Thread 3: Stripper ->ATF->OTC->SB?

The formatting of this did not at all turn out like I had hoped. Sorry in advanced if this is hard to read.

I have gotten her some things from her amazon list before. She always loves it so thats always a good move.

It seems like in most cases eventually she’ll get tired of you or you’ll get tired of her and it’ll end. In situations like this it’s usually no hard feelings and both parties move on.

Will it happen next week? Or next year? Nobody really knows.

Enjoy the ride while it lasts. It seems both parties are happy at the moment so no point in trying to complicate anything.

Best of luck.

I didn't read the two previous threads completely, I skimmed a bit though. What you're describing seems very similar to what I do pretty regularly. The exact details and pace aren't the same, but the general idea of moving from inside to outside the club while at the same time from strictly transactional to more of a general arrangement and even blurring the lines a bit between arrangement and relationship.

What kind of future can you expect? I can't answer that. I can tell you from my experience, they end eventually. The reasons vary and the time varies. I've had the relationships end cause she was pursuing a career and achieved her goals, no longer needing me. I've had it end cause she let herself go and once the hotness wore off I realized the personality wasn't enough to keep my interest. Usually it's no big deal, maybe a bit of an argument at the end but I've never had any real drama ensue. Usually the end is amicable or just sorta happens without me even realizing it.

Should you keep going? That's up to you. If you're having a good time and can afford it, I don't see why not. If you're interested in something more traditional, I'd be more than a little wary and cautious, but I'd stop short of saying hell no. I wouldn't stop just because you're worried about where it might go. You're probably in far enough now where the hole isn't gonna get much deeper, might as well enjoy it.

For other advice, I'd say I've been consistently surprised how quickly I find a replacement when one of these relationships end. I had a fave like this I saw for maybe 3 years, we ended things and I had literally met my next fave the very first time I went to a club after that. That's not to say don't appreciate what you have, just keep in mind what it likely is.

Well I suspect it will end when you stop paying her ( or she doesn’t need $)
Also don’t confuse a transactional relationship with a ‘real’ relationship.
The difference is paying your partner.

Youll have the kind go future you want to build on.its not a realistic scenario for the long run though. Eventually you have to distinguish fantasy from reality. For the both of you

It can go in many ways. Even if there’s a big age difference she might be open to dating you, or living with you provided you can take care of her.

Icey is a guy who pimps out a few strippers behind the scenes, and encourages them to scam and rob clients. So any advice he gives you isnt reliable, and may be meant to screw you over, get you robbed etc

We are both in our 30s so there isn’t too big of age gap. We are definitely nowhere near her living with me. I guess I will just keep on and see how everything pans out.

One thing I have noticed during my 43 years of being heavily involved in the personal lives of others, for pay: No relationship based on money is "real". It's a transaction, sometimes with a dose of realism, but it's still a transaction. In all relationships, their quality is not determined by how people react when times are good and the money flows. They are determined by how people act when things aren't going well, and the faucet is turned off. When you're up, everyone loves ya. When you're down the ones who do are the real ones, and they are never the ones who loved your money.
Hey if you drink skim milk (its still milk) and think it tastes exactly like whole milk, ignore the above, cuz they all taste the same.

Love these updates - keep it up!

Btw, you mentioned in an earlier update 27 vs 37… now both 30s?

Same thing happened to me btw with my ATF.. she was early 20’s when I met her and then found out a few months later she was almost 30, hah

@rickjames

Ya she has honestly never been clear about her age. I am not sure if this is a red flag or not. After we got a little closer she admitted to me that she was in her 30s and not 27. I am not too happy she doesn't feel like she can tell me how old she is as I truly do not care.

Not all that surprising tbh - dancers want to be youthful - they know their job has a shelf life. Tho you see some OG dancers out there.. it’s a young woman’s game!

Btw if you don’t mind me asking.. how much do you normally spend on a day/night w her? Like what range

Usually 500-800 when she misses work to come hang out. I used to pay her less but she was really going above and beyond for me and I had no problem giving her a little more.

I suspect you aren'r really looking for advice, my opinion is like 99% of the guys that post these kind of threads you came on here to brag, good for you.

I really have no idea what I am doing. I am fairly new to strip clubs in general and I never thought I would ever be OTC with a stripper. So I truly need all the advice I can get. I swear this is not a “flex post”.

@skibum609 yknow, when you aren’t ranting politically, you have some good knowledge to share with the younger men. 👏

Ty. It's actually something I do everyday irl.

I agree I don’t think it’s flex. For me at least… I have zero outlet of anyone IRL I can talk to about my hobby and dalliances OTC.. it’s a release valve to keep the rest of my life from blowing up.

I can’t even talk to random joes at the club where my ATF works because she doesn’t want others there knowing I’m sleeping w her cause she’s not an “extras” girl.. so I gotta let it out here with my fellow fucking degenerates, hah!

Most strippers don't plan to strip forever. Most sex workers don't plan to do sex work forever. I'm including sugar babies in sex workers.

It's pretty clear this girl doesn't have a boyfriend right now. Sooner or later attractive girls get boyfriends. It's far easier to hide dancing or even admit to it while claiming to dance clean than it is to hide sugaring.

She might get knocked up (by someone else) or move cities. She might finish school or job training and transition out of sex work. She might just get burned out on sex work. One advantage of sugaring is it slightly buffered from strictly transactional sex work; she can tell herself you're a guy she hangs out with, sometimes has sex with who helps her out financially. If she tries to transition out of stripping she may try to lean on your financially more in the short run.

She might get fat. Age comes for us all and lifestyles shift. You might not want her 30-40 pounds heavier. She might start pushing you for more money. Eventually you may reach an impasse on money.

This is hard to predict and some of these can take years to play out.

Ya. There are millions of possibilities I suppose. She hasn’t had a bf in years and while it is a possibility, I see at as the least likely scenario compared to the others due to everything I know about her. I will continue to enjoy it knowing its not gonna last forever.

This shit again, with the same girl? LOL.
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To your specific questions:
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First, it will end at the earlier of when she: (1) gets tired of dealing with you; or (2) cleans you out.
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Second, you should have already hit the eject button a long time ago. A 30 something year old guy paying a 30 something year old woman to behave like his pseudo-GF is both stupid and pathetic in too many ways to easily list. It's also the lazy way to temporarily avoid dealing with the issues that make real relationships hard for you to find. In the first thread I had expressed my hope that pumping a few in her would clear you head, but sadly that hasn't happened. This is the wrong way to deal with your loneliness issues.
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You're welcome.

@rickdugan there is also the possibility the customer gets tired of seeing the girl, or no longer wants to pay as much or at all, etc.

Also regarding the second part… are you saying guys in their 30s shouldn’t be doing P4P at all, or that nobody should be doing P4P with girls in their 30s

===> "@rickdugan there is also the possibility the customer gets tired of seeing the girl,"
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Not this guy. Read his other threads. Also read everything else he says he's doing with the girl besides fucking her - take all the time you need.