The Dangers of not Negotiating Before You go to VIP - Is Valentine a ROB or did
Player11
Texas
Jim is a VIP member at a club that is very extras friendly. There are always a lot of hot girls on shift. He called and told me this story.
Friday nite about 6PM he came into to the club with $280. Something told him to skip the club and go home but he went anyway anxious to see what gals on shift. He had pussy with his ATF on Wednesday for $200 otc who dances at the club who he has seen for months. He just wanted to chill and enjoy the free admission and free buffet and take say two dances max. The last time he was in the club was when he did his ATF in CR for $120 the Saturday before (so 2x in less than a week).
A hot tall blonde dancer (about 5" 10"), 20 named Valentine plopped down beside him in a bikini like outfit. She mentioned she is night shift and works from 5pm to 2am. After some conversation they went to the upstairs VIP area ($125 for non members, but no charge for members). A Bartender / Mgr checked his VIP card and drivers liscense while he and Val engaged in small talk about how her x BF had beaten her (wonder why?). He got the impression this was not the first time someone had beaten her.
Valentine took him to a area against the wall and made a couch fort. She stripped everything off and got in his lap in the nude (this is a topless club lol). She did some french kissing and Jim got some mileage. He put $40 on the table by the couch (for 2 dances?). Then she started to suck his dick and it was a fantastic BJ. At this point he was out of his mind and says he simply forgot about negotiating price of extras.... It then went to sex (he put a condom on) and Val went up and down in his lap plus he kissed with her more plus groping her boobs. She said "I use those kind of condoms too" she said smiling, but he wondered if she simply would have done him without one if he had made no effort putting one on. It was nice and tight as she is 20. After about 7-10 min he came. The used condom fell on the floor. Jim reached to pick it up but Val said "I will clean it up." He put $210 on the table saying "here's the rest of what I have. That was so fantastic, your so beautiful." Val said "I need another $100 we will go to downstairs ATM."
They took the elevator downstairs and at the ATM she said she needed $200. Jim gave her $200 not wanting an arguement but thinking what a ROB. Val asked when they could meet again and Jim mentioned he had been getting it otc for $200 and itc for $100 - $150. Val said that was way too low (she is a tall, hot 20 yr old blonde from Lousiana). He took her ph # (turned out to be fake) and she took his business card. He said Val was really good, some of the best he had had and got him off easily (I guess that tight pussy LOL).
My take on this is Jim should have negotiated POP before going to VIP as Val easily had her way with him. I also cautioned Jim on how pissed his ATF would be if she found about his adventure with Val especially what Val charged him was more than what he paid for 2 sessions with her.
How would you handle Val before going to VIP. Would you ask what services she offers and her best price or simply state what you pay? IMO Val is a ROB bc she did not mention what she wanted for the FS. What if Jim had balked at paying the extra $200 - remember Val said first said $100 but changed her mind to $200 once the elevator reached downstairs where the ATM is.
Friday nite about 6PM he came into to the club with $280. Something told him to skip the club and go home but he went anyway anxious to see what gals on shift. He had pussy with his ATF on Wednesday for $200 otc who dances at the club who he has seen for months. He just wanted to chill and enjoy the free admission and free buffet and take say two dances max. The last time he was in the club was when he did his ATF in CR for $120 the Saturday before (so 2x in less than a week).
A hot tall blonde dancer (about 5" 10"), 20 named Valentine plopped down beside him in a bikini like outfit. She mentioned she is night shift and works from 5pm to 2am. After some conversation they went to the upstairs VIP area ($125 for non members, but no charge for members). A Bartender / Mgr checked his VIP card and drivers liscense while he and Val engaged in small talk about how her x BF had beaten her (wonder why?). He got the impression this was not the first time someone had beaten her.
Valentine took him to a area against the wall and made a couch fort. She stripped everything off and got in his lap in the nude (this is a topless club lol). She did some french kissing and Jim got some mileage. He put $40 on the table by the couch (for 2 dances?). Then she started to suck his dick and it was a fantastic BJ. At this point he was out of his mind and says he simply forgot about negotiating price of extras.... It then went to sex (he put a condom on) and Val went up and down in his lap plus he kissed with her more plus groping her boobs. She said "I use those kind of condoms too" she said smiling, but he wondered if she simply would have done him without one if he had made no effort putting one on. It was nice and tight as she is 20. After about 7-10 min he came. The used condom fell on the floor. Jim reached to pick it up but Val said "I will clean it up." He put $210 on the table saying "here's the rest of what I have. That was so fantastic, your so beautiful." Val said "I need another $100 we will go to downstairs ATM."
They took the elevator downstairs and at the ATM she said she needed $200. Jim gave her $200 not wanting an arguement but thinking what a ROB. Val asked when they could meet again and Jim mentioned he had been getting it otc for $200 and itc for $100 - $150. Val said that was way too low (she is a tall, hot 20 yr old blonde from Lousiana). He took her ph # (turned out to be fake) and she took his business card. He said Val was really good, some of the best he had had and got him off easily (I guess that tight pussy LOL).
My take on this is Jim should have negotiated POP before going to VIP as Val easily had her way with him. I also cautioned Jim on how pissed his ATF would be if she found about his adventure with Val especially what Val charged him was more than what he paid for 2 sessions with her.
How would you handle Val before going to VIP. Would you ask what services she offers and her best price or simply state what you pay? IMO Val is a ROB bc she did not mention what she wanted for the FS. What if Jim had balked at paying the extra $200 - remember Val said first said $100 but changed her mind to $200 once the elevator reached downstairs where the ATM is.
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A fool and his money are soon parted.
Or,
The money is irrelevant. Jim had a good time, and paid what she asked because it was no big deal.
Just wondering how much does the VIP membership cost? You said it costs $125 each time for non-members but I do not see what the price of the VIP membership was.
If this was the first time Jim has been screwed over like this then it can be a good lesson. $200 is not gonna break the bank for him. A Mcd's worker could probably make that up in a week (assuming $7 per hour * 40 hours in a week = 7 *40 = $280, which would be about $200 after taxes, etc.)
If this has happened to Jim before, then he needs to start getting his shit together.
"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me"
Money is just not worth a major hassle.
$450 is the price amateurs and idiots spend for FS ITC. Surprised this Jim character didn't buy a bottle of champagne too.
Some good comments, appreciate your input. I agree with you Clubber on paying the money and learning from it. Jim had a good experience and did not want a scene where mgt might have become involved. Why take a chance on losing your VIP membership?
gk - I like your comment, it sums it all up.
Why is everyone so afraid of standing their ground. Strippers who provide extras need to be as upfront and clear about it as escorts, no difference whatsoever. If they are not, they risk the perils of not getting paid, plain and simple.
We inherently want to do the right thing, but if the girl is unclear about the price then these problems arise to more customers than just Jim. If Jim pays for his lap dances and drink tab, the club's interest is complete. This is why escorts are always clear about rate and time, strippers providing extras should be as clear.