Prostitution and Strip Clubs . . .

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• Kyle1111

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  20 years ago

  It is funny the dancer who felt TOO MUCH (for her boyfriend) is probably one of the few people who could have really understood why I prefer to pay for sex. It seems like an extreme majority of the people I know regardless of gender don't have super intense feelings. Boyfriend is being a pest, then dump him. Girlfriend is being a pest, then dump her. So simple and so easy. In a way I'm the same. A dancer makes my heart race and the next day it might be someone else. The key, for me, is the $$$. Without that insulation I may very well get too attached to the other person and that is NOT a good situation for me. Some people they're attached and then unattached. They really don't feel what it is like to have emotions that are as strong as any drug. I avoid illegal drugs because I view the society as fairly blood thirsty and the benefits of drug usage e.g. new perspectives or highs or bonding or etc. don't even remotely compare to pain society can inflict. Sex on the other hand is for me a primary drive. Society can terrorize legally and illegally to its heart's content to try and stamp out prostitution and I will continue to seek out that form of sexual pleasure. It is like if I was addicted to booze, the society could do its terrorism game and I would still continue to drink. Of course, if there was a 30 minute jail stay for drinking I wouldn't even consider touching booze. Now, chocolate I might risk a year. Marijuana--again a 30 day jail stay is enough to frighten me from even thinking about that forbidden pleasure. :)
• Kyle1111

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  20 years ago

  The dancer who offered me the "free" sex may have had low self-esteem. I didn't grow up with her and really I just considered myself a customer who was lucky to purchase her services. It was her dancer friends who were trying to "save" her that got me involved. The first words out of my mouth were "I'm just her customer." I did try and help and she actually listened to me, but in the end I was useless to her. I could really feel where she was coming from. I didn't have a good solution. She needed LOVE and I'm the last person who should give that to her because it is TOO MUCH for me to deal handle. The LOVE she was feeling for her boyfriend was TOO MUCH. I understood that. I just didn't know how to solve the problem without digging a hole for myself. Her dancer buddies were sure she had low self-esteem. I really think she simply felt TOO MUCH. She was NOT raised to consider sex a big deal. And, why would that be surprising? Some cultures are very open sexually. She appeared to have been raised in a culture that considered sex to be good and to be shared with others. Some people might consider that evidence of low self-esteem. I mean if a girl doesn't think sex is sacred then she must of been sexually abused, etc. It's like this guy I knew. He was in love with alcohol. He could NOT stay away from the stuff. Very sad. So he gets this idiotic idea that I'm in love with alcohol too. Too make a long story short he gives me $3,000 to stop drinking for a month. It was easy because then I had plenty of additional money to purchase sexual services from hotties. :)
• Kyle1111

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  20 years ago

  Hi Hellaella, I was living with the girl for a good part of my life. She wasn't just HOT. She was SUPER HOT. And, she understoof full well why she was receiving all the unusual attention. Her face was perfect. Her smile was perfect. Her body was perfect. Her hair was perfect. She was a Goddess. :) She didn't have low self-esteem when I knew her. She had a real fear of losing her extreme beauty because she understood full well the benefits and fun it afforded her. Most girls were dogs by comparison. Sex abuse? I was living with her and her family. If there was any abuse, then there is NO way they would allow me to stay with them. She liked sex BIG TIME. She liked GIFTS. She liked men/boys. She liked the SUPER FAST HIGHWAY of life. She was very sweet and nice to me and she didn't have to be. She was very sweet and nice to other people and she didn't have to be. She LOVED drugs and reading and games. She was on top of the world when I knew her. BTW, one of my sisters had a very similar problem with being too HOT. But, she really didn't care for guys. And, she preferred gaining weight. Lots of weight. She didn't appreciate guys begging her for a date or drooling over her. She sure as hell didn't have low self-esteem. She's one very bright lady and really was way too intelligent.
• hellaella

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  20 years ago

  Um Kyle. You might want to seek professional help. You think those girls are actually doing this shit because they consider themselves hot and have high self esteem..gimme a break. You are a man, I am a woman and a dancer and I feel I know just a bit more about the psychology that goes behind this stuff. What you said is completely sick and demented. I cant believe you believe this shit. People throw up their food not because they want to have a hot body....they do it because of a void inside themselves. They are trying to fill it up and then the control issues come it so they throw the food up. I have been struggling with this for 8 years. I know a lot of other girls as well that do this. Your friend needs help badly. She had very poor self esteem and was probably badly sexually abused growing up as a child. Its like you guys walk around in this fucking fantasy that makes you believe these girls actually tell you the truth and enjoy hurting themselves for your sick pleasure.
• Kyle1111

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  20 years ago

  Some years back a really sweet dancer who'd I'd known for years offered me "free" sex because she thought it was depressing that I was paying for it. I really appreciated her offer. :) She couldn't see how anyone would pay for sex. She was almost perfect, btw. I drool just thinking about her and she was as sweet as she was hot. The sad thing was she was giving most of her $$$ to her boyfriend. But, that was different she told me because she was doing it because she loved him. And, since she could get all the "free" sex she wanted she was NOT paying for sex. Yep, she was right. She was getting "free" sex. I turned down her very generous offer, which got her very briefly pissed until I asked her if she wanted me to fall in love with her. She didn't understand. I explained that paying protected me from feelings which were too intense and that unless there $$$ involved I might start behaving like a boyfriend. She finally understood, but still was opposed to me paying for sex from other dancers. She wanted me to find a nice girl, perhaps, just like she found a nice boyfriend . . . That was definitely a person who I cared about.
• hellaella

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  20 years ago

  I find it terribly sad that some people have to buy sex. Thankgod I dont.
• Kyle1111

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  20 years ago

  Hi Hellaella, most women feel like they don't have to buy sex. That's true and false. One of the most stunning girls that I ever knew (she's the one who became a cheap prostitute) was attracting men for sex like she was BK offering the 99 cent Whopper plus a free large Coke. Of course, the men were offering "free" sex. And, I believe she even considered it "free" sex. Well, I was very close to her for many years. Part of the reason she was so stunning was because she would "throw-up" her food after eating. When I asked why she was doing this she explained that she needed to keep her hot body because she enjoyed all the attention (sex) showered upon her and this was an easy way to stay slim. The point is even if she was working out to keep the hot body that is a price she is willing to pay for (attention) sex. Let's say she was a fat slob. Yes, I think she'd still be getting offers for "free" sex. I just question whether it is actually "free." I'm definitely NOT willing to workout and stay in shape for "free" sex. Many many guys I know think they are getting "free" sex. And, they might be. ;) The reason I say that is if their "free" sex partner looks like a Dolphin Offensive lineman there is a surprisng chance that they don't care what she looks like. She could be covered is sores and they would be happy campers as long as it is "free" sex. Most of them aren't getting "free" sex, imo, because they are like trained monkeys doing whatever is required to seal the deal. Anyway, I can't wondering if you might be better off paying for sex. You might be better off "throwing-up" after every meal or getting fake titties or letting your partner beat the hell out of you. Depending on the person this might be a cheap price to pay for "free" sex. Who knows. I knew this one guy who bragged that he didn't have to pay for sex. He also didn't want ANY sex because he believed only animals did that.
• Kyle1111

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  20 years ago

  A little rumination and I realized how fortunate I was that the dancer didn't morph into combination tattle-tail and cop-woman when I inquired about full service. :) I was so tempted to ask her if she would accept a payment plan. ;) This particular club is mob controlled if you believe the The Herald and some of the dancers so perhaps a payment plan could be arranged. Naw, the damn iterest is probably higher than the title loans . . .
• FONDL

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  20 years ago

  SuperDude, I completely disagree. Sure there are areas where strip clubs are being shut down, but that's been true for decades. I'm old enough to remember when every city had a red light district and streetwalkers were common, but that all changed a long time ago. I bet there are more strip clubs in the US today than at any other time in our history, and the number keeps growing. Which is one reason strippers often don't make as much as they used to, there's too much competition. Without question the industry is changing, thanks primarily to the Internet and to tighter rules regarding expense accounts, but I don't see any evidence that clubs are being shut down any more than in the past. And for every one that gets shut down, two new ones open somewhere else. Yes the country is becoming more conservative in some respects, but in others we're becoming more liberal. Morals are changing, but they do in every generation. And depending on your point of view, they're either getting better or worse.
• Kyle1111

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  20 years ago

  The excuse of prostitution is hardly necessary to shut down strip clubs assuming there is some "conservative" trend now sweeping the country. The drug war, money laundering, children, etc. can be used. And, this "consevative" trend would for some reason tolerate its young women stripping for $$$, if NOT for prostitution? The only trend I see sweeping the country is corruption and coercion and cognitive cessation. BTW, the last prices I received for full service was $250 in the club and $400 outside the club. The stripper was just perfect physically and personality wise. As it was she pretty much emptied my wallet and if I had $400 on me it would surely have been gone--I definitely need to limit how $$$ I bring to the strip club. Reminds of a friend many years ago who signed over his paid for car to a stripper--the car was worth about $3,000 to $5,000. Of course, that is better than the guy who traded his wheels for $100 in drugs. His rationale was that it was better he received a lot less for the vehicle so he was able to afford less drugs. :)
• Kyle1111

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  20 years ago

  It is funny I was looking for bargains at the County store and came across old grand jury reports from the 1950's and 1960's. Prostitution was in the club scene and the concern of the grand jury was the extortion racket some police were engaging in i.e. threatening to shut the clubs down unless payoffs were made. The same deal is alive and well in 2004. This very sweet dancer (my fav at the time) got busted for prostitution. I asked her why in hell wouldn't you sell to me!? She answered that she didn't sell to anyone and if she was going to do that I'd be at the top of list because I treat her right. The police were just pressuring the club for $$$. Once the $$$ was paid, then the girls were free to do whatever. It is just a sleazy little game. Fake outrage to extort some cash. Of course, my fav got off relatively easy--the court just wanted $$$ also. The only real concern she had was how the conviction would affect her in the future. I assume she can pay more $$$ to a lawyer and that little problem will disappear as well. At one time I was very conservative when it came to theft. I just had very little sympathy for those who steal, if they could work. Now, seeing how the court system and government is I feel ashamed that these little two bit thieves are being jailed. My father had his new car stolen. He didn't want to call the police and only reluctantly called after I explained that he might held liable if the thief crash the car
• SuperDude

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  20 years ago

  The prostitution activity in and around strip clubs is the main threat to their continued existence. A conservative trend, no sweeping the country, will close more clubs and cause the industry to shrink and wither.
• Kyle1111

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  20 years ago

  My uncle was gay (he died of Aids) and he had NO interest at all in sexual relations with women. To him it wasn't a choice. There was just NO interest. Still well meaning people kept trying fix him up with one nice girl after the other . . . They were convinced that he just hadn't met the right girl or perhaps he just needed a little sexual experience with the right girl or he needed stronger religious convictions, etc. It always shocks me that so many people think it is a choice. And, I've learned that for some people it merely is a choice. Anyway, I have well meaning people trying to convince me that I'm interested in women my own age. I just need to meet the right woman, etc. The fact is that for me it is NOT a choice anymore than it would be a choice to start dating men. Like my uncle use to tell me "If I could choose to like women instead of men, then I sure as hell would because life would be so much easier." He couldn't imagine anyone choosing to be gay. If I could choose to like women my own age, then I sure as hell would. The fact is I have a lot more in common with a lady my age than a lady 20 years younger. Another problem well meaning people have is that overwhelmingly they don't like the idea of me paying for sex. I don't really get great explanations. One lady my age says its against the law, well, she should talk given her law breaking exploits. She explains that that is different because she breaks the law for $$$. So I ask her about her drug use. She answers that everyone is doing it. So I ask if everyone was buying sexual services it would be OK? She says YES. :) Another friend, a male my age, explains it is wrong because sex should be free. So I ask if health care should be free? He says definitely. So I explain to him that he should NO longer pay his doctor or drug retailers since by his way of thinking that would be wrong. Just take it for free. :) Another friend says I'm too good to pay for that. Well, I'm old and out of shape. I'm not part of the mainstream culture. My income is erratic and based on most of my friend's and family's wealth/income pitifully low. The point is it is hard for me to imagine NOT paying for the service and quality I need. Why would I want a real relationship with someone who is still growing and may very well be a totally diferent person in a short time. Why would I want a real relationship with someone who is travelling in the fast lane of life and I prefer relative safety. I just don't see why a need for quality sex should equal a real realtionship. Yes, there are a few hotties giving it away for "free" and that is supposed to be better? I just don't see it. A young hottie wants to give an old out of shape man free sex. Yes, there is a possiblity. But, really it seems like begging for trouble. I knew a hottie, like that, good girl, but damn I'd rather pay her any day of the week. She had too many real problems. Still, she was hot young and "free." I'll choose paid everytime. "Free" scares the living hell out of me. I like the strip clubs for finding a nice attractive prostitute.
• Kyle1111

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  20 years ago

  MisterBliss are you getting dances where there is frottage or roaming/helping hands? If so that sure seems like a form of prostitution. In fact depending on the jurisdiction I believe it probably is defined as prostitution. Some strippers express anger to me that so and so is offering full service or half service or whatever. The anger is because they believe it makes it harder for them to say NO and still make a decent income. I'm NOT sure they are correct . . . if NO contact was allowed I would NOT go to strip clubs. Because I tip ALL the dancers that is a loss of income to the strippers. If minimal contact was allowed, then again I would NOT be spending money at the strip clubs. So the point is if all the girls were NO contact allowed type girls would the customers still be coming? Maybe may be NOT. A similar problem is the super hot dancer. Other dancers often believe she is taking their customers. Perhaps or perhaps NOT. I go looking for the super hot and will often settle to be sociable. However, unless there is a reasonable expectation of finding super hot, then I will NOT go at all. Super hot dancers, where I'm concerned, actually help the less attractive dancers make money. They don't realize that I will NOT come and spend $$$ unless I have a reasonable chance of finding a super hot dancer. There are so many times I've spent $$$ on so so looking dancers because the super hot didn't show . . . So you dancers who are pissed because you think more $$$ would be yours if the other dancers weren't such sluts or so hot or whatever ***STOP AND THINK*** -- the other girls might actually be making you $$$ by being there. Yes, I realize that is NOT always the case . . . and it is difficult to quantify . . . BTW, a dancer who gets angry merely because the customer asks to do more business with her??? That is one sensitive dancer . . . she wouldn't last a night at the clubs I go to because the other dancers would eat her alive-- NOT to mention the poor customer who wants to spend more $$$ on her. If a customer wants to spend more $$$ on a service you don't wish to provide, then simply graciously decline and be happy he thinks so much of you that he wants MORE OF YOU!!! :)
• MisterBliss

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  20 years ago

  Boy, what a meaty discussion this has become. Interesting to see what's in people's minds sometimes. Anyway, to further elucidate my contribution to the topic... I've never purchased sex, from stripper or otherwise (some people think of the goings-on of their monogamous relationships as paying for sex, I don't). The idea seems mostly wrong-headed to me. Practically, because it's still against the law. Personally, because I think doing that would put me into a place spiritually that I don't think I could come back from. I like the SCs because it's the only place where it's more socially acceptable to stare. I also like to drink my drink, smoke my smoke, and look at all of the pretty ladies around me. What's better is that these things can be done without being in a hurry, or concerning myself with particularly offending anyone. And for a little money, I can see more of the pretty ladies. You know what's funny; I've paid to see some women unclothed that I wouldn't have given a second glance to anywhere else in the world. Which brings me to the one lady I mentioned earlier. I've seen her at work for more than a year now, and we've had many, many conversations between my smoke and drink (and more than our share of dances, to be sure). It troubles me greatly that any person can make me even *imagine* buying sex. What can I say, she's got the hook in me. It also troubles me that after a year of conversations, laughs, and tears (hers - not mine), she doesn't know me at all - which is to say that I've never done anything to give her the impression that I am the sort that does work with trade girls. Although, this could also mean that she knows me better than I knew *myself* on this subject. But then, I suppose it speaks to who *she* is as well. Funny, I guess neither of us is who I thought we were.
• Kyle1111

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  20 years ago

  Perhaps it wasn't a couple years back. Maybe just a year back. I dunno I lose track of time. The *some* stripper I was specifically thinking about when writing the post is the one who sold me the best sex that I've ever had. She made several comments about sex being NO big deal and how she had lots of experience, but that she believed her skill was just natural--NOT something learned. Anyhow, she also said there is sex and there is love. Sex could be with almost anyone who is ok looking and disease free. It is a release that people need. Sex is good. Love on the other hand is THE BIG DEAL. She claimed that I was confusing the two. And, that is where the problem seemed to start. I told her that I was seeking a fantasy relationship. I liked her because she was fantastic looking and fantastic in bed and cool to talk with. But, that I had NO interest in real love or a real relationship--just the fantasy. At that point she said she wasn't going to sell me love--in her view that is earned over time with the right person. I said fine because I wasn't trying to buy love. At this point I thought things were clear . . . I don't know what it was, but, that girl was beyond perfect. Chemistry, looks, personality, skill. Just super WOW!!! :) Way too much. Why the hell did she have to such a pest . . . make some $$$ make me happy . . . life sucks.
• Kyle1111

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  20 years ago

  I specifically said *some* strippers. Just like *some* prostitutes actually enjoy sex with some customers some of the time. (BTW, my best friend's girlfriend got super pissed by the idea that a prostitute ever enjoys sex with a customer. She was yapping about how stupid I was etc. etc. She was the expert because was in the business etc. etc. She only shut-up when her boyfriend told her that I was right. She was stunned to say the least. She wanted to hire the hookers, for herself, that I was getting service from. :) ) So, for example, my former employee (I owned a used book store) had NO problem having sex with just about any white male who wasn't married. She thought marriage was very important for who knows what reason. Anyway, she would NOT have sex for $$$ even after she became a dancer. I asked her why the hell NOT because she was damn eager for sex and was proud of her ability and conquests and she got plenty of offers. She said it was because her mom was a prostitute . . .
• grrldancer

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  20 years ago

  What makes you think we have "no qualms" about giving sex away? I think that is a huge misconception about strippers-that we have "no qualms" about giving up sex. Most of the dancers I've met are either single and not looking, or involved in monogamous relationships. Please don't stereotype us all.
• Kyle1111

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  20 years ago

  Best sex ever--by far--was a couple years back from a young stripper. She was really cool. She had NO price in mind, but when pressed she mentioned a few things she had to have. I explained that I really had NO idea how much that translated into and that I wanted to make her happy. She reluctantly gave me a price which was super cheap. So, I doubled the amount and told she was fantastic. (She would have been a steal at double the amount I paid). Anyway, I see her back at the club about two weeks later. She's in a super bad mood. She's telling me she's NOT that type of girl and a lot of other stuff. I told her she sure fooled me. She says she merely tried it and decided that is NOT the life for her. Almost a year later at a different club she still has the anger. I really don't see what the big deal is . . . it is NOT like she was a virgin or any thing. She seemed to like me and the money. What the hell is the hangup some strippers have with charging for what they have NO qualms about giving away? I liked that stripper BIG TIME. And, if I was young and had little experience I'd definitely be interested in her as a girlfriend.
• Kyle1111

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  20 years ago

  Bought a private lap dance over at Gold something and the dancer was exactly what I like. Anyway, she had fairly strict rules which basically equated to one way contact only. What I thought was super sweet was that she offered me the option of a refund or another dancer. :) Surprisingly, she was born and raised in America and yet she had NO desire to call the cops or see me jailed. Wow! She actually wanted me to have a good time! Double Wow!! She gave a very nice very conservative dance and that was that except that I asked if there was any chance she might consider an outside date. She said NO and apologized. Triple Wow!!! Eyes rumanateen her bee fibben bout being bred 'n born en America. She's sweet 'n strange stripper . . . shant a stereotypical American . . .
• Kyle1111

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  20 years ago

  You ask. You're denied or accepted. What is the big deal? Let's pretend I'm NOT interested in paid sex, but want a meaningful relationship with a potential soulmate. I ask. The lady says the equivalent of yes, no, or maybe. Again, what is the big deal? Of course, some ladies want to think every overture by a male is evil unless the lady wanted the overture.
• FONDL

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  20 years ago

  Kitana, you are absolutely right that most dancers are not whores. Every dancer I've ever known complained about guys constantly asking for "dates." But I also know that in most clubs there are always a few girls who do meet guys after hours for $$$. And that's why some guys keep asking. So don't blame it on just the guys. If none of the girls ever said yes they'd all stop asking.
• Kyle1111

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  20 years ago

  Kitana007, you are clearly a good American. America is the world's No.1 prison state by far . . . hope you don't get into any legal probs sweet pea . . . theys plenty of good Americans running loose just like you . . .
• kitana007

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  20 years ago

  1111 all I can say is WTF?! Are you serious? If so I have lost all respect for you and nothing you could potentially do would change my mind again. I will repeat this yet again! STRIP CLUBS are not the place to find hookers! We are dancers, there for your visual stimulation. I can honestly say this, if you ever came into my club and asked me to have sex with you for money, I would tell you no, and report you to the mgmt. and the police. Hope you get your butt stuck in jail for a little while too. but that's just my 0.02 Kitana
• Kyle1111

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  20 years ago

  Oops . . . I need to be a little more careful. Her sister NOT she sister. :) I am a grade school drop out, but I like to give the appearance of being literate . . . Damn neighbor kid is trying educate me with his homework . . . reminds me why I quit school . . . it was complete toture, but then I've got a fairly low pain threshold. That especially ain't a good quality growing up in the streets of hell.
• Kyle1111

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  20 years ago

  Get the quality I NEED for free? Not likely. And, NOT worth the price. A real relationship involves super charged emotions. I've done that. And, it was good. Too good. I'll stay with the sex for $$$. :)
• Kyle1111

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  20 years ago

  Speaking of quality. I went to the local club last night. This one hottie who usually ignores me showed interest because the club was almost completely dead. Anyway I bought some dances and learned that her skin was not as smooth as I require. Well, there aren't that many women whom I consider to be hotties. But, boy, the field gets super narrow when considering how she feels and smells and talks and her skills compared to my likes. So at this point we are talking a needle in a hay stack. Now, assume I find the perfect woman with all of the above. What are the odds she is going to be interested in me? Even 50% would be depressing because she represents such a tiny minority of women that I drool over. Fortunately, for me, she sister has almost everything I demand. Looks, feel, smell, skill, personality, etc. She grades a little low in one area a super important area but she is as close to perfect as I've seen in aeons (sp?). Do you think she would be interested in me? Perhaps. Do I want that intense real relationship. Hell NO! I'm wayyyyy tooooo olddddd for that game. :)
• Jpac73

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  20 years ago

  Why pay a whore for sex when you can get it free?? Spend less time on the streets and in the stripclubs and change your focus to finding a real realtionship.
• Kyle1111

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  20 years ago

  Hi MisterBliss, you're a little ashamed of playing the lottery? Well, a lot of people are. But hey sometimes you have to take a dumb gamble now and then to hit the gusher. A little ashamed of paying or wanting to pay for sex? That's common too. Generally there is a price to be paid for the good things in life even if the price is not obvious. Just appreciating a beautiful sunset takes time. Getting that special lady takes time plus whatever . . . good looks, dancing skill, humor, fancy clothes, compassion, intelligence, lack of intelligence, a job . . . whatever. Unless I'm looking for a soul mate, then I'd rather reduce the price to time plus $$$. I believe I could play the "game" i.e. use clothing or cars or humor or whatever to reach the same end, but that ain't me. So unless it is a soul mate I'm hunting $$$ will do just fine. Yes, there is the social stigma--it's a crime--but, then I'm NOT a social butterfly. Keep the government off my back and I'm a happy camper. I just have very little interest in embracing a social code imposed by lawyers and corrupt court system.
• Kyle1111

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  20 years ago

  When I say the strip clubs were a "definite improvement" that is a little misleading--as I got older and slowly climbed somewhat on the economic ladder safety became a consideration. Young and poor equals almost a death wish or at the very least a complete lack of concern for meeting death--just a little more money makes a big difference to me. OTOH, some people have NO problem with living in poverty. Some of my very best experiences were on the street. Being young and poor and from the street the risks were irrelevant. It was party time. I met a lot of real people i.e. outside mainstream culture. Probably the biggest negative was the drug worshiping. I sympathize with people wanting escape or treating depression or even just wanting the high. The problem was the suspicion my lack of interest in drugs caused. Just try, don't be afraid, etc. It made me laugh inside . . . I had tried and some drugs are good, very good. As far as addictive CHOCOLATE is way, way more addictive than even the hard drugs I tried. Anyway, my interest in drugs was near zero. A beautiful woman gave me so many times the pleasure-- a SUPER HIGH! So there would be this distrust . . . Anyway, despite the blast of the street scene the creeping infirmities of age led me to a safer more staged and more expensive environment--the strip clubs. If I was young, then I might very well be headed back to the streets. Perhaps if I was wealthier I could have created a safe party time that would equal the streets. I haven't really experienced much of a problem with women who can talk a good game, but nothing else. I've been fortunate in that those who talk the good game have been able to deliver an even better performance for the most part. Usually, the women I'm interested in going further with just aren't in that game. Their limit is the PG and R rated scene of the strip clubs. Perhaps if I got further I'd be disappointed. But, I don't push the issue. Those dancers who demand sex or are too eager to give full service cause me to back off . . . safety rears its ugly head again along with a reservation about girls who are too hardcore . . . even if the girl is in heat I prefer less aggression from her at the very start . . .
• MisterBliss

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  20 years ago

  Interesting thoughts from Mr. 1111... I would have to agree about the idea of contact with a stranger (for the most part). Definitely stay off the streets, no good can come of that (particularly where *I* am, this black hole of adult play, Chicago). I've noticed, though, that most of the women *I've* known who were in the business of selling the *idea* of sex really had nothing much to offer when it got down to the brass tacks. They could talk a great game and make a good show, but that was about it. Admittedly, there is someone I would definitely consider buying sex from. She's offered, but the price was definitely not right, and I told her as much (I believe the phrase was, "I could have 20 *better* women for that amount of money"). Admittedly, if I had that kind of money to blow, I'd probably have bitten. She's definitely on the "Things to do when I hit the lottery" list. I'm a little ashamed at that, but at least I'm not BSing myself about it...
• Kyle1111

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  20 years ago

  Also, I have almost zero interest in actually having sex with a lady that I've just met. At the strip club you can hang out over time (a couple weeks) and decide if the woman is someone you like more service from. Assuming I was 100% crazy about an escort the idea of full service so fast is too much. And, with the cost of an escort service and my limited budget limited service would feel like a waste. Limited service from a woman on the street is fine because the price is so reasonable . . . Anyway, it was strip clubs that got me away from the street scene. A definite improvement. The streets are too tough for this old man and were probably too tough when I was young (but, I was too young to know better).