Dancers that don't do extras reap the benefit of those that do.

They also, consciously or unconsciously, prey on weak willed dancer who will do what they need to do to get by. These dancers often get caught in a feedback loop where they further push their limits to get more money then spend more money self medicating to cope with the progression. Not all dancers, but a sizable amount. Keeping prostitution outside the strip club, at least gives the dances proper time to make a decision and hopefully one not under the influence.

There are also growing communities on the Internet which help independent girls from any dangers that may come from working outside a club, as well as advertising and scheduling.

There is no positive to prostitution within a club other than that to confuse what the role of a dancer should be.

The positive to a club is revenue from drinks and cover charge. In Texas, if Treasures and St James did not have extras, their business would probably drop 50%.

Shadow - Good point. I too visit clubs, especially when on the road, that either do, or a rumored to, offer extras (e.g., Inner Room in Cocoa Beach). I'm not always looking for that, but I figure if it's sort of "out there," then I have more options to enjoy the experience. In any case, I'll typically try a number of dancers while there, which I would NOT be doing had I not shown up. And, as often as not, I find myself enjoying the non-extras attention of a particularly fine dancer who just happens to work in the club.

I don't judge dancers either way; it's each dancer's choice. And I've watched many do quite well without extras, just because they're so cute, have a great personality, and otherwise make me feel like a million bucks.

It's not as lucrative as you might think, lol.

Do you have something to back that up? I seriously doubt 50% of customers are looking to get a blow job. Until I came here, everyone I knew, minus some in a bachelor party, that went to clubs played by the rules. Some of us were lucky enough to get the girls to party afterwards, but most followed the rules, be it coworkers, friends, or family. I'd say 25% on the weekends and nights and prob 75% on day shift are looking for action.

fetish - retirement didn't last ling?

Paid action - all guys minus a few loyal ones are looking for free pussy.

I wish there was an edit fuction. I post from my phone in brainstorm fashion mostly.

still in retirement, like to come in and comment once and a while.

Seems to me that there is a compelling argument to legalize prostitution, regardless whether the venue is inside or outside a club. Sex between consenting adults is legal. It is perfectly legal to hire people to clean your teeth, to pump your septic tank, to cook a Big Mac, to model a shoe or a bra, or even "act" in a porn movie. So why should it be illegal to hire a person to perform a sexual service??

It would be less dangerous to the provider if the service was legal-- less opportunity for exploitation and abuse by a pimp, more monitored settings for interactions. It would also be less dangerous to the client-- possibly by requiring periodic health screenings for providers, for example. Does it exploit the person (most of whom will be women)? That depends on your definition of exploit. Are they being hired for their body? Yes, but so is the model for his or her beautiful feet or hands or etc. Is the task itself inherently unpleasant and we're "forcing" a person to do something that is unpleasant-- well sometimes, but so is garbage collection and pumping septic tanks-- at least the prostitute could say "no" to certain clients. Would it be any less exploitative to hire a person for minimum wage but boring, no skills required job? Does it sell a commodity or a service (sex) that should be treated differently than all other commodities and services-- well no, look at how many people have perfectly legal marriages that exchange resources (money and all that money buys) for these very same services--- even if the nature of the exchange is a bit less obvious that pay for sex.

Probably preaching to the choir-- enough said.

There are dancers who don't do extras?

@Electronman: I completely agree. In the meantime, we'll just have to get by on TJ and Canadian options.

jackslash, yup I had some at Hustler and Coliseum in Detroit not willing to do extras claiming "the hot dancers don't have to make money doing extras because they are so hot they can sell dances based on looks alone"

Yeah but jackslash is so smooth he gets all the ladies to pony up extras!

There are a lot of dancers who don't do extras and they all complain about how hard it is to compete with the dancers who do extras.

How can a stripper who won't do extras compete with a different stripper who needs the money so badly that she gives every customer a hand job for an extra $20?

It really is related to economics. I had one tell me "$20 for a three minute dance, I fucked guys for less than that back home in Columbia."
As long as girls can in one night what it takes up to three months to make back home, they will be doing extras.

The original argument that clubs with an "extras allowed" reputation makes more money for non-extras dancers just doesn't make sense to me. There will be a certain amount of one-time sales for the non-extras dancers, but once a customer has been disappointed with a dancer, she'll be dead to him for all his subsequent visits.

I've found that dancers who don't want to do extras stay away from clubs that get the reputation for being "loose and free" with the rules.

true but if you got enough money you can land the girls that are more selective. I have found strippers that might have a couple guys on the side, that make up the difference in income they make at the club and what they need to live. Then you got girls that will do BBFS with any guy that comes in. Wide variance so a lot of the nice girls you think don't mess around will a little for the right guy, who spends big and comes across as charming over time.

@10: agreed. IME dancers gravitate to the clubs with rules that match their willingness.

@BigBill: "the nice girls you think don't mess around will a little for the right guy" = precisely what I seek and have yet to find. :( I guess I'm just not the right guy.

This may be true, but at an extras club like Treasures, gals who don't play will stay away.

The pattern I've seen is that the less attractive dancers do extras to hold their own against the more attractive dancers.

Extras are the spice of life !! Long live, "Extras" !!

Extras, don't knock it if you havn't tried it.

Not that I'm condoning ITC, but it just so happens SC got backed up last night.

I went to go see a clean dancer I haven't seen in weeks. About a month ago she went from a nearly, if not all, clean club to a pretty dirty one. The old club ironically was physically pretty dirty and charged $20/30 on dances where the new one was nice, clean and charged $30/40 on the dances. I was there for about an hour or so before she got there checking the place out. In that time, I was offered a 'dick massage', to 'play with your dick', and 'take care of you' *nudge* *nudge* *wink* *wink* by at least two dancers, the third was more ambiguous, one flat out asked 'don't you want to come for me?'

While we chatted and caught up, I asked how she liked the new place? She said she has more competition and there's more dirty dancers. I said, 'Yeah! I was offered two hand jobs!' She said, 'Nuh uh?' I said, 'Yeah! Right at the table! But, at least they asked. Remember I had that dancer at _________ just reach in my pants and go to town during a reg lap dance trying to get me in VIP.' But, she said she was also making better money.

I asked if she 'felt any pressure from management to get dirty.' She said, 'no.' 'But it's only been a month,' I said.

Anyhow, as far as what SC was saying, clean dancers can feel a sales bump from the nasty girls!

I would think with all the money prostitute strippers make, their medication is simply seeing their bank account get bigger. Who needs drugs when your money can be used to fine dine, get fancy massages and buy a luxury house. Meds cant help you do that.

If that were true, I think you'd see a lot of non-extras dancers saying that on Stripperweb (how the dirties bring traffic into the club). While some dancers don't have a clue, very many of them are keenly aware of exactly how their bread is buttered.

People, listen to the wisdom of The Cat and learn.