I'm surprised nobody has brought this up.
The wildfires spreading along southern california right next to the ocean yet fire departments are running out of water to fight fires says much about how that state is being run.
I can dig into many things about the situation but being short on time and with too many situations to point out I'll just post this very telling article/video of cali's leadership.
LA mayor Karen Bass speechless as she refuses to respond to wildfire criticism during live interview
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news… She was in ghana on the taxpayer's dime for an event that had zero to do with LA or cali while areas around LA burned to the ground! This is what the people out there voted for. It's sad.
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last commentYes, moronic progressive policies have led to water shortages in Los Angeles and aging power lines which are often the cause of these fires, along with too many other ills to easily list.
But these are still human beings we are talking about, however stupid they might be for voting in such incompetent governance. Lots of people are losing their homes and belongings and it's not just wealthy actors. Helping is just human decency in action.
It's an ongoing sad situation that pointing fingers is a bit tough to do right now and mixed with the liberals that lost homes are guys like James Woods and Adam Carolla so it's not just liberals suffering.
Down the road, this is going to look bad when it's looked into why there was no water pressure and lack of equipment and personnel to fight the fires due to budget cuts in LA.
But hey, at least they have an LGBTQ woman fire chief, who sees lack of women on the truck as a problem! (Yeah, we all know a woman can carry a 300 pound man out a building and down the ladder as easily as a man, right?)
As we're seeing above, progressives are never to blame, even in the bluest state in the country.
Hey @dustyj, where's our $10,000 bet that porn and strip clubs are going to be made illegal during Trump's presidency!? Whenever I mention that, you get ghost. Lulz.
uhmm nah we don't-fuck 'em,
"Helping is just human decency in action."
but helping also indicates that the past is forgiven. however, that would also be licensing those to repeat their offenses all over again.
This is a typical Liberal/Dem-supporter reaction, "nothing to see, MAGA move on."
Newsom sued the Trump WH over an act to deal with water and Newsom wanted to safe smelt over helping to help improve water infrastructure for all. Over 10 years ago, water storage expansion was approved and never acted on on, and yet CA had record rainfall that poured off to the Pacific, and then LA has had a wicked drought. Plenty of cash, like $50B for high-speed rail to no where yet water was ignored and dams destroyed.
Too many Dem voters just vote party line and this is what you get, and all suffer.
People are piling on Bass for going to Ghana and not being here for the fire. The fire happened after she left. My question is why did a US MAYOR need to go and spend taxpayers money on this junket while cutting police, fire and infrastructure money and projects. What alignment does LA have with Ghana?
Where's FEMA?
Bernie, AOC, Liberals, Progressives, The Squats and the Dems will deflect to "Climate Change." And yet, CA will still elect and re-elect Dems.
Mayor Bass got off the plane, was asked questions, and was silent. No prepared statement from a long flight from Ghana to LA. Take about a Dem Poster Child.
If you’re going to blame someone for the insurance companies not paying the insureds as they are contractually obligated to compensate, why not start with the insurance companies. That’s an idea worth considering.
Before you start going but the liberals, the Democrats, consider if you can the insurance companies, are doing the same thing in Florida, not paying the insureds what they’re contractually obligated to pay, no liberals or democrats appointed to the insurance oversight committees there.
Let’s just be honest and admit there’s a problem with this industry.
A big problem in FL and coastal areas is Flood Insurance v. Hurricane/wind damage. Determining what caused the damage is a real problem, and when people don't buy cheap gov't flood insurance that does have a cap: $250K/$100K Property/Content. FL homes easily surpass $350K, and yeah that's on the property owner. Plus, people choose to live in Tornado Alley, along the Gulf of America coast, in FL, the Eastern Seaboard, and in fire problem areas. Sure, I'd like a Bentley Roadster however at +$300K it ain't happening. And yes, I could buy one for cash, I'll stick to a Subaru Outback Touring non-XT - a good choice. Yeah, that Roadster would be sweet.
The more gov't gets rooted in, the worse things get and more expensive.
What will now happen is all US Taxpayers will need to pony up (deficit borrow) and pay for CA's lunatic non-spending on seriously needed infrastructure to bail them out. Why? "California is too big to fail." It should be a 30-year loan that CA needs to payback. This is 100% on voters who just vote for Dem because they have a D next to their name. CA has a true Politburo, and states like Colorado where I live are on the same path and why I'm going to move in 1-2 years. Midwest to the north, SD and ND are interesting and I can easily handle the winter.
NYC had a financial crisis in the 1970s, was bailed out, yet, they paid it back. The S&L collapse in the mid-1980s was handled by the gov't RTC and all paid back. Today, we just load-up more on the Debt Bomb with zero plans to slow down spending and pay it down. Debt Ceilings are a joke as congress chats it up and just increases it a tad so it can be used as a tool to beat the Majority Party when it needs to be increased.
The Dems brag how we are pumping more oil than ever, only problem is new wells need to be drilled and it takes 3-5 years to permit and get new ones going to replace dead wells or to frack dried up wells. Meanwhile an acting-out dementia-laden Biden bans drilling on 625M acres of continental shelf plus he killed ANWR drilling; the 1970s Alaska Pipeline actually helped wildlife and residents get an annual check. Sure about $1,000 but for some that is a lot.
CA created this fire mess by not properly planning and the proverbial Democrat chickens have come home to roost. Call it political if you will, it's reality and on THEM.
The same will be with oil unless pre-planning is done. While we can use NatGas and Pebble SMRs for electricity, oil is in just about every product we use everyday and we have no alternatives. And it is used to lube windmills plus create the parts. Solar and Windmills have a place, just not with the scale we are seeing pushed.
This photo was from my house looking NW about 7 miles as the crow flies at the Black Forest Fire. We were on the pre-evac zone, and ready to leave if needed. These homes went to ashes in less than 30 minutes. The asphalt roof heats up them explodes in a massive black bloom then the structure goes fast. I was fortunate as we were not down wind and it stayed 7 miles away. Wind can carry large embers for miles that land on roofs to start the process.
I gave you the dilemma, so what's the solution?
It's always climate change, systemic racism, or income inequality. Forget that the greens have been saying it'll destroy us for the last 60 years and they've been wrong every time.
I guess climate change has fried progressive brains?
Now if the powers that are in charge, were not being paid off by the insurance industry, they could declare that these areas are not safe and insurance companies would not be able to provide coverage or at least guaranteed coverage.
That would never happen the dollars paid out by the insurance industry override any kind of responsibility by our governing bodies.
That might not be the worst thing in the world.
Build where Mother Nature isn't actively, repeatedly trying to kill you, or foot your own bill for it.
Nuclear bomb goes off. Blast zone hotter than the surface of the sun. Cuck’s be like, “climate change”.
Could this wild fire been prevented? Most likely not. Could it have been not as bad if proper mitigation planning was done as was budgeted, yes. Two years of record rain/snow, massive undergrowth, then a year of drought, cutting fire fighting budget with shitty political decisions and you have a tinderbox. This is on Dem voters. Santa Ana winds have been going on annually for 1,000s of years. And no infrastructure planning as humans moved into the beautiful landscape?
This is not deflection at all. If insurance lobbyists paid-off the "powers in charge" (you mean Democrats), that's a problem that needs to be investigated by those (Democrats) being paid-off. And yes, gov't needs to protect citizens from predatory practices.
Still, people make choices where to live. Live in hurricane, tornado alley and fire zones it's a choice, period. So gov't should just 100% insure them?
$1 million per year premium ? Even that could be a risk for the insurance co. Sorry to say, they’re businesses, not charities. They’re in it to make money.
Never said anything about government should insure anything. Never implied that insurance companies shouldn’t be allowed to earn a profit. What I’m saying is government regulates most businesses especially those that there is a necessary public service obligation. They tell oil companies where they can drill, the tell car manufacturers how to build and mandate certain things about automobiles before they are allowed on public roads, insurance companies are regulated as well, their rates and their coverage must conform to existing standards. If they don’t want to pay for losses, let them sell hamburgers, not write policies which have implications way beyond what you are saying. Without insurance, banks won’t underwrite mortgages, without insurance builders cannot erect structures, roads can’t be built so you can use the structure that are built and on and on. You go to Russia or Cuba or China, your comments are the opposite of what capitalism is about.
Bottom line government has an obligation and a vested interest in keeping the lights on, if they don’t allow insurance companies to insure in a perilous location they can prohibit, them from underwriting in those locations, that’s the point, if they don’t allow insurers to exist if they can’t cover losses as they occur, than they need to be not allowed to do business in those locations or at least be forced to be upfront and responsible to notify any potential rate payers that this is an unsanctioned transaction and caveat emptor applies.
Government is responsible to the taxpayers not to ensure insurance companies are profitable, I have no problem with any business being profitable, but just like the pursuit of happiness, is not guaranteed neither is the profitability of any business.
If you have any questions about how insurance works ask them directly, if you just want to insult me don’t bother me.
I have a home in a Jersey shore resort town that’s pretty much empty during the winter. I’m sure the firemen don’t have much to do most the time. But if a fire hits in the winter, we need them to avoid disaster. The homes are all wood frame, close together, and it’s always windy.
Plus it’s a zoo during the Summer and the town has more tax revenue than they know what to do with, so our fire department remains well-staffed. Money well spent IMO.
There's plenty of water at the moment. There's no water pressure. So get it fucking right as regular people figure out what they're going to do for shelter tomorrow.
I acknowledge the delta smelt bullshit. I acknowledge that fuel in rural/park lands was not managed well.
BUT FUCK EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU FOR YOUR VITRIOL AND THOUGHTS THAT ITS "THEIR FAULT" this happened to them.
Next time I'll consider hoping you freeze to fucking death this week.
Applachian folks in Eastern TN, Western NC. Not a peep.
Altadena right across the way, going on right now, rough area. Most people haven't even heard that one.
But when all these celeb get affected we all have to drop everything and have a cry session. We're not saying F Hollywood, but just have a little for the other folks around country. I don't think we are even human to these people.
Then you can acknowledge who enacted these policies, and that re-electing them might not be such a hot idea. I merely pointed out the consequences.
I only hope that you can muster such emotion when this happens in a red state, as @Muddy mentioned. I don't recall you saying this about any of the hurricanes. Good riddance to this horribly partisan administration that blatantly holds half the country in contempt.
As clearly stated elsewhere, I don't want anyone, not even effete Hollywood Democrats, to lose their homes. I have a friend who's gotta keep glued to the weather/news, and a friend of a friend who watched their own house burn.
...but I'm not going to stay blind to cause and effect. Speaking of which, why do we keep building in places that Mother Nature fucks up on the regular? I hate the idea of the average American subsidizing some rich person's beachfront home. They can move, or foot the bill themselves.
"That shit is expensive man. I just think many folks out there think money grows on trees, does anybody ever stop to take a second to do basic math?"
Not the recipients of the "tree money" and not the Hollywood millionaires who care more about their image than a few million $ one way or the other.
Biden keeps writing checks for Trump to pay, while hamstrings and obstructing his administration in a way that has never happened before in American history. It is spiteful, seditious, and utterly antithetical the "peaceful transfer of power" that the dems keep swearing to. If Trump won't prosecute the sons of bitches, I hope AG Bondi or the congressional Republicans do.
What are you talking about? I've always been a firm believer in supporting fellow Americans when hit with disasters. What I'm reading from some on this thread would be the equivalent of "fuck the gulf states, it's their own fault for building cities in known hurricane tracks....and not building your house on 10ft stilts."
"...but I'm not going to stay blind to cause and effect. Speaking of which, why do we keep building in places that Mother Nature fucks up on the regular? I hate the idea of the average American subsidizing some rich person's beachfront home. They can move, or foot the bill themselves."
Noted for record for next hurricane and tornado season.
The lunatic Democrats, and their voters, trying to "save the Earth" just caused more environmental damage than they've ever "saved". Then, all this debris needs to be disposed of, and the rebuilding permit processes will be insane and freaking expensive, painful and long.
I don't recall such a level of emotion about it. Just like you had a good rage out about Jimmy Carter's funeral and the dumb ass song that was played.
"Noted for record for next hurricane and tornado season."
Good, because I intended that too. Nowhere is completely safe, but you and your insurance company (not the American public) should pay for that.
More people live coastally now than ever before in American history. We only have maybe years 150 of storm history, and you know it was not at all accurate prior to the last 50-60 years. Especially now, with the Gulf Coast and southern Atlantic states booming in population, more people than ever are being hit by hurricanes. There are more homes to lose, more claims to pay out. The problem is us, not the storms. If people would use their heads and not flatten and landscape the barrier islands or drain the coastal swamps, they would be there to beat down the storm surge into something far less damaging when it reaches the mainlands or more inland properties. Instead, the houses on the barrier island and in the drained swamps are flattened and become dangerous and polluting debris.
A similar problem exists in CA. Developing and speculation continues to grow in LA and the surrounding area. There are more houses and more expensive homes to be destroyed by the wildfires that have always plagued that part of the country. A year or two ago, California had record rain and snowfall that could have filled up the dams and reservoirs needed to provide these homes and neighborhoods with potable and emergency water. Instead, Newsom blows up dams and drains reservoirs because some Indians (feather, not dot) said the smelt needed it? There have been wildfires in these areas for as long as we have known about it. There have been intermittent droughts and flooding downpours well-documented in the natural and historical records. People should not have been building there in the first place, but if there were then the code should have included firebreaks and other mitigation; and since they did then the state should have ensured there were adequate water resources for those areas. Instead, they made sure that 70% of all new firefighters checked diversity boxes instead of having the top talent and knowledge. Again, this is only as bad as it is because people were in the way of natural disasters when they did not have to be. People need to be smarter and not destroy the natural features that can also help to protect us from natural disasters, and to avoid the places where that protection does not exist.
The news media should identify who they are.
In Florida, the sheriffs asks residents to shoot looters, and shoot survivors again.
In June 2012, Colorado Springs, the Waldo Canyon fire at the time was the largest/most expensive in history: over 18,000 acres, 32,000 people evacuated, and just under 400 homes destroyed.
The fire started in Waldo Canyon, 15 miles west of Colorado Springs, and the thought was it would be contained, this was arson BTW, and only a few cabins and such were there. It jumped east to Queens Canyon (these are big ass canyons) and the thought was it would stop. It didn't. When it started to breech to Mountain Shadows (development along the Front Range that did have good fire mitigation) 32,000 people were evacuated in less than 60 minutes. First responders did have an evac plan. Mountain Shadows is a nice upscale area, at the time $500K-$800K homes. Colorado Springs fought the fire and literally that had to be an act of God, it didn't head into Colorado Springs as Mountain Shadows went right to I25.
A few looters were caught during the fire. The DA charged them and put them away for 15-20 years. He and the cops/sheriffs did not mess around. LA had best do same. LA's problem is the police ranks are thin, the fire in LA is massive, LOTS of homeless and illegals who will gladly loot since they had a pass on looting and shoplifting for 15 years.
A year later in July 2013, we had a decent rain, maybe 1". The deforestation in Waldo Canyon created this mudslide down Hwy 24/Ute Pass that is the only highway from Colorado Springs into the Rocky Mountains to get to the western side of CO. https://www.youtube.com/watch?…
The mudslides along PCH and in the area are going to be a serious problem once the fires are out and when rain returns, and it will.
I wouldn't be surprised if "Death Wish" vigilantes start to help out. A lot of civilians have been helping each other knowing first responders are stretched paper thin plus They lost everything so they want to help those who might have a chance to save what they have.
CA Dem Voters are have battered wife syndrome. They think if they stay a little longer, he'll stop beating them. At some point either they escape and get help, stay and just take the beatings or die. CA Voters need to hit rock bottom and realize the Dem Machine is abusing them, and the only way to make it stop is to vote in people with merit to do the leadership that is badly needed. If the LA/Palisades Fire isn't that breaking point, what will it take?
People with serious money who donate BIG to elect Dem officials who cater to them as "Money Talks" in LA lost Billions and their precious homes. Watch this trailer from, "Bullworth", it really sums up CA Democrat politician: https://www.youtube.com/watch?… )
Bass stood at the airport and said NOTHING after a 17 hour flight, NOTHING. And Newsom when confronted said he couldn't talk as he was talking with Biden to brush her off and yet he couldn't make the call, he didn't even have a sat phone - what a fucking IDIOT! Like cell towers weren't destroyed and those working clogged up with calls plus first responders taking them over? And really, would Biden be the one talking?
Maybe now they'll turn on their abusers & vote in and hire the right people to do the job right regardless of R, D or DEI as part of their title.
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