UHC CEO shooting
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not the real drew carey, but I play him at strip clubs...
I was just munching on some avocado toast before I head off to the protest with my one eyed 3 legged non binary rescue dog (pronouns ruff and woof) and was wondering what the sage political commentators of TUSCL think about this CEO getting shot.
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These insurance companies are greedy, mendacious pricks, but assassination is horrible. Might end up generating sympathy.
#freeluigi
I'm not surprised. He may have been planning on having a great time at a local strip club and wanted to be prepared.
The health insurance industry is very low on consumer sentiment scales however the depth of negative commentary following this unfortunate incident will be humbling to leaders in the health insurance industry who perceive things to be significantly better than lows in the 90s when HMO angst peaked.
Hypothetical: you come to the titty bar and see that current fav/ATF. She’s chatting with this guy. What’s your next move? What is that dancer’s likely next move?
It's pretty easy to connect the dots that he was indoctrinated by liberal professors at his Ivy League college and high school. It has always been bizarre to me that very rich people fail to educate their children on the source of their privilege being hard work, perseverance, and financial discipline. Hawaii is a well-known hotbed of anti-capitalist, anti-colonialism, and simmering anti-American sentiment. Mahalo and aloha do not exist for most mainlanders.
UHC is terrible, and a prime example of where necessary services like health insurance go wrong while prioritizing profits over people (customers/patients and employees). I sympathize with his anger and disgust. Interacting with payers like UHC to get approval for life-saving medications, necessary compensation increases to the practice, contracts for different networks is the part of my job which I hate most. I could save over $200,000 annually in payroll if private insurance was as cut and dried as Medicare. I do not support or want Medicare-for-all, but there have been times when I almost wished for it just to punish the private payer companies. But, that would be cutting off my nose to spite my face. Regardless, orphaning children and widowing a wife has done nothing to solve the problem. The CEO was only reacting to market forces and shareholder expectations, and would have been replaced by the board of directors if he had not approved the initiatives which improved profits and worsened service. Whether or not private insurance can or even should be saved is a separate conversation for the politics forum.
This lion thinks GammaApe is the kind of guy that writes “I hope she gets pregnant” in the comments section of anal sex videos on porno sites.
ROAR!!!
When I used to take my grandpa to the Dr. I remember them throwing people out through a back entrance if insurance declined.... This was an oncologist. A guy having a heart attack in the office and the dr not even attempting cpr til the guys daughter made a copay.
We have a sickness industry not a health care system
I would think he was making a statement about insurance.
The same people supporting the cum stain known as Luigi for killing an insurance executive Father with children, would wet themselves if he drove around the country killing illegals. Fucking hate progressives.
Luigi Mangione = soulless killer
Daniel Penny = American hero
Donald J. Trump = President of the United States
None of this ever fucking happened.
Gammanu Penny is a cold blooded killer. Mangione did a public service . But of course you support the murder of homeless black people. Muddy jerked off to penny
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No, stop lying. Any healthcare facility is OBLIGED to treat any patient who comes in labor or has an active emergency.
He wouldn't have even been charged by anyone who wasn't one of the Soros prosecutors who criminalize self-defense and refuse to try thugs and rioters. He needs to sue the fuck out of anyone involved in this travesty.
The shooter was a foul coward. Nobody deserves to be executed by a vigilante.
Agree on #2. I'm tired of people rationalizing the shooter's behavior with "well, but the healthcare system sucks." Yes, it does, that doesn't change the fact that murder is a horrible tool of change. What if someone were to snipe Bernie Sanders or some other Medicare for All advocate? Is that fair play now?
I also think the prosecution was wrong but that’s for another day, fortunately he was acquitted
Most reasonable people would agree that risking your health and welfare to stop a criminal from attacking innocents show great courage, and meets the definition of a hero.
What has greed got to do with it? UHC's practices are not driven by greed, it is driven by investors' expectations that UHC provide maximum return on their financial investment. If they failed to provide that return, investors would turn elsewhere and UHC would risk collapse - leaving millions of Americans uninsured. Don't get stuck on stupid.
The problem is that some business should not be profit or revenue driven nor publicly traded. Maybe insurance companies should be not-for-profit. However, then these companies would not have the cash reserves or resources necessary for major disasters or growth initiatives. There is no easy answer, but killing people for being richer or more successful than you is plain stupid.
Competition needs to be increased so they're forced to compete for every customer. Insurance across state lines. No more employer insurance tax break.
Antitrust needs to be enforced against vertical integration of insurers, PBMs, medical practices, and pharmacies, otherwise these companies use accounting to give money to themselves at inflated rates.
Let them compete and watch quality go up and prices go down. God bless capitalism.
Making health insurance a utility, like power and water, wouldn't be a horrible idea. They could still turn a profit.
Whatever puts the army of administrators, lawyers, and accountants out of business, immediately improves the situation.
Murder is wrong. People do wrong shit when they’re pissed off and feel cornered. No amount of security can protect you from a plurality of angry people, esp if everyone has a gun.
Insurers can either wise up and piss off lees people, or continue to suffer the consequences of their actions. And it gets a lot worse.
Ever been to Peru? Office buildings from the 80s came complete with razor wire, reinforced guard vestibules, sniper towers, and guards with machine guns. That’s how pissed off people were, and ceos still got kidnapped and killed all the time.
ugh. look, y'all. to me it's obvious: dude put all of his planning on the murder. and you have to put all focus on the murder just to get it right. that he forgot to have a solid escape plan. but really, you're doing a killing like that, to a CEO, you must make all your murder plans work. the escape plan is sooo secondary. and somehow a waste to make an escape plan in a way because one thing goes wrong in the escape plan, everything goes wrong.
maybe he goofed with his original plan and that's why his escape plan was awful? like, they say he had monopoly money on him. they say maybe the plan was to throw monopoly money on the CEO or something after shooting him. but he forgot to. so maybe he had plans for his other props like monopoly money and that's why he didn't flee the country or toss the gun, etc.
and can't y'all see? dude had been in NYC for like several days. don't y'all realize, this cat ain't home. he has to take everything with him in a back pack. he's temporarily of no fixed address. i'm not surprised he still had his gun and manifesto on him, etc. he's nomadic. he's moving around a lot. he doesn't have a permanent base. of course he has to carry everything with him wherever he goes, that includes the gun, the manifesto, crime evidence.
he was caught at mcdonald's during breakfast. mcdonald's may have been the only thing open in that area. or the only thing he could afford at the moment. remember: he's of no immediate nearby fixed address. we don't know if he hasn't slept, hasn't eaten, because he has no home in NYC or Pennsylvania.
and I can see the folks at mcdonald's ratting him out. because it depends on which area you're in. sounds like he was in a blue-collar area. them blue collar folks don't take too kindly to folks with covid masks on. and he's on a laptop that early in the morning at mcdonald's sticking out like a sore thumb. if he needs a laptop, why isn't he in some office, somewhere, those local residents are asking themselves. this is a blue-collar town, who comes in with their laptop at breakfast and a Covid mask? it was pretty simple to figure out this guy could be the killer on TV.
and this dude is only 26 years old. if he were 35, he wouldn't have been making half the mistakes we saw.
did you know just before the McDonald's he went to a local hotel or motel for lodging. but was turned down. guy said come back at 1pm, they're cleaning the rooms. It was the 9am hour. dude was like, how should i kill time it's 9am. so he went to the mcdonald's and turned on his laptop trying to kill time to get to 1pm.
remember: dude don't have a car with him. all he has is his backpack for some change of clothes, maybe. again, he's been on the run for days. i'm sure he was low on supplies, etc. needed a shower, needed a meal, needed rest. he's on foot. the hotel told him come back at 1pm for a room. he had no other choice, it' was 9am-ish.
Insurers are not true middlemen in the healthcare process. They do provide some useful function in ensuring that physicians and surgeons are made to suggest less expensive and less invasive options prior to the most profitable or newest options., and negotiate with providers to make sure that prices are lower than they would be otherwise.
The entire concept of insurance is based on large groups of people sharing risks and costs to achieve an overall lower price per person. Without the government insuring people, employers are the next largest group. Human resources professionals do negotiate with insurance companies to find the best options they can at the most reasonable cost. If employees do not like the insurance they can communicate that to the HR department and demand change. I saw that with local governments who switched from BCBS to UHC and switched right back the next fiscal year because the UHC plan was cheaper for the government but so much more expensive and restrictive for the employees. Employees who do not like the employers plan can go to the exchange or ever switch employers. The point is that they have options.
The vertical integration of health insurance companies is monopolistic and never should have been allowed to happen. UHC is seeking complete control of the insureds healthcare, they seek to own and operate pharmacies, physicians, hospitals, infusion services, medical device manufacturers and everything else through their Optum brand. They restrict care options to within the Optum brand as much as possible and jack up costs outside the Optum brand as much as they can. CVS owns Aetna and does much of the same. This is wrong. This all ties back to my earlier argument that balancing low costs v assets-via-profits is a Gordian knot.