a drunken state, reluctantly agreed.... and according to this narrative John the Baptist was beheaded and the head was presented, as per the request.
Of course, John the Baptist was the first cousin of Jesus, his messenger, and the authority who performed (at Jesus' request) what was to become the Sacrament of Baptism on Jesus. So according to their 'faith', Evangelicals believe that what happened in the ancient Judean equivalent of the VIP room was directly responsible for the execution and martyrdom of their Mesiah's cousin and perhaps the second most sanctified man next to the messiah himself.
This may explain in part the hostility some churches have to a titty bar or similar Sexually oriented business springing up in their neighborhood. They literally have a 2000 year old chip on their shoulder over the Martyrdom of John the Baptist.
Obviously us PL's and clubmongers have a different agenda, but it still gives food for thought:
1) Salome had her mother as housemom/manager, who had her do a 'bachelor party' on her stepdad's birthday. Wow, in this day of age that would be subject matter for Jerry Springer or Doctor Dru.
2) The gospel account said Herod was 'greatly pleased' by Salome's dance. I wonder if he LDK'ed ??
3) Half the Kingdom or the Head of a Prophet? Sounds like Stripperflation was well known age of the Roman Empire! Dude, just give her 20 Denari or make it rain....
And come to think about it, they probably had StripperWeb on Papyrus back in those days.....
Besides the general "anti- adultery anti- fortification" rhetoric most Evangelical and mainstream Christian churches have against our hobby, here is another reason
they have a special sore spot against erotic dancing.
In the new testament accounts, John the Baptist had denounced King Herod for divorcing his wife and marrying his sister-in-law, Herodias.
John was thrown in jail but Herodias wanted to shut him up permanently.
At King Herod's next birthday Herodias had her daughter Salome dance for Herod and the wedding guests. The biblical accounts say she "pleased him greatly" and he promised to fulfill anything she wished, up to half his kingdom.
Salome asked her mother what she would should ask of Herod, and Herodias wanted Salome to ask for John the Baptist's head on a platter. Herod, in a drunken state, reluctantly agreed.... and according to this narrative John the Baptist was beheaded and the head was presented, as per the request.
Of course, John the Baptist was the first cousin of Jesus, his messenger, and the authority who performed (at Jesus' request) what was to become the Sacrament of Baptism on Jesus. So according to their 'faith', Evangelicals believe that what happened in the ancient Judean equivalent of the VIP room was directly responsible for the execution and martyrdom of their Mesiah's cousin and perhaps the second most sanctified man next to the messiah himself.
This may explain in part the hostility some churches have to a titty bar or similar Sexually oriented business springing up in their neighborhood. They literally have a 2000 year old chip on their shoulder over the Martyrdom of John the Baptist.
Obviously us PL's and clubmongers have a different agenda, but it still gives food for thought:
1) Salome had her mother as housemom/manager, who had her do a 'bachelor party' on her stepdad's birthday. Wow, in this day of age that would be subject matter for Jerry Springer or Doctor Dru.
2) The gospel account said Herod was 'greatly pleased' by Salome's dance. I wonder if he LDK'ed ??
3) Half the Kingdom or the Head of a Prophet? Sounds like Stripperflation was well known age of the Roman Empire! Dude, just give her 20 Denari or make it rain....
And come to think about it, they probably had StripperWeb on Papyrus back in those days.....
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Q Why do Baptists think it's a sin to fuck while standing up?
A Because it looks so much like dancing.
ROTFLMAO
You reminded me of a quip from the late George Carlin on one of his HBO shows, where George stated there were three great religious truths:
1) Jews do not recognize Jesus to be their Messiah;
2) Protestants do not recognize the Pope to be the head of the Christian faith; and
3) Baptists do not recognize each other at Hooters or at the liquor store.
Besides, I seriously doubt most evangelicals have given the matter that much thought. They might use something like that as a rationalization, but their real reasons are that they seek to control the behaviour of others.
And before anyone gives me shit about dumping on conservative types, the so-called "liberals", who aren't anything of the sort, so the same thing, just with different things and for different reasons.
In the Middle East, 2,000 years ago, any dude with enough money could get fully nude lap dances with extras from all the step-daughters he wanted. Just like today, rich dudes can get would up enough to think with their little head and offer anything - even someone else's head on a platter - for another blow job. Just like today, the rules that applied to clubs (or public venues) in town (Jerusalem) were seldom enforced when rich guys (Herod - or even Farmerart) brought strippers (or step daughters, or nieces) to their house (Herod's palace). If Herrod had tried that over at Pontius Pilate's (Roman Governor of the area) house in Jerusalem, it would have caused a whole mess of problems.
As a pack, group, or society, we all attempt to enforce rules that prevent others from encroaching on our hunting grounds, our pride, our females. One, long established means of controlling others and limiting the mayhem of "defending" as many females as we can feed and fuck, is religion. But the rules of society, as created by religion or by elected governments, generally limit the number of females and impose some onerous sanctions for overstepping the limit. This is not about politics, or race, or Popes, or sticking their prude noses into "my" business, it is the remaining structure of social rules that kept humans from killing massive numbers of other humans for thousands of years.
Is is a pain in the balls (sometimes literally) when your favorite club is raided, or changes the rules to limit extras, or has to remove the VIP booths - all because of some stupid local rule? Certainly! Does society need to stop being absurdly, inconsistently, hypocritically, prudishly making rules about what can and cannot happen in strip clubs? Mostly!!!!!
Remember - even we TUSCLers disagree about what is OK in a strip club. Those prude "evangelicals" are liberal horn-dogs next to the ISIS crazy mo-fos. The Baptists, at least, do not insist upon burkas. And, even before the current socialist Pope, the Roman Catholics, were loosening up a little. The day may be comming when Hong Kong/Adelitas type clubs are both common and legal in your neighborhood. Then again, the social rules may change by swinging the other way and bars like Fridays may be declared obscene because the waitresses are not in burkas!
"My life objective is not to live as a Pathetic Loser, but to live like King Herod the Great."
Usually though they say it was the second Herod who did the beheading. I like the first Herod because he was stronger ruler.
SJG
https://sites.google.com/site/sjgportal/…
Salome, by Oscar Wilde
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMO4Qi4A…
Oh yeah, SJC. Herod 1 was a real peach, killing every male child under the age of 2 because he was afraid. Yeah, a real strong kinda guy.
About religion and erotic dance, this also gets in to something much deeper. Women dancing, belly dance, sexy dressing and cosmetics, it all gets to the ancient world's pagan temples. That was where sex was done as a form of worship of the goddess. So the woman is a priestess and she transimpersonates the goddess. She gives herself to the petitioner as a part of her own vocation.
It kind of has to be this way, or it is going to be a power struggle between the two partners, and over matters of social conformity.
Anyone who has ever been married knows this.
All three Abrahamic faiths were invented for the singular reason of exterminating this pagan goddess religion of liturgical sex.
I on the other hand am committed to rebuilding and extending it.
SJG
https://sites.google.com/site/sjgportal/…
Great Depression
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv5E0y5D…
He, like the Romans, was afraid of the people, and for good reason.
Yes, Herod was a Roman puppet, but not as much so as his son would be. And also, the son was pussy whipped. At least this is how he is depicted. Herod the Great would not have been pussy whipped.
As far as pagans, I'm not interested in the modern neo-pagans. I don't really care for their stuff.
SJG
https://sites.google.com/site/sjgportal/…
https://www.amazon.com/Why-Men-Hate-Goin…
They must be living in places without Viet Coffee.
Maybe some of our church going folks would be able to answer this?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/25953606@N…
SJG
Killing Me Softley
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4USer34…