Good idea gone bad? Strip Mob for climate change (video).
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The day before the House was to vote on a controversial energy bill destined to be the largest tax hike in American history, it was revealed that the Environmental Protection Agency had suppressed an internal report challenging the entire global warming myth.
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Plants grow better with more CO2. Plants and crops and our food do not grow well if there is a late freeze. New York City has yet to reach 85 degrees this year I heard a couple of days ago. It was snowing in the Middle East last year where it hadn't for over 100 years I thought I heard. I don't mind if other countries citizens are required to spend all their income for a slight decrease in CO2 gas but please inform everyone here in the US the truth.
Besides in less than 50 years, over 75 percent of all humans on this planet will be dead. Of course that's too far away for most to be concerned except when it comes to Greenhouse gases. I think Armageddon will happen around 2055 or 2056. One last big battle for all those who survived until then. The environmentalists would be happier if we all died sooner I believe.
Those trying to make the weather a crisis are actually seeking to gain more control over more fiscal resources.
Consider the Tokyo Protocols. Why do you suppose the worst polluters on the planet (by FAR) were explicitly exempted? It's certainly not because China and Japan are such buds. Rather, China was already socialist, and therefore not a target of the climate-crisis movement.
"New York City has yet to reach 85 degrees this year I heard a couple of days ago."
It's been in the mid 80s-lower 90s in Central Park, NY in both May & April of this year. It's been in the mid 80s-lower 90s at LGA this past April thru July. It's been in the mid 80s at JFK this past April. You don't know what you are talking about c-guy.
It's important to note that minor changes in weather over a scale of a year or so mean nothing to climate change, which occurs on scales of 30+ years.
"Besides in less than 50 years, over 75 percent of all humans on this planet will be dead."
From what?? This is crazy talk...
Of course, the same hysterics who have been bleating about "global warming" were also warning about "the next ice age" a few decades ago when the trend was cooling. Those folks should definitely stay out of the stock market... "Oh, look! We'll be millionaires within a year at this rate!" "Oh, no! We'll be broke within a year at this rate!"
I am fully aware of the cyclical patterns of weather. It was a rhetorical question.
Our existence on earth is a mere speck in time. Trying to extrapolate weather info from the relatively short time we have accurately measured it seems to ignore the radical weather changes experienced in the past million or so years. I agree, the global warming hysteria is just that, unfounded hysteria.
I heard that New York City hadn't reached 85 degrees on the weather channel. Apparently they did not know what they were talking about. I thought they actually reported factual information. If you can't trust them, can you really trust the reports about global warming coming from the government? I would like it if the temperature was 2 degrees cooler but I don't think it's going to matter that much. Do you want your electric bill to double? I guess if you don't care, then you're all in favor of Cap and Tax.
We could always dump some iron ore in the oceans if we wanted to reduce CO2 cheaply.
Your observations are right on target, casualguy, but I think the answer to the "Why?" question is different than to "reduce the global temperature." I believe the reason the liberals have been pursuing heavy taxes on things that might be blamed for climate change is simply to gain more control over more resources for central government. They are liberals/socialists first; environmentalism is just a convenient cloak to drape over their actual intentions.
It's not hard to find the experts, and figure out who the few screwballs are. It's just like dealing with holocaust historians, and then finding a few holocaust denyers. Somewhere in there, you get a sense that NOTHING can be "proven" beyond a shadow of a doubt; but that the normal folk who don't have their heads up their asses are all in agreement on some major, main points; that there might be subtle delineations and discrepancies among the major theories; but that in general, the minor differences don't radically alter the major conclusions, or, if they do, not to the extent that the nay-sayers would pretend they do. So, the nay-sayers base their conclusions on bad thinking, and the sensible people who are NOT experts, actually figure out who the experts are, defer to them, listen to a wide range of them, and then develop the skill of looking at the whole ongoing discourse.
That's why I think that anyone who ascribes the notion of global warming to "hysteria" or implies there are political motivations behind such claims, are fucking idiots. It is patently, absurdly obvious, that the experts know, and have known for about 50 years, that catastrophic climate change is being caused by man's abuse of the environment, and that this change is reversible, and that it is not the same as momentary lapses upwards or downwards from the norm which form part of the usual climate's variance in short- or long-term cylces.
I also think that anyone who takes a day's or year's personal experience as evidence, is a fucking idiot. "Hey, it was hot last June, hotter than I ever remembered June being, when I was growing up. So I believe in global warming" is just as fucking idiotic as, "Scientists don't know because nobody can predict the future."
We don't need fucking idiots killing off humanity. Get a degree in climatology, or listen to the expert climatologists and defer to their superior skills. Or, if you think there's no global warming, then, to support it, please find a CONSENSUS among a WIDE RANGE of SKILLED AND QUALIFIED climatologists, none of whom have any political motivation, and DOCUMENT it. You'll be the first human on the planet to have succeeded in that task.
And why didn't the strippers take all their clothes off?
I therefore propose a solution to this problem:
Anyone who believes it should do his or her part to save the planet -- Stop breathing.
Meanwhile, feel free to believe whatever expert opinion you like. But anyone trying to take money from me to "fix" this "problem" is going to meet with my staunch resistance... And the liberals are trying to do exactly that.
It does not appear that you got your head fully out of your ass before writing your comments.
The are hundreds of accredited scientist/climatologists that dispute the global warming hysteria.
You make the point that one hot day as evidence is laughable since you comment that we have known for 50 years about the man made catastrophe. The earth has been in existence for approx 4.5 billion years. Anything we measure currently and try to extrapolate over global trending is ridiculous. Our existence/impact on the earths climate has about as much credence as saying if I put a beet in Lake Michigan, anyone drinking the water will get drunk.
The earth has experienced 4 ice ages in its history. We are currently in an ice age(they last millions of years). Scientists believe we are in the glacial retreat phase.
Ice core samples/analysis have shown that the earth is at its coolest in over 600 million years. The core analysis also shows we have less CO2 in the atmosphere now than we did over 1 million years ago. However, studies have also shown there is no historical correlation between CO2 levels and temperature.
As How said earlier, it wasn't that long ago that the hysteria mongers were worried about global cooling.
The strippers did not take off all of their clothes because they were cold.
If Cap and Trade passes and everyone's electric rates double or triple along with high gas prices, I believe the next election will have new politicians in office. Therefore I think if enacted, the politicians may enact the new taxes in stages, so that the new taxes don't cost them their own job. I believe there is a good chance all these new taxes will become law. If enacted immediately I expect huge increases in my electric bill and in gas prices at the pump and in food prices as prices are passed along. Therefore I will need to cut way back on all my other discretionary spending. I'm hoping I don't have to do that. Others who already are having a tough time making ends meet will be going further in the hole. An economic depression I believe with factories shut down and no money for cleanups etc. will be a far worse ecological nightmare than other approaches. However I will probably be called an idiot by someone for voicing my opinion since some on here like to label everyone an idiot that does not agree with their viewpoints.
Hey, apparently during the last Ice Age, the average global temperature was only a few degrees Centigrade cooler than it is right now.
"Do you want your electric bill to double? I guess if you don't care, then you're all in favor of Cap and Tax."
Well, we could not pass Cap & Trade (Cap & Trade is a concept that I'm opposed to BTW), and I bet that our electric bills would continue to go up. We need a *real*, long-term energy policy in this country that doesn't having us depending on finite sources of energy far into the future.
"I'm not sure about April or May but so far this summer according to www.weather.com, the high temperature in New York City has not exceeded 85 degrees this summer."
Check the actual data yourself:
http://www.weather.gov/climate/index.php…
Meteorological summer starts in June BTW.
"The other planets in our solar system have experienced global warming as well in the last few decades."
Even if that were true, who cares...we live on Earth c-guy.
"We could always dump some iron ore in the oceans if we wanted to reduce CO2 cheaply."
They apparently don't even know what the total CO2 storage capacity of the Earth's oceans is yet.
"Ice core samples/analysis have shown that the earth is at its coolest in over 600 million years."
Ice core samples really have very little to do with the modern ways that temperature has been measured.
"Global cooling has been going on the last few years."
Again, even if that were true, what has happened over "the last few years" has *nothing* to do with long-term global climate change.
Go check out www.weather.com
Check out June and July high temperatures for New York City, New York. Go contact them and tell them what a bunch of liars they are because they have been lying about greenhouse gases and global warming telling everyone the temperature has not hit 85 degrees there this summer. They must be putting incorrect data on their web site too because I did check it. By the way most places report city temperatures at the airports from what I've heard. If you go to your website you listed and look at the airport temperatures for June and July, you'll see that the temperature has not reached 85 degrees this summer. That is likely the spot the weather channel is reporting about. Reporting city temperatures based on information from a local airport is typical.
I think we should also spread some iron ore into the ocean as an experiment to observe how the ocean reacts. Not too concentrated in one area or you could create an oxygen dead spot unless it doesn't matter because it's already a dead spot like near New Orleans. However the area may need to be clear for shipping reasons.
Because it is not intended to fix anything. The folks who want to confiscate more of your money via increased taxes are very interested in controlling more of individuals' resources, and thus increasing dependency on the central government. They are statists, liberals, socialists. All leftists are explicitly anti-american, by definition. They are the enemies of liberty.
And we've given them total control of our federal government...
You don't know what you are talking about when it comes to THIS planet, let alone other planets (which are at different distances from the Sun, have different atmospheric compositions, are of different sizes, etc., etc.).
"I suggest incentives not taxes."
I agree, but we already have a system in place that incentivizes SUVs more than it does for hybrids, which is crazy IMO.
"Go contact them and tell them what a bunch of liars they are because they have been lying about greenhouse gases and global warming telling everyone the temperature has not hit 85 degrees there this summer."
Screw The Weather Channel. All they do is report on the weather, and the NWS is the official source for weather observations in this country.
"By the way most places report city temperatures at the airports from what I've heard."
No shit Sherlock...
"If you go to your website you listed and look at the airport temperatures for June and July, you'll see that the temperature has not reached 85 degrees this summer."
You really are a fool c-guy. It reached 85F at LGA on July 6th & June 26th. Ramble on though...
"I heard the government cut funding for hydrogen research (at least in our state)."
Good, hydrogen fuel cells are a pipe dream.
"I can't imagine a big rig traveling hundreds of miles on an electric charge"
...which is why they should probably be converted to natural gas...kind of like Boone Pickens wants to do.
"All leftists are explicitly anti-american, by definition. They are the enemies of liberty."
Sheer & utter Right-wing nonsense...give it a rest sometime "how"...
http://townhall.com/columnists/WalterEWi…
The *real point* though c-guy, which you apparently will *never* get, is that you have no real point. What has happened over a few months at ONE location in the USA means nothing when it comes to long-term global climate change, period. Give it up...you simply don't know what you're talking about!
"Of course, denying the obvious is a necessity for being liberal."
This kind of wild hyperbole from someone that doesn't even know the definition of probability...lol...what a joke...
And I absolutely won't willingly pay money for programs devised by those who claim they DO know what the climate will do.
They can't even tell us how the climate will be tomorrow, with much accuracy. One thing is certain. If tomorrow, you find the right dancer in the right club , and have the cash, the temperature will greatly increase!
Nonsense, and when referring to "tomorrow", it's weather, not climate you moron.
Did you hear something that sounded like a stripper farting?
MG, I hope you also don't mind me believing what I choose. In your case, I perceive you are convinced by evidence presented by various learned scientists. In my case, I am convinced by scientific evidence/observation as well, at least in part. Neither of us are wacky for our vastly-different beliefs on climatological patterns and trends.
But my guard goes up when anyone suggests to me that we KNOW what we only suspect. And my ire is raised when anyone suggests I pay for a solution to a problem I am convinced does not exist, particularly when the clear motivation for their suggestion is to gain more control over individuals and thus further erode liberty. Yes, I truly see that as the motivation behind certain lawmakers' quest for "climate legislation."
Peace.
Your calling Clubber a moron for using climate instead of weather shows how narrow minded you have become. When I read the comments by Clubber, I fully understood his message. Meteorologists have a common saying, climate is what you expect, weather is what you get.
The discussion was about climate change/global warming, and no one can predict with accuracy the climate or weather tomorrow.
LOL...how exactly do I "believe"?? I have stated very clearly that I am no fan of Cap & Trade OR the idea that global warming is an actual problem. I feel that labeling CO2 as a "pollutant" is counter-productive. What I dislike is pseudo-science masquerading as real science & people that obviously don't know what they are talking about rambling on & on.
"MG, I hope you also don't mind me believing what I choose."
Sure, this is America. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, even if it isn't based on any actual facts.
"And my ire is raised when anyone suggests I pay for a solution to a problem I am convinced does not exist, particularly when the clear motivation for their suggestion is to gain more control over individuals and thus further erode liberty."
Look, this is just more of your constant barrage of nonsense against "liberals". Don't expect me to take any of that nonsense seriously. You, as usual, are letting your obvious Right-wing bias cloud your better judgment...and so be it.
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"Your calling Clubber a moron for using climate instead of weather shows how narrow minded you have become. When I read the comments by Clubber, I fully understood his message"
...because you were able to see through his obvious stupidity, which is what I pointed out in the first place.
"no one can predict with accuracy the climate or weather tomorrow."
Once again, this is sheer nonsense. The general accuracy rate for weather forecasts has drastically improved in recent decades. Is it perfect? Of course not, especially since the science of meteorology is still relatively young. But to state broadly what you & clubber have tried to state is simple hyperbolic nonsense, period.
The nonsense is in your comment. A common definition of tomorrow is "in the future". As in, Detroit is now designing the cars for tomorrow. And accuracy of future forecasts is limited at best. They still can not predict tornadoes, hurricanes etc., and if I am not mistaken, I believe they are considered weather.
Sorry, but I guess I have to agree with mg. He is a PRO at nonsense! Plus, being considered stupid by mg is a compliment, since I am certain he does not consider himself stupid, therefore I would be the opposite of him. Makes me a fucking EINSTEIN!!!
Sheesh...talking with ignorants on here gets very tiresome..."they" can indeed predict tornadoes & hurricanes waaaay better than just 25 years ago. Wake up smell the coffee...
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"Plus, being considered stupid by mg is a compliment, since I am certain he does not consider himself stupid, therefore I would be the opposite of him. Makes me a fucking EINSTEIN"
...in your dreams moron...
MG, the only improved forecasting of any significance is in the short term path of the storm, not the frequency, strength etc. The current forecast for my area this year is 50% chance it will not be a normal year. Big prediction, it is either going to be normal or not normal. There isn't even a consensus on what normal is other than a wide range based upon historical frequencies. Scientist are still try to figure out the causal relationships that make up forecasting models. I think your east coast liberalism is really beginning to affect your judgement.
You are expecting quite a lot from a science that's basically only been around for about 150 years.
"The current forecast for my area this year is 50% chance it will not be a normal year."
If you are talking about a seasonal hurricane forecast or a long-term (seasonal or greater) forecast, then I agree that those forecasts aren't even worth the paper that they are printed on. However, that's a looong way away from making such a broad statement like:
"no one can predict with accuracy the climate or weather tomorrow."
"There isn't even a consensus on what normal is other than a wide range based upon historical frequencies."
Once again, you don't know what it is that you are talking about. Climatic "normals" are usually only the average of what has occurred over the last 30 years, and they are updated every ten years (by dropping the oldest ten years worth of data & adding the latest ten years worth of data).
"Scientist are still try to figure out the causal relationships that make up forecasting models."
LOL...are the numerical models that meteorologists use every day to help predict the weather perfect? No way, but they are waaaay better than the numerical models that were in use not more than 20 years ago. Get a clue...
You're confusing what the general public thinks of as "normal" with what the meteorological community thinks of as normal. People wonder all the time if they are or aren't "normal", when really all there is objectively is an average & deviations from that average.
Please, who were you talking about exactly then moron?? Give us all a break. Do something "constructive" with your life, like go to a George Wallace retrospective & cheer about "the good ole days".
When did I ever say that?? Oh yea, it was never...
BTW, I'm sorry...what do you think "Simple, ignorant, liberal, fools" is?? Not name calling?? Please, you're so stupid clubber that it should be illegal to make fun of you...it's oh so easy...
"I guess just another of your liberal lies."
Sure, sure...you never agreed with the likes George Wallace on the issue of race...in your dreams that is...LOL!
Your east coast liberalism is now affecting your memory. You clearly called clubber a moron in this thread.
a) His IQ is just plain low
b) He is a loser with nothing more to his life than paying whores for sex. But he won't admit this to himself. To escape the cognitive dissonance he attempts to portray himself as an heroic battler against (imagined) racism, misogyny, homophobia, and holocaust denial.
c) MisterGay is just plain... well gay.
Not a problem. Just like his racist comments. I mention something George Wallace predicted over 40 years ago, and he thinks that makes me a racist.
One need only look at the source to understand that what is said is of no concern to me.
One major difference between liberals and conservatives...
Conservatives will readily admit they are conservative.
Liberals won't admit they are liberal, but rather use "progessive" as their code word.
Such is life!
That is one of the reasons I use this picture, as most liberals are also animal "rights" wacko's.
Did I ever say that I didn't?? Nope.
"I mention something George Wallace predicted over 40 years ago, and he thinks that makes me a racist."
No, you agree with a blatantly racist statement made by Wallace, and you got called out on that by numerous people...including me, period. Don't bother lying or back-peddling from it either.
"Conservatives will readily admit they are conservative.
Liberals won't admit they are liberal, but rather use 'progessive' as their code word."
What an insane, delusional world you must live in clubber...my goodness...
I agreed that what he said came true, the same as I will admit what Galileo said about the earth being round. That doesn't make me an astronomer! What flawed "logic" you try to foist on others!
Yes, it is an "insane, delusional world" I live in. And the liberals are making it more so, minute by minute, hour by hour, and day by day.
At least you've admitted that!
Score sheet
Inning 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
mg 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1
Clubber 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 X
Give him the ninth since he admitted that liberals have created an "insane" and "delusional" world!
GAME OVER! mg looses AGAIN!
Notice MisterGay's reference to George Wallace. Does MisterGay think this is still the 60's? He does seem to be charging alot of the windmills on the past.
In conclusion, not only is MisterGay a complete loser and a short bus rider, but he is also a liar.
This is what you said:
"You can't raise the black man to the level of the white man, but you can lower the white man to the level of the black man.
I can say that at the time I did not agree with him, but history has proved him correct to this point in time."
http://www.tuscl.net/dt.php?DID=73651
You agreed with a *blatantly racist statement*, which makes YOU a racist clubber. You also tried, unsuccessfully of course, to back-pedal from that statement, but it was VERY clear what you meant by it, period.
"At least you've admitted that!"
Nope, try again liar.
"GAME OVER! mg looses AGAIN!"
Now you're going to try & emulate a proven troll?! What a pathetic old, racist fool you really are clubber...
You make this so simple! You even posted a link to direct others to your lies!!! The statement you attribute to me, well a LIE! Saying I agreed with the statement, a LIE!
The ENTIRE post with nothing out of context:
"Reminds me of a politician in the late 60's that said, and I paraphrase, You can't raise the black man to the level of the white man, but you can lower the white man to the level of the black man.
I can say that at the time I did not agree with him, but history has proved him correct to this point in time."
So, mg, what LIE are you going to come up with to try and cover your LYING ignorant ass this time?
Imagine, someone so stupid they point out their own LIE. What a laugh you have given me, and I am sure, others.
The original statement was:
"Reminds me of a politician in the late 60's that said, and I paraphrase, You can't raise the black man to the level of the white man, but you can lower the white man to the level of the black man.
I can say that at the time I did not agree with him, but history has proved him correct to this point in time."
This is already pretty indicative of racism because it quotes George Wallace on a race issue. Nevertheless, I suppose there were statements made by Hitler on race that, in isolation, one could agree with, and, in strictly in a logical sense, not prove that Hitler was a racist (although the strange choice of whom to quote would make one very weary about the quoter and his motivations).
Clubber then goes on to say "history has proved him correct to this point in time". Again this is not complete agreement since Clubber could be thinking some future event will prove Wallace wrong but it hasn't happened yet. In fact, Clubber might even think Wallace probably will be proven wrong.
Logically, the analogy would be a mathematician saying "Goldbach said [Goldbach Conjecture]. I didn't agree when I first heard it, but so far history has shown no examples that he was wrong". From this you can't conclude that stater's current stance on the Goldbach Conjecture.
Ok, so Clubber was on a bit shaky ground right from the initial quote but I think it was going a bit too far to conclude he was a racist at that point. Unfortunately, later on in the thread Clubber goes on to say:
"All one need do is compare kids of today to those from his time. Only an idiot would not see HE was correct"
This time Clubber did not qualify it with "to this point in time", meaning the status of black today had proven Wallace correct. I don't think this is something anyone could agree with. Blacks have definitely made great progress in the last 40 years. Yes there is still some ways to go, but it is not even close to proven how much further they can go, and there is absolutely no proof their progress has stopped. IMO, hip hop and its glorification of ghetto life is a huge set back, but it will pass. As MisterGay says having a black man as a very good president is proof Wallace was wrong.
Finally, perhaps, Clubber merely mis-worded his second quote "Only an idiot would not see HE was correct" and meant "to this point in time"... I guess that is his out. OTOH, most sensible people will carefully word their statements on race because they know how sensitive an issue it is and won't want to be perceived as being on the racist side. The fact that Clubber doesn't do that is further proof that he may be a racist.
In conclusion, my analysis of the thread leads me think it is probable (>50%) that Clubber is a racist but it is not certain (100%).
Now might be a good time for Clubber to make some statement unambiguously distancing himself from racism.
Nice try, but your logic is tragically flawed by one statement.
"This time Clubber did not qualify it with "to this point in time", meaning the status of black today had proven Wallace correct."
The entire premise of his statement had nothing to do with the status of blacks, other then there was a difference between the two races. Yes, as you stated, blacks have made great progress. Also, as he predicted, white have narrowed the gap by going backwards. Of these two trends, I do not believe anyone can prove them incorrect.
Now, as to who is a PROVEN racist, mg has himself stated that he is. He has stated he supports Affirmative Action. Affirmative action is nothing but institutional racism, where certain racial groups are given rights or benefits, or get preferential treatment. And as this occurs, he is supporting reverse racism since members of a historically disadvantaged group are given these right or benefits at the expense of those of a historically advantaged group.
You know what you said & what you agreed with you moron. The record is very, very clear!
"Imagine, someone so stupid they point out their own LIE."
Nice try at projection there old man...
"The entire premise of his statement had nothing to do with the status of blacks, other then there was a difference between the two races."
Yea, in that one (whites) was superior to the other (blacks)...sheesh...
"Also, as he predicted, white have narrowed the gap by going backwards."
Nonsense.
"Now, as to who is a PROVEN racist, mg has himself stated that he is."
No, I never have. I am quite open to people of other races & diversity, I have dated a few black women in the past, I have had many black friends when I was growing up in a very diverse community, and I have no problem at all with black dancers.
"He has stated he supports Affirmative Action. Affirmative action is nothing but institutional racism, where certain racial groups are given rights or benefits, or get preferential treatment. And as this occurs, he is supporting reverse racism since members of a historically disadvantaged group are given these right or benefits at the expense of those of a historically advantaged group."
IMHO, there is no such thing as "reverse racism". True racism involves the use of power, and it's kind of hard to believe that whites in the USA are at the "mercy" of non-whites in the year 2009.
All affirmative action is is a group of policies that take gender, race, or ethnicity into account (among *many* other aspects) in an attempt to promote equal opportunity & increase ethnic diversity in workplaces & schools. The focus of such policies ranges from employment & public contracting goals, to educational outreach & health programs. The purpose of affirmative action is basically to maximize diversity and its benefits in all levels of society and to redress perceived disadvantages due to overt, institutional, or involuntary discrimination, which, in the USA, is well-documented.
The "problem" with this, from the Right-wing's point of view, is that they basically don't believe in the concept of equal opportunity or diversity.
I think MisterGay means 'dated', as in paid them for sex, since that is the only interaction a loser like him has with women.
Nonsense. This is a damn lie, told by damned liars. I am confident you would consider me "right-wing," and I can tell you I'm 100% for equal opportunity, as are all my "right-wing" acquaintances and friends. And diversity is a matter of course...being against diversity would be as nonsensical as being against the height of Pikes Peak, for example.
Affirmative action is explicitly in opposition to equal opportunity. Instead, it aims at some perceived equal outcome. Huge difference, and wrong for any government to try to impose.
Until you establish a semblance of credibility, I shall ignore you.
If that's your humble opinion, then your humble opinion is ridiculous. You do not get to redefine terms in hopes of winning a point in a discussion. Words mean what they mean.
Since 1933, the word "racism" has meant "a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race; racial prejudice or discrimination"
Anyone can hold such beliefs. To suggest otherwise to "immunize" some people from such universally-loathsome attitudes is a pitiful attempt to shut down meaningful discussion on the matter.
No, it isn't...it is merely a means to the end of equal opportunity. Someday, it will be unnecessary, but that day has not yet come IMHO.
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"Took the quotes right from YOUR posts mg"
No, I took YOUR quotes right from YOUR posts, liar.
"Until you establish a semblance of credibility, I shall ignore you."
No, you really won't...just like always. You'll just run away when it's blatantly apparent that you've lost, period.
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"You do not get to redefine terms in hopes of winning a point in a discussion."
Too bad that's NOT what I've tried to do.
"Since 1933, the word 'racism' has meant 'a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race; racial prejudice or discrimination'
Anyone can hold such beliefs."
Of course anyone can hold such beliefs, but that really, practically speaking of course, is just a prejudice that's occurs in one's mind. Actions (and there are all different types of actions that one or a group of people can take) against another are what truly hurt when it comes to racism, which is why I feel that true racism involves one group using their power (which can come from all sorts of different places) against another group of people that are of a different race.
BTW, calm the fuck down "how", no one has called you a racist, because you simply haven't shown any such traits here, unlike clubber...
MG: "No, it isn't...it is merely a means to the end of equal opportunity. Someday, it will be unnecessary, but that day has not yet come IMHO."
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how: Equal opportunity is the Beginning. Equal outcome is the End. (Relative to your expression "means to the end...") Trying to create equal outcome is chasing the wind, and is wrong for the government to be involved in, regardless. Ensuring equal opportunity is important and I can acknowledge the government's role in that. Affirmative Action in no way limits itself to ensuring equal opportunity, and in fact destroys equal opportunity--explicitly and deliberately.
...in your Right-wing opinion that is. You see, this is what I mean about some "conservatives" not being in favor of equal opportunity. Thanks for proving my point!
"Ensuring equal opportunity is important and I can acknowledge the government's role in that"
...which is what Affirmative Action is all about. Look, I wish it wasn't necessary, but to say the USA has moved past it's blatantly racist past is a real, cruel joke. As long as there are people around like clubber, we're going to need some AA.
a) flip a coin since race shouldn't be a factor
b) give it to the black kid as dictated by affirmative action
I think the right answer is clearly a), but since MisterGay thinks b) he is clearly a racist.
MISTEGAY LOSES AGAIN!
Don't you know that racists can only be white?
...in your Right-wing dreams that is. I accept your surrender as well "how"...
Interesting how someone is so functionally illiterate that they can't even grasp when they have been proven wrong. Yet when one quits wasting valuable time with them, they think they proved their point.
Sad, very truly sad.
It's also interesting how some old men on here can't seem to grasp the extreme irony when they make statements like this that fit them to a tee...lol...
I already reported myself. I figure if everyone does that, they will be overwhelmed and just give the whole thing up. Worse case, they get in my face, I know many good lawyers that would love to take a case like this to the Supreme Court, if need be.