How do Strip Clubs stay relevant in the Modern Age

It just seems they are getting too expensive. When I read reviews of $40 and $50 single dances - that’s just too high. Add in people’s discretionary income is down, as noted above, it just makes it tough times for the casual patron not necessarily seeking OTC

Strip clubs are still legal- a segment of the population doesnt want to take risks and so strip clubs are there for them. For some people, lapdances, going to strip clubs aren’t considered cheating. For some people, its a replacement for unsafe sex. You can LDK from a good grinding lapdance- with no std risk. And even for people who are into escorts or hoes- the clubs provide an opportunity to get to know the dancer, and for both dancer and client to vet each other. With an escort or even sugarbaby, you would have to pay hundreds of dollars even to meet publicly.

Lapdances also offer you the opportunity to sample some tits, ass, and possibly more, for a small sum of $20-$40. With an escort you would have to pay at least $100 for a 15 minute appointment, often far more.

Strip clubs expose you to women, who may not be available online as escorts, yet still available OTC for escort activities. Of course, some escorts may post listings online as well as work a club. But the online listings and advertising come with its own set of risks. She needs to either do screening, or have her own security/agency/pimp. She may have to use fake pictures for online listings if she wants to remain undercover.
At a strip club, the club provides her security, she can personally vet each client for potential OTC, and, she doesn’t have to openly advertise or reveal her identity. No photography allowed, along with a fake stage name, allows her to work as a dancer and even an escort, while remaining fully anonymous and undercover.

@ Puddy Tat, the reasons you mentioned in your first paragraph are exactly why I love strip clubs. Real women beat internet everyday of the week.

I am only commenting on the "social" climate. I love strip clubs or else I wouldn't be on this forum. I dislike transgenders as far as attraction. If a club ever starts making that mainstream I am leaving it.

@rickmacroding, thank you.

I only get worried because we live in a world where if some of these even think you are looking at them, they will scream rape. I have never raped anyone, but it's appalling how extreme these women are.

@ Puddy Tat, aren't there laws in place that allow discrimination as long as it's not race or religion based.

Hooters has existed for decades. Twin Peaks and other breastaurants still exist.

Trans and homosexuals should have their own clubs. I'm not promoting 1950s era civil rights. I honestly think they deserve the same treatment as black clubs (many of which I frequent).

I know ggofv is legit but this title is very AI-ish

I think you first have to consider the different forms of entertainment in a strip club:

1. Live nude or topless dancing.
2. In person, one-on-one conversation with a stripper.
3. In person, one-on-one air dance.
4. In person, one-on-one lap dance.
5. Extras / bordello type services.

VCRs andl later the internet greatly reduced the demand for #1. Similar to how recorded music and broadcasting reduced the demand for live music.

The internet reduced demand for #2 and #3. The demand for #1 and #2 is mostly because customers get it as a free side with their lap dance (so moochers can get it for little or nothing).

Modernity has generally meant more individual freedom. So, in that way, it's actually a lack of modernity that's hurting our pastime. But, more of this sort of modernity would also make escorting via the internet safer for sex workers and much less scammy for PLs. Which will take away from contact services in strip clubs.

But modernity has also meant that people who are willing to work 40 hours a week in any basic job can live decently. So that would mean less sex work done out of desperation. And that leads to the question of the match between the boundaries of sex workers and the minimal expectations of PLs. It the match is high, lots of clubs. If low, a few clubs in bigger cities.

@Puddy Tat, I see a few. Actually I tipped one quite well at a Black club. The issue is that I don't go to Black clubs for white women. I am not racist, but sometimes I just want a black women's butt on my lap.

Some of Black women noticed me with the white girl. What they don't know is that I came that night looking for a VIP and the white stripper was the most helpful so I rewarded her.

What the fuck. If you wanted to talk about trans and liberals ruining the clubs post in the political forum.

@ Hank Moody, I didn't think the topic was specifically political, like borders or presidential candidates. Its more a commentary of how clubs are perceived today. Both political sides have different perspectives on it. Neither side defends them. I was just wondering how they can escape the ever increasing attitude from the general public.

There is a reason we don't have Disco Clubs and Drive in Movie theaters (at least not mainstream theater chains that are drive in). I believe the modern strip club is wonderful and I hope it never goes away. it fills a niche that @rickmacrodong and @ilbbacani mentioned.

I don't think things have changed as much as you think, at least not under the surface. Here's the thing, 10 years of "me too" doesn't erase a million years of human evolution. We're pigs because that's the biology that drives us. They doesn't mean we can't be more respectful and empathetic toward the women we interact with, but that drive to spread our sead is ALWAYS going to be there, regardless of what a Gillette commercial tells you.

@OP “I didn't think the topic was specifically political”

It’s your fucking thread. Your first post talked about liberals ruining clubs and your second post talked about transgenders being mainstream in the clubs. You started the thread with a political fire and then threw gasoline on it. No, the thread didn’t need to be political. You just dragged it there.

Hank Moody is spot on.

Also, the reason strip clubs still exist is because you can't touch OnlyFans girls, massage parlors get busted, and escorts have pimps. Strip Clubs still provide a venue for safely connecting with several degrees of sexually willing women at once.

Lastly, I don't think "liberals" destroy clubs so much as gentrification does. Look at what's happening to ATL.

I steer clear of political discussions on this site, but cannot fathom how OP can ascribe a liberal/conservative dimension to whatever he thinks he's talking about.

As far as trans women are concerned, I have no interest in getting a dance from a trans woman, but I also have no interest in getting a dance from a fat woman. Same difference as far as I'm concerned. Club's prerogative if the want to hire them. If they don't also have the kind of women I like, I go elsewhere. It's the "invisible hand" of the SC marketplace

@puddy - I obviously am fine with discussing politics. What I don’t like is someone being a passive aggressive fucking pussy and saying “this isn’t a political thread, but let’s talk about” politics. There are plenty of non-political reasons strip club culture is declining in a lot of the country. Plenty to discuss there. But this thread? All we need are references to critical race theory and Colin Kaepernick and we’d have woke mind virus bingo.

Pawg unfortunately strippers, extras or non extras ones, can still have pimps.

You can find the escorts who are well reviewed, who provide GFE, they usually arent pimped but will want some personal info for screening. Most of the pornstar providers dont have pimps but rates are high 1000$+

Massage parlors are mostly Asian women. But yes the busting is also a concern.

@ Pawg Patrol

Lastly, I don't think "liberals" destroy clubs so much as gentrification does. Look at what's happening to ATL.

Thank you. this actually gives me some peace of mind. Alot of the clubs I go to are in "less desirable" areas of the city nobody really cares about .

Well, real estate prices are lower in the less desirable areas, like, by definition. That's why they're there. And hand in hand with that is zoning, too.

Are there white clubs? A white club would be regarded as racist.
Outside of some hicky town with a 99% white population, i dont think there are any white clubs. The clubs are either black, latina, or regular, which in most cases will include every race.

The way the latinas overtake some clubs is the proper way. They provide good or better service, at similar or better rates.

It would though be kinda interesting if they put a club in Rosemary Square, or Palos Verdes, or Atherton, CA, or Highland Park, IL. Although I'm told there's a club on the Old Greenwich border but still maybe technically in Stamford, but never been there.

everyone calm down. I apologize if this thread is deemed political. That wasn't the point. I only wanted to incite discussion on how strip clubs can still exist and what actions we can take to maintain them. Thank you all for your input.

Atlanta clubs flourished when the city was rougher. Now you have all these affluent northerners and tech people moving in and they don't want to see a seedy strip club from outside the window of their newly built luxury condo. What a shame.

I'm also kind of "worried" about OF and Chaturbate taking dancers, especially english-speaking white ones, out of the equation for working at physical clubs. Thankfully I am most attracted by ones that speak Spanish or Portuguese.

Progressive galore Portland manages to maintain itself as the known most-strip-clubs-per-capita. Many of those clubs survive with their own gimmick, such as Karaoke or being vegan or something. Or they just simply appeal as a neighborhood bar with tits.

I personally think clubs should tone things down with the exclusivity branding and heavy alcohol pushing. Like lapdances can be expensive, but idk…be more transparent about it I guess? It’s tough in general to pushback against a culture that is less hedonist than it was in the 1990s. Divorce rates are falling among the middle aged guys. And alcohol consumption is falling among young guys.

@ nice spice, I think the decline in hedonism is more of a cultural shift. The current generation (gen Z and younger millennial) grew up with the higher divorce rate parents. More people are pushing back marriage (especially women compared to 20+ years ago). So as a result the majority of the marriages are with people who legitimately want it versus being peer pressured into it.

And yes, alcohol consumption has declined. Remember that who Bud Light -Dylan Mulvaney fiasco. Politics aside, Bud even attempting that shows they desperately want a new market. Most Beer producers do, as the standard clientele doesn't buy enough.

Divorce rates peaked in the 80s. Parents of older millennials had high rates. Younger millennials and Gen Z have known nothing but falling divorce rates in their lifetimes.

And jfc you can't help yourself can you? No one was talking about Bud Light or trans shit but here you go again shoehorning your favorite topic in. I think you're obsessed 😂

@ sfrsox, I think the online space is why we see a decline in white dancers overall.

The online space has its pros And cons. It allows to earn more, but only if you're promoted. The average Onlyfans creater makes an abysmal amount per year (under 10K per year). Go to any OF YouTube channel discussion.

Then, as most dancers have told me, your life is out there FOREVER online. If you're not making FU money (like over 200,000 per year) then it's not worth it. A stripper has anonymity as long as she changes cities and name.

But the OF creators making 6 figures or more is a smaller pool than what is let on.

OP: Good sociology term paper topic. Strip clubs are relevant for several prior reasons. One cannot deny some negative trends post covid that are pushing people away.

Inflation- Increase of 23.71% (inflationdata.com) of 2024 over 2019. (last full "normal" pre-covid year). Some dance/VIP prices have increased more than that, but people's income has not. This results in fewer club visits.

On the dancer end, there's a decline in dancer attractiveness in clubs, exacerbated by dancers having other income options (webcamming, sugar dating, etc.) Then several clubs making negative changes such as ID scan, etc.

Still has relevance, but less so. 4 monthly visits becomes 3, 6 dancers "my type" become 4. Moneyed interests seem to be more a player, particularly with developers wishing to build multistory dwellings (think 8 plus floors) on finite amount of land.

I paid $20.00 for dances ranging from 3:30 - 4:00 minutes last night. Strip clubs will continue to lose relevancy as people who grew up communicating in-person face to face die off and are replaced by people who text each other or call once in a great while. Young people are uncomfortable face to face and in-person, so the clock is ticking. What I found absolutely mind boggling about this thread is the inane claim we have more personal freedom now. The exact opposite is true, but Orwell warned us about this. Ahh war is peace, freedom is slavery, thanks progressives, go suck some terrorist cock at an ivy league school.

Minnow's post is the best read of the situation. IMO clubs would do better to install panic buttons in rooms and remove cameras. This would seem to be both physically safer for the dancer and privacy concern safer for the customer and dancer.

I suspect that what appears to be increased emphasis on extras from customers is driving away a lot of native-English speaking dancers.

ID scans are becoming more common. Ever since 9/11 we've been ok with surrendering our privacy, and it doesn't seem to be hurting those clubs as much as I expected. However, at some point a strip club ID database is going to make the news just like Ashley Madison, or someone will come forward that they were blackmailed by club management.

People speculated and did a lot hand-wringing over the relevance of the three original TV networks first with the advent of cable and then more recently with streaming services. While you may have opinions about the current operation of those networks, they're still here and producing programming after severe market shifts. That said, everyone has had to adapt to having a smaller slice of the pie.

Similarly, sex work has become more fragmented to include sugaring, OnlyFans, camming, etc., as well as strip clubs. And though there's a growing population of adults that aren't quite as "in person" as previous generations, it's not like the population of guys who want a lap dance and in-person attention from a hot dancer will ever drop to zero. And the population of women willing to satisfy that demand also won't drop to zero. And there will always be someone willing to give both of those populations a place to gather.

So, there may be fewer clubs as the ones with outdated practices drop off the map, but I don't foresee a strip club wasteland anytime soon.

The injection of partisan politics into this is a bit silly. We've seen both Republican- and Democratic-controlled local governments target strip clubs because it's low-hanging fruit to appeal to voters who all agree that strip clubs are bad and the people inside of them are worse (setting aside the tiny demographic of voters who work in or regularly visit strip clubs).

And if you don't agree with any of that, then I am also pretty certain that our current strip club scene won't dry up before most of the people on this thread die.

And after that, who cares?... you're dead.

@CMI Maybe it's a smaller slice but the pie has grown much larger, profits have actually increased at the legacy networks, to a point where they have become the most profitable players in their industry, don't forget everything costs so much more, and the increases aren't really attributable to inflation, not even in strip clubs even there, the costs are constantly growing, and the top of the food chain keeps increasing share and profits, while passing costs down to the lower echelons.

@CMI The issue with a shrinking industry is that it leads to lower club quality vs reduced competition. Take board favorite Desire, would it have the combination of services and hotness if it wasn't competing with 3 or 4 (sometimes) good clubs within a 20 minute drive? Would dances still be $25 there if it's only competition was Cadillac Lounge? Maybe, but likely not.

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Nothing can replace face-to-face encounters with women, and certainly not touching. And, clubs are easier and faster for getting action than weeding through online posts looking for other options, or dealing with the complexities and flakiness of OTC meetups.

Funontheside OTC is cheaper and better than ITC. Many clubs you cant even get ITC to begin with due to improper seating, cameras etc.

The end of competition in the ski industry, which is now essentially ruled by two major players, is why buying a single day lift ticket is over for 90% of skiers, meaning .01% of the populace can afford it. In 1981 my Killington lift ticket cost $20. Last year it would have been $185.00. Lap dances were $6.00 at the Inner Room.

Both escorts and strippers can have pimps. I'd agree it's probably less frequent among non-extras strippers. Extras strippers versus escorts, I couldn't venture a guess. The line between boyfriend with no income and pimp can be a blurry one.

sfrsox: You're referring to Harry O's in Old Greenwich, CT, which is probably the down and dirtiest club I've ever been in. Makes Pleasant Moments seem like an ice cream parlor. But the neighborhood is plenty rough too, so it's not out of place.

Some clubs have died off yes. I keep having to submit these closings on tuscl (which is a bitch if I drove out of the way to get there) but some of these clubs are in no danger whatsoever of going under. They are packed to the gills. There's still a demand for sure for these things.

Thats incorrect Icee.

Ive mentioned before, you are supposedly friends with several stripper hoes, and you supposedly pimped out your own girlfriend in the past. So you dont want people exposing pimp/hoe tactics and how the game goes.

If you get off with someone, it can make you bond to them. Especially if they make you get off. Whether its with their hands, their mouth, etc.

Pimps know this, so the majority of pimped girls will follow the same basic playbook of rules. They won’t kiss clients, wont allow DATY or fingering, usually wont do bare BJs, and they will try to push towards hjs or covered bjs so they dont reach an O with a client.

Yes there are exceptions… if the girls pimp isnt a ghetto pimp.. he might not care about all those rules. If its a foreign latina or other foreign girl, being pimped by a gang or cartel of some sort, then those guys also wont care for the most part.

But most pimps in the US are boyfriend pimps.

And it definitely is a good thing for customers to avoid them… because by doing so, youre not giving business to someone who doesnt deserve it… youre not helping fund some leech boyfriend…

Literally whether or not the girl allows DATY, in the majority of cases will tell you whether or not she has a pimp

And like ilb said, even strippers can have pimps, and if its an Americanized, fluent english speaking girl, they’re going to have the same basic rules for the most part. Another thing a lot of them wont allow is playing with the nipples for too long. Because that can turn them on too much or even cause a nipple orgasm.

Basically if you think of the worst, most mechanical, most restrictive type of sex possible, thats what sex with a pimped hoe is like.

Pimps are leeches on society.. theyre bad for the girl because they mooch some or all of her money.. theyre bad for clients because clients pay more and get poor service.

Pimped girls wont provide GFE/PSE, while pornstars usually will. there may be exceptions like an onlyfans girl who only bangs her pimp, or a retired former pornstar who now has a pimp. Usually if they have reviews you can weed them out.

I don't think it's just an ultra-liberal thing that publicly opposes whole appeasing men situation. It's a variety of things because many liberal guys and conservative guys love sexy, flirty, scantidly clad and nude, available women. A lot of it is commerce. If public sentiment turns in another direction that the profit mongers have to find another avenue. And women are big consumers and spend a lot of money so...you know... But on some level the sex game will survive. Even with OF and porn, there will always be live nude girls.

The escorts, sugar babies, and perhaps to some extent hooters twin peaks etc waitresses, are the biggest competition for strippers.

A dancers OTC rate will always be compared to the going rate for escorts, sugar girls etc.

"A stripper has anonymity as long as she changes cities and name."

That's not necessarily true. Many states, localities require adult entertainers "strippers" to obtain some type of government license. Any type of government license will compromise anonymity.

The following link has the state by state regulations. On a positive note, RI has no licensing requirement and dancers need to be only 18+ That may explain why a club such as RI Dolls can have such a huge turnover in dancers. There is no barrier to entry caused by licensing which can discourage new girls from testing the waters as a stripper.

worldpopulationreview.com

The percentage of whites among people under 30 is less than among people over 30 in the US. Strippers are more likely to grow up in families with less $, and that correlates inversely with whiteness. Don't need camming to explain why older men with discretionary income are more likely to be white than strippers.

Yeah, this month I learned about the FDLE

Holy hell. Dumb.

Get out of people's personal lives, dammit

Also 21 is damn stupid. Make it 18, FL.

WA is f'ing dumb with teh 10 foot rule.

@sfrsox, Tennessee has the 10 foot rule. At least in Nashville they do. I am so glad I haven't went to a Nashville club. I don't see how TN players deal with it. I would just see escorts at that point.

@ilbbaicnl, if birth rates continue to decline, then it won't be too long before white dancers become as rare as Asian dancers. But given the total white population in the US, I don't see that happening for decades. And your Northeast and West coast states will probably still be the prime locations for white dancers.

@WiseToo, thanks for the link. good information.

@ Icey, I think I gave the wrong impression. The only reason I made the Asian dancers comment is because after reading multiple club reviews in southern states, Asian dancers appear to be rare. I barely see any myself.

The white dancer comment was a reference to the fact that the pool of women who would be standard fare at strip clubs are the same pool that become cam girls or OF models. They aren't going anywhere, but this forum has admitted they are a divided group in the sex industry.

@ Icey, I recognize that. Some dancers have given me their OF. I hooked up with an OF girl not even a week ago. They typically have multiple side hustles. That's the nature of this business.

What I meant is that the more successful OF models (or ladies who don't want any meet ups) will typically not resort to stripping at a club.

Icey, if they go on onlyfans they lose their anonymity. So, maybe they look for outs from stripping, but there will definitely be a big portion who wont consider something like onlyfans to be an out. Some wont care and will go into escorting, porn, onlyfans. But for the ones who want to stay undercover they cant do those things They would have to become very popular on onlyfans for it to come close to what they can make from stripping. And escorting comes with its own set of risks. Clubs have security, an escort has to do extensive screening or have a pimp

@ rickmacrodong, I agree with what you're saying. But the truth is that stripping is only profitable if you have a loyal following of regulars or if the foot traffic is good.

The clubs have been increasing their prices this year if you haven't noticed. My local clubs did this in March. There are less guys SPENDING as much as they used to. Notice how I focused on spending, not attendance.

Major city strip clubs tend to pay out more than smaller cities, even small cities with good job markets. Take Huntsville, AL for example. Small city with a GOOD job market. But it's mostly a "raise your family" type city and as result you have a lot of dead nights.

This is totally OT, but what’s going on in Huntsville besides NASA? Just curious

Huntsville clubs increased their prices across all the clubs. The same man owns all the Pony Clubs in Huntsville (that includes Rocket City and Uncle Buck).

the $100 VIP is now $150. basically everything is between 25 to 50 percent higher.

The independent clubs still have the same prices as far as I know.