Comments by JimOsterberg (page 4)

thanks Papi. Dude is 40s and dancer is 20s. About 20 years apart. But worth noting she's a stripper, yes, but educated, sane, has her shit together, has plans, it interested in intellectual stimulation and does not seem to have any 'habits' that would be adversely affecting her situation.

Best mileage I had in Portland was at Pirates Cove. This really rock n' roll looking chick (like a young Tawny Kitaen) who was in a blue teddy. After chatting her up a bit told me her shift was up, to meet me outside and we'd go to my car. I was kinda stunned and said "sure!" I drove around to the back and picked her up, and we drove across the street. Once in my car not surprisingly her prices were higher than I could afford, so I got an HJ with titty sucking (and they were amazing titties) for $60. It was a relatively dark, isolated spot so had my pants down, not just fly down, thus as HJs go it was pretty good. She snuck back into the back when we were done. As I was driving away I noticed her phone was on seat. I went back and went all the way back into the club and chased her down, subtly. At first she was avoiding me but when I finally got her attention I palmed her phone (it was a flip phone, this was 10 years ago) and she was taken aback. Didn't even know she didn't have it and didn't remember bringing it. She had the flash of relief and appreciation, and said "you know what...." [long pause] "thanks." I was hoping that appreciation was going to be demonstrated physically. Just a hug. But seems like a good place to go. It's in a weird spot and it is a crazy building. It is not a high end, you got that part checked. I think it's high mileage but I never actually got a lapdance there.

Agreed C.M.I. Thanks!

twentyfive -- yep! That's kinda how it I see it ending, my advice notwithstanding

those are sage words ppwh. See, that's why I posted this here.

> Girls in their early/mid twenties like to party. Strippers like to party. Stippers in their early/mid twenties are definitely going to party > hard (their is no down time) Yeah I hear that too. My buddy is barely keeping up. BUT you might be surprised that there is down time. Not the kind that I require but he's been doing normal stuff more often. Clearly though, at what it is, it is not a sustainable pace any more than it's a long-term scenario. He just needs an exit strategy. And not just to pivot to another dancer (as I think about it, at the pace he's seeing other interest, that is even worse! He needs an offramp)

Yeah, I hear you ppwh.

Call.Me.Ishmael (I had a friend named "Ishmael" and he played the line everywhere) I get it on both points. I can tell that this has already been a pivot for him, where he is doing stuff he would never be doing (including fucking a ridiculously hot 20-something who was out of his league even more at age 25 than today!) As I said in the OP, these things never end well. I know the basal instinct to want to get out at the top. My fear for him is that it will end hard and fast, and that he won't see it coming until it happens.

come again? Bacon? Not following you bro (love bacon tho)

There is some good advice here -- including don't go to the club. I did with him once, and I know he has more than once. She texts him and invites him to come in to see her, but he sees her more outside of the club (especially now, and this is something that going on right about 90 days.) He or I or anyone we know, would almost certainly have never met her if not at the club. Our professional and social paths would not cross, and there is not an insignificant amount geography between where we each live, where the club is located, where she lives (even further) or where her family is (much further) But based on my one experience, I would say that should not be repeated. This was early into the relationship -- they'd already scene each other outside the club a few times (with overnights) and he had already been back to the club a couple of times since they first met (which was at the club). The way they met was this -- lapdance and then chatting, and more chatting for a long time, and they swapped numbers. She responded first (via txt naturally) and after a lot of texting back and forth they met outside the club. But here's why I would agree with you 100% that he should *NOT* go into the club. She gave him obvious special treatment and had another dancer do the same. To the point he has a two-on-one LD with everyone's jaw dropping in the club. He looks like a typical "yuppie" (yeah no one says that anymore) not any kind of playa or Russian oligarch. I had special treatment too but nothing like that, and I paid (I don't know to be honest and haven't asked, I know he hasn't paid for a lot but not sure what he paid for that night considering another dancer was involved.) That was an awesome fantasy scenario for a couple of middle-aged dudes with a lot less swagger than would usually command that. And while I would love to have that every Friday night, I think I should consider it once and done as it was getting a bit weird with girls being catty and I just felt like a hammer would drop. Plus, she didn't work that night while we were there. Except for the two-on-one there was nothing unusual about our presence. It would be just like a couple of regular seeing their ATF. And as I right this, I am sure he at least paid the friend. But again I think he and I both should just consider it lucky we had a good time and leave it at that. Warrenboy that is all great advice. Thanks! I will give him my unsolicited advice to stay the hell out of the club -- and to be straight with her that he needs to see her outside of the club if they're going to see each other. That addresses a number of potential issues. The need for validation and attention as primary driver for that lifestyle... shit yeah are you ever right on that!

Thanks Max. That is all true. And yeah I am in the same boat -- it's 'safely' arm's length for me as I am married, but I am starting to get a little friendly with a few for them. Nothing will come of it unless I want to risk it all -- as exciting as it is watch this vicariously, I am not interested in blowing my marriage. This is not a club where he and I are regulars, per se. He is now in a sense but I have only been to that club once since this came about and don't plan to go much more any time soon. But it is curious to see it from this perspective, and to hear the girls talk about what the world is like on their end. I love to have that insight at other clubs. I've been going to clubs for 20 years so I would think I have a pretty realistic sense of things. I have always thought I was realistic that it's a fucking business, not a pickup scene, so if they're being nice, telling you how handsome you are, it's a hustle (duh!) But what surprised me the most is that sometimes when they're being nice, it's because they're actually nice. They not all necessarily jade and don't hate their job nor are they all strung out -- but obviously still that is true for a lot of them. I am just not as good judge of figuring that out as I thought I was.

It's not at all bullshit, twentyfive. Everything I wrote is true, authentic, accurate. If I was going to lie I would make it more interesting and presumably about myself. Upright, yeah looking for any horror or success stories from firsthand experience. Obviously, everyone's circumstances are different. I am usually a go-to guy for advice on these things, but my otherwise mild-mannered bro has completely trumped me on this. My advice is little more than commonsense, which he already has. Right now he has a realistic view of it. At this moment, it is perfect and just a lot of fun. I do see that inevitably changing: jealously; one of them one wanting to bail before the other does; there must be a hundred reasons why this doesn't work as a normal relationship. So I am curious to hear from anyone who has lived through it himself. Or if there are strippers on here who want to share their perspective, that would be huge and greatly appreciated. Otherwise, I get that this isn't so exciting a topic, other than the inevitability of this blowing up at some point.

*so far there are no warning signs

Cashman, I know they do. I am frankly concerned about getting too close to the blast radius. But so, there are no warning signs.

Real dates. Overnight, weekends, dinner, weekend trips. Plus come down to the club for free VIP treatment. It's a legit relationship. Not OTC. So far it is mutually exclusive (neither is seeing anyone else) but that is something worth thinking about on his part, and this is not a condition of the relationship. He's getting interested from other dancers -- and he gets direction from her on who to avoid under the pretenses of she wants him to stay clean. In his mind, he'd rather have a few streams of activity so he doesn't not become emotionally dependent on one inherently volatile situation (all that is my words not his, but that is the gist from what I have observed.) That already includes two other dancers being in touch on totally civilian, not SC matters. He is experiencing something I have experienced as well but never capitalized on anywhere close to how has he -- these younger (early/mid 20s) strippers when they have their shit together do not want to deal with their own peer group and would rather spend their down time with someone older (mid 40s in his and my case) who also has their shit together, and obviously someone who has $$. But he is not getting hit up for the sugar daddy thing. Other than paying for dinner, drinks, and basic travel (a night at a B&B etc) he is not paying for anything out of the norm of any other casual dating. Since he's no longer paying for VIP at the club, he's probably about breakeven overall. Plus so far it seems like a pretty decent relationship. Some crazy stories for sure, but mostly mundane girlfriend stuff (just with a ridiculously hot girl who under other circumstances we are both abundantly clear would be entirely out of his league)

I agree the baby strippers I have seen recently do not go for the multiple dance push like others. But although I agree with the premise in the OP, it hasn't been my experience they're higher mileage. Just amateurish (again in my experience which is not definitive)

I love Fantasy. Actually it is a problem. You should never fall in love with a stripper. I have made that mistake with Fantasy. She's like a dirty version of Ivanka Trump.

That sounds great. I have only been to Jolar Cinema. After the peep in my city closest, I realized that was kidding myself that there were a lame waste of time, and realized I have a fetish. Every time I am in San Diego (AKA Whale's Vagina) I always make a trip to Jolar. But will have to hit this place next time.

Those the exactly the questions I had.

This is great review. I haven't been here in 5 years. Looking at old reviews I noticed some of my old favorite clubs (independents not chains) have become Scores franchises. Seems like their model is to work with the local leader in "high end" market, which is nominal in RI (granted I have not been to Wonderland, but here it is thug central, not like a Scores club.) Has CL become Scores yet? My experience with Scores clubs, as well as Spearmint Rhino clubs, is that the dollar value is a lot lower than the local independent alternative. Beyond the premium they expect for the brand, it seems like the dancers are just not as willing.

I hit the Block for nostalgia but last two times have sucked. The first time for me was only 10 years ago was so awesome that I couldn't believe a place like that still existed in the U.S. and I was in heaven. After old Time Square, Combat Zone, El Centro, and even Providence RI were all shutdown, the Block was truly like heaven. Second time was good, but not as exciting. Last two times completely sucked where despite dropping $200-$240 the bartenders were *total* bitches and the dancers were just scammers. So I have not gone in 5 years and have been wondering about this place. Is it worth the drive from NoVA or DC? Is $30 every time or a membership fee?

Is $30 a membership fee or do you have to pay that every time?

This seems like an ad

Forgot to mention the smoke. WTF?! I get that it is Kentucky and even as an ex-smoker I totally support the freedom to smoke. But What The Actual F---?! Could the owners spend a lot money on a ventilation system??

I don't think it's an ad, just enthusiasm.