I didn't consider it a major quandary, really. :) Just another fun evening. In fact, I didn't even ask her for the cell number, she just volunteered it, in exactly the manner that plenty of pay-for-play operators suggest. "So, did you want to take this to the next level?" or something of the sort.
Didn't mean to suggest I was hugely disappointed. This stuff goes on consistently at clubs. She wasn't my ATF, just my ATFFTN. I only thought that the sales pitch was strikingly creative and novel. She gets points for effort! :)
Yoda, I couldn't agree more. Early in my strip club career, I would sometimes ask and get rejected much more than not. Over the past couple of years, without asking I've been offered OTC more times than I can count.
I wouldn't go onto a club's site asking questions about OTC with the dancers. You won't get a strait answer most of the time and you will probably just piss people off. OTC is a huge trust issue for the dancer. If she does it she will let you know as soon as she feels convinced you are not a cop or a psycho.
I don't ask dancers about OTC, I wait until they ask me. If you want to ask, go for it, just respect her answer an if it's a "no", move on.
Yeah you definitely have to pass the smell test with the dancer to get to OTC and even to get to the extras inside the club too. First thing is usually knowing what happens at that clubs both with the other girls - do they do OTC and extras, if they do, chances are you at least have a good shot. After a couple of VIP dances you can bring it up in casual conversation and you will usually get an honest answer. Frankly if I am dancing with a girl for the first time and she says yes and wants to set something up that night I'm a little spooked lol If she says yeah but I like to get to see you a few times then I think it makes both parties a bit more comfortable. Hey there are axe murderers on both sides lol
Book Guy, the answer to your quandry lies in the fact that you say you only met her recently. Very few dancers are going to give you any personal information until they get to know you better and you build up some trust. There are two common exceptions to that: the girl who has a separate cel phone just for work so customers can find out when she's working, and the girl who engages in regular OTC prostitution to supplement her income. But that's not really personal information, it's just their way of doing business.
My ATF lied to me all the time when I first met her, but after a while she began to trust me and gave me real personal info. Most dancers are going to lie if you ask for personal info. Until they get to know you. And that takes time.
Book Guy, my experience is exactly like FONDL's. It takes time for a girl to work up the trust and confidence in you to take that step. Their main concern, I believe, is that you are not LE, and of course any guy can show up undercover for a single visit to a club.
One cool stripper I met recently acted like she'd give OTC service, and like she really wanted to hang with me. It was like, "sure, I'll give service because you're cool" I liked that.
But then, the cell phone number she gave me turned out to be a fake number. I could only call her after leaving the club and I realized that (through the course of our normal conversation that night) I had revealed to her that my own phone wasn't with me. In other words, she figured out how to make me feel wanted for the course of the night, did not intend to give me OTC service, but acted like she would anyway, to keep me on the line longer.
It worked. I dunno if I feel used and played, or if I feel like I really liked all my interactions with her. You decide. Now I"m in love with her and I'm convincing myself that I liked being lied to. Now THAT's ... troo luvvv ...
With this thread in mind, I made an inquiry just last night.
RNM (random new meat) passed her DD audition and VIPed me like a princess for a few songs.
We cuddled a little afterwards and I offhandedly asked if she'd ever done any OTC dances:
"What's 'OTC'?"
"Outside the club."
"No. Never heard of 'em."
"That's okay. Some girls do."
"Hmm. I can ask around for you."
Cool chick, huh?
(I already know all the other girls at the club, but it was a nice offer.)
As long as you're not crude or pushy, even the word-of-mouth after asking one dancer could pay off on subsequent visits.
I've led a charmed life. Of the approximately ten proposals for OTC sex that I've received from strippers, I have followed up on exactly one, and that is a GFE that has been repeated about five times. If she didn't live a couple of hundred miles away, it would be a more frequent and costly experience.
I think the trick is to prove you aren't either a cop or an axe-murderer, FIRST, and then simply request. One way I go about this, especially in high-volume clubs, is to stroke a few parts gently, whether on the floor or in a private dance. Then I mention I'm looking for girls who are willing to provide extra service. The right way to say it is, "I'm looking for girls who are willing to provide extra service." As long as you've already established that you're interested in handling breastiges, and that your willy has a wonka, and that there isn't a transmitting device connected to a wire running down your belly, you're fine.
I wait to see how things go during the PD/VIP.
Don't be shy. It's a simple question and they hear it all the time.
If the answer is 'no', drop the subject right there and go on about your business. No harm, no foul.
All you're doing is letting her know the door is open.
At the same time, I guarantee that the girls who are truly interested in OTC will let you know in no uncertain terms.
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Didn't mean to suggest I was hugely disappointed. This stuff goes on consistently at clubs. She wasn't my ATF, just my ATFFTN. I only thought that the sales pitch was strikingly creative and novel. She gets points for effort! :)
I don't ask dancers about OTC, I wait until they ask me. If you want to ask, go for it, just respect her answer an if it's a "no", move on.
My ATF lied to me all the time when I first met her, but after a while she began to trust me and gave me real personal info. Most dancers are going to lie if you ask for personal info. Until they get to know you. And that takes time.
But then, the cell phone number she gave me turned out to be a fake number. I could only call her after leaving the club and I realized that (through the course of our normal conversation that night) I had revealed to her that my own phone wasn't with me. In other words, she figured out how to make me feel wanted for the course of the night, did not intend to give me OTC service, but acted like she would anyway, to keep me on the line longer.
It worked. I dunno if I feel used and played, or if I feel like I really liked all my interactions with her. You decide. Now I"m in love with her and I'm convincing myself that I liked being lied to. Now THAT's ... troo luvvv ...
anybody on the site that goes to players in detroit?
RNM (random new meat) passed her DD audition and VIPed me like a princess for a few songs.
We cuddled a little afterwards and I offhandedly asked if she'd ever done any OTC dances:
"What's 'OTC'?"
"Outside the club."
"No. Never heard of 'em."
"That's okay. Some girls do."
"Hmm. I can ask around for you."
Cool chick, huh?
(I already know all the other girls at the club, but it was a nice offer.)
As long as you're not crude or pushy, even the word-of-mouth after asking one dancer could pay off on subsequent visits.
DG
Don't be shy. It's a simple question and they hear it all the time.
If the answer is 'no', drop the subject right there and go on about your business. No harm, no foul.
All you're doing is letting her know the door is open.
At the same time, I guarantee that the girls who are truly interested in OTC will let you know in no uncertain terms.
DG