You guys are not looking at last night's debate through a clear lens. These excerpts will help you understand better.
"Tonight's debate was a clear contrast between Donald Trump, who advanced policies that will address America's biggest concerns, and Kamala Harris, who had nothing but cliched talking points," Alfredo Ortiz, Job Creators Network President, said in a statement.
"Kamala ducked and dodged from her failed liberal record, flip-flopping on countless important issues. Kamala can run from her record but can't hide from its results. She showed herself as a policy phony who will do whatever it takes to get elected and gain power. She was clearly out of her league. By contrast, Trump showed himself to be a true leader, clearly explaining the policies needed to reinvigorate Main Street and the economy. In short, he was presidential, she was not."
"My debate score: trump - 3 moderators - 9 harris - N/A," Fox News host Greg Gutfeld posted on X.
"ABC should be ASHAMED of themselves," former Trump press secretary and Fox News host Kayleigh McEnany posted on X. "1. Where was the question for Kamala about casting the tie breaking vote for inflation (American Rescue Plan etc.)? 2. Where was the question for Kamala about wanting taxpayer-funded gender transition surgeries for illegal immigrants? 3. Where was the question about Tim Walz allowing babies born alive after abortion to die in Minnesota and then removing reporting requirements NONE - they only prepped TRUMP FACT CHECKS!"
"They are not moderators they are agitators," political commentator Mehek Cooke posted on X.
"My debate analysis won't make anyone happy," conservative commentator Matt Walsh posted on X. "I think Kamala was weak and nervous, especially early. She came off as phony and rehearsed the rest of the way. But Trump missed a lot of opportunities to land a blow, rambled too much, and took the bait repeatedly throughout. I don't think this debate moves the needle much for either candidate."
"Tonight’s debate wasn’t Harris versus Trump, it was Old Kamala versus New Kamala. Despite an attempt to rewrite history on her support for the most fringe radical policies on everything from the border and immigration, fracking and energy, Bidenomics, and our fundamental government principles, it’s clear she still refuses to be honest with the country about where she stands," Sentinel Action Fund President Jessica Anderson said in a statement.
"My debate score: trump - 3 moderators - 9 harris - N/A," Fox News host Greg Gutfeld posted on X.
"ABC should be ASHAMED of themselves," former Trump press secretary and Fox News host Kayleigh McEnany posted on X. "1. Where was the question for Kamala about casting the tie breaking vote for inflation (American Rescue Plan etc.)? 2. Where was the question for Kamala about wanting taxpayer-funded gender transition surgeries for illegal immigrants? 3. Where was the question about Tim Walz allowing babies born alive after abortion to die in Minnesota and then removing reporting requirements NONE - they only prepped TRUMP FACT CHECKS!"
"They are not moderators they are agitators," political commentator Mehek Cooke posted on X.
"My debate analysis won't make anyone happy," conservative commentator Matt Walsh posted on X. "I think Kamala was weak and nervous, especially early. She came off as phony and rehearsed the rest of the way. But Trump missed a lot of opportunities to land a blow, rambled too much, and took the bait repeatedly throughout. I don't think this debate moves the needle much for either candidate."
"Tonight’s debate wasn’t Harris versus Trump, it was Old Kamala versus New Kamala. Despite an attempt to rewrite history on her support for the most fringe radical policies on everything from the border and immigration, fracking and energy, Bidenomics, and our fundamental government principles, it’s clear she still refuses to be honest with the country about where she stands," Sentinel Action Fund President Jessica Anderson said in a statement.
"Trump did not win the debate but I think he won the election with an assist to ABC because it was so in the tank for Harris that it was repulsive," conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt posted on X. "Voters did see Harris dodge every question that was even slightly difficult and tried to erase her record and Biden’s. Voters expected accountability on the economy, inflation and border but got an ABC buffet of lefty agenda journalism that will not cover for the failures of the past three and a half years. Democrats think they won the debate and the election. It is 2016 all over again."
Others on social media expressed the belief that Harris won the debate.
"Biden gave one of the worst debate performances in history," journalist John Ralston posted on X. "Trump: Hold my beer."
"Trump's self-image...his political calling card is strength," former Obama senior adviser David Axelrod posted on X. "He was on defense that entire first hour. KamalaHarris pushed all his hot buttons, and he unraveled."
"Look," journalist Chris Cillizza posted on X. "Kamala Harris won the debate. Pretty easily."
In a statement, the Harris campaign wrote that Trump was "incoherent" and "angry" in the debate.
"Tonight, Vice President Harris commanded the stage on every single issue that matters to the American people," the campaign said. "Americans saw exactly what kind of President Kamala Harris will be: one who offers a New Way Forward for the country, who will be a president for all Americans, and who will turn the page once and for all on the darkness and division of Donald Trump. And she reminded the American people that she is the only candidate in this race ready to serve as our next Commander-in-Chief."
The Trump campaign declared victory in their debate statement.
"President Trump delivered a masterful debate performance tonight, prosecuting Kamala Harris’ abysmal record of failure that has hurt Americans for the last 4 years," the campaign said.
"We saw President Trump lay out his bold vision of America and how he would continue to build upon the successes of his first term by supercharging the economy, securing the border, and stopping crime from ravaging communities across the country. Conversely, Kamala’s vision of America was a dark reminder of the oppressive, big government policies of Joe Biden that she wants to continue. High inflation, a porous border that allows criminals and terrorists to flood across, and being soft on crime— that is what Kamala represents."
What we read above and what we saw last night is very simply Kamala Harris lying without being fact-checked by blatantly biased and supportive moderators, and Trump laying out a clear vision of what he wants to do and what Kamala will do while being misquoted, lied about, and sabotaged to by two blatantly biased prosecutors. No one could have done as well in such a hostile environment as Trump did, except perhaps Ronald Reagan.
The democrat party and their liberal media allies learned well from the first debate against Biden: when mic's are muted simply let Kamala's lies go unchecked and deny Trump the mic to respond to lies told in collusion with the moderators.
Kamala wanted unmuted mics, opening statements, chairs and desks, open notes, audience members, and more. The Trump campaign wanted to stay with the previously agreed upon format. What's your point?
I may get a lot of heat about this but here’s how I felt last night.
So many people are voting for Kamala because of at least one of these reasons: 1. She’s a woman 2. She’s a person of color 3. She’s not Donald Trump. They completely ignore every other issue she stands for or her record as VP for the last four years and do not take any considerations to how the country will be ran for the next four years.
Meanwhile I technically live in “rural” America and there’s migrants all over the place even where I live, my nieces and nephews have graduated college and have good starting jobs but can’t afford to buy a house like previous generations could easily do, several businesses in my community are closing and unemployment is slowing ticking upward.
I felt like it appeared that Trump didn’t prepare for this debate, probably thought he was going to crush her just like Hillary Clinton thought she was going to crush Trump in their debate in 2016. ABC was lobbing softballs all night and Kamala kept crushing them while Trump kept missing them.
Definitely was slanted for Harris. They had it in the bag for her. I didn't expect that kind open bias from a guy like David Muir, I know at point he really cared about his rep as newsman but he's been bought and sold. If I was the RNC, never give it to ABC again. That was CRAZY bias. It all part of the plan though. They've hid Kamala Harris for months now, let come out for one interview with Tim Walz holding her hand. Did we really expect the Democratic party to let her go out and do this debate alone? Of course not.
Unsurprisingly, this morning Trump supporters think Trump won the debate and Harris supporters think Harris won. This is what I saw last night:
Harris: She came out visibly nervous, but settled in quickly. She's going to take my money and give it to college students that picked crappy majors. She's going to take my money and give it to people for having a baby. She's going to take my money and give it to apartment dwellers to buy their first home. She's gonna take my money and give it to small business startups (probably disproportionately to diversity candidates). She's trying to piggyback Obama's hope and change, but lacks the charisma to do so.
Trump: He came out bitter and angry and it escalated from there. He is easily baited and cannot avoid his base instincts, even after extensive coaching. He can't stop whining about the past. Millions of Hispanic immigrants have crossed the border to kill our men, rape our women, and eat our dogs. The country is doomed, the world is doomed, and he, and only he, is able to fix it. (But, as usual, without even a suggestion of what that fix might be.) He's going to double down on tariffs and pretend those cost will not be passed on to the consumer becoming inflationary, but hey Mexico pay for the wall didn't they? He did not bring a handkerchief to the debate or was somehow unaware that his nose was running. (Adderall bump?)
So in my opinion nobody won the debate. I walked away still feeling like neither of the candidates deserve to be POTUS.
"Don’t forget reason #4 and probably the biggest reason why people are voting for Harris, “ABORTION”". The only thing dumber than that statement are the people whom that statement actually described.
I would combine Shailynn's first and second statements, then add the third reason of "blue no matter who". These are the straight ticket low- information democrat voters that don't get into the news, don't learn about the issues, like college students and urban guilty white liberals.
The fact remains that we can judge each candidate on four years of actual performance in the role they are campaigning for. If you objectively look at the facts and data, discard identity politics and partisan issues, Donald Trump has clearly outperformed Kamala in every single metric. He clearly is the best remedy to all of the problems Kamala created in the past four years. Why the hell would anyone give her four more
Ask yourself, why doesn't Trump, instead of cutting tax rates, raise the limit for each tax bracket? That would target tax relief to the middle class.
I don't like it that they both want to Santa Claus, when we have a huge structural fiscal deficit. But at least Harris wants to be Santa Claus to be people who are worse off than average, not people who are better off than average.
I thought of a line Trump could have used on David Muir - Hey David, if you’re gone keep testifying on her behalf, you should just go stand next to her at the podium! The moderators were incredibly biased.
But does this debate really matter? Trump was Trump and Kamala was Kamala. Is there any Trump supporter today saying “Kamala made a lot of sense in the debate- maybe I should vote for her”? Or vice versa?
I didn't watch the debate and every commentator defended their side, but I notice betting odds turned a few points towards Harris, so I guess she "won."
Still I don't think these things matter too much unless someone completely goes to shit.
Are media outlets biased against Maduro, when they say the elections in Venezuela lacked transparency? It is not bias to point out the lack of evidence for claims.
Maybe they should have a debate with them in separate rooms, with no moderators. Switch back and forth, every 3 minutes. No questions, they don't give direct answers anyway. No point in having moderators, if it's bias for them to actually moderate.
Would be interesting if founder posted the percentage of members who have never posted in the politics discussions. There's a fair number of people who do vote, but they don't see any point in thinking much about politics except right before an election. Those are the people whose votes are most likely to be influenced by debates. Those are the people who are probably more likely to be happy.
I too was disappointed the way Trump took bait, and his rebuttals were not focused. His debate with Clinton and Biden were excellent. This one was WTH happened! This wasn't a rally and why was he arguing with Muir and not Harris.
While this was not good for Trump, I still look at what was my life like for 4 years of Trump and 4 years of Biden.
2020: COVID-19 a once in 100 year pandemic. When Trump shutdown travel from China, he was called a racist and xenophobe. The country started to recover in the Fall of 2020, Harris said she wouldn't take the "Trump Vaccine", net the mRNA vaxcine was made available 5-days afetr the election. Harris/Biden forced people in 2021 to take the jab or lose your job, plus schools were shutdown.
Employment:/Jobs: Biden had more deaths in 2021 than Trump had in 2020. yet, the economy Biden got, and "saved" with 20% inflation was a success. Jobs have been recovery jobs. Employment at the end of 2019 was ~154M, today ~159M. Plus, the emploment numbers for the past year were deduced by 818,000 - opp, our bad. BLS data: https://unemploymentdata.com/wp-content/… BLS shows native-born Americans lost more than 1.3 million jobs over the last 12 months, while foreign-born workers gained more than 1.2 million jobs. https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/jobs… Why? Lower cost. I used Fox Business News as the MSM just ignored this. These hires were recovery, not new jobs, and way many are part-time with people doing more than one so companies can avoid gov't mandated benefits from ObamaCare - many jobs at least in tech are W2 Contract, not F/T. Also, the gov't hired a very high percentage that Taxpayers' need to cover. The 16M new jobs that Harris/Biden boast about are really all that.
AFG Bugout: Biden used Taliban for "security" at a 1 tarmac airport; ignored using Bagram and tore up the Plan Trump had worked out that had specifics conditions. ABC News just moved on.
Abortion: states that have laws for unconditional late term - CO, AK, VT, NH, NM, NJ. ABC News just blew this off.
Senate Immigration Bill: Why didn't VP Harris, as President of the US Senate, why didn't you press for Senate Majority Leader Charles Schumer to bring forward for debate and vote HR 2 from 18 months ago that he tabled. Trump missed this.
Charlottesville: The "very fine people" quote has been proven over and over that it was carefully edited, and debunked for years, yet, she brought it up and ABC didn't interject that was false.
Jan6: no police were killed, that has been proved. The only person killed was Ashley Babbitt by a cop who had issues in the past with leaving a load handgun in a Capital bathroom. The cop who died later that day was from 2 strokes of natural causes. Video shows cops showing/escorting people around and telling them to take their feet off desks. When the crowd went nuts outside was when cops started shooting what looks like rubber bullets at them. Trump asked DC mayor and Pelosi for security and was turned down, and Pelosi said on tape it was her fault. Yet, when Trump said "peaceful and patriotic" that is ignored. Clearly, Jan 6 was not good, BLM was much worse.
Summer of Love: People and cops were murdered. Fires were called "peaceful protests". A city block was taken over as a CHOP in Seattle. Multiple police stations were attacked and taken over. In Seattle when EMS responders went in to help injured, they were shot at. Walz told the cops in Milwaukee to abandon the police station and sent no help. Portland refused help Trump offers. Harris SUPPORTED bonding people out rather than prosecuting.
While Trump owns the debate and how he handled himself, ABC News had a clear agenda to prop-up Harris. She had a good night. Let's hope she doesn another debate as she staff requested. The View must have had their first Big O in decades over this debate.
Eating pets: In Venezuela famine was so bad people went into zoos and took animals for food. I do believe this is happening to some dogs and cats in Springfield. Things like this that are said to not be true are debunked later, like Charlottesville, Russia Russia Russia, Steele Dossier, BLM "Peace Protest" and the "cop killings" on Jan6.
Harris supports Roe V Wade, which does allow restrictions on abortions in the third trimester. It's not relevant to the Presidential election if some states choose not to regulate it (whether or not it's really true they don't).
Fox Corp admitted in court papers that no reasonable person would think what Tucker Carlson said in his show, that they broadcast, was factual. But mogul still thinks Fox News is a reliable source of info. If you believe his posts, well, there's no law that says you have to be a reasonable person.
It looks like mogul is right that the abortion laws in Colorado are seriously fucked up now. Apparently no protections for a viable fetus in the third trimester. I got this answer from ChatGPT:
If a woman in Colorado who was 8 months pregnant performed an abortion on herself with a coat hanger, would that be legal?
In Colorado, performing an abortion on oneself, especially late in pregnancy, could have serious legal and medical implications.
Abortion in Colorado is legal without specific restrictions on gestational limits. However, if a woman were to perform an abortion on herself using dangerous or non-medical means like a coat hanger, it could lead to legal issues related to harm to herself or medical malpractice rather than the abortion itself. Using such methods poses significant health risks, including life-threatening complications, and could lead to legal actions based on those health consequences or related harm.
The exact legal ramifications would depend on how the case is treated, including whether there is any intent to prosecute for reckless endangerment of the pregnant person’s life.
If you're seeking information on abortion laws in Colorado or considering a particular scenario, consulting a lawyer or a professional in women's health law would provide more specific guidance.
Biden won in 2020 because, from what he said, people hoped he'd end the pandemic as fast as Trump is promising to end the Ukraine - Russia war. Maybe those people will vote to Trump, or (my guess) maybe they'll just stay home. I think Trump is focused on maintaining his turn out. There are only so many people who think hatred is a problem solver, which limits how many people he can win over.
Harris demonstrated the character and dignity needed to hold the office of the President of the US. Trump did not.
When Harris described her international travels and how foreign leader after foreign leader had told her that Trump was an embarrassment to the US, and that they were glad he wasn't in office, you knew it was true. Trump's response was to cite support from one guy, Viktor Orban in Hungary. One lone leader who supports him. Trump looked particularly pathetic in that exchange.
Human nature being what it is, nobody can be both highly moral and very powerful. Trump is a threat because he is able to appeal to white male supremacists (who value white and male supremacy more than individual rights and democracy), and because he is a risk taker. Trump was clearly severely emotionally abused growing up. That's the only reason somebody would inherit nine figures, but be willing to end up bankrupt and in prison.
@Wld4tatas: "Harris demonstrated the character and dignity needed to hold the office of the President of the US. Trump did not."
So saying the Charlottesville shit that was known to be false 4 years ago, supporting lawfare, supporting bail for Summer of Love Rioters, saying how smart and alert Biden has been (until the Long Knives came out) and saying Trump will do Project 2025 when there is no evidence he supports it, she owns a gun yet supports gun confiscation, she prosecuted/jailed weed dealers while admitting she toked-up so that's dignified to be POTUS?
And you are aware live tracking of Dems, Indies, and GOP'ers showed Indies tracked highly with the GOP. This was an ABC Tracking Poll, and they were surprised.
Say all you want, abortion of a viable child is plain evil and radial Democrats support it yet are not challenged by the MSM or even on the debate. Her responses were well rehearsed and very scripted.
Harris is like Biden. Most of the time he is a lost soul. Then he does the SOTU and he is amp'ed up and ON! Same with that creepy red background thing. Then he does the Trump Debate and he is "lost in the woods".
When Harris is off teleprompter she is a World Class Word Salad Machine. When she is on teleprompter she is precise, even the same speeches with the same inflections and hand movements. She was precise in the debate. There is only 1 reason why.
She was never "fact checked" like Trump was 5 times, and she was incorrect that the mods should have "fact checked" too. She was given a pass.
Now, to prove this isn't a one-off she must do interviews with various political leaning outlets - including All In (Pod, Trump did for 55 mins) and Fox live.
Harris had no teleprompter in the debate. She beat the word salad rap.
Any non-idiot can see the difference between Trump's versus Harris's dishonesty. Any non-idiot can understand that false claims that babies are being killed at birth, or that people's beloved pets are being killed and eaten, are liable to incite violence. As Trump's false claims of a stolen election in fact did. It's entirely reasonable that a media outlet with a large audience does not want blood on it's hands.
I lost count of how many times Trump fell back on his line "Millions of illegals are invading our country, committing crimes and absolutely destroying it !!".
This fake bitch Kamala made an ass of herself in the first five seconds, on purpose, and she's being praised for it by disingenuous morons who lie to themselves as easily as they lie to others.
She walks out, approaches Trump to shake hands, and states her name, "Kamala Harris". I get that they've never actually met face-to-face before, but clearly two of the most recognized people in the world who bash each other daily in the news, don't need to introduce themselves by stating their name. It's awkward and condescending. It's like saying, "Just in case people don't know how fake I am, I'm gonna shove my fake persona down their fucking throats until they choke on it."
The fake handshake alone would have been more than enough for appearances sake. Perhaps a phony, "good to meet you" or some such crap. I didn't quite hear what Trump said in response to her "Kamala Harris" introduction, but he looked a little confused at the awkwardness and was probably thinking, "What the fuck is wrong with you, lady?"
I know it's a small thing, and maybe I'm overthinking it, but it just struck me as bizarre. I do believe that it was probably scripted and even rehearsed during her debate prep (reportedly with a guy dressed in a navy suit and red tie to visually simulate Trump). I guess it had the desired effect. If you hate her like me, it made you want to barf. And if you love her, you look upon her adoringly, with a joyful tear in your eye saying, "See how she took the high road."
@misterorange: not only was Kammy's debate prep opponent wearing a navy suit and red tie, the reports are he was also wearing an orange wig. Even if only anecdotal, it demonstrates on how far removed from truth and substance the democrat party is. They rely solely on appearances and identity politics because their policies are either lacking substance or don't exist apart from a few lines on a website. Kamala's answers were canned and rehearsed and left no doubt that she knew the questions ahead of time. Trump was trying to stay on the offensive, but when the moderators are attacking you and telling as many lies as the debate opponent, it's hard to avoid having to defend against attacks from three directions.
This was a bullshit "debate" and the Republican party needs to learn from it. First, blackball ABC news. Full GOP boycott. Blacklist David Muir, Linsey Davis, and all of the executives involved in that mislabeled ambush. If they go to NBC, NBC loses access. I understand the risks of not getting their message to ABC viewers, but I also believe viewers who want to hear from both sides will simply tune to another channel. The insider leaks and tips to ABC news and those personalities must also be cut off. Losing scoops and details will derail their newsrooms and cause staffing changes. This scorched earth strategy needs to be implemented against all news orgs and talking heads who refuse to be impartial and fact-based. It is no less than what the democrat party does to the most partisan GOP broadcasters (Beck, Hannity, Carlson, Ingraham); admit that Muir, Wallace, Stephanopolous, et al are DNC hacks with no interest in the truth and move on. CNN had a better debate, ffs.
Remember when Trump brought Bill Clinton’s sexual accusers to the debate with Hillary? Or when he menaced her by walking around the stage? Now we’re complaining about handshakes.
I don't think the ethical thinking behind the viability standard in Roe V Wade makes any sense. In most cases, a pregnant woman is pregnant due to her own voluntary acts. The question is, when does the fetus become a child. Once it's a child, parental responsibility trumps individual rights, whether it's still in the womb or not. Saying it's a child from conception is a religious, not a secular claim, so the 1st Amendment prohibits it from being a basis for law. Likewise with the heartbeat standard. For heart and other organ transplants, the donor STILL has a heartbeat. It's not homicide, because the donor is known to be brain dead, due to the lack of certain brain waves. The best scientific evidence is that these brain waves don't start until the third trimester of pregnancy. Those brain waves should logically be considered the sign that a person now exists, as they are the sign a person has ceased to exist in this world. By chance, the third trimester standard in Roe V Wade is the correct one, if not the viability standard behind it.
If the only reason for a third trimester abortion is because the mother prefers to have one, I don't think it should be legal. But there are cases when it should be allowed. If a doctor certifies the mother's life is endangered by not aborting, she should be allowed that option. That is situation is comparable to conjoined twins. Surgically separating them often requires ending the life of one of them. Such decisions should not be made by government bureacrats.
Those who support deregulation of third trimester abortions probably think doctors will make sure it isn't abused. The Fauci I am the Science shit again.
@misterorange I think VP Harris introducing herself by name was because Pres Trump mispronounced her name a lot in the past. So it was likely rehearsed. I agree it seemed rehearsed and was awkward but it was nice that she walked over to him to shake his hand.
https://www.usnews.com/news/elections/ca… @gammanu95 Clearly the moderators were biased but I do not htink she needed to have questions ahead of time. The questions themselves were not surprising. So Kamala stayed in a room with a bunch or debate prep experts and rehearsed answers to the 35 most likely things that would be asked. Something most high school juniors could do with sufficient support.
The real bias came out by fact checking Pres Trump. I do not think it is moderators place to fact check anyone. Some of the things they claimed to have fact checked lead the moderators to mistate things or were at least highly subjkective.
The other bias in the questions was that when they asked VP Harris about the southern border or if people felt the economy was better unde4r Pres Trump, The Veep did not answer. They should have followed up the same way Lester Holt did when VP Harris claimed to have been to the border. https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021…
Xpert, that’s not apples to apples. Follow up questions in an interview are not the same as moderating a debate.
That said, the orange neck vagina’s outright lies (“people told me their pets were taken” or “Virginia and West Virginia have abortions after birth”) put the moderators in a difficult position. If they leave it to Harris to correct, she has to waste her alotted time correcting blatant lies. If they correct him, they are biased. Trump’s strategy is to lie a lot, so the fact that he took the hit seems the most fair outcome.
Hank, I used to think you were a smart, if misguided, liberal. Now you are crossing into wld4testes lunacy. Those were not follow up questions, and many of their fact-checks were editorial opinions or outright lies. Their failure to correct any of Kamala's innumerable lies "[left it to Trump]to correct, [he] has to waste [his] alotted time correcting blatant lies. " Be honest with us. You're better than that, and we're smarter than that. Unless you're still a RINO. Noone is fooled.
"She beat the word salad rap." She prep'ed for 6 days, fine, did her home work, and learned new expressions. Now, get on with lots of real interviews, un-rehearsed/no notecards (she kept look down to the table where the camera could see to look at notecards during her CNN 17 mins of fame interview, across various media outlets, not just her favs, and do a debate on a channel like Fox. Her handlers keep her in a "safe places".
If she refuses, how can she be trusted with world leaders. Same for Waltz. I look at what peoples' historical footprints for important roles in politics, courts and work.
Both of them largely ignored and evaded the moderator's questions. They just launched into practiced comments.
So you think she likely to do worse than Trump, in dealing with world leaders? Do you still believe in Santa too? Do you think world leaders respect how Trump got Mexico to pay for the wall, and got Denmark to sell us Greenland?
^I know that Putin didn't invade Ukraine and take Crimea as he did under Obama. I know that Putin didn't invade Ukraine like he did under Biden. I know that Hamas didn't launch 10/7 under trump. I know North Korea was cowed under Trump. I know the world is in flames under Biden and Harris is so fucking stupid she makes him appear smart. I know the world was better off even with Covid under trump, than it is now. I know that comments about the wall and Greenland indicate a below average intellect spouting off what they read on Huffpo.
There is tons of video evidence to demonstrate how much more REAL respect Trump had from other world leaders than Biden. When Trump walked in, they stood up and sought his attention and acknowledgment. You can see actual videos of them avoiding and ignoring Biden. Trump respected them, and they respected him, but he would not let them shirk their treaty obligations like NATO. Kamala will be even worse regarded than Biden. They know a post turtle when they see one. Mexico did pay for the wall, with NAFTA revised to benefit the US, the "remain in Mexico" policy, and tougher border enforcement. What's the problem with spitballing if we could buy Greenland? We have an important strategic base there, and it will be a key gateway to getting an upper hand in the struggle for Arctic resources over China and Russia. Libs needs to really research a whole topic before posting their ignorance for the world to see.
Gamma My point was that in an interview it’s proper to ask follow ups and corner someone for being evasive. In a debate there’s little time for follow ups. I think we agree there but we disagree on how the mods fact checked.
In other news, orange neck vagina says he won’t do another debate. Get ready for Kamala and the dems taunting him for being afraid and him changing his mind.
1) This was a debate, not an interview. ABC promised to have an "editorial firewall." but only kept that promise to the benefit of Kamala. To that end, it's worth pointing out Kamala has not done serious interview since her coronation.
2)Trump was not being evasive. Muir and Davis were unhappy that he was beating their questions.
3)Trump never agreed to a third debate to begin with. He has kept his insistence to the two debate format. There is no change there.
I can't take you seriously when you call him "orange neck vagina". No one does.
I'm disappointed the part about immigrants eating pets overshadowed Trump admitting if he was President, Putin would be in Kiev and happy. Because Putin has nukes, so we have to give him what he wants?
Hearing a Republican say that was both disappointing and admitting it out loud was shocking.
^ Under Trump, Putin did not invade Crimea and Georgia (that was "reset" and "more latitude after the election" Obama) or Ukraine (that was under "please don't hack our critical sectors" and "minor incursion" Biden).
@JamesSD, I agree with all your points. I thought Harris responded perfectly to Trump's refusal to support Ukraine. A highlight of Kamala's performance was when she said:
> “The reason that Donald Trump says that this war would be over within 24 hours is because he would just give it up, and that’s not who we are as Americans.”
^ Ukraine is not sustainable, unless we want to put American boots on the ground. They are literally running out of soldiers. I'm glad at least one side acknowledges that fact. China is a hundred times the threat that an oilfield with nukes and shit demographics is.
Putin's Russia is not an powerful as the USSR was. If the Afghans could defeat the USSR, Ukraine can too, as long as they are as equally determined. Which they seem to be so far.
It's slipping away gentlemen, you can see it right? Those last straws of Trumpism....grasping...."Kammy......you bit...."......
It's over.
And you're going to be ok. You will still have the same money in your account. You will still go to the club. You can still eat a steak when you want. The "others" will still serve you in "those" jobs.
I got the impression Cumala was attracted to Trump. I think her own husband isnt aggressive or domineering enough, big contrast to Trump… plus her husband is Jewish whereas Trump is a blonde haired white guy… probably the type of guy she wanted in highschool but could never attain because of her race and skin color
You can tell Trump is willing to push her around and she respects that… whereas her own husband behaves as if he’s whipped
The world is on fire and throwing Harris the giggling idiot into the fire will cause an explosion, the likes of which has never been seen. If I were young and still believed a decent long life was possible I sure as hell wouldn't vote for someone who's list of actual accomplishment was vacant. Then again I ve lived the best parts of and the majority of my life so whatever bitches.
Ukraine is a waste of time. They're a corrupt shithole. We are sending billions of dollars in support and weapons and they bitch it isn't enough. They dare DEMAND more. Walking away from Ukraine isn't giving up, it's a sensible decision. They should have won by now, if the money and weapons weren't going into the corrupt leaders' pockets. As a taxpayer, it's a lost cause and a waste of money. We need to focus on our own national security, not Ukraine's.
Here's part of a post-debate interview with a Republican who is appalled at how Trump has hijacked the party and taken it in a populist direction, away from it's conservative roots. She said she will now be voting for Harris.
Until this week’s debate in Philadelphia, though, she planned to honor her conservative principles and write in some other Republican. But everything changed when the former president repeatedly refused to say he believed it was critical that the United States stand with Ukraine. Trump said he wanted to end the war, and suggested he could negotiate a peace between Russia and Ukraine.
“Conservatives do not negotiate with communist dictators who invade other countries,” London said in a post-debate text. “It will take Trump losing decisively to reform the GOP, and I will be back when that happens.”
^ Yeah, someone so Republican they want an illegal invasion, spending to infinity, price controls, unrealized capital gains taxes, more glorification of the criminal and deviant. But hey, no mean Tweets.
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"Tonight's debate was a clear contrast between Donald Trump, who advanced policies that will address America's biggest concerns, and Kamala Harris, who had nothing but cliched talking points," Alfredo Ortiz, Job Creators Network President, said in a statement.
"Kamala ducked and dodged from her failed liberal record, flip-flopping on countless important issues. Kamala can run from her record but can't hide from its results. She showed herself as a policy phony who will do whatever it takes to get elected and gain power. She was clearly out of her league. By contrast, Trump showed himself to be a true leader, clearly explaining the policies needed to reinvigorate Main Street and the economy. In short, he was presidential, she was not."
"My debate score: trump - 3 moderators - 9 harris - N/A," Fox News host Greg Gutfeld posted on X.
"ABC should be ASHAMED of themselves," former Trump press secretary and Fox News host Kayleigh McEnany posted on X. "1. Where was the question for Kamala about casting the tie breaking vote for inflation (American Rescue Plan etc.)? 2. Where was the question for Kamala about wanting taxpayer-funded gender transition surgeries for illegal immigrants? 3. Where was the question about Tim Walz allowing babies born alive after abortion to die in Minnesota and then removing reporting requirements NONE - they only prepped TRUMP FACT CHECKS!"
"They are not moderators they are agitators," political commentator Mehek Cooke posted on X.
"My debate analysis won't make anyone happy," conservative commentator Matt Walsh posted on X. "I think Kamala was weak and nervous, especially early. She came off as phony and rehearsed the rest of the way. But Trump missed a lot of opportunities to land a blow, rambled too much, and took the bait repeatedly throughout. I don't think this debate moves the needle much for either candidate."
"Tonight’s debate wasn’t Harris versus Trump, it was Old Kamala versus New Kamala. Despite an attempt to rewrite history on her support for the most fringe radical policies on everything from the border and immigration, fracking and energy, Bidenomics, and our fundamental government principles, it’s clear she still refuses to be honest with the country about where she stands," Sentinel Action Fund President Jessica Anderson said in a statement.
"My debate score: trump - 3 moderators - 9 harris - N/A," Fox News host Greg Gutfeld posted on X.
"ABC should be ASHAMED of themselves," former Trump press secretary and Fox News host Kayleigh McEnany posted on X. "1. Where was the question for Kamala about casting the tie breaking vote for inflation (American Rescue Plan etc.)? 2. Where was the question for Kamala about wanting taxpayer-funded gender transition surgeries for illegal immigrants? 3. Where was the question about Tim Walz allowing babies born alive after abortion to die in Minnesota and then removing reporting requirements NONE - they only prepped TRUMP FACT CHECKS!"
"They are not moderators they are agitators," political commentator Mehek Cooke posted on X.
"My debate analysis won't make anyone happy," conservative commentator Matt Walsh posted on X. "I think Kamala was weak and nervous, especially early. She came off as phony and rehearsed the rest of the way. But Trump missed a lot of opportunities to land a blow, rambled too much, and took the bait repeatedly throughout. I don't think this debate moves the needle much for either candidate."
"Tonight’s debate wasn’t Harris versus Trump, it was Old Kamala versus New Kamala. Despite an attempt to rewrite history on her support for the most fringe radical policies on everything from the border and immigration, fracking and energy, Bidenomics, and our fundamental government principles, it’s clear she still refuses to be honest with the country about where she stands," Sentinel Action Fund President Jessica Anderson said in a statement.
"Trump did not win the debate but I think he won the election with an assist to ABC because it was so in the tank for Harris that it was repulsive," conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt posted on X. "Voters did see Harris dodge every question that was even slightly difficult and tried to erase her record and Biden’s. Voters expected accountability on the economy, inflation and border but got an ABC buffet of lefty agenda journalism that will not cover for the failures of the past three and a half years. Democrats think they won the debate and the election. It is 2016 all over again."
Others on social media expressed the belief that Harris won the debate.
"Biden gave one of the worst debate performances in history," journalist John Ralston posted on X. "Trump: Hold my beer."
"Trump's self-image...his political calling card is strength," former Obama senior adviser David Axelrod posted on X. "He was on defense that entire first hour. KamalaHarris pushed all his hot buttons, and he unraveled."
"Look," journalist Chris Cillizza posted on X. "Kamala Harris won the debate. Pretty easily."
In a statement, the Harris campaign wrote that Trump was "incoherent" and "angry" in the debate.
"Tonight, Vice President Harris commanded the stage on every single issue that matters to the American people," the campaign said. "Americans saw exactly what kind of President Kamala Harris will be: one who offers a New Way Forward for the country, who will be a president for all Americans, and who will turn the page once and for all on the darkness and division of Donald Trump. And she reminded the American people that she is the only candidate in this race ready to serve as our next Commander-in-Chief."
The Trump campaign declared victory in their debate statement.
"President Trump delivered a masterful debate performance tonight, prosecuting Kamala Harris’ abysmal record of failure that has hurt Americans for the last 4 years," the campaign said.
"We saw President Trump lay out his bold vision of America and how he would continue to build upon the successes of his first term by supercharging the economy, securing the border, and stopping crime from ravaging communities across the country. Conversely, Kamala’s vision of America was a dark reminder of the oppressive, big government policies of Joe Biden that she wants to continue. High inflation, a porous border that allows criminals and terrorists to flood across, and being soft on crime— that is what Kamala represents."
The democrat party and their liberal media allies learned well from the first debate against Biden: when mic's are muted simply let Kamala's lies go unchecked and deny Trump the mic to respond to lies told in collusion with the moderators.
So many people are voting for Kamala because of at least one of these reasons: 1. She’s a woman 2. She’s a person of color 3. She’s not Donald Trump. They completely ignore every other issue she stands for or her record as VP for the last four years and do not take any considerations to how the country will be ran for the next four years.
Meanwhile I technically live in “rural” America and there’s migrants all over the place even where I live, my nieces and nephews have graduated college and have good starting jobs but can’t afford to buy a house like previous generations could easily do, several businesses in my community are closing and unemployment is slowing ticking upward.
I felt like it appeared that Trump didn’t prepare for this debate, probably thought he was going to crush her just like Hillary Clinton thought she was going to crush Trump in their debate in 2016. ABC was lobbing softballs all night and Kamala kept crushing them while Trump kept missing them.
Don’t forget reason #4 and probably the biggest reason why people are voting for Harris, “ABORTION”
Harris:
She came out visibly nervous, but settled in quickly.
She's going to take my money and give it to college students that picked crappy majors.
She's going to take my money and give it to people for having a baby.
She's going to take my money and give it to apartment dwellers to buy their first home.
She's gonna take my money and give it to small business startups (probably disproportionately to diversity candidates).
She's trying to piggyback Obama's hope and change, but lacks the charisma to do so.
Trump:
He came out bitter and angry and it escalated from there.
He is easily baited and cannot avoid his base instincts, even after extensive coaching.
He can't stop whining about the past.
Millions of Hispanic immigrants have crossed the border to kill our men, rape our women, and eat our dogs.
The country is doomed, the world is doomed, and he, and only he, is able to fix it. (But, as usual, without even a suggestion of what that fix might be.)
He's going to double down on tariffs and pretend those cost will not be passed on to the consumer becoming inflationary, but hey Mexico pay for the wall didn't they?
He did not bring a handkerchief to the debate or was somehow unaware that his nose was running. (Adderall bump?)
So in my opinion nobody won the debate. I walked away still feeling like neither of the candidates deserve to be POTUS.
I would combine Shailynn's first and second statements, then add the third reason of "blue no matter who". These are the straight ticket low- information democrat voters that don't get into the news, don't learn about the issues, like college students and urban guilty white liberals.
The fact remains that we can judge each candidate on four years of actual performance in the role they are campaigning for. If you objectively look at the facts and data, discard identity politics and partisan issues, Donald Trump has clearly outperformed Kamala in every single metric. He clearly is the best remedy to all of the problems Kamala created in the past four years. Why the hell would anyone give her four more
I don't like it that they both want to Santa Claus, when we have a huge structural fiscal deficit. But at least Harris wants to be Santa Claus to be people who are worse off than average, not people who are better off than average.
Maybe all the falsified ballots are hidden in the same place as Saddam's WMD.
After last night, there is doubt that anything happened or was said to sway any voters from who they already are planning to vote for.
Still I don't think these things matter too much unless someone completely goes to shit.
Maybe they should have a debate with them in separate rooms, with no moderators. Switch back and forth, every 3 minutes. No questions, they don't give direct answers anyway. No point in having moderators, if it's bias for them to actually moderate.
Sometimes he's too batshit even for Fox News: https://www.ktvu.com/news/immigrants-spr…
While this was not good for Trump, I still look at what was my life like for 4 years of Trump and 4 years of Biden.
2020: COVID-19 a once in 100 year pandemic. When Trump shutdown travel from China, he was called a racist and xenophobe. The country started to recover in the Fall of 2020, Harris said she wouldn't take the "Trump Vaccine", net the mRNA vaxcine was made available 5-days afetr the election. Harris/Biden forced people in 2021 to take the jab or lose your job, plus schools were shutdown.
Employment:/Jobs: Biden had more deaths in 2021 than Trump had in 2020. yet, the economy Biden got, and "saved" with 20% inflation was a success. Jobs have been recovery jobs. Employment at the end of 2019 was ~154M, today ~159M. Plus, the emploment numbers for the past year were deduced by 818,000 - opp, our bad. BLS data: https://unemploymentdata.com/wp-content/… BLS shows native-born Americans lost more than 1.3 million jobs over the last 12 months, while foreign-born workers gained more than 1.2 million jobs. https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/jobs… Why? Lower cost. I used Fox Business News as the MSM just ignored this. These hires were recovery, not new jobs, and way many are part-time with people doing more than one so companies can avoid gov't mandated benefits from ObamaCare - many jobs at least in tech are W2 Contract, not F/T. Also, the gov't hired a very high percentage that Taxpayers' need to cover. The 16M new jobs that Harris/Biden boast about are really all that.
AFG Bugout: Biden used Taliban for "security" at a 1 tarmac airport; ignored using Bagram and tore up the Plan Trump had worked out that had specifics conditions. ABC News just moved on.
Abortion: states that have laws for unconditional late term - CO, AK, VT, NH, NM, NJ. ABC News just blew this off.
Senate Immigration Bill: Why didn't VP Harris, as President of the US Senate, why didn't you press for Senate Majority Leader Charles Schumer to bring forward for debate and vote HR 2 from 18 months ago that he tabled. Trump missed this.
Charlottesville: The "very fine people" quote has been proven over and over that it was carefully edited, and debunked for years, yet, she brought it up and ABC didn't interject that was false.
Jan6: no police were killed, that has been proved. The only person killed was Ashley Babbitt by a cop who had issues in the past with leaving a load handgun in a Capital bathroom. The cop who died later that day was from 2 strokes of natural causes. Video shows cops showing/escorting people around and telling them to take their feet off desks. When the crowd went nuts outside was when cops started shooting what looks like rubber bullets at them. Trump asked DC mayor and Pelosi for security and was turned down, and Pelosi said on tape it was her fault. Yet, when Trump said "peaceful and patriotic" that is ignored. Clearly, Jan 6 was not good, BLM was much worse.
Summer of Love: People and cops were murdered. Fires were called "peaceful protests". A city block was taken over as a CHOP in Seattle. Multiple police stations were attacked and taken over. In Seattle when EMS responders went in to help injured, they were shot at. Walz told the cops in Milwaukee to abandon the police station and sent no help. Portland refused help Trump offers. Harris SUPPORTED bonding people out rather than prosecuting.
While Trump owns the debate and how he handled himself, ABC News had a clear agenda to prop-up Harris. She had a good night. Let's hope she doesn another debate as she staff requested. The View must have had their first Big O in decades over this debate.
Fox Corp admitted in court papers that no reasonable person would think what Tucker Carlson said in his show, that they broadcast, was factual. But mogul still thinks Fox News is a reliable source of info. If you believe his posts, well, there's no law that says you have to be a reasonable person.
If a woman in Colorado who was 8 months pregnant performed an abortion on herself with a coat hanger, would that be legal?
In Colorado, performing an abortion on oneself, especially late in pregnancy, could have serious legal and medical implications.
Abortion in Colorado is legal without specific restrictions on gestational limits. However, if a woman were to perform an abortion on herself using dangerous or non-medical means like a coat hanger, it could lead to legal issues related to harm to herself or medical malpractice rather than the abortion itself. Using such methods poses significant health risks, including life-threatening complications, and could lead to legal actions based on those health consequences or related harm.
The exact legal ramifications would depend on how the case is treated, including whether there is any intent to prosecute for reckless endangerment of the pregnant person’s life.
If you're seeking information on abortion laws in Colorado or considering a particular scenario, consulting a lawyer or a professional in women's health law would provide more specific guidance.
My polling of one indicates that Trump did a worse job at gaining middle votes. +- 1.
Face it gentlemen playing in the pumpkin patch.....the beginning of the end has started.
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Immigrant bbq according to trump
When Harris described her international travels and how foreign leader after foreign leader had told her that Trump was an embarrassment to the US, and that they were glad he wasn't in office, you knew it was true. Trump's response was to cite support from one guy, Viktor Orban in Hungary. One lone leader who supports him. Trump looked particularly pathetic in that exchange.
So saying the Charlottesville shit that was known to be false 4 years ago, supporting lawfare, supporting bail for Summer of Love Rioters, saying how smart and alert Biden has been (until the Long Knives came out) and saying Trump will do Project 2025 when there is no evidence he supports it, she owns a gun yet supports gun confiscation, she prosecuted/jailed weed dealers while admitting she toked-up so that's dignified to be POTUS?
And you are aware live tracking of Dems, Indies, and GOP'ers showed Indies tracked highly with the GOP. This was an ABC Tracking Poll, and they were surprised.
Say all you want, abortion of a viable child is plain evil and radial Democrats support it yet are not challenged by the MSM or even on the debate. Her responses were well rehearsed and very scripted.
When Harris is off teleprompter she is a World Class Word Salad Machine. When she is on teleprompter she is precise, even the same speeches with the same inflections and hand movements. She was precise in the debate. There is only 1 reason why.
She was never "fact checked" like Trump was 5 times, and she was incorrect that the mods should have "fact checked" too. She was given a pass.
Now, to prove this isn't a one-off she must do interviews with various political leaning outlets - including All In (Pod, Trump did for 55 mins) and Fox live.
Any non-idiot can see the difference between Trump's versus Harris's dishonesty. Any non-idiot can understand that false claims that babies are being killed at birth, or that people's beloved pets are being killed and eaten, are liable to incite violence. As Trump's false claims of a stolen election in fact did. It's entirely reasonable that a media outlet with a large audience does not want blood on it's hands.
She walks out, approaches Trump to shake hands, and states her name, "Kamala Harris". I get that they've never actually met face-to-face before, but clearly two of the most recognized people in the world who bash each other daily in the news, don't need to introduce themselves by stating their name. It's awkward and condescending. It's like saying, "Just in case people don't know how fake I am, I'm gonna shove my fake persona down their fucking throats until they choke on it."
The fake handshake alone would have been more than enough for appearances sake. Perhaps a phony, "good to meet you" or some such crap. I didn't quite hear what Trump said in response to her "Kamala Harris" introduction, but he looked a little confused at the awkwardness and was probably thinking, "What the fuck is wrong with you, lady?"
I know it's a small thing, and maybe I'm overthinking it, but it just struck me as bizarre. I do believe that it was probably scripted and even rehearsed during her debate prep (reportedly with a guy dressed in a navy suit and red tie to visually simulate Trump). I guess it had the desired effect. If you hate her like me, it made you want to barf. And if you love her, you look upon her adoringly, with a joyful tear in your eye saying, "See how she took the high road."
Didn't think so
@misterorange: not only was Kammy's debate prep opponent wearing a navy suit and red tie, the reports are he was also wearing an orange wig. Even if only anecdotal, it demonstrates on how far removed from truth and substance the democrat party is. They rely solely on appearances and identity politics because their policies are either lacking substance or don't exist apart from a few lines on a website. Kamala's answers were canned and rehearsed and left no doubt that she knew the questions ahead of time. Trump was trying to stay on the offensive, but when the moderators are attacking you and telling as many lies as the debate opponent, it's hard to avoid having to defend against attacks from three directions.
This was a bullshit "debate" and the Republican party needs to learn from it. First, blackball ABC news. Full GOP boycott. Blacklist David Muir, Linsey Davis, and all of the executives involved in that mislabeled ambush. If they go to NBC, NBC loses access. I understand the risks of not getting their message to ABC viewers, but I also believe viewers who want to hear from both sides will simply tune to another channel. The insider leaks and tips to ABC news and those personalities must also be cut off. Losing scoops and details will derail their newsrooms and cause staffing changes. This scorched earth strategy needs to be implemented against all news orgs and talking heads who refuse to be impartial and fact-based. It is no less than what the democrat party does to the most partisan GOP broadcasters (Beck, Hannity, Carlson, Ingraham); admit that Muir, Wallace, Stephanopolous, et al are DNC hacks with no interest in the truth and move on. CNN had a better debate, ffs.
If the only reason for a third trimester abortion is because the mother prefers to have one, I don't think it should be legal. But there are cases when it should be allowed. If a doctor certifies the mother's life is endangered by not aborting, she should be allowed that option. That is situation is comparable to conjoined twins. Surgically separating them often requires ending the life of one of them. Such decisions should not be made by government bureacrats.
Those who support deregulation of third trimester abortions probably think doctors will make sure it isn't abused. The Fauci I am the Science shit again.
I would ban elective third trimester abortions but they're fucking rare.
I think VP Harris introducing herself by name was because Pres Trump mispronounced her name a lot in the past. So it was likely rehearsed. I agree it seemed rehearsed and was awkward but it was nice that she walked over to him to shake his hand.
@gammanu95
Clearly the moderators were biased but I do not htink she needed to have questions ahead of time. The questions themselves were not surprising. So Kamala stayed in a room with a bunch or debate prep experts and rehearsed answers to the 35 most likely things that would be asked. Something most high school juniors could do with sufficient support.
The real bias came out by fact checking Pres Trump. I do not think it is moderators place to fact check anyone. Some of the things they claimed to have fact checked lead the moderators to mistate things or were at least highly subjkective.
The other bias in the questions was that when they asked VP Harris about the southern border or if people felt the economy was better unde4r Pres Trump, The Veep did not answer. They should have followed up the same way Lester Holt did when VP Harris claimed to have been to the border. https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021…
That said, the orange neck vagina’s outright lies (“people told me their pets were taken” or “Virginia and West Virginia have abortions after birth”) put the moderators in a difficult position. If they leave it to Harris to correct, she has to waste her alotted time correcting blatant lies. If they correct him, they are biased. Trump’s strategy is to lie a lot, so the fact that he took the hit seems the most fair outcome.
If she refuses, how can she be trusted with world leaders. Same for Waltz. I look at what peoples' historical footprints for important roles in politics, courts and work.
Indies are going to decide this election.
So you think she likely to do worse than Trump, in dealing with world leaders? Do you still believe in Santa too? Do you think world leaders respect how Trump got Mexico to pay for the wall, and got Denmark to sell us Greenland?
My point was that in an interview it’s proper to ask follow ups and corner someone for being evasive. In a debate there’s little time for follow ups. I think we agree there but we disagree on how the mods fact checked.
In other news, orange neck vagina says he won’t do another debate. Get ready for Kamala and the dems taunting him for being afraid and him changing his mind.
2)Trump was not being evasive. Muir and Davis were unhappy that he was beating their questions.
3)Trump never agreed to a third debate to begin with. He has kept his insistence to the two debate format. There is no change there.
I can't take you seriously when you call him "orange neck vagina". No one does.
Hearing a Republican say that was both disappointing and admitting it out loud was shocking.
> “The reason that Donald Trump says that this war would be over within 24 hours is because he would just give it up, and that’s not who we are as Americans.”
It's over.
And you're going to be ok. You will still have the same money in your account. You will still go to the club. You can still eat a steak when you want. The "others" will still serve you in "those" jobs.
You can tell Trump is willing to push her around and she respects that… whereas her own husband behaves as if he’s whipped
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https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/11/politics/…
Until this week’s debate in Philadelphia, though, she planned to honor her conservative principles and write in some other Republican. But everything changed when the former president repeatedly refused to say he believed it was critical that the United States stand with Ukraine. Trump said he wanted to end the war, and suggested he could negotiate a peace between Russia and Ukraine.
“Conservatives do not negotiate with communist dictators who invade other countries,” London said in a post-debate text. “It will take Trump losing decisively to reform the GOP, and I will be back when that happens.”