My Third OTC Attempt
Revo
Tipped some of the dancers onstage. I wore nice clothes not a suite. But I dress very well for work anyway. Bantered with them and generally had a really good time. I asked the dancers after a couple of dances or when we had been talking for a while. “What would it take to talk you out of here tonight?†I got a variety of responses but not takers. One said no. Another very cute blond, Macy, said she would need to get to know me better via the VIP and ITC. Which I did. She was young and very much a hustler and I fell for it. She got $500 out of me for the VIP room, and a BJ, FS. But it was not good at all. Very bad she turned into a real bitch. Total PL experience. She did give me her real number and said next time at my hotel. But she was such a ROB, I am not interested in her after that. I think I see what Dougster meant by how they know when they can take advantage of you and your money then your chances go down. This would fall into that category.
Another one gave me her email Abigail short and very cute worked really hard for me and let me do a lot of extras, and another one Gabriela got her phone number. Both of these were Latinas and very receptive. I think Abigail will meet me outside. Gabriela I do not think she will. I may have spent too much money on them already, for them to consider OTC. Then there was another latina very aggressive very wild in the VIP, many extras. Said she was willing to go OTC. However she got my number I did not get hers. She never called and probably never will. I also noticed that many of these girls will not let you touch their pussy even when in the VIP. Maybe even if they are doing BJ or FS. Have you guys noticed this? It appears to me to be a test of whether they are willing to do more or not?
Well there it is. Any thoughts or suggestions. I did not act too anxious. I gained rapport with all of the girls. Never went right for a dance or OTC. Did a lot of banter and had a good time overall. What do you guys think?
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Other than that. You are on the right track. Just keep trying.
Be more patient and it'll happen.
When I was in my OTC prime 10-15 years ago, I figured it took me, at the clubs I frequented, around $1000 spent on a fairly nice girl over a period of a few weeks before she would finally agree to OTC.
Of course some places, like ESL, are different, and the issue is not whether she will or won't, but rather what time she has open after work today or before work tomorrow morning.
NOOOOOOO! LOL.
The old "I need to get to know you" gag is classic and is a sure fire sign that you will never get her OTC. That right there should have been enough to make you cut bait.
Second though, making them fat on cash ITC is a good way of spending yourself out of OTC. After all, she will not be nearly as motivated to make a sidetrip after hours, go into your hotel and fuck you for an additional $200-300 if she has already pocketed $600+ for the night. OTC is often spur of the moment crime of opportunity for dancers and many of these girls are far more likely to do it if their wallets are thin.
Now you did get more from her ITC than I thought you would, but that is yet another problem in a way. Many girls who are already giving it up ITC are reluctant to go OTC, no doubt due to safety concerns and the fact that they are not asked as much because many guys are just as happy to buy their finishes ITC. In any event, do you really want to be the last guy in line after she has already had several dicks in her that night?
Now Otto makes an interesting point. When I say "talk you out of here" what I generally mean is OTC after her shift is over. Most girls cannot cut out of a club early for OTC, though I have had it happen in isolated instances in Baltimore, Fort Worth and even Queens (NYC). What sucks about this fact is that if you club in places like NYC or Dallas, which do not close up until 4 am or even later, OTC can be a very late night affair. Offering to see her before her next shift might not be a bad approach if you think that you have a girl who might be game.
In any event, keep at it and you'll get there eventually.
It has been my experience that, at least at the outset, it is easier to convince a girl to stop by my hotel on her way home from the club than to try to plan something further out, not only for the reasons already mentioned but also because it is hard to pin some of these girls down much past the moment. OTC after a club closes is just a sidetrip on the way home, while that other stuff requires much more planning.
Both. I've met girls OTC once and then never again, for a variety of reasons, not just because it wasn't good enough to repeat, though there have been plenty of those. Then there's my ATF/SB. I've been seeing her two or three times a month for a little over two years now.
But when you say "long term", it is impossuble to know how long one of these arrangements will last. These girls have changes of heart, retire, move to other clubs, etc., on a frequent basis. You may also find yourself wanting to move on after a while. Nothing is forever and you can never know when the train ride will come to an end.
This comment goes w/o saying – doing the above is their job. This is a BUSINESS transaction and it is your responsibility to make sure you are getting a fair deal and not getting ripped/taken-advantage off.
“… I also noticed that many of these girls will not let you touch their pussy …â€
That is a very (perhaps the most) sensitive area and it is easily prone to infections. The fact that it is a very private area and the hygiene factor, makes not that uncommon that girls don’t want stranger’s fingers in there specially since they don’t know where those fingers have been.
As others have said, if you keep wasting big time $$$ on them, they have less of an incentive to do OTC – after all they are doing it for the $$$ - if they already have it, why are they going to put out?
It may be ok to spend some on them at the beginning so they can see you are willing to spend – but after that, they (dancers) need to know if they want to keep having access to your funds , that things need to go to the next level – if they don’t want to play – then move on.
Revo my man, your making good progress indeed. You got them to fuck you, even if one was a ROB, but at least it wasn't 1,000 yash like some people do. Going for broke, is no good and you know your limits. Personally bro, it seems like its just coming down to your conversation skills man. Sounds like you need to step up your suave a bit and show them that yo dick means BUZINESS