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I think that depends on the club. The two local clubs that have no alcohol at all are also the least permissive with regard to the mileage. Trixie's is pure one way for the regular lappers. Allegedly, the VIP allows more two way, but from what I hear, nothing beyond that. So far, I haven't been tempted by their VIP, as it's one of, if not the, most expensive in town.

On the other hand, almost all of the alcohol servings clubs are pretty open about good two way, and clothes often "slip" even for regular dances. Three of my four favourite clubs, all four of which serve alcohol, are very relaxed places.

I don't think "alcohol vs. non-alcohol" always equates to "low contact vs. high contact."

In general, I will opt for the juice bar, all other things being equal (distance to travel, safety of the location, reputation for having good dancers/HM private). That being said, I rarely find that there is an equivalence. For example, I have driven 90 minutes to get to a club where I knew I would get a great topless LD rather than go 15 minutes away to see a nuge stage dance where I knew there would be zero contact in the VIP. Of course, that was when gas was much cheaper!

I guess I'm fortunate to have at least two local all nude no alcohol clubs that have adequate mileage with the right dancer. Used to be 3 but one went alcohol and from what I've heard, the only way to get mileage is to pay dearly for the "most erotic limo ride" in the area. In fact I was at one last night and had a great time (review coming) and am headed for another in an hour or two.

The first ITC FS I ever had was in an all nude no alcohol club. The dancer said, "I can put that away for you", and proceeded to a reverse cowgirl FS that is still memorable.

Where I'm headed tonight has the potential for hand down the pants decent HJ, with a tease of BJ. At the same time, I can have roaming privileges including free rein of a kitty. The kitty will be as up close and personal as the patron wants. (I'm not into DATY with dancers. Could be fun, but not worth the risk to me.)

On the other hand, I've been to an almost-local club (not exactly a SC) where my new found friend said I should have brought some squares of SaranWrap!!! (She's cautious, which I appreciate immensely.)

But it's also true that good mileage can be had at topless only alcohol places. As GMD says, it depends on the club, and probably more so on the dancer.

I'm only aware of in my area of topless clubs where you buy expensive beer or a tiny nude club where you can bring your own beer but can still drink.

The mileage, nudity, and drinking policies typically follow state/local guidelines, laws, and customs. At places like Bogart's in Inkster or Follies in Atlanta, you get it all - full nudity, alcohol, and extras. In other states, you can get nudity, but no alcohol or vice versa.

In those more restricted states/locales, my experience has been the classier places rely more on a typical bar model - serve alcohol so it's more social, but only have topless women with low mileage. The no-alcohol places tend to pull off the reigns, I guess figuring if you're there, it's not for socializing while drinking alcohol. It's the women you're after, so nudity and some degree of extras seem to prevail, as it's the only value proposition they have.

"Again I am aware that clubs that serve alcohol usually allow very little contact which makes it a lot less fun... I LIKE ME TOUCHY!! How do you guys pull off kissing/BBBJ/FS at some of those clubs??"

I just DO it. LOL Or maybe it is my choice of Clubs.

Here in L.A. my experience has been very high mileage at nude clubs (my personal preference), and mild to moderate dances at topless joints. The biggest factor is privacy - all of the nude clubs offer private single and VIP areas, whereas many of the topless places have their dances performed out in the open in front of everybody. You can only do so much groping when you're sitting knee-to-knee with the PL next to you in the middle of a 20 foot long lapdance couch.

I don't drink. So, I would always take full nude over topless, assuming equal mileage. A non-smoking club over a smoking club makes a bigger difference to me regardless of nudity/alcohol.

As to your question about extras, it's mostly depens on what the club and local LE tolerate. If you write and read reviews, where to go can be discerened.

"Again I am aware that clubs that serve alcohol usually allow very little contact which makes it a lot less fun... I LIKE ME TOUCHY!! How do you guys pull off kissing/BBBJ/FS at some of those clubs??"

1. Check out the club. High class clubs and their girls means generally VIP only for privacy. They also usually have too many bouncers.
2. Check out the LD area. If it's camera-free and secluded, the girls have it figured out a long time ago and you can work the high mileage. BTW, sometimes the "cameras" are fake - ask the girls if they've ever seen the actual monitors in the offices.
3. Conduct yourself with class. Girls are more likely to offer e.g. a BBBJ to someone who is neatly dressed, speaks well, and doesn't look like some of the weirdo clientele.

If you don't get what you want at the first club, move on to the next...

With regard to where customers can get better mileage/extras, I've said this before: It seems that generally, clubs that serve alcohol are more strict in enforcing their rules, than nude clubs are. This is because alcohol-serving clubs make most of their money from alcohol sales. If they get busted for lap dance violations, they risk loosing their liquor licenses. Non-alcohol clubs risk less if they get into trouble with the law. As a related observations, my experience mirrors what lopaw described above.

Here in Columbus we have no more nude clubs. The old nude clubs are now pasties club but still charge a $10 cover for BYOB

The biggest thing about nude no booze clubs is you have less of a chance of an drunk a..hole starting a fight and ruining the whole evening for everyone. I was in Philly at a topless full bar club when a drunk started something. The bouncers escorted him out. Evidently the drunk, all P-Oed, tore-ass out of the parking lot and got pulled over by the cops who then decided to lock down club while they checked everyones ID and ran a background checks on a few patrons and all of the girls. During which you could not leave or even go to the toilet without permission. This was not a dive bar, it was a smallish nice place. I seldom drink while clubbing as I do not need a DUI and you also are less likely to get suckered into an airdance VIP. To me drinking yourself stupid or dealing with stupid drunks spoils my evening. Mileage always depends on the club and its location. That is what TUSCL reviews are for.

Detroit area has booze clubs and no booze nude clubs where YMMV. Windsor, Ontario, just across the Detroit River has booze all nude YMMV.

Well, i feel as though topless clubs are actually better. The enviroment is much more relaxed. You can drink your beer, play pool,and watch sports.You get good conversations from the dancers. you can tip dollar bills anywhere you want. Lap dances are only $20 per song. Remember topless refers to the stage dances. You get a lap dance with the right girl you will see Vagina anyway.