California Wildfires

I cannot find any pity or sympathy for the leftists and Hollywood self-appointed elites whose houses have burned to ash. They vote for this every election, year after year, for decades and they will continue to. Leftists and liberals are incapable of learning from their mistakes or looking at circumstances around them in a clear-eyed fashion which would allow them to critically apprise their own responsibility. Whether you're a trailer park queen with six babies from six different men who monetized your womb or a Hollywood liberal who appeared in an "[identity label] for Kamala"video, you have been voting for the democrat party mismanagement and corruption which made this disaster possible. You do not deserve any of my tax money for recovery or assistance, but Biden or Trump will be obligated to give it to you anyway. Fuck you, you deserve this.

I feel just as sorry for the rich people in Hollywood losing their homes as I do the rich people at Park City having to stand in long lift lines and wait for their Latte.

Idk, but i think we need to be better than this.

Yes, moronic progressive policies have led to water shortages in Los Angeles and aging power lines which are often the cause of these fires, along with too many other ills to easily list.

But these are still human beings we are talking about, however stupid they might be for voting in such incompetent governance. Lots of people are losing their homes and belongings and it's not just wealthy actors. Helping is just human decency in action.

Another unfortunate part of this is that many recently lost fire coverage when companies like State Farm pulled out of the state when the state insurance regulators would not let them raise rates.

It's an ongoing sad situation that pointing fingers is a bit tough to do right now and mixed with the liberals that lost homes are guys like James Woods and Adam Carolla so it's not just liberals suffering.

Down the road, this is going to look bad when it's looked into why there was no water pressure and lack of equipment and personnel to fight the fires due to budget cuts in LA.

The water in LA comes from Colorado. There has been a drought. No matter how much you want to blame progressives, liberals, whatever you want to call them, the facts do not support your desires.

These wildfires occur more and more due to climate change. It's a good thing we elected a guy who is too stupid to believe that climate change is real.

"Idk, but i think we need to be better than this." uhmm nah we don't-fuck 'em,

"Helping is just human decency in action." but helping also indicates that the past is forgiven. however, that would also be licensing those to repeat their offenses all over again.

"The water in LA comes from Colorado. There has been a drought. No matter how much you want to blame progressives, liberals, whatever you want to call them, the facts do not support your desires."

This is a typical Liberal/Dem-supporter reaction, "nothing to see, MAGA move on."

Newsom sued the Trump WH over an act to deal with water and Newsom wanted to safe smelt over helping to help improve water infrastructure for all. Over 10 years ago, water storage expansion was approved and never acted on on, and yet CA had record rainfall that poured off to the Pacific, and then LA has had a wicked drought. Plenty of cash, like $50B for high-speed rail to no where yet water was ignored and dams destroyed.

Too many Dem voters just vote party line and this is what you get, and all suffer.

People are piling on Bass for going to Ghana and not being here for the fire. The fire happened after she left. My question is why did a US MAYOR need to go and spend taxpayers money on this junket while cutting police, fire and infrastructure money and projects. What alignment does LA have with Ghana?

Here are some questions: Property turned to ashes, commercial and homeowners. Nothing left. They own the property, and yet, will need to pay property taxes on useless land, and have mortgages default and bankruptcies that will wreak their ability to get credit and rebuild elsewhere as it will take years to get permits to rebuild.

Where's FEMA?

Bernie, AOC, Liberals, Progressives, The Squats and the Dems will deflect to "Climate Change." And yet, CA will still elect and re-elect Dems.

Mayor Bass got off the plane, was asked questions, and was silent. No prepared statement from a long flight from Ghana to LA. Take about a Dem Poster Child.

Plus, CA insurance regulators capped rates and made it impossible for companies to provide fire insurance.

@mogul 1985 If you’re going to blame someone for the insurance companies not paying the insureds as they are contractually obligated to compensate, why not start with the insurance companies. That’s an idea worth considering. Before you start going but the liberals, the Democrats, consider if you can the insurance companies, are doing the same thing in Florida, not paying the insureds what they’re contractually obligated to pay, no liberals or democrats appointed to the insurance oversight committees there. Let’s just be honest and admit there’s a problem with this industry.

You’d think I wouldn’t be completely amazed at how someone will politicize everything these days. Fire hydrants all over the country were meant to only handle one or two house fires in a neighborhood. I don’t know if one municipality that has them set up to contain wildfires running smock through a neighborhood, but you do you and politicize a natural disaster. Whiff!

CA chose not to provide proper water storage when it set aside budget and then never did it. CA had record snowfall that just melted into the Pacific rather than storage. Record rain for 2 years that flowed to the Pacific rather than storage. This is part of basic infrastructure that was diverted to pet liberal/Dem projects like high speed rail: $8B spent so far, no rail, lots of planning and consultants and projections are easily north of $100B all the while they have a $20B-$40B deficit. The CA Regulators set a cap on fire insurance making it impossible to provide coverage.

A big problem in FL and coastal areas is Flood Insurance v. Hurricane/wind damage. Determining what caused the damage is a real problem, and when people don't buy cheap gov't flood insurance that does have a cap: $250K/$100K Property/Content. FL homes easily surpass $350K, and yeah that's on the property owner. Plus, people choose to live in Tornado Alley, along the Gulf of America coast, in FL, the Eastern Seaboard, and in fire problem areas. Sure, I'd like a Bentley Roadster however at +$300K it ain't happening. And yes, I could buy one for cash, I'll stick to a Subaru Outback Touring non-XT - a good choice. Yeah, that Roadster would be sweet.

The more gov't gets rooted in, the worse things get and more expensive.

^ you’re not addressing my point your avoiding it, the problem with the water is one part but my question was about letting the insurance companies off the hook despite being paid premium dollars to cover perils, they defer and delay claim payments or short pay regularly, some estimates of nonpayment of claims are as high as 50% and the adjusted amounts are regularly lowered by folks in the back offices by non licensed workers despite licensed adjusters damage reports. This is industry wide not limited to any single region yet you don’t think these companies have an obligation to provide the services they were paid for.

^ PS. Address the issue please this has nothing to do with people living above their means, this is simply a contractual obligation that is not being fulfilled.

California spent money allocated to prevent this on DEI. Luckily they have a minority lesbian in control so it's ok.

Mate27: I'm pointing out reality. Very bad choices were made and now people are dying, property turned to ashes, small business POOF gone. Sure, living in a fire zone is a chosen a risk, like living in Florida w/hurricanes. Choose to live in risky areas, mitigation is important yet in CA was ignored and worse money budgeted was cut and spent on stupid pet project shitholes.

What will now happen is all US Taxpayers will need to pony up (deficit borrow) and pay for CA's lunatic non-spending on seriously needed infrastructure to bail them out. Why? "California is too big to fail." It should be a 30-year loan that CA needs to payback. This is 100% on voters who just vote for Dem because they have a D next to their name. CA has a true Politburo, and states like Colorado where I live are on the same path and why I'm going to move in 1-2 years. Midwest to the north, SD and ND are interesting and I can easily handle the winter.

NYC had a financial crisis in the 1970s, was bailed out, yet, they paid it back. The S&L collapse in the mid-1980s was handled by the gov't RTC and all paid back. Today, we just load-up more on the Debt Bomb with zero plans to slow down spending and pay it down. Debt Ceilings are a joke as congress chats it up and just increases it a tad so it can be used as a tool to beat the Majority Party when it needs to be increased.

The Dems brag how we are pumping more oil than ever, only problem is new wells need to be drilled and it takes 3-5 years to permit and get new ones going to replace dead wells or to frack dried up wells. Meanwhile an acting-out dementia-laden Biden bans drilling on 625M acres of continental shelf plus he killed ANWR drilling; the 1970s Alaska Pipeline actually helped wildlife and residents get an annual check. Sure about $1,000 but for some that is a lot.

CA created this fire mess by not properly planning and the proverbial Democrat chickens have come home to roost. Call it political if you will, it's reality and on THEM.

The same will be with oil unless pre-planning is done. While we can use NatGas and Pebble SMRs for electricity, oil is in just about every product we use everyday and we have no alternatives. And it is used to lube windmills plus create the parts. Solar and Windmills have a place, just not with the scale we are seeing pushed.

This photo was from my house looking NW about 7 miles as the crow flies at the Black Forest Fire. We were on the pre-evac zone, and ready to leave if needed. These homes went to ashes in less than 30 minutes. The asphalt roof heats up them explodes in a massive black bloom then the structure goes fast. I was fortunate as we were not down wind and it stayed 7 miles away. Wind can carry large embers for miles that land on roofs to start the process.

@25: Gov't is just as guilty as insurance companies. In CA, insurance companies would go bankrupt with fire premium caps placed on them by State Regulators. Florida insurers don't cover Flooding which is covered by gov't homeowners need to purchase. When they don't buy flood insurance, insurance companies need to determine what is flood and wind damage. FEMA has been a HUGE mess helping people after the 2 Hurricanes a few months ago, and people are still in shelters and tents. I have a close friend who lives in Asheville who is helping.

I gave you the dilemma, so what's the solution?

@skibum609: You forgot the poor smelt.

@Puddy Tat: "I guess climate change has fried progressive brains?" And Kool-Aid, their beverage of choice. They have sunk so much into Climate Change Opportunity Costs they actually believe it. The last Ice Age retreated 13,000 years ago which is a barely a blink in geographic time; Manhattan was covered by a 1 mile thick glacier.

^ you can deflect all you like, doesn’t change a fucking thing, if insurance was not available people would not choose to live in these areas or the value of the property would dramatically decrease because they would be uninsurable. Unless you can justify the insurance companies accepting premium dollars from people choosing to buy property in these areas, our government whatever flavor it is left, right, Republican, or Democrat has an obligation to protect these people from predatory practices. Now if the powers that are in charge, were not being paid off by the insurance industry, they could declare that these areas are not safe and insurance companies would not be able to provide coverage or at least guaranteed coverage. That would never happen the dollars paid out by the insurance industry override any kind of responsibility by our governing bodies.

Climate change lol. I guess there’s nothing else to say.

Nuclear bomb goes off. Blast zone hotter than the surface of the sun. Cuck’s be like, “climate change”.

Wow! I guess we know what kind of intellect we’re dealing with when commenters are blaming this disaster on shortage of water. Dumb. This couldn’t have been prevented by that issue, because that isn’t the issue a bidding to the news. Californias reservoirs aren’t empty and there is no way you can have all hydrants going full blast and other water outlets supplying the municipal infrastructure with water when all the slickers are turned on. It’s a matter of the system being overwhelmed, not a shortage of water which some idiot s are trying to politicize this natural disaster. Just dumb.

25 is the one commenter who has things correct and in perspective. Others, not so much.

^ Insurance was available as insurers could charge the necessary premiums for coverage. CA Regulators capped premiums to the point insurers could survive. Insurers have good years (not many claims) and bad years (lots of claims), and they have to plan for it. And yah, welcome to capitalism: charge too much, people will buy from others. Do price-fixing like we are seeing the DoJ going after companies collude to keep rent prices high and expect an investigation.

Could this wild fire been prevented? Most likely not. Could it have been not as bad if proper mitigation planning was done as was budgeted, yes. Two years of record rain/snow, massive undergrowth, then a year of drought, cutting fire fighting budget with shitty political decisions and you have a tinderbox. This is on Dem voters. Santa Ana winds have been going on annually for 1,000s of years. And no infrastructure planning as humans moved into the beautiful landscape?

This is not deflection at all. If insurance lobbyists paid-off the "powers in charge" (you mean Democrats), that's a problem that needs to be investigated by those (Democrats) being paid-off. And yes, gov't needs to protect citizens from predatory practices.

Still, people make choices where to live. Live in hurricane, tornado alley and fire zones it's a choice, period. So gov't should just 100% insure them?

I can’t imagine what an insurance premium for fire insure would be for a modern day mansion on the most expensive piece of real estate in the world that has a wild fire every time the wind blows hard. $1 million per year premium ? Even that could be a risk for the insurance co. Sorry to say, they’re businesses, not charities. They’re in it to make money.

@Mate27 & 25: Cuba is calling. Or, Canada. I'll just "choose" to "suffer" here. Wow.

@Studme53: Exactly.

Shucks. I couldn’t get collision coverage on my Rolls Royce before the demolition derby.

@mogul1985 Never said anything about government should insure anything. Never implied that insurance companies shouldn’t be allowed to earn a profit. What I’m saying is government regulates most businesses especially those that there is a necessary public service obligation. They tell oil companies where they can drill, the tell car manufacturers how to build and mandate certain things about automobiles before they are allowed on public roads, insurance companies are regulated as well, their rates and their coverage must conform to existing standards. If they don’t want to pay for losses, let them sell hamburgers, not write policies which have implications way beyond what you are saying. Without insurance, banks won’t underwrite mortgages, without insurance builders cannot erect structures, roads can’t be built so you can use the structure that are built and on and on. You go to Russia or Cuba or China, your comments are the opposite of what capitalism is about. Bottom line government has an obligation and a vested interest in keeping the lights on, if they don’t allow insurance companies to insure in a perilous location they can prohibit, them from underwriting in those locations, that’s the point, if they don’t allow insurers to exist if they can’t cover losses as they occur, than they need to be not allowed to do business in those locations or at least be forced to be upfront and responsible to notify any potential rate payers that this is an unsanctioned transaction and caveat emptor applies. Government is responsible to the taxpayers not to ensure insurance companies are profitable, I have no problem with any business being profitable, but just like the pursuit of happiness, is not guaranteed neither is the profitability of any business. If you have any questions about how insurance works ask them directly, if you just want to insult me don’t bother me.

The shortage of firefighters isn’t unique to LA or California, so there goes your theory politicizing it to California governing policies. Go to the IAFF website and you’ll see how prevalent this has become nationwide , especially in red states covering rural areas. Again, spending energy politicizing this event shines a light on the enormous silly thinking on behalf of those who can’t think, only lead by emotion.

Firefighting is easy to take for granted. There are only a fraction of the structure fires today than there were, say, 40 years ago. Structures and appliances are safer, with smoke detectors, sprinkler systems, etc. Firefighters go out on fewer fire calls. City governments conclude they need fewer firemen, cut the budget, then a huge fire happens. I have a home in a Jersey shore resort town that’s pretty much empty during the winter. I’m sure the firemen don’t have much to do most the time. But if a fire hits in the winter, we need them to avoid disaster. The homes are all wood frame, close together, and it’s always windy.

Plus it’s a zoo during the Summer and the town has more tax revenue than they know what to do with, so our fire department remains well-staffed. Money well spent IMO.

I hope Jimmy Kimmel and his family are in the fire zone. These are bad people, enemies to this nation. Great to see the evil suffer for once.

Yeah this stuff is crazy. Half the Pacific Palisades basically doesn’t exist anymore, it got all the way down to highway 1.

And Biden just authorized a blank check to CA/LA for 180 days. CA is the 7th largest economy on earth, pisses away more money than we can even begin to imagine and is getting bailed out. It should have been a loan, even a 30 year loan.

Fuck every asshole here. Fuck you gam. Fuck you ski. Kind of fuck you puddy. Fuck you rattdog. Fuck you mogul.

There's plenty of water at the moment. There's no water pressure. So get it fucking right as regular people figure out what they're going to do for shelter tomorrow.

I acknowledge the delta smelt bullshit. I acknowledge that fuel in rural/park lands was not managed well.

BUT FUCK EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU FOR YOUR VITRIOL AND THOUGHTS THAT ITS "THEIR FAULT" this happened to them.

Next time I'll consider hoping you freeze to fucking death this week.

Notice the difference in attention this stuff gets. White working class in East Palestine, Ohio. Nothing. Took a biden a year to visit.

Applachian folks in Eastern TN, Western NC. Not a peep.

Altadena right across the way, going on right now, rough area. Most people haven't even heard that one.

But when all these celeb get affected we all have to drop everything and have a cry session. We're not saying F Hollywood, but just have a little for the other folks around country. I don't think we are even human to these people.

And we just have to be able to criticize bad policy because at the end of the day we all have to pay for this. These cuts in the budgets had to come to cloth, feed, house and give healthcare to millions of illegals. That shit is expensive man. I just think many folks out there think money grows on trees, does anybody ever stop to take a second to do basic math? If we all did a little more math we'd be way better off. Water budgets are the first to get cut into because they are hidden from the public. Look at Jackson, MS. Then when you need it or breaks, it's oh shit.

And people are bringing this up again but I definitely remember this clip from Rogan and always think about during wildfires. Very prophetic. youtube.com

One more thing and I'll shut the hell up but BTW I was just by there on highway 1 on Christmas eve. Timed it just right sun was setting driving from Santa Monica west through Malibu. It was incredible. Now all that's gone.

@Muddy "That shit is expensive man. I just think many folks out there think money grows on trees, does anybody ever stop to take a second to do basic math?"

Not the recipients of the "tree money" and not the Hollywood millionaires who care more about their image than a few million $ one way or the other.

Now, Biden wants to obligate the feds tonpaybfor CA until July. Biden keeps writing checks for Trump to pay, while hamstrings and obstructing his administration in a way that has never happened before in American history. It is spiteful, seditious, and utterly antithetical the "peaceful transfer of power" that the dems keep swearing to. If Trump won't prosecute the sons of bitches, I hope AG Bondi or the congressional Republicans do.

"I only hope that you can muster such emotion when this happens in a red state, as @Muddy mentioned. I don't recall you saying this about any of the hurricanes. Good riddance to this horribly partisan administration that blatantly holds half the country in contempt."

What are you talking about? I've always been a firm believer in supporting fellow Americans when hit with disasters. What I'm reading from some on this thread would be the equivalent of "fuck the gulf states, it's their own fault for building cities in known hurricane tracks....and not building your house on 10ft stilts."

"...but I'm not going to stay blind to cause and effect. Speaking of which, why do we keep building in places that Mother Nature fucks up on the regular? I hate the idea of the average American subsidizing some rich person's beachfront home. They can move, or foot the bill themselves."

Noted for record for next hurricane and tornado season.

One thing that is barely mentioned: A lot of the problems, aside from incompetent leadership, associated with this and other CA wild fires are the toxic gases, CO2 discharge, wild life & people killed, and general pollution released, and especially in this case washed into the Pacific.

The lunatic Democrats, and their voters, trying to "save the Earth" just caused more environmental damage than they've ever "saved". Then, all this debris needs to be disposed of, and the rebuilding permit processes will be insane and freaking expensive, painful and long.

I believe these disasters are only getting "worse" and "most expensive" because people keep moving into and developing areas that were previously undeveloped.

More people live coastally now than ever before in American history. We only have maybe years 150 of storm history, and you know it was not at all accurate prior to the last 50-60 years. Especially now, with the Gulf Coast and southern Atlantic states booming in population, more people than ever are being hit by hurricanes. There are more homes to lose, more claims to pay out. The problem is us, not the storms. If people would use their heads and not flatten and landscape the barrier islands or drain the coastal swamps, they would be there to beat down the storm surge into something far less damaging when it reaches the mainlands or more inland properties. Instead, the houses on the barrier island and in the drained swamps are flattened and become dangerous and polluting debris.

A similar problem exists in CA. Developing and speculation continues to grow in LA and the surrounding area. There are more houses and more expensive homes to be destroyed by the wildfires that have always plagued that part of the country. A year or two ago, California had record rain and snowfall that could have filled up the dams and reservoirs needed to provide these homes and neighborhoods with potable and emergency water. Instead, Newsom blows up dams and drains reservoirs because some Indians (feather, not dot) said the smelt needed it? There have been wildfires in these areas for as long as we have known about it. There have been intermittent droughts and flooding downpours well-documented in the natural and historical records. People should not have been building there in the first place, but if there were then the code should have included firebreaks and other mitigation; and since they did then the state should have ensured there were adequate water resources for those areas. Instead, they made sure that 70% of all new firefighters checked diversity boxes instead of having the top talent and knowledge. Again, this is only as bad as it is because people were in the way of natural disasters when they did not have to be. People need to be smarter and not destroy the natural features that can also help to protect us from natural disasters, and to avoid the places where that protection does not exist.

The truly despicable people are the looters who are taking advantage of the crisis.

The news media should identify who they are.

^ that’s why it was ok to just shoot looters on sight. I don’t think that’s still the case.

In California, the sheriffs threaten to arrest and prosecute the looters IF they are caught and IF the Soros DAs even decides to pursue.

In Florida, the sheriffs asks residents to shoot looters, and shoot survivors again.

Looters: Now that LA County has a new DA and a sheriff who will work tightly together, rounding them up and locking them up is seriously necessary. And prosecuting with as many crimes as can be piled on.

In June 2012, Colorado Springs, the Waldo Canyon fire at the time was the largest/most expensive in history: over 18,000 acres, 32,000 people evacuated, and just under 400 homes destroyed.

The fire started in Waldo Canyon, 15 miles west of Colorado Springs, and the thought was it would be contained, this was arson BTW, and only a few cabins and such were there. It jumped east to Queens Canyon (these are big ass canyons) and the thought was it would stop. It didn't. When it started to breech to Mountain Shadows (development along the Front Range that did have good fire mitigation) 32,000 people were evacuated in less than 60 minutes. First responders did have an evac plan. Mountain Shadows is a nice upscale area, at the time $500K-$800K homes. Colorado Springs fought the fire and literally that had to be an act of God, it didn't head into Colorado Springs as Mountain Shadows went right to I25.

A few looters were caught during the fire. The DA charged them and put them away for 15-20 years. He and the cops/sheriffs did not mess around. LA had best do same. LA's problem is the police ranks are thin, the fire in LA is massive, LOTS of homeless and illegals who will gladly loot since they had a pass on looting and shoplifting for 15 years. A year later in July 2013, we had a decent rain, maybe 1". The deforestation in Waldo Canyon created this mudslide down Hwy 24/Ute Pass that is the only highway from Colorado Springs into the Rocky Mountains to get to the western side of CO. youtube.com

The mudslides along PCH and in the area are going to be a serious problem once the fires are out and when rain returns, and it will.

I wouldn't be surprised if "Death Wish" vigilantes start to help out. A lot of civilians have been helping each other knowing first responders are stretched paper thin plus They lost everything so they want to help those who might have a chance to save what they have.

CA Dem Voters are have battered wife syndrome. They think if they stay a little longer, he'll stop beating them. At some point either they escape and get help, stay and just take the beatings or die. CA Voters need to hit rock bottom and realize the Dem Machine is abusing them, and the only way to make it stop is to vote in people with merit to do the leadership that is badly needed. If the LA/Palisades Fire isn't that breaking point, what will it take?

People with serious money who donate BIG to elect Dem officials who cater to them as "Money Talks" in LA lost Billions and their precious homes. Watch this trailer from, "Bullworth", it really sums up CA Democrat politician: youtube.com )

Bass stood at the airport and said NOTHING after a 17 hour flight, NOTHING. And Newsom when confronted said he couldn't talk as he was talking with Biden to brush her off and yet he couldn't make the call, he didn't even have a sat phone - what a fucking IDIOT! Like cell towers weren't destroyed and those working clogged up with calls plus first responders taking them over? And really, would Biden be the one talking?

Maybe now they'll turn on their abusers & vote in and hire the right people to do the job right regardless of R, D or DEI as part of their title.

I feel bad for Paris Hilton. I wonder if she's going to be able to find a hotel room wit her house burned down

I read that on a long term basis, California is usually in a drought and dry as a desert, for thousands of years at a time. The idea of the article was that the past few hundred years of relatively green CA are a blip. It just seems weird to us bc we showed up there during the blip.

The comment 2 above about Paris Hilton getting a hotel room made me think about all the displaced democrats. Aren't all the hotels full of the dangerous, diseased illegals that democrats like the fool ilb want in the country so much? I also hope the remnants get looted by all of the black criminals and illegals they work so hard to protect. These people are getting exactly what they deserve. Burn vaby burn.

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