I wanted to discuss this here because this tends to be a divisive and confrontational topic in dancer discussions.
Everybody knows this is the looks business firstly, but at the end of the day it doesn't always translate to the prettiest girls being consistent top earners everywhere.
I used to dance, and I've noticed that often times at many clubs the top earners are nowhere near the best looking in the club. Most of them were more average or just completely unremarkable, and a few were even some of the ugliest girls in the whole club.
Things I noticed that consistently get money besides taking care of one's appearance.
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Having lots of good regulars
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Being a very aggressive hustler. Descending upon customers like vultures as soon as they enter or as soon as they sit down. Grabbing dicks or hopping on laps, letting dudes grope on main floor to entice them to buy dances or rooms.
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Doing either straight up extras or doing things that most or all other girls won't do
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Youth. They got this energy/vibrance that mid 20s and up just never have anymore. But they are often never top in looks, just have a whole different personality than older chicks. Easy to manipulate and control for old creeps that prey on them in the clubs
Things I notice that sometimes (inconsistently) help girls do well besides looking good
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A really athletic stage set that most don't have flexibility or strength for. This I actually really respect unlike all the other shit I highlighted
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Not so cute girls that make dudes feel very special (not necessarily with extras) just talk to him make him feel on top of the world I think once the guy likes the personality some overlook the extra 20 lbs and face that needs surgical help.


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As customers we typically know less about what anyone is really making than dancers do. Regulars can be tricky, as they generally want to think they are the favorite one. The ones who work a lot are much less likely to expect free company, as they don't have time for it. But they expect you to be available at the drop of a hat. They don't stop to think, that would only work with a popular stripper if they were giving her an allowance in six figures.
Door vulturing only works for strippers who know they'd rarely be any customer's first choice.
I had a fav who had crazy upper body strength for a woman. She could hold herself perpendicular to the poll. But she was introverted, and it helped her fuck all to make money. Being able to do that made her feel less feminine and more introverted.
The dancers who could pass for jail bait can really bank on the pedo money. But the ones who can seem weak while really being the one doing the manipulating make the best money.
I used to go to a club with $30 dances, where the club took $5 from every dance. So the managers knew what everyone made not counting tips, and word got around. Word had it that a dancer who kinda looked like the porn star Bridgette B made the most. I was only rarely able to get a dance with her. She told me I didn't have to be so careful with her boobs, as many customers squeezed them so hard she worried her implants would pop out. So yeah, it would seem a dancer has to tolerate a lot to get every dollar. One of her parents was from Central Asia. She convinced the club to play belly dance music when she was on stage so she could belly dance to it, which was majorly cool.
Dancers that are fun to be around and make you feel better, even if they're average looks wise, consistently make good money. They have great personalities and truly love interacting with men. If they happen to be hot, too, then they make great money.
Unfortunately it’s all about the extras, and this works against the best looking girls since PLs usually assume that the hottest girls have GPS.
Yes, I will agree that it does seem girls have to tolerate some retarded bullshit to get as much money as possible.
I hate the pedo customers. Even when I was younger, I quickly figured out that yes many old white men have money, but no it isn't always worth it for my sanity. A lot of them have serious entitlement issues, no offense to the well behaved older white gents.
I have actually lost count of how many times I have seen girls get taken to do a long series of back to back dances or private room sessions after a badass stage routine. So I am gonna have to disagree on that one very strongly.
I do agree with you on door vultures or even girls that immediately descend on guys as soon as they stand at the bar or sit down. These are almost always low tier on the looks scale. The problem is some clubs are so dead that any and all dancers have to stoop to that level or no money made all shift.
Yeah, I agree regulars are tricky. The ones that spend on at least one or certain girls to some extent tho are never the worst. I never understood club furniture unless these are friends with the owners and help them out or some shit. But the dudes that are just useless and ogle don't spend $1 night after night I don't understand. At the same time towards the end of my dancing I started to somewhat appreciate them. At some clubs that are pretty dead, it helps dudes to see there are cars in the lot, and that they aren't the only customers in the club.
And yes extras do fuck up the game a lot once it is enough of them being done cheaply.
From what I've seen, there are more clubs without ITC extras than with. But maybe there are some areas that, for whatever reason, only have clubs with ITC extras. Like maybe South Florida and Northern New Jersey. I've never been to clubs in those areas.
IME more clubs do have otc than itc. OTC does fuck with clubs though too when every guy starts asking a girl to go outside the club with him for something insultingly cheap. It doesn't fuck the money up as much as cheap itc extras. I find more it is girls like pushing the line and not really doing straight up extras. But pushing the line without charging extra. Girls should be able to sell basic dances without immediately going and grabbing random men by the dick.
I would probably say the best looking girls sell dances to the most different individual customers but the ones who make the most money are the ones who provide the best experience within the context of a given club, whether that includes extras or not.
My strip club experience is almost entirely South Florida where the clubs are basically quick service brothels where ITC extras are the norm. In these clubs the girls aren’t interested in doing a number of $10 or $20 table dances, or $25 lap dances. They’re always pushing for VIP after the first song, which in this market means extras. And in most clubs (other than Tootsies, E11even, or Rachel’s), it’s a race to the bottom where the less attractive girls are willing to do VIP for less than the better looking girls, making the less attractive more desirable.
@Iknowbetter So even in South Florida, there are multiple non-extras clubs that can compete with the extras clubs. And E11even and Tootsies have the best average people scores, which is part of what blah is saying. If the cops someday decide to focus on real instead of fake victims, maybe most everyone will live within a half hour of both an extras and non-extras club. And all will be well in lap dance land.
I've seen popular girls have guys lined up to do vip with extras. One thing that helps is for the girl to have regular hours so a guy can know she'll be there. Some dancers show up, get changed, and get to work. Others sit around on their phone, go outside to smoke, or just talk with other dancers or regulars. They'd make more if they'd at least look around and make eye contact.
#3 works for me
#3 and #4 get the job done. And if you don't have #4, you're going to have to lean into #3.
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