Read some of my recent posts. My primary theme is that the women want to be civilians. They want to be treated as civilians.
When they first start dancing they are offended by the offers of P4P-OTC. But they would like civilian date offers. They just don't get them.
So eventually they learn to go along with P4P-OTC. They accept the money and they do what is expected of them, but this does not mean that the money is the real motivation.
Then maybe later they get to the point where they are openly soliciting for P4P-OTC. It's for the money, and it is also because otherwise dancing in a strip club is boring.
If you ask for free OTC, you will get no where. But if you treat them like civilians and present yourself as you would to a civilian and never try to get them to make any deals or otherwise enter into negotiations, then things should work out just fine.
Dancers don't like talk about things like, "going out with someone for free". They don't think like that and they don't talk like that.
Some years ago I read an article in a magazine, I think it was this experimental magazine Larry Flint tried to start called "Pure". It only lasted a few issues.
It was written by a dancer, in first person. She was a graduate student and wanted money to pay bills, and so she auditioned at a hands off type of nude club. So she started and got the hang of it. But she was always fending off these P4P-OTC offers. She did not like these, and she did not like the people making these offers.
Then, as she explained it, a well dressed man, in a business suit, started talking to her and suggested that they get together after her shift, like probably meaning 2am. She was over joyed and exuberant. This is exactly what she had been waiting for.
As I put my own interpretation into what she was saying, she was up on stage getting a whole room full of guys heated up. If she was doing a good job of it, she was also getting herself heated up. She wanted some good fucking and she was not going to be holding back.
So as this liaison was almost finalized the man then said, "By the way, what's the rate?"
She just about blew a fuse right then. As she explained it, she was envisioning a long night going at it in a nice hotel. Now her vision changed to getting rough handled in the back seat of a car. She was furious, but she contained herself as she walked away from the man.
Now again I insert some interpretation. Female sexual fantasies are usually coded in terms of indicators of elevated socio-economic status, or the lack there of. Dr. Ruth talks about this. Women have nightmares of being sexually violated. But then they have sexual fantasies. The fantasies and the nightmares are not that much different from each other. It is just that the former have these indicators of elevated socio-economic status, and the nightmares do not.
So what she dreamed about was the fantastic night in the hotel room. What horrified her was the unnecessary roughness on the car's backseat.
But what this is really about is, does the guy respect her? This is what strippers are most concerned about! If they won't give out their phone number, but they do take yours and they do call, you must not appear disturbed in anyway by this. They are testing you to see if they are welcome in your outside social life and professional life. It is not just strippers, it is working class girls too. Lovely 18yo Hispanic super hottie with giant tits coming on to me. Next day she is there in my office waiting for me. I was uncomfortable with this, and she picked right up on it, and she refused to talk to me ever again. Same thing with a stripper, she called me at the office, I didn't handle it gracefully, and so she never talked to me again.
Respect is the issue, the only issue!
As for me, most of my would be exploits with strippers beyond the club, had to be stopped short of fruition because I was married. I was in a destructive explosive marriage and I could not do anything which had a chance of detonating a situation which was becoming lethal. So it was always the preliminaries with these girls. But what always was clear was that they wanted someone who respected them and wanted a civilian relationship with them.
You don't have to be rich, or to dress in a business suit, or to be a cocksman, but you do need to be a Gentleman. A Gentleman always treats all women as civilians all of the time. He never talks about "free" in connection with sexual intimacy or relationships. If the women are to be paid, except when they are on stage, then he waits for them to ask for money. Giving them money is a thank you, it is a show of consideration and respect. It is never used to buy something from them or to try and persuade them.
store front Asian Massage Parlor girls have to deal all day with these fat assholes lying naked on the massage tables dickering with them over the cost of a hand job. What a horrible and boring job!
If someone approaches them like they would make it happen with their civilian date, they often give their complete surrender and engage in 60min of mind blowing GFE - FS. This probably happened to them though only about once or twice per year.
Of course AMP girls want you to take them home with them.
Strippers will often want you to take them home with you too. One was really hurt by me when she realized that I was just verbally playing with her as she danced. I never said I was going to date her outside of the club and as a civilian, but she assumed this. When she realized that it was not going to be ( it was because I was married ), then she was furious. They don't need offers of sex for money. They want to be loved.
Marriage and conventional relationships suck. They are a death trap. But strip clubs and P4P are not really the answer either. We need to create a third way.
