How much longer is this conflict that no one asked for going to continue ? Iran never had nukes either by the way . Trumps second term has been more of a disaster since the first Dems should easily sweep the house and senate in November .
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How much longer is this conflict that no one asked for going to continue ? Iran never had nukes either by the way . Trumps second term has been more of a disaster since the first Dems should easily sweep the house and senate in November .
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One can only hope. And then Sepukku (sp?) at 1600PennAve perhaps
Totally true, Trump II sucks. But then what? Dems have little to offer beyond not being Trump. Even if they manage to win presidency in 2028, if they don’t tamp down the DSA movement we’ll wind up with another 4 year administration before the Oval Office switches parties again. The swings and divisiveness are killing this country. China is eating our lunch while we fight amongst ourselves.
@Hank Moody China doesnt care for nor even benefit from a divided America. This is a bad take…
@Hank Moody We take 2 steps to the Left, then a GOP POTUS gets elected and 1 step right. The march slowly continues Left. The Bolsheviks led by Lenin were a very small minority yet gave birth to the USSR in Oct 1917. And yes, it can happen here.
If anyone found they had a single cancer cell in their body, they'd want it destroyed. DSA is a cancer that is spreading.
Iran had to be dealt with. To the radicals running Iran death is not a problem, their business is to prosecute their 800AD radical agenda. The ME countries did nothing to stop Iran, and now they can see what Iran is like as they lob drones and missiles at them. At least Saudi is going after the Iranian proxies.
If Iran got a nuke, Trump would be blamed. So he still gets blamed. Iran proved they have missiles that can go 1,500 miles. And I have no doubts they'd pop a nuke on them and use them.
The choices here are lousy, a nuke would be even worse. I suspect the best outcome will be to continue to economically strangle them and keep "mowing" as needed. The Proxies need to be stopped too.
If anyone has a better idea, bring it up - doing nothing or bugging out is not a choice.
@mogul1985 The least controversial statement of all time is “Iran can’t have a nuke.” We all agree. How to prevent it is where the decisions come in.
This half assed war isn’t the answer. The country wasn’t behind it. Congress isn’t behind it. It has been super expensive, depleted our missile stockpiles, got soldiers killed, raised oil prices (which raises the price of everything), no regime change, we’ve built support among Iranian citizens for the ayatollah by killing innocents, we can’t get out and all for what? A delay. That’s not nothing, but if all we were going to get was a delay there were better ways to do it.
Start with not ripping up the JCPOA. No, it wasn’t perfect. It needed to be enforced. That would have been better.
Even after we ripped it up, Trump could’ve negotiated a better deal and taken the win. Longer sunsets, better inspections, better control. That was the best move we had.
Instead, Trump thought (and still foolishly thinks) he can bomb them into caving to our demands. He looks and he makes the USA look like a pathetic weakling. I can’t wait until he terms out. Rubio would be so much better than this. And I’ll throw you some red meat. Kamala would’ve fucked up the border but she would’ve handled Iran better. No war, reasonable inflation, no pardoning of crypto crooks or J6 traitors.
@Hank Moody rubio the failure wont ever be president
@Hank Moody After 50 years, Iran was well on their way to a nuke-tipped missile, and nothing was ever done. And, clearly given their radical 800 AD Islamic Revolutionary drive, they'd used it. JCPOA was just shined-on by Iran as Iran controlled when, who and where inspections could be done. Even Chuck Schumer HATED IT and fleshed out all the issues that became true.
In 2010, Stuxnet was used by our "MiB" to infect Siemen's centrifuges however it was detected by an Iranian tech guy wondering why computers were crashing/rebooting, and contacted Russian (I think?) VirusBlokAda who ID'ed the virus.
Siemen's should have been sanctioned and economically banned and pressured to stop supporting Iran that Obama clearly adored. At best, Siemen's should have limited the ability of the centrifuges to only get to 10% enrichment that is needed for medical and nuclear power.
The only way to stop Iran's nuclear obsession was to hit them, it's all they understand. The UN is just impotent waste of time.
In WWII, Americans didn't want to get involved with Germany, FDR found ways to support Britain. If not for FDR, Europe would be Goose-Stepping today. Japan was the tipping point, and we'll never know for sure if FDR was aware an attack was headed for Pearl.
IRGC needs to be decapitated, mowing the grass doesn't fix the problem.
As far as running low on munitions, only the military and those with TS/SCI or SAP know how much we have. The WaPa HATES America and Trump.
One (of many) thing the Pentagon has been retarded about without learning from the progress Ukraine has made with drone warfare. Using a missile to take down an Iranian drone worth 1% of our missile is downright stupid - the military-industrial complex is about MONEY and Eisenhower warned America about this when he was POTUS. Ukraine has made amazing progress in drone warfare on the cheap. Raytheon, Lockheed and Boeing are just bureaucratic money pits. Look what Musk has done with SpaceX with less than half the funding Boeing got from NASA - SpaceX had to send an Uber to bring back ISS astronauts as Boeing's pile was too untrustworthy.
50 years from Carter through Biden failed, #47 is doing the dirty work. The UN is useless. Trump did an incredibly hard thing to hit Iran as he isn't concerned with a re-election. The only thing Dems care about is for the GOP/Trump to fail so they can take permanent power, they don't give a shit about America, just power - and too many GOP'ers are in that camp too.
If Iran got a nuke, Trump would be pilloried. Trump attacks, and gets same. Do nothing the past half-century, and Iran would get an use a nuke.
@Hank Moody Simply if this half-assed war isn't the solution, what is? Remember, what is done during #47 can change radically with a future POTUS and Congress. How to stop Iran for the next 50 years is the questions. This is a serious global issue that is just the can being kicked down the road for someone else to deal with.
What is the solution you'd suggest? Really, I'm interested as I don't like this war thing either.
@Hank Moody agreed that Trump 2 sucks, but 95% of it is because the supposed Republican majority sits around on their ass all day and doesn’t get anything passed/done…
'Iran never had nukes either by the way .'
It's not because they weren't trying to produce them. They were in the process and they will continue trying to build them. Also iran has waged a proxy war against us for multiple years, they just haven't had the ability to take us down or they would have tried. Having said that I went on record here stating that I wasn't happy about this war when it started, and i'm less happy with where we're at now but there's nothing I or anyone else here can do about it. Complaining or supporting it won't change anything.
@440viking mi friend what i heard from youtube analysts and experts or so called experts is that iran wanted to be a nuclear threshold state- something similar to japan, where they dont actually have nukes, but want to have the capability to quickly develop them if they choose to
Now the other thing is apparently the previous Ayatollah was completely opposed to nukes while the new Mojtaba is apparently more open to them
I am seventy years old and lived through the Vietnam and Afghanistan wars. It can take awhile for our leadership to walk away from these wars. Most people do not like admitting they were wrong about something. It is hard to guess when we will give up on our Iran war. The full effect of the war on gas prices, though, have yet to hit. China had cut imports and relied on reserves but is now starting to import oil again. That, the continuation of Iran blocking the Strait of Hormuz, and the Houthis closing the Red Sea will drive up prices.
netanyahu is to blame also he's been wanting this war for decades and guess who was stupid enough ?
Trump is not a smart man. He thought Iran would be an easy and quick win which anyone with a brain knew that was wrong. Trump was trying desperately to distract from releasing the Epstein files since he's an obvious child rapist and is all over those files. For some reason those files still haven't been released. Trump's approval rating is at 32% and his stupidity to allow Elon Musk and DOGE cut a bunch of things that are now hurting us is biting them in the ass. Did those cuts get us a DOGE check? Did they help with the deficit? No. Trump is by far the worst president to run up our debt. His incompetence and the fact that his Republican colleagues refuse to even admit that Trump lost the 2020 election show the American people that all they care about is themselves and not affordability etc which is what they ran on and have failed miserably at improving.
It’s wild that Iran still haven’t taken out Brn or his dad
It can’t be that hard
@sfrsox who is brn..
Some actual planning going into this war would've gone one helluva a long way. Some solid and verified Intel on the locations of all of the weapons and the materials beforehand should've been done so priority targets could've been established. And a coalition should've been established; just two countries with a shock-and-awe campaign? A couple of major league idiots definitely proved their incompetent and arrogance here. Hell, I'm confident a small team of wargamers would've had more and better plans and goals than Trump and Hegseth could've dreamed of doing.
The amount of TDS and Chambermain-like appeasement in this thread is mind-boggling.
Destroying Iran's ability to meaningfully pursue their nuclear ambitions is the right thing to do, but it's being done in the wrong way. Congress closed the door on doing it the right way
Killing the tyrants and warlords at the top of the Iranian leadership and giving the people an opportunity to take control of their country is the right thing to do, but it's the wrong time. That ship sailed in 2009.
How the UN and ME parliaments have not agreed to a framework that would fully isolate and embargo Iran as punishment for their attacks against their neighbors is unbelievable.
Between a weak and feckless UN, weaselly and worthless NATO "allies", and our own ass-grabbing Congress, it may be time to carpet-bomb Kharg Island, drop MOABs all over northern routes from Iran to China, crater every military and civilian airport, keep the blockade in place and starve them out.
@TheOne&Only Key issue is the reason why we have a standoff with Iran in the first place is because we backed a coup in the 50s, then that lead to the Mullahs. Actually too much interventionalism/neoconservatism will lead to more extremism abroad and both liberals + sensible conservatives will agree with this.
@basedtexasnationalist similar to the Korean war situation in the 50s still going now
@nemesisk7 Yep pretty much
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@nemesisk7 just don't get the iceberg lettuce
And let Bessent cook!
Gammanutjob has to be the biggest chicken shit Poster on this site. He talks all tough behind the screen yet never has been in the military and can call everyone else TDS as he sits comfortably behind a computer screen 14,000 miles away from any real conflict in the Middle East. All hat and no cattle. What a pussy!
The west has been at war with islam for over 1,000 years. Iran was our ally, led by a king "the Shah of Iran". Jimmy Carter, the born-again peanut brain president, thought the Shah was too mean to the muslims, and he helped bring about the Shah, our ally, being overthrown. Ever since then, 1979, the muslims in Iran have sponsored various muslim terrorist groups. They've been on a mission to obtain nukes, which they'll certainly use the first time they get a chance. First they'll nuke isreal, then the usa. Trump is the first president we've had who has the balls to do something about it. America will get nuked some day, but Trump has pushed that day farther into the future.
No one believes these so called Bullshit peace deals the administration is saying also
@nemesisk7 Have you ever run for senate or house so you can actually do something? Congress is after 2 main things: MONEY and getting Re-elected. Congress is so tight that the incumbents who will run in 2026 are just doing a CYA. Iran is a serious threat and problem; MSM and schools have indoctrinated new anti-Americans over the past 40 years as we can see with the rise of the DSA - they lack so much they have to morph the Dems' low information supporters/voters.
I'm glad something is finally being done that should have been done over 40 years ago to build a ME alliance to neuter Iran's 800AD Jihad Quest - Abraham Accords, it yes it so freaky slower than molasses in January as the other Islamic countries are a problem.
After the Islamic Crusades of 900-1100 AD, the European/Christian Crusaders reacted in 110AD to drive them out of Southern Europe and Northern Africa.
Radical Islam has been an issue since 900AD. Islam has been brewing since then, and Iran went all 800AD Radical in 1979.
Until the IRGC is crushed like the Nazis, it will continue to be a serious issue. When the WTC was attacked, Bush called the response to be multi-generational., and now we are fighting on the homeland with the rise of the Krakon DSA ala Communists in Dem Clothes.
End this stupid war now and give every American a big raise by reducing the fucking inflation it caused. Gas, fertilizer (aka groceries) etc. Or you could just take all our money and build missiles to protect Isreal or give to our obscenely funded and bloated military - which is less effective more obsolete now than it was 10 years and $10 trillion ago. Great fucking military leaders - we should really listen to them. Fucking assholes.
Yeah bogeyman Iran will nuke us as soon as they get a nuke. Just like bogeymen USSR/Russia (Putin is a scary madman!) China and North Korea did. Remember that nuclear holocaust? Don’t want go through that again.
@Studme53 We had MAD back then, and still do. Iran doesn't care how many 100s of millions are incinerated for Jihad. You don't get it, they don't care, as they'll get their 72 "virgins."
@mogul1985 God damn mogul! I didn't know you have a PhD in Geopolitics with an emphasis on Iran. Did you minor in Sharia Law as well? You nailed what is in the hearts and minds of every Iranian on the planet. I didn't "get it" before, but your two sentences have me "getting it." I'm glad we narrowly avoided an Iranian nuke hitting Miami by the end of the year.
@jaybud999 Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder could clearly see what Iran is doing and will do.
@mogul1985 a bad take. If iran is so willing to nuke everyone as you claim- they could just fire enough missiles equivalent to nuke level impact.
MAD is clearly still a thing even if israel has nukes and iran doesnt. MAD isnt just about having nukes or not- it actually means having the ability to inflict enough damage on your opponent.
The fact mojtaba and their other leadership is hiding or not partaking in the war, and the fact they didnt really kill any Israeli or Gulf country civilians, actually shows that the concept of MAD is still in play.
Don’t drink that koolaid
As time marches forward, the Left depends on fear, propaganda and low information voters. MIT Economist Johnathon Gruber helped architect ObamaCare to get it to pass, and this is an exact quote from him that 100 that applies to Dems, DSA, Liberals, Socialists, Communists, the "Left" for anything they do going forward - it's also how Venezuela brought in Communism without a kinetic revolution:
@mogul1985 this war is fear propaganda from republicans and Netanyahu
@nemesisk7 What is the "propaganda?" I'm surprised you didn't say MAGA. WHEW!
@mogul1985 You will lose the house and senate . fox news channel is the worse propaganda all fear nukes that iran doesn't have .
@nemesisk7 Let's see how the Nov '26 elections go. That's the only poll I care about. BTW, I won't lose anything, America will if the DSA takes over. It's delusional to think Iran doesn't have a nuke wet dream and will use them as soon as they have them. 800AD, here we will come.
Always the fault of the Jews according to the Nazis called democrats. Muslim suck offs. Nazis and commies, anything but an American = Democrats of today. Fuck all of you.
@skibum609 You voted for this Mess twice bum609
I voted for Trump 3 times but this war will destroy his presidency and his legacy. War is death, poverty and failure.
100% incorrect Nemesisk. I voted for him once. The only problem with this war is that we needed to hit hard with troops on the ground. Either go to war or don't, but don't do the in-between bombing bullshit which has never worked once in history. Its like golf. You cannot decide to chip it or pitch it, but you hit the shot anyway, do both and the result is a disaster. Wish Iran had hit civilians in Tel Aviv and Israel nuked them.
We haven't won a war in 80 years because we've half-assed them with an aim less than total victory. Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, now Iran we're lobbing a few missiles and hoping it'll take out an entrenched regime that rules 90 million people. Raytheon and Lockheed benefit handily though. If a war isn't worth going all out for, it's not worth it.
Before anyone asks, I only voted for Trump once, in 2024, because the left has completely lost the plot, and I would vote for him over Harris again in a heartbeat. Mild inflation and another foreign misadventure are nothing compared to the wholesale invasion and destruction of western civilization. The left has only gotten worse, letting the DSA in.
@ThePuddyTat so who did you back in 2016 and 2020? I voted for him in 2016 and 2020… IMO 2024 was the worst of the 3 times to vote for him.. i voted Cumela 2024
@rickthehick Third party both times. 2024 was less about love of Trump than against a Democratic party that went utterly buttfucking crazy. Harris and Walz were fucktards but the problem goes well beyond then. And the 2024 Democratic party is a party of George Washingtons and Abe Lincolns compared to what it is now.
And we’re not winning this one either. Everyone except Trump has already realized we can’t win without an invasion. The Iranians are just fucking with him now. They’ll stretch out the fake settlement talks until the midterms and after that? This will be the next president’s job to get out of. I’ll repeat myself. Best end to this is some beefed up version of the JCPOA with reduced enrichment % and enforceable inspections but I have doubts we can even bargain for that now.
What do we get for “winning?” Higher gas and inflation, a more radical regime confident they can control us by shutting down the strait, and an Iranian populace that was stomped down after the President tweeted he’d save them. So we created another generation of Muslims who we might have brought to our side but instead they hate because we bombed their schools and killed their families. Just fucking stupid.
@Hank Moody who said an invasion would make winning more likely…? The Iranians would have a massive terrain and home base advantage.
There is no “bringing the iranians to our side” when 70%+ of republicans, like mogul and skibum above, want to genocide the entire iranian population.
Also we dont really know whats going on with any of these negotiations whether now or early on.. but supposedly at least one of the previous republican demands was iran cant have ballistic missiles..? Lol. Thats equivalent to saying dont have national defense
We also bombed school and killed 150 little girls - children of military members. Not to mention “decapitating” their political and religious leadership. Could you imagine if that happened here? They’re not going to play nice.
@Studme53 most republicans consider those little girls to be criminal terrorists in the making- also they were children of terrorists- they classify irgc as a terrorist organization and iran as a terror state.
Also the targeting of that little girls school was likely intentional, essentially a punishment to get their parents to submit
@rickthehick trumps administration needs to be prosecuted
Saw some Congressman from Ark, where they make a lot of missiles apparently, cheering about the corrupt (my word) military-industrial complex cabal gearing up to build and buy, with your money, 10 times more missiles. To the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars. Because we depleted $100s of billions in missiles already in the stupid war. 60-70% of our stockpiles. We used to build things that provide value and create wealth like highways, dams and electrical and energy infrastructure, all productive spending. Building bombs and missiles to kill people andblow up things on the other side of the world, devoid of the interests of the American people, is the opposite of productive spending for Americans. It destroys things of value and economic production.
Now it seems our soldiers are jumping off ship because of how long they've been out there , No coverage of that from Fox News
And DJT claims to be America first? More like Big Defense, Palantir, Flock Cameras and Big Tech first!
@basedtexasnationalist The MIC seems to be the greatest beneficiary of these slow-burn wars where we fire million dollar missiles at thousand dollar drones for years and years and never try to actually, y'know, WIN the war.
@ThePuddyTat We went from "In God We Trust" to "In Big Defense We Trust". You can see Citizens United fudged up American democracy at this point. We need taxpayer funded elections or have elections were people raise from small contributors only to actually have democracy. Also, Supreme Court Justices should be voted in too!
@basedtexasnationalist Citizens United had bad effects, but looks to have been the right call under the Constitution. The SCOTUS was structured to insulate it from the passions of the day, exactly what the DSA wants to undo, but that won't change without a constitutional amendment, which won't happen. The system works when we let it.
@ThePuddyTat Which is one reason why we have to fight back against tyranny!
Trump’s stupid comments/response to the USS Lincoln reports tells you a lot. It must be like the emperor’s new clothes. Either he’s too arrogant to take any advice on how to respond as a President or all his advisors are too timid, stupid or apathetic to advise him.
^^ Another example of how pathetically weak young "men" have become. Three of my relatives who served in WW2 were gone for over three years, they slept outside a lot, unlike sailors. So pathetic that heft wing Americans support the vermin called Iran. Embarrassing to real American men.
@skibum609 Oh yes, this current "war" is just like WW2, it makes perfect sense to compare the experience of a WW2 soldier to this. The reasons aren't even comparable, and you need to have a reason when you kill people or smash another country. SMH. Jurisperitus? Oh, you're just a divorce lawyer collecting your grinding machine checks and jumping on a club review site with your bullshit anal sis. Wait, I'm also jumping on a club review site with some bullshit. Retract my last sentence. You know, from the record? I happen to agree that some of those sailors need to suck it up, they signed the contract, but half of them don't agree with how the orange dummy is going about fiddling with their work lives.
This is nowhere near close to an “either or.” The situation during Trump II is objectively both. It’s not even debatable.
It is actually neither/ nor. As with every politically motivated attack, it is absolutely 100% debatable. The left wing media reporting is factually false and utterly biased. There is plenty of positive feedback coming from sailors aboard the USS Lincoln, but leftist v reporting buries it because it does not fit the narrative.
The question isn’t whether there are some mentally weak sailors on the USS Lincoln - I’m sure there are. It’s Trump’s childish response that’s the issue.
“No. No. No — not nearly long enough” Like something a bitchy teenager would say.
@Studme53 “No. No. No — not nearly long enough” Something the wives, girlfriends, and FS strippers of the lib cope squad here must say a lot.
@ThePuddyTat Now THAT, was a quality comment. I'm ready for my reach around when you're done with mogul and whatever the fuck gum a man changed his gender to.
Everything Trump does is childish, ignorant, or both. Having said that progressives are the enemy of all real americans so they are never going to be an option. Party of fucking islam, the religion of the prophet with a nine year old wife.
@skibum609 Are you skilled enough to get that nine year old a good settlement?
Asshole neo-cons are so stupid and in love with war and killing people on the other side of the world to keep taxpayer money flowing to the military industrial complex they renamed the Department of Defense (Americans will give all to defend the U.S.) to Department of War (Americans hate unnecessary war like this one). It’s good in a way. People have seen the light shown by this stupid administration with this disastrous war. The days of the U.S. military being used like “world police” at the whim of the President and his foreign interests are over.
Lefties are so pathetically insipid and anti-American. Iran has been looking for this since 1979. We should have keep bombing infrastructure in Iran; let Israel keep wiping out the IRGC leadership and armed the [peshmerga for their invasion. Lefties love to whine about palestinian terrorists dying, but Iran murdering 50,000 protestors this year breeds silence. The stupidity of the left is astounding yet predictable. Look at the left? Do they look like fucking Americans or foreign money grubbers?
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