New dancers vs the ATFs

I think a diversified approach is important.

ATFs serve a purpose -- they provide reliable ROI. But without risk, there is no reward.

I go about 50/50. Granted, it's maybe been more 75 new/25 ATF since I've started trying to play the OTC game, since more girls weed themselves out as non-ATF material as they're less open to other options. But when one gets a dance from the best looking girl in the club one night, there's a good chance she'll be the best looking girl in the club another night, too.

I'm all about the GFE. Though not impossible with a new dancer, it's much more likely with my ATF.

variety has its place but I mostly view it like Motörhead. I want an intense, consistently awesome GFE. That requires a regular.

I have a club fave almost every club i go to. For variety I just change clubs.

The problem I have some time is the female version of cock blocking, is that vagina blocking? Anyway I have a bunch of favorites but if I want a dance from a new girl and she sees another girl or two already standing in front of me, she'll move to easier pickings. I guess if I want a dance from a new girl either she'll have to get to me first or I'll have to kick a favorite aside which I don't like doing. Of course there's always another club where I don't have hardly any favorites any more. That's the problem with only getting dances at announced two for one times. hmm I suddenly remember a new dancer who skirted that rule at the first club. she claimed the dance room was full so she waited. I have trouble remembering from over a week ago, seems like a lot happened since then.

I definitely like variety. I had been seeing my ATF OTC regularly. It's not that I was getting bored with her but you it just kind of fell into s routine and it was basically the same experience everyth (not that that's a bad thing).

I do like going to the club and getting dances (And extras) from other dancers. I've recently met a new dancer who is definitely has ATF potential and she is close to DS status in the looks department. While I've gotten FS from her ITC, there was no GFE and I don't think there's any potential for OTC either. Of course I also didn't think this would happen with my ATF either but it happened a few months later. As far as looking like my DS she's pretty close; brunette, beautiful blue eyes, gorgeous face, perfect size natural tits (I think I enjoyed squeezing her tits more than any other dancers), and I even like her tattoos.

So while it's nice to get dances from other girls for variety, but is also nice having the ATF that I can go back to. And sometimes after you get bad dances from a different girl it will make you appreciate your ATF even more.

What do you guys mean by GFE in the context of strip clubs?

Making some guesses on what motorhead means by GFE, then I'm in the same boat -- I like the super-intimate, YMMV mind-blowing activities with an ATF best, and often spend many many months with an ATF before I move on, because of how awesome that can be. I always appreciate the hot new girls, but mostly watching them is fine... that is, until I need a new ATF

I do both. No fave can ever keep me from wanting to give it a go with the hot new girl. Mixing it up a bit helps keep the thrill from going stale. Routine is for wedded life, not strip clubs.

"There's always room for Jello".

I get bored easily with the same thing, so variety is what I'm looking for. That being said my CF gives great mileage and is so hot, that whenever I'm at her club I don't get dances with anyone else but her.

@Subra I can't speak for everyone but I consider a GFE in a strip club different from a GFE OTC. Even with my ATF, the GFR ITC and OTC are different. Obviously OTC includes BBBJ, lots of kissing, cuddling, no time constraints, DATY, and usually more than one session per visit.

Even before I got FS from her ITC I still considering her lap dances/VIP time to be more like a GFE than any of the other dancers. Her LD's were very, very sensual. Lots and lots of eye contact and just acted like she was enjoying herself. In the VIP room she would give me HJ's without asking for anything extra, I could DATY, finger her and it just felt like she was I to it even though I know it was just an act.

She would also climb on top of me fully nude while my dick was out. There were a couple time when it was only an inch away from going in her. Most dancers would not be comfortable with that. Eventually I did get FS from her. It's just better than a dancer that just goes through the motions or doesn't act like she is enjoying it.

I remember a while ago there was a discussion on here on saying whether or not it was bad of a dancer put you in the friend zone. Well my ATF has called me her friend on multiple occasions, but I've still gotten OTC BBBJ, FS (both covered and uncovered) DFK and even a little anal (she initiated it, it wasn't something that was on my bucket list).

I need variety. I don't need a club "wife".

footballguy: makes total sense, and that's what I suspected was being meant. General "feels like a girlfriend" rather than a defined laundry list of activities, the way the escort crowd defines GFE. Interestingly enough -- or maybe boringly enough -- the first time I ran into the term GFE was back before the web, when all we had was usenet groups, and it was among the stripclub groups, not the escort groups. The stripclub guys were using it just the way you described above. From my perspective, the escort crowd co-opted the term and made it clinical -- "it's GFE if it hits this exact checkbox of activities"

Good question Subraman. Like footballguy said GFE OTC includes things like: BBFS, BBBJ, DFK, DATY, multiple orgasms. In the strip club, I would think GFE would have to at least include kissing and two way contact.

I think sclvr5005 nailed it :) ranukam ITC GFE does indeed include two way contact (obviously) and some DFK but the right new girl can more than make up for that with the mystery around her. Sometimes the mystery unravels into an awesome experience which is a huge turn on and sometimes its just ordinary.

Ya, strip club guys used to define GFE in more experiential terms (seems like she loves it, feels intimate & sensual, etc.), escort guys define it with a checklist. Was just wondering how the term has evolved

I'm a creature of habit. I much prefer the known cost/benefits with a CF than take crap shots in untested waters.

IMO... it partly depends on the club scene you frequent. Where I live any options (if they exist) are very on the down low, and a CF approach is the way to get it. In a place like Detroit, variety probably makes more sense.

mjx01: Funny you should say that. Back when I used to club at an open-extras plus, it was very rare for me to have an ATF. I think over 9 years, I had 3 ATFs total, only one of whom lasted longer than 6 months. When I switched to a "no extras" club -- obviously, there's not really a such thing as NO extras :) -- I completely changed my M.O. to ATF-based. Even when I'm between ATFs, every new girl I hang out with is essentially being interviewed for the ATF position, whether she knows it or not. So, for me, your theory about the club environment affecting the choice is right on.

Seyes, I can't really separate ITC GFE from OTC GFE because a girl doesn't earn much from me ITC unless I'm also seeing her OTC. I suspect that the same holds true for some others around here, which is the reason for some blending. There are also guys on here who club in places where a full menu is available ITC, so definitions of ITC GFE can be a moving target too.

But in any event, favorites have a limited shelf life for me as I get bored easily. I too like GFE, but after xx number of times with the same girl it loses its allure. And after all, one cannot find the next great GFE provider if one does not diversify a bit. Though I have always found it easier to diversify using multiple clubs for the reasons that sharkhunter raised.

Agreed it looks like every CF in a non extras club has a shelf life. For me that is typically about 5 visits. Anyone who sticks to a CF longer than that is probably just getting a strip club "wife"

I've read where old-timers say that "GFE" went back to the 70s and 80s as code for no condom at massage parlors. I remember complaints on Usenet 20 years ago that it didn't belong in SC discussions.

Like "ATF", it seems to have started as something of a joke term, then gotten co-opted by earnest, literal-minded types.

"a strip club wife" isn't necessarily a bad thing. She's cheaper than a real wife, and if you choose carefully she's sucks and fucks on command. Plus she's a lot younger and prettier. And you can always just go to another club if you find a better one. You can do a lot worse in life than a strip club wife.

I don't have an ATF nor have a strip club wife, I guess that leaves me to just wander around looking for dancers who wanna have fun with me.

It's a challenge maintaining a consistent schedule meeting up with dancer(s) where they work when all I want to do is go out and just try to have a good time.

Even my CF is complaining about why I don't answer her texts/calls. We hang out a lot but I just do it because there's nothing much else to do.

It's just too damn hard having to consistently deal with these women.

I don't know, perhaps when I finally see the person who I want to spend time my life with, but that is still in front of me and probably was far in the future.

Hopefully that day will come for me.

alabegonz, I have to admit I don't understand what's so challenging. I text my ATF that I'm going to be there Thursday (or tomorrow, or later today); if she's scheduled, we meet up, if she's not scheduled, she adds on if she can make it, or sometimes she counterproposes OTC.

If my ATF doesn't make it in, for some reason: I go with my #2, or spend time interviewing new girls for the #2 spot (and hey, maybe the #1 spot!).

If my ATF does make it in: She'll clear her other customers away so she's alone when I get there, we'll have yet another mind-blowing time, at an embarrassingly low cost, etc.

I just don't see the complication -- unless you get emotionally involved, then it's a mess. But this is the simplest, lowest-hassle way to have an awesome time at the club, IMO.

My situation is pretty much not really having a (1)consistent schedule and (2)setting up a meetup.

Right now, what is probably I'm after is just spur of the moment chance meeting and see if sparks are going to fly.

I have an ATF but still always with options

This has been discussed numerous times in the past.

I’m def into variety to the point I’m usually a one and done type PL; i.e. even if I have a great time w/ a particular dancer; I do not want to be w/ her the next time I’m in the club and I want to experience something new.

I have even taken to going on personal SC trips in order to scratch my “variety itch” and more often than not have a very good time b/c of the novelty.