Might Strippers Find Men Who Regular Pay for LDs, etc. Attractive?
In your opinion how likely is it that a stripper would find a (single) man who regularly pays for LDs, extras, or conversation attractive?
Would his spending habbits enhance or decrease his attractiveness to strippers or have no effect?
What traits do women find attractive anyway? Is there a conflict between these traits and being a single strip club regular?
Let's face it: some strippers are pretty attractive.
Would his spending habbits enhance or decrease his attractiveness to strippers or have no effect?
What traits do women find attractive anyway? Is there a conflict between these traits and being a single strip club regular?
Let's face it: some strippers are pretty attractive.
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I don't come here to be educated. I come here to be entertained.
As for being smarter than strippers. Depends. Some are definitely clueless. Some of the most experienced ones I still learn lots by talking to. Heck I would say that I have learned just as much by analyzing my discussions interactions with strippers than I have by reading. Surely no one would fault me for that. Probably not even you. But for some reason reading is bad. Do we just have a very anti-intellectual culture here?
Interestingly many I talk to don't beleive that card counting is for real.
Others will learn the fundamental of the game (they may have to admit that their intuitive here isn't that great so formal study and experimentation are called for) and become card counters.
Nice try. (Try to think of counter arguments before you post so you can save me 10 or 15 seconds plus typing time in the future, please.)
If entertainment is the bar, believe me I find this learning experience entertaining. Plus some strippers and other waitresses are just plain entertaining and you can learn alot by talking to them.
I post here once about my ATF. Might have been before your time, though. Chandler seems to be pretty good about speculating about things: I will let him speculate about how she broke my heart and fleeced me of all my cash. (Then I will correct him.)
Anyway, maybe you have point. I guess I should post a thread about "cool strippers" sometime. Don't want to turn this into too much of a wankfest though.
As far as your characterization, I've liked a number of strippers over the years, I just don't try to date them. I'll leave it at I just don't want to for my own reasons.
As for my projection I have a question for you. If you are not planning on just bagging a stripper for bragging rights, why are you so determined to cary out a plan to date a stripper? I haven't heard you posting about some great stripper with a wonderful personality you want to get to know better, I've heard you talking about methods and techniques to get "them". I think I'm on fairly solid ground to assume you are doing this as some sort of challenge or conquest, not out of some decision that strippers make the best girlfriends.
As far as looking for dates in strip clubs, I still find it kind of pathetic. I go in looking for entertainment, and I get it every time. How's that compare to your record of getting what you want?
On a tagent after your Brooke post my guess if that if you go months without going into a strip club it's b/c you are broken hearted and/or fleeced by the latest Brooke like stripper you met.
Good luck, man!
Do you think you know so much that you cannot learn from others? Often it seems that is the POV you are coming from when you post, and also something your name seems to imply.
Seems to me your numbers aren't that impressive either:
The whole point of formalizing knowledge is to accelerate the learning curve and then once you know to be able to acheive your results quickly. The fact that it is all instinctive for you is nice, but on other hand, it all seems pretty hit and miss too. More like a lottery (to use JC's) analogy than a chess game.
Would you criticize someone for reading books on chess as opposed to learning by just playing? I think most good players learn by doing both.
I just pointed it out because many doubted that it was possible. Actually you yourself were one of them just recently: You said strippers would not give you the time of day if you did not pay them, then when I said well the opposite is true from me, you said you didn't beleive me. Funny how you change your tune now. Which is the truth, Yoda?
Anyway, my hope is that with you saying this, fewer will doubt me now, and maybe they will even beleive it is possible for themselves and hence stop paying strippers for conversation, and spending money in the hopes of it helping them get somewhere with them.
In your opinion, would I be acting more ethically if I told them in the first minute "Just so you know I am not in here to buy dances. So if you need to make money go and do it."
AN: The fact that you think it's pathetic to look for dates in strip clubs and that you haven't met any that you want to date in ten years (despite having gone out for food/had sex with some) suggest to me that you have a very low opinion of strippers. I think this recent attack of yours "you want to bag them and run" is projecting your own feelings onto me.
I asked one why that was and she said that good dancers can tell pretty quickly who is going to buy dances and who isn't, or how much chat is required to make the sale for the ones who are iffy.
CG: If they get irritated it's there own problem. I'm always honest about the fact that I am not in there to be buy dances. In fact if they stay more than 7 minutes talking I suggest they get back to work so can make some money since they be getting any from me.
a) begging a stripper for sex for an hour,
b) calling her for some
c) not getting it
d) obsessing about it years later
and then tell me who the frustrated clown is.
3) anticipated reaction of her coworkers.
Why it is so important to befriend the coworkers.
JC: Lottery? Maybe for some. I think it can be reduced to a chess game myself. Should some people not play chess. I suppose.
chandler: You're still not ashamed even after you Brooke story? You ought to be.
Davids: You do realize that married guys and guys who are otherwise attached ( that is, the vast majority of SC customers) just go to SC'slooking for a strane piece of ass don't you?
a) most are already attached
b) most customers are not suffeciently attractive
I mean, come on guys let's get real: You are at work and there is a beautiful young woman whom you are attracted to who wants to date you. You are going to be like "sorry I don't date customers". Yeah, whatever. Think you guys are trying to view the world with an excuse for failure. Oh that's right you don't want to date strippers and get free sex. I forgot. Please ignore this post.
The "wild cards" are, as Yoda mentions, those strippers who aren't all business. They're more likely to be receptive, but a lifetime of teasing makes them no easy read.
I think that depends on how attractive the guy is.
"Would his spending habbits enhance or decrease his attractiveness to strippers or have no effect?"
I think that depends on wether the stripper finds either spending, or not spending attractive in a man.
"What traits do women find attractive anyway? Is there a conflict between these traits and being a single strip club regular?"
I keep hearing "sense of humor". I have my doubts. I've also been told many women look at a man's shoes to judge him. So if you are funny and wear nice shoes, I guess you're in.
"Let's face it: some strippers are pretty attractive."
Kind of the point.
"The VAST majority of dancers are NOT interested in dating customers"
Why do you think that is?
The first time was a bit amusing, I came flat out and said I was in the club trying to score a date with a stripper without spending money. Then we had an amusing conversation and I got her number.
The second time I did it was particularly interesting: Hit it off well talking to one, then I told her she should get back to work to make some money since I was just there to talk to some friends. I noticed her looking at me from across the room several times, and then she would suspiciously find herself hanging around near me (proximity alert). "Sit down. Give me your number, I'll call you sometime." "Ok..."
Common factor: both times this happened it was with newer dancers.
Ok, I'm gonna try this one out. Ask them on the first meeting for dates. I'll try both getting numbers (and following up to see if they answer) and ask them to meet after work.
And honestly it doesn't matter if strip club regulars in cyberspace think I'm pathetic. The stripper's opinions are what matters. If they think I am pathetic they can stop talking to me.
AN: Like I said, first they doubted they would talk to me for free (many deny it still); then they doubted I could get numbers (many deny it still)... One step at a time. Rome was not built in a day. Remember I stated at the point of being a pathetic LD buying regular, so this is enormous progress already.
Just to whet your appetite though, I tried something new last visit which may have been a major breakthrough (or perhaps it was a bomb)... Too early to report success or failure though.
chandler, I certainly have no objections to meaningless sex. I just think it rather unethical to lie to get it when the other party may not agree that it is meaningless. I also understand dancers are grownups, at least chronologically. I also agree that the possibility of davids' methods resulting in anything are limited. He has apparently been to Rick's about once a week for the last month or so according to another post, and I have yet to hear about any success, other than numbers he never followed up on because it was "too easy".
Interesting that so many people want to see me fail. I don't understand why that is. If I figure this out I will share whatever useful knowledge I gain. If not, well it doesn't harm the rest of you any. (Maybe some strippers will feel they wasted 7 minutes on me, but it's really their own fault for structuring their sale not to take into account that many customers are not in SCs to buy dances: No rule saying you have to.)
No tricks. I don't lie about who I am (which is much more than most strippers are ever going to do for you). I only talk for more than 7 minutes to ones I like (note that like does not implying wanting to date or have sex with. I may just want to be friends with tme.) Otherwise I send them away.
The upside to them is that they get to have interesting conversations with someone who is going to treat them as ordinary people and not sexual commodities. Apparently some of them actually like this, and the ones who don't have the option of getting up and leaving at any moment.
In your opinion, would I be acting more ethically if I told them in the first minute "Just so you know I am not in here to buy dances. So if you need to make money go and do it."
Finally, strip clubs are all about fantasy. Hence even if I were to be lying and manipulative (which I am not) it's not really lying and manipulative: It's just fantasy, which the strippers themselves say strip clubs are all about.