Strip Club Weirdos and How to Deal With Them

Yes, guys should not try to do the things you describe, at least not in the way you are describing them.

Guys should not flat out ask for sex, as that is treating the girl like a prostitute. I do not ever do that!

Unfortunately some of the most well regarded posters on this forum do that and things like it as a matter of course.

As far as smelling your crotch, no they should not try to do that in the way you describe. But on the other hand, lots of guys are doing a great deal more than that, in some other clubs and with other girls, on a regular basis.

For myself, I love to eat out the dancers in San Francisco. Smell and taste work together. :)

I like doing that because I don't go along with the concept of extras. I say that paying money for 'extras' in a strip club is a chumps game.

Now San Francisco is not the wildest and wooliest of strip club metros. There are lots of places the members of this forum like which don't really even deserve to be called strip clubs, as they are completely FS oriented. In the future I plan to be visiting the most extreme of these clubs.

For myself, I don't go that way in San Francisco's strip clubs, because I like it better the way it is done in AMPs ( Asian Massage Parlors ). They do HJ ( hand jobs ), but I'm not interested in that. I go for FS. And usually it becomes a mind blowing GFE ( Girl Friend Experience, mostly meaning deep kissing with tongues ).

Most guys who go to AMPs will then while they are lying naked on their backs start offering the girl money for sex acts. I NEVER do anything like this, even if the girl is reluctant. I never offer them money.

I treat all women as civilians and in all situations. What money changes hands is simply a show of respect and care. And discussion of money always starts with the girl.

So I just treat the girl like I just met her at a party, and I come on to her. It doesn't always work, but often enough it turns into a makeout session followed by mind blowing FS. By the time we are done, more often than not, the girl wants me to take her home with me so that we can continue.

Now at some of the most liked strip clubs in this country, it is often very much like this. At some the girls just climb onto a guy's lap and then start licking his neck and nibbling at his ear. They are defying the guy to start making out with her.

Then after that they go into the back room. Sometimes the club doesn't even bother with back rooms. More deniability for the management that way. So they just complete what they've started on couches in darkened corners.

So the kinds of interactions, verbal and physical, which you are describing are not likely in these other kinds of environments, so long as the guy always treats the girls as civilians. But the actual intimacy level will go much higher than what you are describing.

My advice to customers is to always try to engage with the girl in the front room. Still feed her money, and it should be better as their is no house cut. Use words and physical affection to get to know her and get her softened up.

Don't let her sell you dances though, as that is a chumps game. Instead, wait until the back room is really necessary, like when the customer's pants are going to come down. Then invite the girl to the back room yourself, and you pay the toll, and continue.

If the girl won't get friendly in the front room, but promises what can happen in the back room, don't accept this. Don't argue with her, just be patient and keep trying to get to know her and get friendly. In the front room the customer can lead it. In the back room he is obligated to pay, so it is more fee for service and the girl will be dissociated in what ever she does. No good. No 'extras' for me, not even 'extras' styled FS.

I'm only interested in escort grade GFE-FS, and I get this in AMPs regularly. If that is not to be in strip clubs, then I'll go with our local Santa Clara County clubs, which are no touching and lower cost. Just looking and talking and flirting, plus some girls that do OTC.

And then of course DATYing them, instead of accepting ejaculation services, in San Francisco.

DATY = Dining At The Y = eating them out.

I love doing that, and it does soften up even the most case hardened.

My own ejaculation can wait until there may be such a time that she and I can have that high quality GFE-FS.

TaraChristine, you go ahead though and do things as it is done in your strip club, and as you like.

Thank you for joining TUSCL. You and your views are always welcome here. You will see that we have a large number of very loud voices. But do not feel intimidated by them. Just go ahead and keep posting. This forum benefits greatly from our female members.

SJG

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Years ago, my then CF told me about her weird offers. These stories made me realize I will not shock any one dancing for more than a few months. A guy would pay for her to fill a glass with her pee. In one of the bars she was able to do it in an old phone booth and he could watch. he would drink it down or mix it with his beer then drink it. Several guys would buy her used panties or socks. Some requested they be well used. Toe sucking. humiliation , and one guy wanted a kick in the nuts before the lap dance. Not too hard, just enough to hurt.

IDK. Most those guys don't sound so weird

"Or if your just a douche I'll lead you on with promises of more, get as much money out of you, and then tell security you're not following the rules. "

If the guy is a douche, why don't you just move on to the next ATM? Sounds like you enjoy the drama.

Geez, I feel like I just read a PL hater post on SW.

"Or if your just a douche I'll lead you on with promises of more, get as much money out of you, and then tell security you're not following the rules" " I don't extort customers. I don't quote false prices, I don't lie, I don't mislead,"

Sorry Tara your own words convict you would have been fine, until your last 2 paragraphs, they changed your entire narrative, from look at what I have to put up with, to what an evil bitch I can be, if you don't follow my rules. My take away from this is you are a major bitch, we wouldn't ever get along, and no I am not guilty of any of the creepy things you describe they are creepy, but I am not sure that you aren't looking for that kind of behavior to justify your rant.

Working w/ the public is never easy.

P.S. You sound like a total bitch – hope I never run into you

This bitch's bullshit is not worth a TUSCL VIP; IMO.

She is new to this forum. She works in a strip club and that is a tough environment. On this forum she is just as entitled to her opinions as you are to yours. Lighten up!

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I think what you guys are missing is the part where I said most guys are nice and will stop when I say stop. I approach everyone with honesty. I ALWAYS STATE CLEARLY WHAT I DO AND DON'T DO BEFORE I GO INTO A CR. But if I've given u 4 or 5 warnings that you are making me feel violated then why shouldn't I take your money? I have never extorted a respectful guy even when he's pulled his Penis out. But if you are rude and degrading to me and You seem to think you can help yourself to my body even though I've asked you nicely to stop pulling ur dick out or to let go of me then you deserve to get screwed over.

Ur about to get thrown out anyway . I was always kind till a guy tried to rape me even tho BEFORE we went to CR i told him no sex. SO I think guys like that deserve to have their wallets raped. It's a lot less damaging in my opinion. No means no. Don't want to get played listen the first 60 times I told them.

TaraChristine,

What you are saying sounds very reasonable to me.

I think what people are missing here is that you are working in a venue which you did not invent.

Where I am the strip clubs are no touching, and that makes it simpler. The only crossed wires come verbally.

What most of these tuscl members are used to are what in another country would be called a brothel.

Of the place you are at, it sounds like there often can be some touching if it is by consent. It always has to be buy consent anywhere.

So guys treat you like a vending machine, like someone who sells the most minor forms of sex acts for money.

This is where the problem arises, and you did not create this sort of a venue, you are just trying to function within it. So it is not right to take frustration out on you.

Here is a detailed account of how it goes in Tijuana. But in many places in the US it is not that much different. tuscl.net

In the more extreme places there are less problems. It is in these very limited touching places where things get difficult.

I have talked with local dancers coming from similar clubs in other states and they have very similar stories about weirdo's and the strange things they want.

You might not like this, but this is why I always advise getting as friendly as possible with the girl in the front room and not letting her sell dances. And of course what ever happens has to be buy consent. In the front room it only goes as far as both parties want it to.

We have had this underground show in some of San Jose's Mexican Bars. It is table dancing. There usually is a good deal of touching, but it is always by consent. How far it goes varies. But as it is not done for a fixed fee or in a booth, the level of conflict is less. It is just a dollar at a time. You keep feeding the girl money for as long as you want her to stay. Then she moves on. They even made party tapes with no gaps between the songs.

TaraChristine did not invent the environment she works in. Strippers usually don't have much understanding as to the history of such practices or as to why they are the way they are.

Personally the only reason I would want to be in such a club would be if I wanted to get to know a girl a bit and then start seeing her outside. Otherwise it is a waste of money. But still, completely unacceptable to take it out on dancers.

SJG

This is your first and only contribution to TUSCL and this is “how you introduce yourself” - come on here w/ your BS talking to MEN that have twice the experience you have w/ strip clubs and life.

If this is what you have to contribute as a dancer; i.e. being so bitchy about customers; then:

1. work on your issues b/c you def seem to have some

2. find another line of work b/c you seme too-damaged and no-good at dealing w/ people

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But extremely unlikely that a young stripper is going to have any knowledge of this.

SJG

Papi, come on. What are you trying to do? If not already, your just discouraging her from posting anymore. Is that what you want? She is not hurting anyone by posting.

" this is “how you introduce yourself” - come on here w/ your BS talking to MEN that have twice the experience you have w/ strip clubs and life "

She is a dancer and she is writing about her own experiences. You Papi may have experience in more types of clubs and all, but what she is saying is exactly how she sees it. If you don't like young women, go to places that only hire MILFs.

Very unlikely she understands the history of strip clubs or that she has worked in wilder and woolier places. Lighten up and find some constructive way to talk with her, or just let her post.

I would not have much interest in her club, but that is more because of the club rules and not her.

And also, the girls would not dance in these places unless they knew that the bouncers would always back them up.

And so also, see my point about why its better not to let girls sell you dances. Better to play with them in the front room as you keep feeding them money. That way it is more flexible. Either side can call it quits whenever they want.

SJG

"But if I've given u 4 or 5 warnings that you are making me feel violated then why shouldn't I take your money?"

Tara, with all due respect, if a guy is making you feel violated because he wants to rub his dick all over your face, then for Christ's sake GET THE FUCK AWAY FROM HIM. The fact that you would subject yourself to behavior you find offense just for a buck, makes me think that you have some self respect issues.

I have to agree with Papi Chulo, in that, you should look for another line of work. But I know you won't, because you will not be satisfied until you get every last buck out of every last PL/weirdo/douchebag/rapist on the fuckin' planet. Enjoy counting out your stripper singles.

No, Tara, your not doing anything wrong. The problem arises in the booth dance set up.

If it were in the front room there would be more give and take, and either party could break it off at anytime.

In the Mexican Bar shows, if a guy was going too far, the girl would just move on to the next guy.

It is this chump game these clubs have set up with the dance booths.

SJG

This post was just to talk about some of the funny things that happen during dances and ya'll turned it into this angry dark post because you don't like hearing a dancer won't just let you have your way. Any girl that will do extras for $ she could make anyway I would be weary of....and get tested.

Again you guys are getting defensive because you're probably the guys going to the strip club looking for hookers. Just because this is my first post does not mean this is my first club. I've danced on the east, west, north and south geographic areas of this country. At some point you stop feeling sad about men being mean and decide to get even. Thats just a way of getting even. If a guy is NICE and still doesn't listen AS I MENTIONED IN MY OP, I get up and leave. If he is a rude ass douche page that thinks $20 is going to make me suck his dick then yeah I'll take him for all he's got and still not suck his dick. The nice guys get respectfully declined. DOUCHEBAGS GET TREATED LIKE DOUCHEBAGS. Its that simple.

The security at my club is insanely on point, and works to route (spelling?) out those girls and I'll be damned if I'm getting fired because you pulled it out just at the time security pops their head in and it makes me look like I'm at fault. (Which would never happen because they know I keep it classy.) FURTHERMORE my club has not only cameras but audio in our rooms so good luck.

At a gentleman's club act like a gentleman. At a strip club, expect a girl to strip not perform sex acts.

I tell them I'm very liberal with touching just ask first i.e. no inserting anything, I'll grind, I may even touch you if its ok with you. But I just do not and will not do extras and i can almost guarantee 90% of my co-workers don't either and we're the nicest club in town for that reason. And that means I have issues? Ok then, so I have issues. ha!

Again we all need to lighten up and let Tara post. She did not invent the protocols at this place she works at. The outside structure is what can cause tensions at her club. Agreeing to go into a booth with the obligation to pay creates pressure on both parties.

Tara, again, welcome to TUSCL and I do sincerely hope that you keep posting. And of course, just jump right into our ongoing DISCUSSION threads.

SJG

You seem like a very special person Tara. Perhaps your presence on Earth truly is a gift from the Almighty to us lowly PLs. You should tell your tale on the Stripper Web page. There would be a lot of people there that would completely understand where you are coming from. Here is the link:

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Good luck in your endeavors to persevere.

Tara, thank you for joining TUSCL and your posts are always most welcome.

SJG

"Men, come to the club, have a good time, talk to some cool girls. Keep the weirdness to a minimum...." Since I am not a man then I can do whatever I want? I do that now, anyways......Cool Beans!!!!!

"At a strip club, expect a girl to strip not perform sex acts." LMAO - boy are you in the WRONG place!!

No no I'm in the right place for me.

What an interesting article!

Tara, if I got dances from you and we started to negotiate for VIP dances and I heard all your rules I would likely decide to move on to a more fun girl. If you actually talked me into a trip to the private rooms it sounds to me like it would be a one-and-done for us.

Most of us here are hard core SC visitors with hard core experiences with willing dancers. What you described above are the main reasons I decline to visit Gentleman's Clubs and instead go to Strip Clubs.

Oh, and when a dancer shoves her pussy in front of my face you're damn right I'm going to smell it.

"The nice guys get respectfully declined. DOUCHEBAGS GET TREATED LIKE DOUCHEBAGS. Its that simple." Sounds fair enough to me.

Personally I wouldn't want to do anything that the stripper isn't willing to consent to as a part of our business transaction. There are enough dancers willing to do anything for the right price so why force yourself (aka sexually assault /rape) on an unwilling girl.

If you're unhappy with a girl's menu just shop around for one that offers what you want. If you're too lazy to dhop around just respect her limits and enjoy the beautiful naked woman grinding on you.

I agree with whodey here completely. All of these girls are private contractors. They do offer different options. Not all of the girls charge the same price not all of the girls have the same menu. Let's give this young lady a break since this is her first time up to bat. Welcome Tara I hope you hang out with us for a while. Don't let this initial barrage scare you away. I would like to hear your thoughts !

You're a great candidate for a member of the stripperweb website. They'd LOVE you there. Apparently, you don't realize your 1st tick is the most common tick in all of stripperdom. The pink site is waiting my dear.

@Tara "Again you guys are getting defensive because you're probably the guys going to the strip club looking for hookers."

These gentlemen are EXACTLY the guys who go to strip clubs looking for hookers. Like I said I seriously think you'd be better off on stripperweb.com There women (and the few men that are consistantly there) will empathize with you and agree wholeheartedly.

UNFORTUNATELY you have to realize that you will get very FEW men like me, who only want to see you dance and I'm the type where touching is expected or no dollars shall be exchanged. Nothing crazy like my thumb up your butt or trying to finger you or anything. I just want to feel boob, body and ass. And I'm the "tame" one here...and probably most clubs.

The general consensus in most clubs is freaks and weirdos and guys who want to fuck. This is what you should expect from the strip club, not guys like me. SHould you give in, if you don't want to, then absolutely don't give in and try to get away with not filling the weird requests as long as you can. But just expect weird requests and move on with life.

Though like I said before, you're best venting your online frustration on stripperweb where your empathy will be connected with other strippers.

I'm with Papi and Esta on this. Most of the people on here that I've gotten to know are respectful but you are the one who has taken the conversation to a dark place.

You sell the fantasy of sex to men. Learn how to handle men better that reasonably try to take the fantasy to the next level.

If I met you I would be "one and done." Your view of men would become quite apparent.

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No one says a dancer has to do something against her will. This particular dancer (assuming it actually is a dancer) admitted to letting guys continue with bad behavior after she has warned them repeatedly, just to coerce all their money out of their pockets, then have them thrown out by the bouncer, as some form of stripper justice league bullshit.

All I was saying to her all along was, if the guy is still being a shithead after she warned him that he is crossing the line, then get the hell away from him. Instead, she comes on her and brags up how no one better cross her line or she'll dish out her form of punishment.

I am just reading her post, thinking to myself, do I really need to listen to this stripper shit. The answer is NO. She wants to talk her smack, then let her go to Stripper Web, where she'll have the proper audience for it.

With her new army of white knight PLs, as well as, some of you dancers here, you all seem to be giving this dancer (who claims having danced all over the continental U.S.) a pass for this kind of posting. Reread her posts again, and you'll find that she contradicts herself more than once, as pointed out by several of us along the way.

^^^Of coarse I find myself starting to argue for arguments sake, so I'll let it go and move on now.

I agree with Estafador - the pink SW site is a better spot for this posting. Sometimes it's better to say less - than to continue and let you true feelings (of disdain for your customers) be fully known.

You guys are idiots! Again and again and again you drive the female members off.

You don't have to see things their way, but you should let them post.

Do you talk to the women you meet in strip clubs the way you talk to the women posters here?

SJG

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“... you don't like hearing a dancer won't just let you have your way ...”

That's incorrect as is most of your thinking – this is a customer website so it is the wrong place for you to come saying that you will ROB customers when you think/feel they've crossed the line – 2 wrongs don't make a right but apparently it's a waste of time pointing this out to you – the correct thing is for you to stop dealing w/ such custies – w/ your attitude you come across as the type of dancer that will ROB custies if you just happen to be having a bad day and the custy does the slightest thing you don't agree with – ripping off people is never right and not the correct way to go about things; just goes to show what kind of morals, or lack thereof, you have.

“... At some point you stop feeling sad about men being mean and decide to get even ...”

So by that token – we custies should also have the attitude of getting even w/ dancers b/c they have done us wrong in the past.

“... At a strip club, expect a girl to strip not perform sex acts …”

ENTITLEMENT – no one says you have to do extras - dancers like you and your sense of entitlement think just b/c you are not into something that NO ONE else should be either – if two consenting adults agree on what they want/like to-do; it's none of your business if you are not into that – the world does not revolved around YOU and want YOU want – if a custy asks something you don't do; just say no; but your entitled little attitude is one that a custy should spend HIS $$$ on doing EXACTLY what YOU want instead of what HE wants – if you don't do extras and he wants extras; then just find another custy instead of forcing/expecting him to spend HIS $$$ on what you want to do instead of what he wants to do.

“... Anyway, to the majority of the TUSCL ppl responding to her/posts like hers-not everybody is at a strip club for the same reason u r and she is not a bitch because she has limits and doesn't appreciate them being disrespected ...”

Exactly – IME, perhaps w/ some rare exceptions at certain clubs; most custies for various reasons don't go to the clubs for extras. She's a bitch for ripping off custies; not b/c she's airing her grievances.

Note to self: Never go to a club the OP dances at .

SJG - you seem to be reading a different article - as I saw this dancers article - so she got to say her peace. So your second statement is incorrect.

If I was chatting with a dancer in a club - and she said what this dancer said - I'd tell her that it's wrong to rip a customer off. That's not right - her logic is off - and even though I doubt she will see her mistake - I won't hold back my opinion.

This is a site for customers - and if she thought out her post - she would understand that there was very little positive said.

Think about it for a second. Customers pay her - for her dancing services - and yet her post was almost entirely negative towards the people who basically pay her salary. So my view is that she is in the wrong line of work.

Most of the strippers also have some weird tendencies. I've had some that actually pull up my shirt during LD and lick my nipples. I've had one ask me to choke her during a room session. Also had one ask me to take off my belt and smack her ass with it. So it can go both ways. One thing I hate is when a stripper tells me about her kids. Please don't tell me about them and or please don't tell me your not making good money at the place you work at.

Papi, most of the members of this site are customers. But it is a site about strip clubs. There is even a special registration recognition for female dancers. So it is for whoever wants to talk about strip clubs.

Cashman, if you give a dancer a bad time during a dance, the dance ends and you still pay. That is not the dancer being a ROB, that is just how it works.

Tara sounds quite reasonable. She just dances at a low mileage place, and she likes to keep it that way. This is her absolute right.

SJG

“... So it can go both ways ...”

Exactly – like when certain dancers give you crappy dances that YOU are paying for b/c they spend the entire song pestering you about doing VIP even if you tell them time and time again you are not interested.

All I do is move-on to a different dancer and that's it.

Yes, some dancers you don't want to deal with. But also, some clubs you don't want to deal with.

Tara is not the one who set things up the way they are in her club.

SJG

I actually appreciate her point of view. I've listened to dancers complain about guys that start off with the "what happens in the back room" question, then blatantly ask for sex. A girl one time pointed out several regulars at the club who would shell out $400 at the drop of a pin for FS. I've heard this from other girls, as well. in every single case it was some poor schlub who was probably married to a wildebeast or could never find a girl in real life. It can drive some of the more attractive dancers out of the club, which is a shame, because I don't go in looking for extras.

If you work in that environment, though, you will find the pee guys, the foot guys, the slappy guys (I think the ball stomping guys are an urban myth). I mean, you have to laugh at that. I've had some of them pointed out to me in the club and one time I saw a foot guy in action. It was effing disgusting, though. The guy was slurping all over some dancers toes. Kind of made me want to puke.

I agree with saroya and Tara!

I have heard similar stories about strange guys with strange fetishes. Both the dancers talking about this were coming here from Pennsylvania.

And for myself I never ask, "what happens in the back room" or ask for sex! I treat women like civilians. So before we could ever be talking about the back room, we'd of reached the point where there is nothing left to talk about.

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"No no I'm in the right place for me. "

You may be in the right place (clubwise) for yourself, but I was talking about websites.

Tara is welcome to post here. This is the right website for her.

SJG

“... I actually appreciate her point of view. I've listened to dancers complain about guys that start off with the "what happens in the back room" question, then blatantly ask for sex ...”

Nothing blatant about it – it's a SEX business and we are all adults – if there is any “blatancy”, then again, it goes both ways – some dancers will ask for $500 for just talking and air-dances in VIP; I find that blatant – i.e. “blatancy” is in the eye of the beholder.

So let's break it down – a strip-club has dozens of naked to nearly naked women running around – dancers use their sexuality to turn custies on so custies will give them $$$ - so you have a naked or nearly naked attractive woman grinding on you simulating a sex-act and the custy touching her body – and it's totally “blatant” for the guy to get horny and ask for sex in this sexually-charged situation? - SCs are sex businesses and actually sex often happens with willing dancers; how is a custy supposed to know if he does not ask.

From many dancers' POV they wanna get custies as horny as possible and have custies give them as much $$$ as possible; but god forbid the custy they get horny shall desire something as natural as sex.

Strop drinking the Koolaid.

I think the issue is just that if you want harmonious relations with women, you treat them as civilians. They might be really forward, and other people might treat them like hookers. But I treat them like civilians.

So this is how I like to engage: tuscl.net

As far as Tara and her club, it is a much lower mileage club than what you are describing and used to. And guys must respect the girl's limits.

What they do at her club would be better done in the front room. Less crossed wires that way. Things worked very well at the underground table dancing shows which went on in San Jose's Mexican Bars.

Tara did not set that club up. Young dancers usually don't have that much historical or legal understanding as to why things are the way they are.

No Koolaid here, simply an understanding that limits have to be respected, plus for me at least, a recognition that booths and backrooms are usually not the right way. All they do is let the house take a bigger cut.

SJG

I agree with san_jose_guy. Papi, you need to give this girl a break, after all she is just voicing her opinion and her experience. People have different experience, it all rely depends wetter they all relire dancers or custies. You have voice your opinion many time in this forum, both negative and positive,and people don't try to put you down because they don't agree with what you said. Chill out a bit, after all this is a welcome post, I want to hear it from a dancer perspective. Welcome to the site Tara

Personally, I don't go to SC to have sex, I have never had sex in a strip club, it's just not my thing, I rather be in the comfort of my home in bed when having sex. I go to the strip club to meet the ladies, have a couple of dancers and so on.

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And thank you for making your first post afroking72. Welcome to these threads.

SJG

I never give a dancer a hard time during a dance. However, I make sure to find a dancer who is open and willing, before I take her back for any dances. I accept that if it's not her thing - I'm not going to change her - and there are other dancers in the club - so it's no loss for me.

Her opinion appears negative towards her customers - and that makes me question if this is the proper work for her.

My own view is that Tara works in a club where girls try to sell low mileage dances in booths. That is a problem in and of itself, and Tara had nothing to do with the design of that club.

Front room fun would make the problems go away, and the girls make more money because they can be taking it in for 60 min out of every hour.

SJG

“... you need to give this girl a break, after all she is just voicing her opinion and her experience ...”

Just b/c someone voices there opinion does not mean one has to agree w/ it and and not have their own opinion.

As w.r.t my comments – anyone is welcome to disagree w/ them – we are all allowed to post opinions and differences of opinions.

For a dancer to come to a custy website and brag about ripping off custies then IMO she is deserving of some push-back.

I see you point papi_chulo, just because a customer is acting like acting douche bag does not mean you need to get even and rip him off, what makes it worse is you bragging about it. Even if they solicite for sex, a simple no is enough, or just walk away, he will most likely move on to the next dancer. Every strip club have some kind of security, I have never seen people try to rape dancers or forcing them into having sex. What usually happens is the dancers promises something and does not deliver, then you can get into an agreement, even then security always sides with the dancer. So if you ripping customers in a strip club, then you most likely put yourself in that situation, or want to take advantage of it. Just as some girl won't have sex in a strip club, they are lots of girls who are willing. If a girl gives me attitude, I just look the other direction, with so many strippers and strip club around, no need to make it a big deal, after all I am the one spending my money.

"Her opinion appears negative towards her customers - and that makes me question if this is the proper work for her." So true... Tara, you are no different than any of the other dancers, or special. Once you take your clothes off and jump on that pole, all we (men) see is tits and ass. And of course some would want to have sex, although not the venue, but the prospect is there. Also, men have different fantasies, if someone wants to sucks your toe while you giving him a lap dance, it does not make him weird at all, it's just his fantasy and you need to respect that, if you find it to be out of your norm, then you can just move on. And a strip club is the best venue for some of these men to experience those fantasies. Because it is so easy to ask for a dancer to do things to you your wife would not. This is the line of work you choose among many others, so you just have to accept what comes with it and deal with it the best way.

"Tara is welcome to post here. This is the right website for her."

That is your opinion....it is not mine.

Like I said before anyone this girl has rocks in her head, she thinks she is gods gift to us PLs but in reality she is just an overentitled brat girl masquerading as a dancer. I know lots of great dancers some do and some don't perform extras but none of the great gals that I like to hang out with are as stupid as this OP. We need idiots like her she reminds us to appreciate the many great gals that are in most of the clubs, and believe me there are more great gals than total bitches like this one. BTW just a little advice for the OP, its not what you say, rather its how you say it.

Just a short note to SJG I'm going to state this respectfully, and not go back and forth on this but these woman that work in strip clubs are not civilian girls, and you need to stop fantasizing that they are. I not only go to strip clubs but I also go out with woman that are not strippers quite often, and I also have strippers that are my friends which means that when they are not working and we are in proximity they do not ask me for money, all women enjoy being treated well( like buying woman buy lunch, or a drink, civvies, will reciprocate maybe with a home cooked meal or some token of appreciation) but strippers are selling something, and as such I treat them respectfully enough, but they are not civilians and treating them like that is a sure way to get ripped off, if I am paying for it is going to be what I want, if she wont sell me what I want, I will just move on to the next stripper no hurt feelings. if you have a response or disagree keep it short and sweet, and on point or we will have another fight that is not my intent here.

@twentyfive - I think you hit the nail on the head - with your comments regarding SJG. Dancers in the club are not civilians - and it's important that it be understood. It's a business - and if I want something different than what she is selling - I'll just move on. I won't waste my time (and my money) on a customer hating bitch.

@25 I just read the article and was going to point out the same inconsistency that you did. Damn, beat me to it.

Sorry if I repeat what others have already said here. I just recognized how many replies there are to this article and don't feel like reading all of them.

While some of what she documents does seem like strange behavior, to me I think she is in the wrong profession if this behavior pisses her off. If I was management I'd fire her ass as it seems she is more intent on having customers kicked out of the club instead of giving good customer service. A club would have a hard time being profitable with employees like that.

Okay. I have now read the entire thread (most of it anyway, some I skimmed).

I stand by my original comment a few minutes ago, but have the following to add.

1. I agree with those that don't want to discourage her from posting on this site. I can choose to read or not read the posts. Or I can put her on ignore. Hell, this post gave me some entertaining reading.

2. Yes, stripperweb is more appropriate for this type of discussion, but since it concerns strip clubs I think it is okay here too. While her reactions really piss me off, at least I get a glimpse into a prude's mindset.

3. It seems that she is working at a club where the expectations are different (much more puritanical) from those that most of us frequent. Even so, her attitude is too high and mighty to allow her to have an enjoyable career in this profession and her actions (Robbing and getting customers thrown out) are completely unacceptable.

4. Tara, can I fuck you after diddling your ears and belly button, inhaling the fumes emanating from your noxious cunt, and farting on you?

Thank God I read fast. I believe in Free Speech- ergo- Tara can write want she wants. I believe that personalities can be deduced form the tone of the discourse. Tara sounds a little attitudinal and angry. Strange way to go to work every day. Contrast Tar's tone with Hotstuffs'. Same topic different tone. One angry and one
philosophical if not respectful.
" At some point you stop feeling sad about men being mean and decide to get even. Thats just a way of getting even."
This is the phrase I don't get. Since when is the strip club a place for revenge on a gender. Some guys have fetishes and clubs are a safe place for them to ,at least, ask about the possibility of having their fetish explored. A little tolerance would go a long way. I assume Tara is young and not too bright and has that wonderful fallacy that most young people have. Once she realizes that the world does not revolve around her she will become a better dancer if not a better human being.

-->"Some guys have fetishes and clubs are a safe place for them to ,at least, ask about the possibility of having their fetish explored. A little tolerance would go a long way."

Strongly agree! That said, it's to some extent a two-way street: she's a 20-year-old girl who may feel a bit disempowered, maybe smacking her across the face with "I want you to fart in my mouth" isn't the right initial approach.

Ignoring the SW-like attitude in the original post, and just concentrating on the content, one thing I'll say is: it is ALWAYS about context, and the odder your sexual predilections, the more it pays off to set the context properly... which might include getting a trust-building VIP or two first, before popping the question about sticking your tongue in her navel (if it's a low-touch club). I've done some of the things in the original post -- hell, I've done waaaay crazier and kinkier -- but I do my best to ensure I don't come off creepy. The moral of the story is: put the stripper at ease as far as trust, and respect, and a light fun rapport, and she may become practically eager to indulge you (as long as it's not way past her limits, obviously). Be kinda off and creepy, and ask for the same thing, and you end up the subject of a post on TUSCL by a venting stripper :)

I was trying to get a sense of the club she dances at so I read the reviews she posted. I wasn't surprised to see this gem of a comment written in her Millstream Inn review:

"...I was the most attractive girl there....and I didn't even work there. "

I am going to have to stand up for Tara. Her crotch smelled pretty good.

@Subra. I have no qualms with what she finds creepy. It is her attitude and how she dealt with it that offends me. And she boasts about it.

@jack. Are you that short that you had to stand up to smell it or was she hanging from a chandelier?

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My understanding is a lot of dancers like the feet guys and ones who want to be physically abused. They often tip well and don't demand much outside of their kink.

I would think the worse ones are guys who follow girls around a club, trying to monopolize their time without paying for it.

In general if a guy pays for VIP he should be shown some leeway within reason. Although he should obviously negotiate ahead of time.

If you negotiate prior to going to VIP - and she's good with your negotiated price and limits are agreed upon - then it should be fine. If she gives some bull shit statement like "I will make sure you have a good time!" - then that is dangerous - as a customers good time can be very different from her good time.

I still don't understand her being annoyed over guys sniffing her crotch? If she puts her crotch in a customers face - what is he supposed to do - hold his breath? Wtf?

Honestly you guys don't get it. In my original post I said milder fetishes are weird but I don't screw the guy over. Like someone e mentioned it's all how u set it up. If we go in vip and u never even once hinted u wanted dex that's not fair that a bait and switch on me. If your nice I'll politely decline and compensate some other way. If your rude and demanding I'll be rude and demanding. I match the behavior it's not my job to just take crap from people. U can find another dancer and I can find another custy. No lie I have this old man his money back because he was nice but wrongly assumed vip was for sex. U guys hijacked this article and turned it into something weird

Again, she is working in a very low mileage club, and she intends to keep it that way. This is her right.

twentyfive wrote, "...woman that work in strip clubs are not civilian girls.."

Negative. This Tara, like many in our local no touching clubs, keeps it within tight limits.

I treat all women as civilians. This not some kind of a fantasy, it is simply that that is the better way to get along with them. It yields far better results.

If you want women to post here, then it is necessary to be polite to them, even when you disagree.

SJG

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IDK – the only way I see for Tara to put this thread on the right-track is for her to do the honorable thing and show us her tits – if they are nice then of course I can take the high road and be willing to forgive and forget

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If we want women to post here ....

SJG

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@SJG- They're strippers. They have to have thick skin just to stay in the business. If they're driven off of an anonymous fuckboard by some meaningless banter then you have to wonder if they could even make it as strippers.

C'mon already! Show us your tits! (not you SJG).

I'll be honest I don't like you tara! I can't believe founder gave this tramp a month free for an article that clearly should have been posted on stripperweb instead of TUSCL. Don't expect any positive responses from a lot of us on the discussion threads.

Judge much? Nobody has the right to be rude or condescending to you or anybody else. But try to have a little sympathy. People who want to sell sex and people who want to buy sex have no good place to do it generally. Yes, the internet. But meeting in person helps the seller evaluate if the buyer seems safe, and the buyer evaluate how big of a turn-on the seller really is. They're kinda stuck doing it in strip clubs. Not really fair you have to deal with this. But you can't entirely blame them for not doing it somewhere else. If you honestly have no kinks personally, that may make you the biggest weirdo of all.

I understand not really enjoying people asking for sex right out of the blue. I've had girls I don't know and just met ask to have sex. There's no trust. I don't know them. It could be a set up to get robbed or mugged wherever someone wants to go. Plus I'm not usually so horny that I'm willing to hook up with someone who I know less about than a dancer who comes up to me and says wanna dance? At least in that case, I assume she works at the club.

Compared to some of the weird things some guys are into, I seem pretty ordinary. Some dancers years ago did get me to like one slightly unusual thing, but considering it was something a few dancers got me to enjoy, maybe not so weird.

I find it odd still. Tara has posted several time in this article - but never once has she posted anything with a positive comment about her customers. I'm sticking with my original thought that she's a customer hating dancer. She needs the money - yet hates her customers - and since she's miserable - she makes sure everyone knows it! It might be time to find a new line of work - and it's definitely time to move to stripperweb!

To Tara-- Nobody hijacked your article all we commented on was what you wrote, and what others wrote in commentary on your thread. As far as I am concerned you can do whatever you want, post whatever you want, but if you come on a community of people that disagree with you, a little bit of self examination, might do you some good. Yes, sometimes the majority can be wrong, but not this time. To SJG--What lopaw said is true if she is a stripper she isn't going to be put off by what has been posted here, she might learn from it, at least I hope she will but she is a stripper, not a civilian no matter what you say.

i came to this party late. IMO traveling strippers are the worst kind. The could give a shit about the club or cultivating regulars. Just grab and run.

Very good point Shadowcat.

A few things:

1. I'd be willing to bet the price of a VIP session that "Tara" is already a pink site (SW) member. The "why don't guys just hire a hooker" is an oft repeated theme over there.
2. Title of article is misleading- should really be "I'm Pissed Off That Patrons Come To Club Expecting Sex". Did OP ever consider that some clubs/dancers accommodate some of those requests as a matter of course ?
3. Thanks for the entertainment- saved me a trip over to the pink site.

F2F dancers have commented to me all the time about how emotionally stressful the work is.

On Stripper Web I think they are just venting some of this. If you take issue with it, why not register and try to discuss it with them. You can even start threads which are cross posted both here and there. Better to talk with them, than about them.

I think you guys should lighten up on Tara. She has a right to define her own limits. And it sounds like her club is quite low mileage anyway.

For myself, I have always stood behind front room play and not letting girls sell you dances anyway. Save the back room, basically a toll gate, until it is necessary, as your pants are going to come down. Don't discuss sex acts with girls or try to talk them into such. Instead treat them like you just met them at a party. Treat them like civilians. Don't treat them as anything less than you would treat any other woman.

SJG

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SJG - I agree with you that strippers should set their own limits. But lying to custies, robbing them, and bragging about it is unacceptable. I find it hard to believe that you find it okay.

Late to the party.

I have never seen so many comments on an article. Looks like Tara struck a chord.

As you can see Tara, ROBbing is a big NO NO with us PLs.

Great comments by everybody. Props to Papi Chulo for being the sage of TUSCL

I don't see Tara talking about doing any lying or robbing. Not at all.

SJG

I gotta just move on. Last post on this article for me I hope.

Did you read this?

"...I'll lead you on with promises of more, get as much money out of you, and then tell security you're not following the rules..."

She's talking about guys that are already being completely inappropriate with her and not respecting her boundaries. So yes she does do what she does offer, and she gets their money. But then she also has the guy removed. So if guys are going to cause problems for dancers, this is what they should expect. We know the women would not be there unless they got good money. And guys should know that they must respect their limits. If they don't know this, then perhaps getting 86ed will help to educate them. I don't think she is literally deceiving them. I think she is just being nice to them and maybe telling them how things could be nicer, if they would just chill out. But if not, they will pay and be removed.

As she is describing it, I don't think there is anything at all wrong about what she is doing in her strip club. A girl has a right to set her own limits, and guys who get too far out of line are going to have their dances terminated, and without any refund.

A guy should understand that if things are not working between him and a dancer, then continuing with her and paying her more money are not going to make her more tolerant of him not respecting her limits. She is not offering herself to be abused for money. Maybe some guys do not understand this. I think of a key scene in the movie Leaving Las Vegas.

Now this is a good time to explain that for myself I don't really go for the style of interaction which is being described here, and which is typical in many strip clubs. Lap dancing started in San Francisco and it meant lap sitting. And likewise we had these underground shows in San Jose Mexican bars, where girls just come around and dance for a guy where he sat. It got into the mid-level's of mileage as is described. The girls didn't ask permission, they just did. So they got money fed to them in small increments. They stretched their G-string sides out when they wanted more put in. So guys would just keep feeding them money for as long as they wanted them to stay. Then the girl would move on. Dancers have insisted that they make more money in these venues, because they are metering it in for 60min out of every hour. They used party tapes which had no gaps between the songs. So they never stopped, they just kept collecting money for the 2 to 3 hours of the show. Then they'd drive to the next bar. I thought the whole thing was lots and lots of fun!

I think this front room, no agreement way, works better and there are less crossed wires. People think booths and backrooms are better. I do not agree. Until it gets to the point where the guy's pants are going to come down, no reason for such. So mostly they are just a way for the house to take a deeper cut. Most guys don't seem to understand this, and so they let the girls "sell dances" to them, and this involves a great deal of explicit negotiations.

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What I advocate and try to actualize is civilianization of the interaction, as in a front room make out session. Of course the girl has the right to decline. But if she goes for that, then she is lowering her emotional barriers, and what ever comes from this, will be extremely good. This is how I learned to do it long ago in AMPs ( Asian Massage Parlors ). I don't try to discuss sex acts with the girl, I just treat her like she is someone I just met at a party. So I talk to her, but it is more coming on to her, and I just make it happen. While this does not always work, often enough it does and many girls are completely disarmed by such an approach and so they let go and just let it happen. So it turns out more like a first date, than service performed for a fee. Then when I come back again in a few weeks, they will all still be talking about it.

But this was back when I was married and trying to stay sane. Today any women I engage with in strip clubs or AMPs are likely to end up making my breakfast. I have no need or desire to use money to keep them away. If I didn't respect them and plan to treat them just like I would any other woman, then I would not engage with them at all. The money pays for them to be able to be at the shop and available, but it is not supposed to be inducing them to do anything they wouldn't otherwise be perfectly happy to do.

SJG

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I think this whole comment string has gotten way out of control. A lot of good people here are saying things that are really comments about the comments and have missed the discussion thread completely. We need to go back and reread her discussion premise before we comment about something we may have misunderstood. Men and women think differently. She is being understood by the dancers here because they know where she's coming from. We custies here sometimes think with the wrong head. Keep posting Tara ! I enjoy other points of view.

Ethically I tried to understand the dilemma in the OP. Enter douche PL. Normally I would think the douche has it coming. The kicker is the club doesn't ask him to leave -- the club still considers him a customer and customers can still spend. TaraChristine concocts a ploy to extract $$ from the douche.

Ethically, do I feel for the douche? Not really. He or she had a coming. My economic philosophy: Douches are stupid. Stupid people typically don't make good decisions with money (this is important). Therefore it is unethical to let stupid people keep their money, since by definition, they are stupid and don't do worthwhile things with that money. I'd rather see it put to better use (capital). Is TaraChristine a better use with that money? The club certainly seemed to think so. Recall clubs hardly ask ANYONE to leave anymore.

As for the other content in the OP. I don't understand why she wants the weirdness kept to a minimum? One would think a dancer would Want weirdness (especially kink and fetish play -- like the feet play suggested in the OP). Since kink and fetish guys and gals tend to be good tippers and good customers, and MANY OF THESE FETISH CUSTIES tend to RESPECT LIMITS. So I think she should keep an open mind there. She's hurting her earning, provided "weird" play is still within her personal bounds.

Also she does need to get with the program that some dancers DO sell sex and some customers DO want to buy sex. If she doesn't want to do that, then fine, but stop hating on the extra girls and the OTC p4p girls. All of them are sex workers just trying to survive by selling some form of sex. To think otherwise is naive.

I don't think Tara is enacting any ploy. She just plays along with the creep up to a point, and trying to show him how things might be nicer. She takes his money, but the she also has him removed.

SJG

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So its been a while and i decided to only skim the comments cause thats a lot to read, but I just wanted to say I can see where she is coming from, sometimes customers are just assholes and you don't really want to deal with there bullshit but you want their money. Its a stripper no brainer you don't have to say yes we will have sex, you instead say things like "oh you'll have a good time. I'm certain you will enjoy yourself." And then bam! Lay down the rules but keep it flirty so that they have there hopes up that you will break the rules for them. And I am certain many people on here have had this happen to them.

On another not if a guy is being a jerk and not listening and I was giving them a lap dance or something most of the time my rule of thumb is to try and stay nice (even if I am getting really irritated) and if they do something I am extremely uncomfortable with I end the dance and tell them times up. If they try to get another one right after I will tell them I have a dance to do with someone else already, they will have to wait. And basically I avoid them the whole night and let the bouncer and bartender know I was not comfortable with that person.

Now if it was something major like he tried to be violent or rape me I would have the person escorted out of the club (All the clubs I work at you pay before the dance so I would be getting my money anyway the dance ended)

Also yes, you get some strange requests but thats just cause guys see a strip club as a way to live out their sexual fantasies, even if some of them are gross or strange.

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SJG

Clearly abuses happen both ways. If a custy misbehaves, he should be bounced. But nothing entitles the "dancer" to steal his money via any means.

I don't think Tara was ever suggesting that she would steal anybody's money. I think all she was trying to explain was how difficult some of the people she has to deal with can be. She still gives them what she gives others, and she is nice to them, but she doesn't like them and for good reason.

Always I have heard dancers complaining of how emotionally stressful the work is.

SJG

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Read this a couple times. Might've just discovered a reason you're having trouble getting dances. Think you were asking about that in the "She's Pretty, You Like Her, but Why Won't You Buy Dances From Her?" article.