The US's Military Track Record and SC Attitudes

Driver "I guess that makes you a reformed loser...just like me"

WTF? So now you say that I was right all along that men who regularly pay for LDs are losers? What a bunch of bullshit sophistry you've been putting up all this time then: Arguing against a position that you really agreed with all along. Then calling me a troll? And saying I was the one being hypocritical. For christ fucking sake!

As for China... I think the model there is getting closer to fascism: low individual freedoms, but they are favoring private ownership of property more. Perhaps ou've seen the two dimensioanl graph with capitalism (high individual freedoms, pro private property), libertarian socialism (high inidividual freedoms, less private property), fascism, and communism (low individual freedoms, no private property)? That's why I say they are becoming less "communist". (Here I am using "communist" in the sense of the common venacular. I don't think "communism" meant low individual freedoms until subverted by the Bolshevists, but I'll go along with that to "dumb it down" for TUSCLites.)

Don't have time to educate you on China. I travel there 4-5 times a year and you would not believe what goes on that you never read or hear about over here.. But you are kidding yourself if you think the men in power there are anything but ruthless. The state has a controlling interest in everything. You know you are a "guest" the moment you are "invited" to do business with them. Freedom as you and i know it, does not exist...but this is a discussion for another day...Short on time

Happy to know you're a reformed pay for play participant. I guess that makes you a reformed loser...just like me. I played that game for a while after my wife passed away at the age of 31. No, I'm not an old man--just turned 37 and now have 3 girlfriends in 3 different countries. But to tell you the truth, you pay for it one way or another. Sometimes, the pay for play route almost seems more honest. You want an hour of fun so you pay for it and go on with your business. No flowers, no late night calls and it costs less than dinner at the Palm.

I can see how this works for some people. And it worked for me during a tough period in my life...No need to flame me anymore on this--I won't be flaming you...I'd be happy to just let it go... Off to the airport...

Driver:

"no one calls anyone a communist since the end of the cold war".

This is a phony quote. Not something I ever said. Just another strawman:

Sure old men living in the past still call people that. But it just dates them. The term lost it's punch in '89 for those who live in the present. Just like PC lost its punch in the late 90s.

You need to get with the times, old man.

Um, check the dates on the reviews:

I've always said that I used to pay for LDs. Until I learned that there were better ways to do things around July of last year. Any of the regular posters here know that. Some news flash... yawn

You are really grasping at straws. Kind of like casualguy.

As for China: they aren't very communist anymore are they? All kinds private profit allowed there. And only getting more and more liberal. Soon they will exceed the US at the rate things are going.

Man you really need to get with the times.Another distinction: China has never tried to export "communism" to the US/Europe like the Russians did. That's why back in the cold war days calling someone in the US a "communist" was such an insult: implying that you were some kind of foreign agent try to move the US to the left.

Yeah, China has foreign agents in the US, but they aren't serious about pulling the US to the left. China just keeps to itself. Probably wants the US to stay capitalist too, b/c it needs a market for its goods. And be grateful to the Chinesse for propping up the US dollar.

You really need to clue in man.

Headline: DAVIDS PAYS FOR EXTRAS...read all about it! LMAO. I was just about to call it a night when I clicked on davids name and actually read some of his reviews. It appears that our agitator is guily of that which he chastises everyone else for...I wish I had taken the time to read this before. Perhaps, everyone else who is a regular reader of this board already knew this but this is news to me. Here is but one of his many reviews and comments on the subject...If you need to see it as originally posted- click on his name and the REAL DAVIDS, a loser like us...lol

davids writes of Rick's... "Wow! What a club! This has always been the best club in Seattle but it has now become EASILY the best. You are insane to go anywhere else. I have been an evening regular at Rick's for about a year. About 50% of the girls here are serious about making sure you have a good time and keep coming back. Extras are easy to find. Some of the best looking girls will give them too, but some will not. Some girls charge you extra for them, but if you are patient you should be able to find a good looking girl willing to do the extras for no extra charge (I recommend tiping these ones, though).

Be careful though, not every girl in here is willing to give you very much. This is true of some of the prettiest ones who seem to want to coast in on their looks: Erin and MaryJane come to mind. As has been said if you aren't really enjoying that first dance move onto the next girl: don't be a chump and hope it will get better; it won't. Also be careful of the following "trick": the dance is kind of mediocre up until the end of song when it suddenly gets real good. This b*tch is a hustler. Another "trick" is when they occasionally try and get your heart rate up there, but back off as you are about to have some real fun (this will make me unpopular here but Sharee and Joey are examples of girls who like to use this trick).

Ultimately the great part about Rick's is this: there is no need to deal with the hustlers in here at all. There are plenty of pretty girls who are going to give you a very good time and not even charge you above regular price. Treat them well and they will (at least act like) they appreciate it.

Some of girls here will engage you in conversation, which is alwasy fun, but usually it's not excessive. Most are looking to get down to business rather quickly.

Only a few downfalls of this club: it is easy to spend too much here. Also the situation with extras is probably unstable. Rumors abound of cops making arrests. (The owner is a local crime figure, but it appears even the (presumable) bribes aren't keeping the vice at bay.) As more girls who don't want to are forced to do extras to compete and the other clubs feel the heat and word leaks out to the general population, expect a backlash against the club. It is quite possible that this place will get taken down altogether. Also I have no experience with the day time crowd, but I have seen some night timers saying they moved in from the day because they could not compete. Perhaps there is already some internal backlash, which could contribute to what I predict will the clubs ultimate demise for being too good. (I feel the situation at the beginning of the year was more stable, you could find extras, but had to work for a bit at it, so there was less danger of a general take down then.) Management also appears to be cracking down a bit, but it has not had much of an effect yet.

So go out there and enjoy this club while you can. I don't expect this good thing to last forever.

Again, you have failed to make a cogent defense of your proposition.

DUCK, DEFLECT and change the subject...Gee, what a surprise. Asking you to explain/defend your nonsensical proclamation requires only an answer, something you fail to provide(understandably so). I am/was truly interested in your point of view. Whether you debate "ME" was never the point. I just thought it'd be fun to hear you try and explain how you came to the conclusion you did.

A debate by definition is "a regulated discussion of a proposition between two matched sides." You get buried every time you post something anywhere on this board and you couldn't match wits with me even if I was in a coma... so, stop flattering yourself- a true debate was never in the cards. You don't have the brain power.

But seriously, david's - next time you fuck one of those dancer's for free, just remember the odds are pretty good that you're getting sloppy seconds or thirds or maybe even sloppy fourths from the tusclites of the world--Be safe and wear that condom-- lol. Sloppy 4ths, david's!! WOW! You da man!

As you may or may not have noticed, I only pop in here periodically and post even less so. Unlike you, I do have a life and that life includes traveling the world. So while you are here bragging about fucking dancer/whores for free and spending your days chastising everyone else as 'Losers", I will be flying off to Japan and then to the People's Republic of China(you know, that big country in the far east that last time I was there was communist). I'll be sure and let them know that "no one calls anyone a communist since the end of the cold war". They obviously did not get the memo...

Back in a couple of weeks....I hope while I'm gone that you either get over your obsession with homosexuality or come on out of the closet...The gay bashing of jc and parody and others is just not very clever. Maybe you can come up with something fresh. Think about it will you. It'd be nice to come back to something creative and rises above the level of your usual bullshit.

I'll save you the trouble--

driver is a loser. Get real, dude. ..Retard..Loser retard...Retard Loser...Fucking retard...fucking retard loser..clueless...clueless loser...clueless retard loser...fucking retard clueless bastard...if i missed one, consider it said...

Ok, just for fun I am going to respond to you. You are pretty retarded and clueless so I guess you missed the obvious:

There are a couple of key distinctions between having sex or sex like activity with a stripper when you pay versus when you do not:

a) For the latter she is generally going to have to feel very attracted you, particularly if you are a customer in the sense of meeting her in the strip club. For the former as long you have the money you will get some. Thus the first scenario requires attractiveness on your part, while the latter only requires money (attractiveness is optional, and generally absent from paying customers). This is the main reason why we say that customers who pay are losers: they lack the attractiveness to get it for free. Take Yoda, for instance, he has admitted that without money most strippers would not give him the time of day. They are way out of his attractiveness league. So he pays.

b) The fact that she needs to be attracted to you if you are not paying, makes the sex more enjoyable. As a trivial demonstration of this consider how reluctant (most) strippers/whores/escorts are to kiss paying customers, even if they are willing to fuck/suck the very same customer for money. Thus the paying customers are getting a less enjoyable experience. This is second main reason why we say that customers who have to pay for it are losers.

Get it? Pretty fucking simple, huh? Well maybe not to someone as retarded as you.

Go away, now, loser!

Oh, please you have been begging me for the last month to debate you, and then you do so in your last post, yet you "don't give a shit". If you didn't give a shit you would simply not respond to my posts at all. Get real. Get a clue. Say something that makes sense.

LMAO-- I don't give a shit if you debate ME or not. By putting forth a proposition as you continue to do-namely, that entering a place of business and paying for the services provided by a dancer is somehow a"loser" thing to do as opposed to your modus operandi of not spending money on the girls working in the club and then trying to fuck a dancer/whore for free, is worthy of challenge.

You put the proposition forward, not me. At the end of the day, one guy pays a working girl for her services--you stiff the working girl and fuck her for free. So, you both fucked a dancer/whore. SO FUCKING WHAT? david's, you are talking about FUCKING WHORES!!!!!!! What the fuck difference does it make whether you got a freebie from her or not? You fucked a dancer/whore for free-- GOOD FOR YOU!

....and again, he cannot defend his indefensible position on the original question...duck and deflect and do your namecalling routine. Doesn't change the fact that you CANNOT DEFEND YOUR POSITION...This is just too damn easy.

driver: I have no idea what you are even asking me. I think you have assigned some strawman position to me that you think is indefensible. I have no idea what that position is, if has anything to do with what I believe or if is logically defensible or not. Nor do I care much.

Anyway if you want to know the reason I won't debate with you, it's b/c it was clear from your very first post here that you weren't trying to represent what I have stated accurately. You just want to make a strawman which was crushable to win points with the rest of the circle jerk here. I remember you saying that I "expected stippers to talk to me for hours while at work for free". I never claimed that.

So I just plain don't debate with people who don't try to represent my position accurately. Else we get into this situation.

Me: 2+2=4 driver: some triad about why 2+2 cannot possibly be 7. Calls me names for claiming 2+2 is 7 when it so obviously cannot be. Proceeds to prove that 2+2=5 and everyone should clearly see that.

Ok. Go away now and pay for some pussy. Loser.

driver: How fucking clueless are you? I said if we applied YOUR LOGIC i.e. if you call someone else then you are it, that would make you a communist and a homosexual. Never said I subscribed to this point of view at all.

Fuck, this is like debating retarded 10 y/o. You may be even dumber than parodyman.

What a fucking no mind.

So by your logic (and I use that term loosely) you are the "fucking retard"...LOL

Hey, one more thing, driver, you fucking retard: Calling someone a Communist went out with the end of the cold war. Even calling me "PC" would date you less, though you would still be a decade off. What are you a relic from the 50s? Fucking old men. Don't have a clue. Need to pay for pussy. Cut off their social security I say!

Once again, you cannot make a cogent defense of your position relative to the question posed. Just ignore the indefensible and change the subject...

For a guy who claims to bag stripper/whores for free, you talk an awfully lot about homosexuality. You know you really need to face up to the reality of your closeted faggot leanings and tendencies. It's ok, david's. You're among the closest friends you probably have on this earth(how sad is that) and we're here to help you through this process of self discovery. So stand up and proclaim to the world that you're a CAPITALIST PRETENDING COMMUNIST LOVING FREE WHORE FUCKING DICK SUCKING B-I-A-TCH.

driver: by you're very own logic you are gay for accusing me of being a homosexual. Why don't you go join parody and JC for a threesome, man. And you're probably a commie yourself for accusing me of being one. Yep, great logic you have.

Fucking retard.

Communist? Well that (once again) shows how completely fucking clueless you are.

I am about as capitalist as they get. I would support cutting off your momma's welfare check in a minute, even if it meant that you and your 12 illegitimate brothers and sisters had to starve on the street.

Here's a clue: The US is not a capitalist country. Not even close with all the taxation and government regulation of the economy. US people are too pussy to

a) fight wars b) live in a capitalist state c) get pussy without paying having to pay for it

Nice try on the military bait-- not gonna bite on that one. No point since we have already established that you're a communist.

However, I will once again remind the board of the frequently asked question that you continue to avoid answering(for obvious reasons). Why such an obsession on the subject of paying a stripper for sex?

You claim to regularly fuck strippers for free while others here claim to have paid them for their services. The end result is the same, my little communist friend. You both fucked some whores. Fun?? Absolutely! But not much of an accomplishment either way..

It's rather obvious, despite your ruminations to the contrary, that reason and logic are not your strong suit. I realize that most of your posts are simply meant to be provocative- designed to get the name-calling assaults going in both directions. But I would think you'd a least pick an argument that has a modicum of merit- fucking stripper/whores for free is nothing to brag about. Some of us have actually been there and done that. It's no big deal... Now, if you ever manage to fuck Jenna Jameson next time she features at a club near you and you did it without offering her a dime--well, then you might have something to crow about and I'd be the first to give you your propers. But since we all know that you couldn't fuck your dog for free I don't think we will be reading about a davids/jenna connection anytime soon.

Also, what's up with this gay thing you all of a sudden are spouting off about. Something you need to get off your chest? Got a little secret deep in that closet of yours you want to share? You keep painting these verbal pictures of parodyman and J.C. hooking up in the gayosphere that it is clear to me that these are just manifestations of your own inner faggotism. Come on out of the closet, david's. Be a man (well sort of). You'll feel so much better about yourself. All that anger and hostility in you will melt away.. Shout it out to everone that you are a PROUD COMMUNIST LOVING WHORE FUCKING DICK SUCKING BITCH! Come on david's, you talk way too much about faggotism to not be a closet homo...LMAO