Police Action: The Death of Lisa's Cabaret

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carlos_spiceyweiner
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Most of us visit TUSCL, I believe, to get information on club extras. With the exception of clubs outside the U.S., virtually all of these extras have one thing in common--they're illegal.

Yet purchasing extras goes on regularly at hundreds of clubs across the county. Every once in a while a club or some dancers (and in rare instances, patrons) get busted during a raid or undercover operation. This big question for me has always been: why doesn't this happen more often? The police could stake out any number of your local clubs regularly and make one arrest after another.

The best reason I can think of is that cops simply aren't going to commit resources to fight one type of crime when there are more serious crimes elsewhere--especially if it does little good. Think about how the police sometimes target a particular area for prostitution. They make arrests for a week or two before eventually moving on while the prostitutes return.

Sometimes, however, Johnny Law is successful in shutting down a club. That brings me to the death of another club from my past, the "notorious" Lisa's Cabaret in Akron, Ohio.

TUSCL members from NE Ohio know Lisa's as the ugly girl of clubs. She's the local gal every guy bangs when he's desperate and doesn't brag about later.

Lisa's was nothing to brag about. It was a dump of a club that made little pretense of being anything more than a brothel. Sure it had a stage, where dancers would sometimes parade out. All the other "dances" were performed in the VIP. Customer would float in, speak with a dancer and negotiate a service, then head back to one of the club's three massive, dark private rooms. In the rooms, were three things: an aluminum folding chair, a small table and a waste can.

I discovered Lisa's in the mid 1990's after seeing an ad in the local sports page. It was just blocks down the street from my usual nude club and had a Penthouse Pet as a feature. A few days later I showed up at a club that easily could have been a gateway to hell. Lisa's was situated in the bottom half of a building whose top was divided between unused space an adult bookstore connected to the strip business. It was dark and unfriendly, even menacing. The neighborhood, though just minutes from Firestone's corporate headquarters, was sketchy at best, marked by rundown storefronts and abandoned buildings.

I paid the $10 cover, was buzzed in and walked up a long hall that led into the club, whose interior could just as easily passed for the inside of a barn or warehouse. It was starkly decorated and wooden with bright overhead lights. A small bar served customers drinks. Opposite it, a narrow stage ran the length of the club with Chairs lined up against each side. Additional seating including three wobbly, cheap table and more chairs. The club also included several pool tables customers sometimes used. One night, I saw a dancer drag some blankets over to one and use it as a bed.

I ordered a diet coke and grabbed a seat at the stage along with about 20 other guys to watch a blond, busty Pet put on a good show--lots of close contact with each customer. That was the highlight of the night. When the feature ended, the club's regular dancers came out to do a dollar tip parade.

These weren't strippers like I had ever seen. There was nothing sexy about them at all. They looked tired and run down, like a collection of Walmart cashiers stripped down to unflattering undergarments. A brunette--the best looking of the bunch--did a quick dollar dance for me where she climbed up on my chair and rubbed her crotch down my forehead and face. I got a whiff of nasty vagina that I still believe, if just the slightest bit stronger, would have turned me into a raging homosexual on the spot.

I waved her off and was approached by a skinny, pale brunette with a billy goat face who offered to "make my dreams come true" for a single VIP dance costing $50. For the same price, I could get three VIPs from a hot girl at my regular club. Thoroughly disgusted, I walked out.

I probably never would have returned, but two years later the club changed ownership. A favorite of mine from another club told me she started working there and convinced me that the club was significantly improved. After making a promise to visit her, I began stopping at the "new" Lisa's.

I discovered the dancers were significantly better (though that wasn't saying a lot), but the club's demeanor was the same. At my first stop, a tall, curvy AA dancer spotted me walking to the bar area and shouted across the room, "Hey baby, thanks for coming. We'll do anything you want. We do it all. We'll get you off." She had no idea if I was a cop but made it clear everything was on the menu. So did the dancer who spoke to me after that, and the one after that, and the one after that. . . .

My first VIP there turned out to be the most punishing one of my life. A dancer who proudly informed me that she had been banned by every club in Myrtle Beach, NC, performed a bj so violent that it left me red and swollen. I immediately assumed I'd picked up an STD, but that wasn't the case. She was so rough with her mouth and hand she erupted most of the skin around little Carlos.

I played it safe after that, especially since STDs became an issue at Lisa's. One dancer told me that customers were coming in to report they had picked up diseases, usually from the same stripper. When another dancer asked her why she took such risks, the infected dancer said, "I'm already naked and the guys ask if they can put their dicks in there so I just let them."

Her comment effectively summed up the place. It was a quick thrill offset by risks and usually low expectations. You paid $10 at the door unsure of what you'd find inside. Most often, the dancers were so unattractive, I'd simply walk back out. Sometimes I'd hand around to see if anyone decent came in. That could mean hours of waiting. In any case, if all you wanted were extras and you weren't picky, the hunting was always good (if you didn't mind what you bagged).

Along with "assured sex" Lisa's provided a few other benefits to the mongering community. Whenever the cops decided to take a look at the local clubs, they always raided Lisa's first. Arrests would be made, and for the next several weeks other clubs were on their best behavior. Lisa's took a hit for the team.

The club also became a kind of code word for extras. If a dancer at another club said she had worked at Lisa's, that was a clear sign that everything was on the menu. Sometimes Lisa's dancers would get a serious upgrade as dancers from other clubs would start work or come in for the late shift if business was down at their regular bars. Those were the magic times.

This worked out spectacularly for me after a hot, enhanced Asian named KC began work there. For several years, I had some of the best VIPs of my life with her. During that time, Lisa's took steps to insulate itself from legal charges brought against its employees. Before dancers could perform a VIP, customers paid a $35 fee directly to the club and dancers completed and signed off on a contract stating they were contractors and accepted full legal responsibilities for their actions--noting that the club accepted none. Dancers filled out this same form for every VIP.

That's how life at Lisa's went on for a solid decade before things started falling apart in 2007. For some reason, Akron's vice squad began hard targeting the bar. In just over a year, they performed five raids and arrested numerous dancers for solicitation. (I was at the bar during one of these raids. See my article "Tales From the Club.") Eventually, the city filed suit to close the bar as a public nuisance, declaring it to be a front for a brothel.

On the day the matter was scheduled for trial, Lisa's owner and the building owner settled out of court. Lisa's agreed to shut its doors and take down all signage in 30 days. The club was not allowed to reopen anywhere in Akron for a year. The building owner could only lease Lisa's space for the next 90 days for "legitimate" businesses and had to get the city's approval. After a year, the space could reopen as a "legal" business. In theory, after a year Lisa's could reopen there.

Notably, the owners may have taken the smallest hits in Lisa's downfall. The arrested dancers were found guilty of various charges and stuck with criminal records. The club manager--just a local guy needing a job--took the full fall and was convicted of running a brothel (a felony) and sent to prison for a year.

Nearly seven years later, the building space is still empty, with nary a rumor of a reappearance of Lisa's anywhere. That in itself is odd in the strip club community where members regularly talk of dead clubs reopening. In the years that followed Lisa's closure, not a lot changed in Akron's club scene. The extras once available at Lisa's are business as usual in at least six other clubs--for now. That could easily change. In fact, it might be a small miracle that several of these clubs haven't faced the same charges.

Looking back, Lisa's may have been simply asking for police attention by operating as it did. But it did so for 10 years! As an epilogue to this club's end, while Lisa's was closing, the assholes in the Ohio legislature passed an anti-strip club law (pushed by a bunch of religious assholes in Cincinnati) that mandated no dancer/customer contact at all when the dancer was showing any nudity and forced clubs to end any nudity at midnight. A lot of us worried that would spell the end of our clubs. Instead, if anything, club life has gotten wilder as most local authorities decided to simply ignore the law.

I wonder how long that will last. Are any of you worried about your fun ending?

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san_jose_guy
10 years ago
You've given a thorough and complete description of a situation. I can understand that some dancers might not be very attractive. But I still feel that the views you are expressing about legalities and about STD transmission are reflective of class and racial prejudice.

SJG
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carlos_spiceyweiner
10 years ago
And san_jose_guy, you would be 100% wrong! I Iike AA dancers, which is why I go to bars where they work. Several of my ATFs have been AA. The girl I lost my virginity to was AA. As far as class prejudice, I grew up in a poor family and am now in the middle-class. I don't look down on anyone. If I did, I probably wouldn't go to a lot of the bars I do. Your observations are completely unfounded.
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tobala
10 years ago
R I P fantasia, Huntsville AL
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carlos_spiceyweiner
10 years ago
@tobala, yep. Sometimes it can be hard saying goodbye to a club.
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Papi_Chulo
10 years ago
Who knows why clubs get targeted by LE – could be:

+ some clubs just push the envelope too much w/ a anything goes atmosphere and thus draw too much heat/attention

+ these rowdy clubs start disturbing the surrounding neighborhood and the neighborhood complains and LE is forced to act where they might have not o/w

+ the city may want to renovate an area where a SC is and will thus try to shut it down b/c the SC does not fit in with what they want the area to be/become

+ religious conservatives decide to organize and that they want to do away w/ that kind of sin
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carlos_spiceyweiner
10 years ago
@papi_chulo - as always, great comments. The interesting thing about this club is that it wasn't nearly as "rowdy" as other places. I checked police reports and found relatively few, far less than nearby clubs. I tend to go with your #3. It was too near the headquarters of an international corporation. The city may have just wanted to knock it off the map. (But they waited 10 years!)
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PhantomGeek
10 years ago
Another good read, Carlos. Kudos and thanks!

Agreed that it could've been too close to that corporation's headquarters. It might've been bringing down property values, too. Any idea if anyone's bought up property in the area? Personally, I'm betting that someone at the club -- anyone from a dancer to the owner -- might've royally pissed off someone in LE or on the city council. If the dancers aren't shy about their STDs, it's going to attract attention, especially if the wrong person catches something.
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carlos_spiceyweiner
10 years ago
Thanks, @PhantomGeek. They opened up the top half of the building (over the club) and made apartments out of them. That being the case, they'd probably never put another club in the building. Too much noise. I checked the property records and no one was buying up property in the area. Good point about someone from the club pissing off someone on city council. I don't have any proof, but there's always the chance. Considering the sudden attention the club got from LEO, something like that certainly would be a big possibility. It makes you wonder. There was another notorious club in the area called The Nest. It's downfall was being too close to a church.
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PhantomGeek
10 years ago
The churchgoers were probably afraid of some of their congregation getting converted. Churches really hate that sort of competition.
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carlos_spiceyweiner
10 years ago
I'm sure that had to be part of it. The church really wasn't that close, and was only used on Sunday mornings when the club was closed. Unfortunately, this club became so wild and out of control that it gave the local authorities plenty of reasons to shut it down as well.
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JamesSD
10 years ago
Sometimes a new police chief or even Sargeant will get it in their head that cracking down on strip clubs is a way to score points and build a career. It honestly only takes one person with real influence to start a crusade.
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jackslash
10 years ago
Clubs get raided when they fail to pay bribes to police and politicians.
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tobala
10 years ago
also sometimes the county sheriff is in a tight reelection campaign and times the bust just before election day to look " tough on crime"- LOL
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DandyDan
10 years ago
I don't find it odd that the building sits empty and no strip club replaced it. It's in a bad neighborhood and strip clubs have restrictions on where they can locate anymore, and often, that means they can't locate anywhere. The building owner probably doesn't want a nuisance lessee like a strip club, either.
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carlos_spiceyweiner
10 years ago
UPDATE

After doing some research I was able to discover that as soon as the building's 1-year strip club "ban" was over, another club immediately opened. Called Franca's Bikini Bar it was a 24-hour strip club, which Lisa's had been fro a brief period. It doesn't look like that bar was open long. (In the Akron area I've seen clubs open and close in a 1-2 month time frame.) The adult book store is now closed, and the entire upper floor has been converted to apartments. In fact, the city is currently trying to reinvigorate the entire area with old buildings being renovated for business and residential use.
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Maximiliano
10 years ago
Carlos - I usually enjoy your posts and articles because you have a writer's technique of giving really humorous reviews of the SC scene and keeping things basically light! Some of the shit you say cracks me up like the review here when you say "....I got a whiff of nasty vagina that I still believe, if just the slightest bit stronger, would have turned me into a raging homosexual on the spot. "

While the humor has a lot of truth to the way many of us experience this wild life of pussy chasing in the clubs - there remains an element of wisdom from you that we can all learn from. Keep up the good work and feedback! Hopefully TUSCL keeps you on their payroll to provide some of the chuckles you continue to get from a lot of us regular viewers!
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carlos_spiceyweiner
10 years ago
@Maximiliano, thanks for the props. I wish I was on TUSCL's payroll (hint, hint), but I enjoy writing about clubs and history, so that will do for now.

Humor is necessary, like you said, because we're talking about clubs, not trying to cure cancer. I'm abrasive sometimes because I think it's necessary. I shower, shave, brush my teeth and put on cologne before going to a club. But some of these girls think it's ok to work and rub their snatches in your face when they smell like a rotting mackerel stuffed with dog shit. There's no excuse for that.

I really liked your article. Please keep writing.
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dogsun
10 years ago
Unfortunately, undercover LE visits work too well in Cleveland and Brook Park. While these areas were never known for extra's, as recently as a year ago you could still get a decent dance and grind from all of the clubs on Brookpark Rd. Now, places such as Fox's Den, which was never known to have the hottest of dancers is basically an air dance joint. Sucks for guys like me who don't want to make the hour drive down to Akron.
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carlos_spiceyweiner
10 years ago
Hey @dogsun, I used to live near Brook Park and hit all those clubs. The dancers and clubs were always worried about undercover LE, and I don't blame them. It's a shame. LE has pretty much shutdown any action there. I heard Amber's can be good, at times, but their talent isn't always the best.
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san_jose_guy
10 years ago
Carlos,

Here I've excerpted some quotes from your article. I still feel that the derisive language you've used to describe this Lisa's reflects a deeply held contempt for low income people, the neighborhoods they live in, and the businesses which operate in those neighborhoods.

It is almost like you are saying that Lisa's became a target for LE because it's dancers were not attractive enough, and because they did not charge enough money for their 'extras'.

SJG


"TUSCL members from NE Ohio know Lisa's as the ugly girl of clubs. She's the local gal every guy bangs when he's desperate and doesn't brag about later. "

"It was a dump of a club ..."

"A few days later I showed up at a club that easily could have been a gateway to hell. Lisa's was situated in the bottom half of a building whose top was divided between unused space an adult bookstore connected to the strip business. It was dark and unfriendly, even menacing. The neighborhood, though just minutes from Firestone's corporate headquarters, was sketchy at best, marked by rundown storefronts and abandoned buildings."

"I paid the $10 cover, was buzzed in and walked up a long hall that led into the club, whose interior could just as easily passed for the inside of a barn or warehouse. It was starkly decorated and wooden with bright overhead lights. A small bar served customers drinks. Opposite it, a narrow stage ran the length of the club with Chairs lined up against each side. Additional seating including three wobbly, cheap table and more chairs. The club also included several pool tables customers sometimes used. One night, I saw a dancer drag some blankets over to one and use it as a bed."

"These weren't strippers like I had ever seen. There was nothing sexy about them at all. They looked tired and run down, like a collection of Walmart cashiers stripped down to unflattering undergarments. A brunette--the best looking of the bunch--did a quick dollar dance for me where she climbed up on my chair and rubbed her crotch down my forehead and face. I got a whiff of nasty vagina that I still believe, if just the slightest bit stronger, would have turned me into a raging homosexual on the spot. "

"Looking back, Lisa's may have been simply asking for police attention by operating as it did."
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carlos_spiceyweiner
10 years ago
SJG, I don't know how I can make this any clearer to you. Everything I described in the article was 100% ACCURATE. Everything I said was true. The place was a dump. Most of the dancers weren't very good looking--in fact, some of them were awful, especially early on. It was a cheap dive with no pretensions of being anything else. What the fuck am I suppose to do if I'm to talk about the place honestly? Should I just lie just so it appeals to someone's moral barometer? Describe the club as far better than it was? Say it was a beautiful palace full of angelic strippers when it was just the opposite?

If you were reading closely, you would have noted that I said I don't know what caused the club to get shut down. It operated as a it did for a decade before the police decided to shut it down. My question was more to the readers--what do they think? Have they had a similar experience? And you know what? I've received messages from people who went to clubs just like this.

Once again, you totally blow over the point about me looking down on low income people. Why would I hang out in this dive bar on the others I go to regularly if I felt this way? Sometimes the truth is ugly. If telling it bothers some people, then so be it.
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PhantomGeek
10 years ago
Carlos, SJG is becoming pretty much of a troll, no matter how articulate (yet incoherent) he might be. He doesn't just read between the lines, he writes between them as well.

Check out his irrationality in this thread about a shooting at an Indianapolis club: https://www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=3…

Personally, I'm tired of it. I'm thinking it's time to hit the Ignore button on him.
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carlos_spiceyweiner
10 years ago
PhantomGeek, Thanks! I'm right there with you. He's one of those people who's far more interested in hearing himself talk than listening. I really appreciate it when people read my stuff and respond, even if they're critical. But this has gotten ridiculous. Since I've grown exhausted dealing with him, he is going on my ignore list.
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san_jose_guy
10 years ago
Carlos,

This looks pretty derisive to me. I really sounds like it is aimed at low income people and the women who give them sexual services.

"These weren't strippers like I had ever seen. There was nothing sexy about them at all. They looked tired and run down, like a collection of Walmart cashiers stripped down to unflattering undergarments. A brunette--the best looking of the bunch--did a quick dollar dance for me where she climbed up on my chair and rubbed her crotch down my forehead and face. I got a whiff of nasty vagina that I still believe, if just the slightest bit stronger, would have turned me into a raging homosexual on the spot. "

"Looking back, Lisa's may have been simply asking for police attention by operating as it did."

Now yes, it is often true that the likely hood of getting busted depends on how low the price is. But we shouldn't be contributing to the attitudes which underlie this.

And PhantomGeek, we should not be giving legitimacy to bouncers who provoke problems. In two threads now it has looked like there is a good likelihood that bouncers carrying concealed weapons have let this go to their head and made something more dangerous than it needed to be.

SJG
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carlos_spiceyweiner
10 years ago
SJG,I just explained this shit to you, and really don't care what you think moving forward. As evidenced in this thread and others, you only hear what you want. You're on my ignore list as of right now.
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tobala
10 years ago
@Carlos- some people look for things to be offended by. Great honest article !
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carlos_spiceyweiner
10 years ago
@Tobala, thanks! You hit it square on the nose.
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san_jose_guy
10 years ago
"Looking back, Lisa's may have been simply asking for police attention by operating as it did."

Carlos, It sounds like the place was in a run down neighborhood, in a run down building, and its dancers were not the youngest or the best looking. Sounds like maybe they did 'extras' at rock bottom prices. But what laws were they breaking that the other strip clubs couldn't equally well be accused of breaking?

Are you blaming this Lisa's for bringing on the action from the State Legislature?

Now having said this, often it is true that the P4P providers at the bottom end of the price ladder are the ones most likely to get busted. This is just how it works, and it is entirely unfair. As such I don't think we should be contributing to their stigma.

SJG
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Durin421
10 years ago
The bit about "operating as it did" clearly refers to the openness about "extras".

Please stop trolling.
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carlos_spiceyweiner
10 years ago
@Durin421, exactly! Thanks! As I said from the very beginning, the bar never pretended to be anything more than a front for a brothel, and that's exactly what got it busted.
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san_jose_guy
10 years ago
"TUSCL members from NE Ohio know Lisa's as the ugly girl of clubs. She's the local gal every guy bangs when he's desperate and doesn't brag about later. "

Carlos, you say you've patronized the club, and its dancers, and yet this is how you talk about it?

"A few days later I showed up at a club that easily could have been a gateway to hell."

"There was nothing sexy about them at all. They looked tired and run down, like a collection of Walmart cashiers stripped down to unflattering undergarments. A brunette--the best looking of the bunch--did a quick dollar dance for me where she climbed up on my chair and rubbed her crotch down my forehead and face. I got a whiff of nasty vagina that I still believe, if just the slightest bit stronger, would have turned me into a raging homosexual on the spot. "

SJG
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jestrite50
10 years ago
I am familiar with Lisa's. I live in the Akron area and have been there a few times before they were shut down. Yes this was a club known as being a front for prostitution. It was also known as a place where drugs were bought and sold wholesale fashion. They didn't try to conceal it. If they weren't so boldly brazen about it and tried to operate a little more discreetly they may be still in business today.
One thing I will say though is its not unusual for Carlos to put down the extras clubs that are common in the Akron area. Read his reviews of Lusty's and Old Glory Daze and you will see what I mean. Carlos seems to have contempt for the extras clubs in Akron for some reason.
Prostitution was a major problem for the APD over the years. As a young boy I lost my virginity in a whore house on N. Howard Street. The city has leveled all those brothels and the prostitutes have moved into the clubs. I support this because it's safer and the prostitutes can make more money. Gone are days of the $20 dollar suck and fuck on Howard Street. Now we have elevated it to a new level in the clubs. Prostitution is a victimless crime. That's why Leo doesn't waste much time on it. As long as man has been on this earth there has been prostitution and it will continue as long as the earth endures. Let's just keep it safe in the clubs and keep it off the street. I don't have a problem with extras myself. Although I will no longer pay for them. I take care of the girls that I get dances from and let's just say they take care of me.
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carlos_spiceyweiner
10 years ago
Another genius with reading comprehension issues. If I had an issue with extras clubs, why would I go to them? I criticize some of these clubs--but for other reasons, usually because some of the girls are scammers and the club has issues with drugs. You know who else criticizes those clubs as well? Other TUSCL members who go to them. Holy shit, some of you people are stupid!
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jestrite50
10 years ago
Your reviews speak for themselves. You talk out of both sides of your mouth. I reread all of your reviews of OGD and Lusty's and you say you recommend them but at the same time you are slamming them. Make up your fuck in mind Moron. These are the top clubs in Akron right now for those who want extras and you are trashing them because of one or two dancers with issues. We don't need you to warn us about scammers and drugged out dancers. We can handle ourselves. I've been in more clubs than you could even dream of going too.
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carlos_spiceyweiner
10 years ago
Oh, please. So I can't find something good and bad in clubs? It has to all be one way? How stupid are you? By the way, the word is "fucking" not "fuck in" you brain dead twat.
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jestrite50
10 years ago
Was that a fart or did I hear an asshole speak ?
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carlos_spiceyweiner
10 years ago
Great come back. In case you weren't paying attention, people write here. They don't speak. Anyhow, I don't deal with children, especially the inbred kind. You're blocked. You and SJG can cuddle up and obsess over things you don't understand. By my estimation, that should be a LOT of cuddling. Have fun, boys!
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san_jose_guy
10 years ago
Carlos, I think the issue is just that you speak so derisively of these clubs and of the women who work in them, but yet you would seem to be engaging in sex acts with them.

The oldest hang up in the world is to be dividing women into two categories. It is completely unfair.

I noticed this on one of your earlier articles.
https://www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=3…

You wrote, "As someone who likes strip clubs, I also hate customers who: don't tip, demand extras, are there to treat the dancers badly because they have shit lives, stink, are stoned on booze or drugs, or who actually think they're going to walk out of a club with a new "girlfriend." Strip clubs are places you go to drop money to burn off some stress by having a good time with some booze and female nudity."

Most of the people I know who go to strip clubs treat the dancers very well. Whether they be in an upscale club, or a dive where the women openly solicit extras, most of the people I know treat them very well. Most of the customers understand that the women are trying to earn a living and that, getting near retirement age, it may be harder for them, and so they have to be aggressive. Most of the customers I know enjoy this, whether they actually partake or not. I also count myself very lucky to have made the acquaintance of some beloved Latina escorts.

Some people go into strip clubs and they do walk out with a new girl friend. A number of people on TUSCL have recently posted at length about this.

Not every one goes to strip clubs just to use booze or women to burn off stress. Not everyone lives by escapism.

SJG

Stones, 2013
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJSkApJm…
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PhantomGeek
10 years ago
Mitchell, yeah, SJG did the very same thing with Lena Smirnova's article, "How to Make Money Stripping." She even said she was Ignoring him back on (IIRC) October 13, and he kept on babbling away.
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carlos_spiceyweiner
10 years ago
PhantomGeek, Lena made the right move. I started reading that thread weeks ago but bailed after he started posting. Mitchell_Beer, well buddy, I'm glad you enjoy him, and he'll probably be back. I told him days ago he was on my ignore list, but he ignored that like everything else. Anyhow, onto more strip club history.
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DoctorDarby
10 years ago
I remember Lisa's and occasionally frequented the bookstore next door that carried some of the more shocking European porn you couldn't get at the Adult Mart. I think I only went into Lisa's 2 or 3 times and recall it very much as Carlos does. I was not actively seeking extras in those days so I was blithly unaware of the club's brothel-like qualities. It was a shithole by all standards, so all the claptrap about classism and other drivel being cranked out by some commentors has little merit. It was what it was. Thanks for the sordid journey down memory lane however. We have clearly stumbled down the same sordid footpaths over the past few decades!
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bigstad24
10 years ago
The part that always made me laugh about Lisa's was the fact that it was open for 23 Hours a Day at one point. Everyday between 6AM and 7AM it would shut down. I have no idea why this occurred, but it always made me laugh. Great article.

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rl27
10 years ago
I went to Lisa's once in the mid 90's, and it was just as described by Carlos and others here. I had gone to several clubs there while visiting Cleveland because I had heard the dances in Akron were a lot more liberal. Club Escape, XTC and Dreamers most often. One day in 2000 I decided to visit Lisa's. First thing I noticed is that it reminded me a lot of a club in Cleveland called Pinky's, where I had my first true extra from a dancer.

I think Pinky's and Lisa's might have had the same owners, since the cover charge, dance pricing methods were the same. Both clubs even had the same signs warning about touching the girls. What a laugh, every dancer I tried in either club put my hands on her body before the dance even started.
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carlos_spiceyweiner
10 years ago
rl27, you are correct. Pinky did purchase Lisa's around the time Brookpark shut down his club. The entire time I went to Lisa's, I met one dancer who didn't do extras. She didn't last very long.

bigstad24, Lisa's and Flashdancers tried the same thing for a while. I'm not sure why they closed for one hour, but bars in other cities do that because they're not allowed to be open for 24 straight hours.Both clubs gave up on it, probably because there just wasn't enough business. There aren't too many dancers willing to be at work at 5 a.m. on a Wednesday if there are no customers. Also, Lisa's actually did impose some strict rules on dancers as far as their work shifts. Once a dancer started, she had to pay a fine if she left early.

DoctorDarby, I spent years stumbling down every sordid path in and around Akron!
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