Music and Race and A Long Time No See!
fetish_dancer
Florida
When I first joined I had a similar topic. Basically playing to the crowd. And yes, this is also a race topic; I saw a few of them around.
I'm mixed, and I fucking love rock. Led Zepplin, Ozzy, Metallica, Skid Row -- all of that. I love 90s house and Russian techno, also.
The racial component to this is that when I first started dancing a coupla years ago, I wouldn't approach black patrons. For the most part, they were rude. Nowadays, I've gotten over that, because the majority of them are very nice, decent people who I like to sit and have conversation with. It's the "thug-lifers" I can't stand, and one of the reasons I would never approach them after a set or for dollar dances is because they would criticize my music.
I put up with quite a bit. I'm never mouthy to customers and don't tell them to fuck off, even if they're pushy and impatient. But please, black patrons, just because I'm mixed doesn't mean I like rap. I *hate* rap. I never dance to it. I can't count the number of times I've heard some black dude make a comment about my music choice or criticize me openly to my face about the fact I'm trying to "act white" or some dumb shit. I've been told specifically by patrons. that I need to change my stage name and dance to rap if I want to be tipped. And I can honestly say I've never snapped back. I just say "thanks for the input" and walk away. I know you're here to relax and act like guys, but it's just common decency, in my opinion. Some girls like the thug-life guys, and if they want to be rained on and play rap and be asked a dozen times for OTC, cool beans. I'll go chill with the older black guy or the white guys and have a great conversation.
ANYWAY, music. I make it a point to play unique music that's really not "clubbish." Does anyone have any faves/songs they like hearing in a club that aren't really on the SC grid? For instance, I play Bloodhound Gang and MC Hammer, no kidding. I just get tired of hearing rap all night, so I mix it up a bit.
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Welcome back. :)
also: is The Bloodhound Gang song this one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3xpS9oJi…
A long time ago I fell for a black girl who danced to Mountain's Mississippi Queen. it was pretty damn hot!
and no, doc, I prefer this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8tyehOb5…
Rock is the hottest thing to dance to, imo. There's so many facets to it. With rap, you just bounce your ass, which I can't do very well. Stereotype fail.
1) The Water Song by Hot Tuna (A real Long Shot)
2) The single (techno) version of "You Got Me Rocking" by the Rolling Stones
3) I never hear this one played: Robert Palmer - "Addicted to Love"
So, thugs in a SC will try to deny the "blackness" of a mixed race dancer, taunting her to be more like them in order to prove her blackness. If you are "down" with them they will buy dances. Oh, but you must also conform your musical taste to theirs. (Check with Miles Davis, above.)
Earlier this year a 40 year old teacher I know from hanging out at a local watering hole told me that my hand-tied bow tie, formal speech pattern, social manners and skin color were all wrong. According to her I should get in a tanning booth, change my style of dress, use more slang laced with foul language and hide the fact that I read a lot. "Then you will be a true brotha," she said. This sister has a completly shaved head, hoop earrings and a sculpted body that looks like it was carved by Michaelangelo from black marble. She meets my forehead with hers. (I'm 6'3")
I told her that I did not get to where I am by bowing and scrapng to white people and, at 65, I'm not going to start bowing and scraping to black people. The I backed her against the wall turned my back her, pushed my butt into her hips and gave her a lap dance. Paid her bar tab, untied my bow tie, tipped the bartender and left the crowd with their jaws dropping. (True story.)
You are handling those thugs with style and maturity. Continue to be strong. You will always feel better when you are true to yourself.
What has this race stuff got to do with the purpose of this board?
Two years ago, I went for a visit to Albuquerque. I had planned to show my date what it was like to be in a city with lots of live music. But once I arrived, it turned out that the live music scene had all but disappeared. It disappeared because in the early 90's, the clubs invested heavily in rap and went after rap customers. By the time the clubs figured out that rap customers don't pay, it was too late-the live music scene had died.
In 2009, OTC Gal was my ATF. She was making 300-400 a night at St. James, then, for some insane idea, she decided to dance at a black club that only played rap. She was onstage five times as much, and was lucky to take home 100 a night, and often didn't make that. For that month, I also pulled away from her, so she wasn't making OTC money. She saw the error of her ways (in that respect).
@SD: That's a pretty awesome story. I appreciate your input. Race isn't a humongous factor for me like it used to be, but I can't help but make observations, you know?
@rell: I read your thread and I have to say, I really respect a lot of what you have to say. My club checks everybody, and the black guys get as much love as anyone else, but I have danced at clubs where they were either ignored or seemed to be turned away. While I am biased toward thug-lifers, it's wrong to drive away business on basis of race.
@runrdude: Lynyrd Skynyrd? I play them a lot. It's not too country, though sometimes I will play Hank Williams Jr. if the mood strikes, haha.
@Dudester: How foolish! The crowd they should have gone after was both your style and also the newly emerging House music, which at that time was pretty big and was considered a "black" thing. It was hot back then; they could have catered to all customers doing that.
I could never dance at an all-black club. Even the darker dancers I work with say they couldn't, because they don't want to dance around "ghetto" people. I get that. Glad your gal learned :)
@Sinclair: I've noticed that, too, but if you look at the fashion industry, there are some truly beautiful African models. Dark as jet and gorgeous. Maybe the music and acting fields need to take a hint from the modeling agencies.
Sadly, it's pretty rare that I become anyone's money slave at a SC, since I almost never hear any of the above.
I did once hear a divey club play a Leonard Cohen song, and I actually did a double take to be sure I was hearing right!
Welcome back, fetish_dancer!
Mirwais - Disco Science! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTKG4WijF…
Lo Fi Allstars - Battleflag - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmLcWQTb-…
Lo Fi Allstars - Somebody Needs You - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrbNiN2bF…
That last song is less electronic, but none the less BEGS a stripper to dance to it!
Jimi Hendrix - Red House http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbqchLSjA…
Led Zeppelin - Since I've Been Loving You http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bkjv9Ssco…
AC/DC - The Jack - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW2heKjzj…
The last one is about VD, but I've heard Down with the Sickness more times than I can count in strip clubs, so fuck it!
When September Ends tonight :D
@rh48hr: Very good analysis. I love dancing so I work hard up there, but it's 2/3rds for my pleasure. I like customers to leave the tip row happy, however.
I enjoyed CREAM, Grand Funk Railroad, ELP, Doors, etc in the 70's and I was also a musician (check that: a drummer.) It's the Dancer who can interpret the music and make me focus on her that will get my $$, timer and undivided attention.
I recall listening and watching a dancer in a Houston SC gyrate to Nine Inch Nails and became transfixed. I HAD to get up off my ASS to watch her up close and reward her with a steam of cash. I still see that in my mind's eye.
BOTTOM LINE: I agree with SUPER DUDE: Just DO You. Fucketh Thou Nubian Thugs
@rh48hr: If you are gentle with the touching and don't try to pull my boobs off -- some guys DO seem to think they come off -- you're my kinda custie :D
@dennyspade: Hey, DS. Love The Doors and NIN. Jim Morrison just has a sexy voice and NIN has intense thrashing music. My favorite comment when I get down from stage to a song like March of the Pigs or Mr. Self-Destruct is "do you fuck like you dance?"
Dazed and Confused is one of my favorite songs.
And I think Marilyn Manson's version of Sweet Dreams would be perfect for a slow seductive dance.
Anyhow, the most unusual rock song I've seen used for a stage routine was Black Sabbath's War Pigs. The girl was young and very likely using chemical additives at the time. And one song I'd think would be perfect but have never seen used would be She's a Beauty, an MTV hit by The Tubes in the '80s.
@3LeggedMan: That song is very beautiful. I've never danced to it, but I'm sure I will eventually. I *do*, however, dance to War Pigs quite a bit. Never danced to or heard (in a club) She's a Beauty. Great suggestions :D