Prostitution and Strip Clubs . . .
Kyle1111
A strip club is perfect because you get to see and feel and communicate BEFORE making a significant financial agreement. Yes, some escort services have a money back policy, but that is like sending food back--NOT something I would want to do and it would be awkward as hell.
To those dancers who complain about prostitution: I'm sure there are many customers who prefer PG and R rated dances. Sometimes I like more and the strip club is definitely a great place to try and find that special hooker who can send you to heaven.
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It seems like an extreme majority of the people I know regardless of gender don't have super intense feelings. Boyfriend is being a pest, then dump him. Girlfriend is being a pest, then dump her. So simple and so easy. In a way I'm the same. A dancer makes my heart race and the next day it might be someone else. The key, for me, is the $$$. Without that insulation I may very well get too attached to the other person and that is NOT a good situation for me. Some people they're attached and then unattached. They really don't feel what it is like to have emotions that are as strong as any drug.
I avoid illegal drugs because I view the society as fairly blood thirsty and the benefits of drug usage e.g. new perspectives or highs or bonding or etc. don't even remotely compare to pain society can inflict. Sex on the other hand is for me a primary drive. Society can terrorize legally and illegally to its heart's content to try and stamp out prostitution and I will continue to seek out that form of sexual pleasure. It is like if I was addicted to booze, the society could do its terrorism game and I would still continue to drink.
Of course, if there was a 30 minute jail stay for drinking I wouldn't even consider touching booze. Now, chocolate I might risk a year. Marijuana--again a 30 day jail stay is enough to frighten me from even thinking about that forbidden pleasure. :)
Her dancer buddies were sure she had low self-esteem. I really think she simply felt TOO MUCH. She was NOT raised to consider sex a big deal. And, why would that be surprising? Some cultures are very open sexually. She appeared to have been raised in a culture that considered sex to be good and to be shared with others.
Some people might consider that evidence of low self-esteem. I mean if a girl doesn't think sex is sacred then she must of been sexually abused, etc. It's like this guy I knew. He was in love with alcohol. He could NOT stay away from the stuff. Very sad. So he gets this idiotic idea that I'm in love with alcohol too. Too make a long story short he gives me $3,000 to stop drinking for a month. It was easy because then I had plenty of additional money to purchase sexual services from hotties. :)
She didn't have low self-esteem when I knew her. She had a real fear of losing her extreme beauty because she understood full well the benefits and fun it afforded her. Most girls were dogs by comparison. Sex abuse? I was living with her and her family. If there was any abuse, then there is NO way they would allow me to stay with them. She liked sex BIG TIME. She liked GIFTS. She liked men/boys. She liked the SUPER FAST HIGHWAY of life. She was very sweet and nice to me and she didn't have to be. She was very sweet and nice to other people and she didn't have to be. She LOVED drugs and reading and games.
She was on top of the world when I knew her.
BTW, one of my sisters had a very similar problem with being too HOT. But, she really didn't care for guys. And, she preferred gaining weight. Lots of weight. She didn't appreciate guys begging her for a date or drooling over her. She sure as hell didn't have low self-esteem. She's one very bright lady and really was way too intelligent.
She couldn't see how anyone would pay for sex. She was almost perfect, btw. I drool just thinking about her and she was as sweet as she was hot. The sad thing was she was giving most of her $$$ to her boyfriend. But, that was different she told me because she was doing it because she loved him. And, since she could get all the "free" sex she wanted she was NOT paying for sex. Yep, she was right. She was getting "free" sex.
I turned down her very generous offer, which got her very briefly pissed until I asked her if she wanted me to fall in love with her. She didn't understand. I explained that paying protected me from feelings which were too intense and that unless there $$$ involved I might start behaving like a boyfriend. She finally understood, but still was opposed to me paying for sex from other dancers. She wanted me to find a nice girl, perhaps, just like she found a nice boyfriend . . .
That was definitely a person who I cared about.
The point is even if she was working out to keep the hot body that is a price she is willing to pay for (attention) sex. Let's say she was a fat slob. Yes, I think she'd still be getting offers for "free" sex. I just question whether it is actually "free." I'm definitely NOT willing to workout and stay in shape for "free" sex.
Many many guys I know think they are getting "free" sex. And, they might be. ;) The reason I say that is if their "free" sex partner looks like a Dolphin Offensive lineman there is a surprisng chance that they don't care what she looks like. She could be covered is sores and they would be happy campers as long as it is "free" sex. Most of them aren't getting "free" sex, imo, because they are like trained monkeys doing whatever is required to seal the deal.
Anyway, I can't wondering if you might be better off paying for sex. You might be better off "throwing-up" after every meal or getting fake titties or letting your partner beat the hell out of you. Depending on the person this might be a cheap price to pay for "free" sex. Who knows.
I knew this one guy who bragged that he didn't have to pay for sex. He also didn't want ANY sex because he believed only animals did that.
I was so tempted to ask her if she would accept a payment plan. ;) This particular club is mob controlled if you believe the The Herald and some of the dancers so perhaps a payment plan could be arranged. Naw, the damn iterest is probably higher than the title loans . . .
The only trend I see sweeping the country is corruption and coercion and cognitive cessation.
BTW, the last prices I received for full service was $250 in the club and $400 outside the club. The stripper was just perfect physically and personality wise. As it was she pretty much emptied my wallet and if I had $400 on me it would surely have been gone--I definitely need to limit how $$$ I bring to the strip club. Reminds of a friend many years ago who signed over his paid for car to a stripper--the car was worth about $3,000 to $5,000. Of course, that is better than the guy who traded his wheels for $100 in drugs. His rationale was that it was better he received a lot less for the vehicle so he was able to afford less drugs. :)
This very sweet dancer (my fav at the time) got busted for prostitution. I asked her why in hell wouldn't you sell to me!? She answered that she didn't sell to anyone and if she was going to do that I'd be at the top of list because I treat her right. The police were just pressuring the club for $$$. Once the $$$ was paid, then the girls were free to do whatever. It is just a sleazy little game. Fake outrage to extort some cash. Of course, my fav got off relatively easy--the court just wanted $$$ also. The only real concern she had was how the conviction would affect her in the future. I assume she can pay more $$$ to a lawyer and that little problem will disappear as well.
At one time I was very conservative when it came to theft. I just had very little sympathy for those who steal, if they could work. Now, seeing how the court system and government is I feel ashamed that these little two bit thieves are being jailed.
My father had his new car stolen. He didn't want to call the police and only reluctantly called after I explained that he might held liable if the thief crash the car
Anyway, I have well meaning people trying to convince me that I'm interested in women my own age. I just need to meet the right woman, etc. The fact is that for me it is NOT a choice anymore than it would be a choice to start dating men. Like my uncle use to tell me "If I could choose to like women instead of men, then I sure as hell would because life would be so much easier." He couldn't imagine anyone choosing to be gay. If I could choose to like women my own age, then I sure as hell would. The fact is I have a lot more in common with a lady my age than a lady 20 years younger.
Another problem well meaning people have is that overwhelmingly they don't like the idea of me paying for sex. I don't really get great explanations. One lady my age says its against the law, well, she should talk given her law breaking exploits. She explains that that is different because she breaks the law for $$$. So I ask her about her drug use. She answers that everyone is doing it. So I ask if everyone was buying sexual services it would be OK? She says YES. :) Another friend, a male my age, explains it is wrong because sex should be free. So I ask if health care should be free? He says definitely. So I explain to him that he should NO longer pay his doctor or drug retailers since by his way of thinking that would be wrong. Just take it for free. :) Another friend says I'm too good to pay for that. Well, I'm old and out of shape. I'm not part of the mainstream culture. My income is erratic and based on most of my friend's and family's wealth/income pitifully low.
The point is it is hard for me to imagine NOT paying for the service and quality I need. Why would I want a real relationship with someone who is still growing and may very well be a totally diferent person in a short time. Why would I want a real relationship with someone who is travelling in the fast lane of life and I prefer relative safety. I just don't see why a need for quality sex should equal a real realtionship. Yes, there are a few hotties giving it away for "free" and that is supposed to be better? I just don't see it. A young hottie wants to give an old out of shape man free sex. Yes, there is a possiblity. But, really it seems like begging for trouble. I knew a hottie, like that, good girl, but damn I'd rather pay her any day of the week. She had too many real problems. Still, she was hot young and "free."
I'll choose paid everytime. "Free" scares the living hell out of me. I like the strip clubs for finding a nice attractive prostitute.
Some strippers express anger to me that so and so is offering full service or half service or whatever. The anger is because they believe it makes it harder for them to say NO and still make a decent income. I'm NOT sure they are correct . . . if NO contact was allowed I would NOT go to strip clubs. Because I tip ALL the dancers that is a loss of income to the strippers. If minimal contact was allowed, then again I would NOT be spending money at the strip clubs. So the point is if all the girls were NO contact allowed type girls would the customers still be coming? Maybe may be NOT.
A similar problem is the super hot dancer. Other dancers often believe she is taking their customers. Perhaps or perhaps NOT. I go looking for the super hot and will often settle to be sociable. However, unless there is a reasonable expectation of finding super hot, then I will NOT go at all. Super hot dancers, where I'm concerned, actually help the less attractive dancers make money. They don't realize that I will NOT come and spend $$$ unless I have a reasonable chance of finding a super hot dancer. There are so many times I've spent $$$ on so so looking dancers because the super hot didn't show . . .
So you dancers who are pissed because you think more $$$ would be yours if the other dancers weren't such sluts or so hot or whatever ***STOP AND THINK*** -- the other girls might actually be making you $$$ by being there. Yes, I realize that is NOT always the case . . . and it is difficult to quantify . . .
BTW, a dancer who gets angry merely because the customer asks to do more business with her??? That is one sensitive dancer . . . she wouldn't last a night at the clubs I go to because the other dancers would eat her alive-- NOT to mention the poor customer who wants to spend more $$$ on her.
If a customer wants to spend more $$$ on a service you don't wish to provide, then simply graciously decline and be happy he thinks so much of you that he wants MORE OF YOU!!! :)
I've never purchased sex, from stripper or otherwise (some people think of the goings-on of their monogamous relationships as paying for sex, I don't). The idea seems mostly wrong-headed to me. Practically, because it's still against the law. Personally, because I think doing that would put me into a place spiritually that I don't think I could come back from.
I like the SCs because it's the only place where it's more socially acceptable to stare. I also like to drink my drink, smoke my smoke, and look at all of the pretty ladies around me.
What's better is that these things can be done without being in a hurry, or concerning myself with particularly offending anyone. And for a little money, I can see more of the pretty ladies. You know what's funny; I've paid to see some women unclothed that I wouldn't have given a second glance to anywhere else in the world.
Which brings me to the one lady I mentioned earlier. I've seen her at work for more than a year now, and we've had many, many conversations between my smoke and drink (and more than our share of dances, to be sure). It troubles me greatly that any person can make me even *imagine* buying sex. What can I say, she's got the hook in me.
It also troubles me that after a year of conversations, laughs, and tears (hers - not mine), she doesn't know me at all - which is to say that I've never done anything to give her the impression that I am the sort that does work with trade girls. Although, this could also mean that she knows me better than I knew *myself* on this subject. But then, I suppose it speaks to who *she* is as well.
Funny, I guess neither of us is who I thought we were.
The *some* stripper I was specifically thinking about when writing the post is the one who sold me the best sex that I've ever had. She made several comments about sex being NO big deal and how she had lots of experience, but that she believed her skill was just natural--NOT something learned.
Anyhow, she also said there is sex and there is love. Sex could be with almost anyone who is ok looking and disease free. It is a release that people need. Sex is good. Love on the other hand is THE BIG DEAL.
She claimed that I was confusing the two. And, that is where the problem seemed to start. I told her that I was seeking a fantasy relationship. I liked her because she was fantastic looking and fantastic in bed and cool to talk with. But, that I had NO interest in real love or a real relationship--just the fantasy. At that point she said she wasn't going to sell me love--in her view that is earned over time with the right person. I said fine because I wasn't trying to buy love. At this point I thought things were clear . . .
I don't know what it was, but, that girl was beyond perfect. Chemistry, looks, personality, skill. Just super WOW!!! :) Way too much. Why the hell did she have to such a pest . . . make some $$$ make me happy . . . life sucks.
Just like *some* prostitutes actually enjoy sex with some customers some of the time. (BTW, my best friend's girlfriend got super pissed by the idea that a prostitute ever enjoys sex with a customer. She was yapping about how stupid I was etc. etc. She was the expert because was in the business etc. etc. She only shut-up when her boyfriend told her that I was right. She was stunned to say the least. She wanted to hire the hookers, for herself, that I was getting service from. :) )
So, for example, my former employee (I owned a used book store) had NO problem having sex with just about any white male who wasn't married. She thought marriage was very important for who knows what reason.
Anyway, she would NOT have sex for $$$ even after she became a dancer. I asked her why the hell NOT because she was damn eager for sex and was proud of her ability and conquests and she got plenty of offers. She said it was because her mom was a prostitute . . .
Almost a year later at a different club she still has the anger. I really don't see what the big deal is . . . it is NOT like she was a virgin or any thing. She seemed to like me and the money.
What the hell is the hangup some strippers have with charging for what they have NO qualms about giving away?
I liked that stripper BIG TIME. And, if I was young and had little experience I'd definitely be interested in her as a girlfriend.
Eyes rumanateen her bee fibben bout being bred 'n born en America. She's sweet 'n strange stripper . . . shant a stereotypical American . . .
Let's pretend I'm NOT interested in paid sex, but want a meaningful relationship with a potential soulmate. I ask. The lady says the equivalent of yes, no, or maybe. Again, what is the big deal? Of course, some ladies want to think every overture by a male is evil unless the lady wanted the overture.
America is the world's No.1 prison state by far . . . hope you don't get into any legal probs sweet pea . . . theys plenty of good Americans running loose just like you . . .
but that's just my 0.02
Kitana
Damn neighbor kid is trying educate me with his homework . . . reminds me why I quit school . . . it was complete toture, but then I've got a fairly low pain threshold. That especially ain't a good quality growing up in the streets of hell.
Well, there aren't that many women whom I consider to be hotties. But, boy, the field gets super narrow when considering how she feels and smells and talks and her skills compared to my likes. So at this point we are talking a needle in a hay stack. Now, assume I find the perfect woman with all of the above. What are the odds she is going to be interested in me? Even 50% would be depressing because she represents such a tiny minority of women that I drool over.
Fortunately, for me, she sister has almost everything I demand. Looks, feel, smell, skill, personality, etc. She grades a little low in one area a super important area but she is as close to perfect as I've seen in aeons (sp?). Do you think she would be interested in me? Perhaps. Do I want that intense real relationship. Hell NO! I'm wayyyyy tooooo olddddd for that game. :)
A little ashamed of paying or wanting to pay for sex? That's common too. Generally there is a price to be paid for the good things in life even if the price is not obvious. Just appreciating a beautiful sunset takes time. Getting that special lady takes time plus whatever . . . good looks, dancing skill, humor, fancy clothes, compassion, intelligence, lack of intelligence, a job . . . whatever. Unless I'm looking for a soul mate, then I'd rather reduce the price to time plus $$$. I believe I could play the "game" i.e. use clothing or cars or humor or whatever to reach the same end, but that ain't me. So unless it is a soul mate I'm hunting $$$ will do just fine. Yes, there is the social stigma--it's a crime--but, then I'm NOT a social butterfly. Keep the government off my back and I'm a happy camper. I just have very little interest in embracing a social code imposed by lawyers and corrupt court system.
Some of my very best experiences were on the street. Being young and poor and from the street the risks were irrelevant. It was party time. I met a lot of real people i.e. outside mainstream culture. Probably the biggest negative was the drug worshiping. I sympathize with people wanting escape or treating depression or even just wanting the high. The problem was the suspicion my lack of interest in drugs caused. Just try, don't be afraid, etc. It made me laugh inside . . .
I had tried and some drugs are good, very good. As far as addictive CHOCOLATE is way, way more addictive than even the hard drugs I tried. Anyway, my interest in drugs was near zero. A beautiful woman gave me so many times the pleasure-- a SUPER HIGH! So there would be this distrust . . .
Anyway, despite the blast of the street scene the creeping infirmities of age led me to a safer more staged and more expensive environment--the strip clubs. If I was young, then I might very well be headed back to the streets.
Perhaps if I was wealthier I could have created a safe party time that would equal the streets.
I haven't really experienced much of a problem with women who can talk a good game, but nothing else. I've been fortunate in that those who talk the good game have been able to deliver an even better performance for the most part. Usually, the women I'm interested in going further with just aren't in that game. Their limit is the PG and R rated scene of the strip clubs. Perhaps if I got further I'd be disappointed. But, I don't push the issue. Those dancers who demand sex or are too eager to give full service cause me to back off . . . safety rears its ugly head again along with a reservation about girls who are too hardcore . . . even if the girl is in heat I prefer less aggression from her at the very start . . .
I've noticed, though, that most of the women *I've* known who were in the business of selling the *idea* of sex really had nothing much to offer when it got down to the brass tacks. They could talk a great game and make a good show, but that was about it.
Admittedly, there is someone I would definitely consider buying sex from. She's offered, but the price was definitely not right, and I told her as much (I believe the phrase was, "I could have 20 *better* women for that amount of money"). Admittedly, if I had that kind of money to blow, I'd probably have bitten. She's definitely on the "Things to do when I hit the lottery" list. I'm a little ashamed at that, but at least I'm not BSing myself about it...
Anyway, it was strip clubs that got me away from the street scene. A definite improvement. The streets are too tough for this old man and were probably too tough when I was young (but, I was too young to know better).