Saw it, raises a lot of questions that a lot of powerful forces don’t want asked. What has happened in Minneapolis and many other major cities is a tragedy, triggered by a false narrative. I also recommend the documentary.
Powerful stuff. It is scary how hard the government and media will work, with a corrupted and unjust judiciary, to hide the truth and railroad innocent people.
Sounds like just a bunch of dishonest ranting. Chauvin, rather than simply execute an arrest, tortured someone under color of law. In such a severe way, that the torture was the proximate (not the only) cause of the victim's death. Not right or legal, no matter how good or bad of a guy the victim was. Along with Floyd's record, does the "documentary" cover Chauvin's history of civilian complaints against him?
What's an example of a good municipal government in the US? Or anywhere? Minneapolis is probably pretty middling.
Anyone who saw the George Floyd video from the beginning, the one where he starts saying he can't breathe before the cops even asked him for identification understands what happened. Derek Chauvin was a bad guy and got what he deserved, just like George Floyd. George Floyd lied and resisted; oh well. Don't resist and you're still alive the next day. Of course, even the stupidest criminals, well except for George Floyd know the cardinal rule of crime: when caught, fucking run away. The store owner only called the cops because the violent felon sat in his car across the street. My town has great municipal government. Top .06% in cost versus academic achievement in the country, second lowest tax rate in our county, with the generally acknowledged best town services in the area, cheap electricity, cable, phone and internet, because we all own it, and if any ton service makes a profit, it goes into the town scholarship fund. Red town in an ocean of blue.
This wasn't a penalty at all. It was an unfortunate incident, caused by an out-of-control felon, who after a lifetime of crime and prison should have known better. I guess being a drug addict took over his mind and as a result he failed to act like a career criminal and cooperate. Hed' have been bailed the next day. George's community seems to have a lot of parents who think that teaching their kids to question and confront the police over everything is a good idea. I grew up in the projects, but my parents taught me to never smart off to the cops, never resist, never fight back, just let the cops commit their crimes against me and we'd deal with it in court, because I would still be alive. Including traffic stops I have over 100 police interactions lifetime, with an embarrassing amount occurring after I turned 60, but I always come out fine, even if it means going to court in a trailer on Easter Sunday while in leg chains, chained to other people. Ahh Floriduh.
@ski so you live in a socialist red town that owns service providers that are private in most places? Any affordable housing in your town?
Floyd committed a violent felony and did his time (perhaps not enough). After he got out, his "crimes" were use of controlled substances I believe. He resisted arrest, but he didn't attempt to harm the arresting officers. But, none of that is relevant to the fact that a cop tortured him in an extreme way that lead to his death. Perhaps similar to the case where a cop unnecessarily tased a guy with a heart condition, resulting in his death. Or, is your rule, when cops decide to choke someone, they're allowed to assume the person is in good health?
What is George's community? If you agree Chauvin is a criminal, what exactly is your beef? That people don't want to speak ill of the dead? That's not unusual. Why do you have so many "interactions" with the cops if you live in such a great town?
The video shows George Floyd repeatedly telling the police that he can't breathe and he's claustrophobic. Yet the police continued their efforts to shove George Floyd (who was in handcuffs) into the back seat of a police cruiser. And it also seemed that George Floyd was having some type of panic attack. The police erred. They should have immediately backed off and allowed George Floyd to remain out on the sidewalk until EMS arrived.
As outlined in the documentary, the cops recognized that Floyd had serious medical issues, and requested EMS very early in their interaction with him. However, EMS went to the wrong address, and was significantly delayed. Had they arrived in a reasonable time, he likely would have survived. Also, he starts his “I can’t breath” chant long before he is on the ground under Chauvin. His death was a perfect storm of bad circumstances and decisions by Floyd and the cops.
If you choke somebody, that's deadly force. It's against the law for police to use deadly force except to prevent the death or injury of themselves or others. It's really just that simple.
The reason this case caused the national reaction that it did was, if a passerby had not happened to film the murder, Chauvin probably would have gotten away with it. If that doesn't make you doubt your life matters in America, that's because you think people like Chauvin would be OK with you.
The town I lived in voted to own certain infrastructure items, such as cable and internet. If you use the dictionary term of socialism, we are socialist in the same way our forefathers did barn raisings. If you use the definition of socialist today, we're not close since we all have a say, are not a one-party town and the government doesn't tell us what to think, unlike the Democratic party view of socialism. I am unaware of affordable housing in my town although we border a major city and share a low-income housing project. We do have an elderly housing complex. George Floyd's community is the gang of leftists who never do anything wrong. It's always someone else's fault. There is never personal responsibility and people who live law-abiding lives are there to be abused by those on the left. George Floyd was a violent, useless leech. The idea we'd have a major law passed under his name is revolting. Sorry someone in ill health decided it was time to do hard drugs, commit a felony, not run away and then resist arrest, but hey its always someone else's fault. The idea the looting, burning stealing and crimes committed in his name are ok, but January 6 is bad is fucking stupid. Chauvin was convicted. Floyd was a crud. Story over. What Chauvin did wouldn't happen to me because I wouldn't do what Floyd did. AS far as my interactions with cops? Has jack shit to do with my great town. Only time I have had cop interaction in my town was when we hosted a swinger party out by the pppl and a new guy got so fucking excited he had a coronary. Other than that I grew up in the projects so I ran into a lot of cops; we all had fast cars as kids and drank so we had a lot of interactions; and for 22 years I have been driving a Subaru WRX which is the most ticketed car in the country by far, so I get stopped a lot. To be fair I drive very fast, and thats the number 1 problem. I have 52 written warnings in my glove compartment and considerthem souveniers. Thats why I have a lot of cop interactions, crime, drugs, alcohol, just like other thugs.
Ilb the IL lib does not seem tobhave watched the documentary. He sucks to the privet false narrative that Fflloyd was choked and tortured. Watching the full video, it was clearly a lawful restraint that should not have resulted in harm to the perp. Fflloyd was a loser who died from a bad diet, unhealthy lifestyle, and drug use. That cops were present at the time of his death is incidental. The most plausible argument one could make is that the arrival of police spurred him to ingest the drugs on his person and elevate his blood pressure and heart rate to the point where he suffered cardiac arrest. That doea not make the cops responsible for his death. Fflloyd refused to go in the back of the cruiser, so holding him on the sidewalk was responsible. You have to hold down a violent, resistant, convicted criminal to protect that criminal, the officers, and the gawkers. Fflloyd said he could not breathe from the moment he saw cops. He cried wolf. Regardless, the.cops did the right thing and called EMS less than a minute after taking him into custody. There was no torture. There was no choking. Fflloyd was an out of control monster without who the world is a safer place. I haven't finished the video, but it is beginning to appear that Chauvin is innocent of the charges against him. Watch the video. It's all documented. I'm horrified that so many are ignoring this obvious truth.
Be very slow to conclude anything about a controversial event can is "proven". A lot (probably most) of the claims about it will be attempts by people to spin it to their pre-conceived ideas.
Are you claiming this video is a deepfake or something: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGCFHQ4y… . Is Chauvin just caressing Floyd's neck with his knee? How does your wonderful "documentary" explain this video?
I never understood the logic of choosing a criminal like George Floyd as the hill for the progressive movement to make their stand. Yep he was choked by Chauvin, and the conservatives using a creep like Derek Chauvin as their own hill to push back on makes just as little sense. As far as I’m concerned neither side has a strong case , this is just a tragedy of losers.
Ilb, your video is meaningless. The autopsy proved that fflloyd died from cardiac arrest due to pre-existing cardiac illness, poor health, and drug intoxication - NOT asphyxiation or neck trauma.
Yeah every government agency in a progressive area is honest. Cops kneel on the neck of bad guys so pretty much everyone here is safe. If Chauvin had been black and George Floyd white it wouldn't have even made the newspapers, let alone served as the basis of government approved urban terrorism.
I won’t say how I know this other than I have close friends who have worked with Chauvin, and as is typical in public safety work you get personality types that can seek a power trip. It is such a common trait that it is known in the circles as a given, everyone has a level of power they want to hold.
Floyd ran in the same circles as Chauvin, even working security together briefly. In their neighborhood they crossed each other often and it was known Floyd was dealing in the neighborhood Chauvin patrolled. Anyway, they were opposites profession-wise, but similar proximity wise. Floyd took it personally to be able to get around the law, and Chauvin took it personally when Floyd interacted within the same neighborhood, dealing. This happens to everyone, regardless of ethnicity. What ended as a bad result (death)from two men who hated each other really had norhing to do about race, because it was about 2 men who had a long standing rivalry with each other and bitter feelings towards each other. Somehow the media and local officials let this misfortunate occurrence become more than what it was, 2 fucking ego-maniacal freaks engaging in battle. They both got what was coming to them.
Did Floyd deserve to die? No. Did Chauvin deserve to get stabbed in prison? No But they both made decisions that put them in a bad situation. The media loves to create a narrative, and the summer of covid was very ripe for something to do since the world was in lockdown. Many stars had to align to allow this unfortunate incident to transpire. Through all the bad, it did create awareness for race relations and consequences for thug behavior. When you get older, you tend to avoid stupid drama that the media hypes.
@ski that was my point, Minneapolis is not unique in having greasy people running things. We can agree to disagree if cops kneeling on peoples necks leads to nice neighborhoods.
Sharpton tried to call media attention to a white guy in Arkansas, who was killed by the police. The reverse-racism claims are just a distraction from actually recognizing the problem.
If you sucker punched a guy in the gut, and it caused liver failure, leading to his death, that would be murder. If the guy's liver was already in a bad state, because he was an alcoholic, you'd still be guilty of murder. No matter how bad the rumors or gossip about the dead guy, it would still be murder. Chauvin is not being singled out here. He's just not being given the pass that police officers, or white people, or rich people often get when they illegally use violence on civilians, or black people, or poor people.
Whether or not Floyd hated Chauvin, he at no time attempted to harm any police officer during this incident.
Ironically, Chauvin's stabbing shows why guys like Floyd often come out of prison worse than when they went in. You learn that the rules of the criminal gangs affect your life more than the rules of the government. If the government can protect a high profile inmate, nobody can see them as the real authority in prison.
If you punched someone in the gut and they died it wouldn't be murder at all. First degree murder requires a specific intent to kill someone and a punch to the gut isn't close. Not even a second degree murder case because the act could not be reasonably believed by the ordinary person to be an act one knew or should have known would cause death. On the civil side it would be wrongful death, at least in Massachusetts, because in civil law you take your victim as you find them. As far as this being a race issue: total bullshit. Just a scam. This is a crime issue. You should check out the racial statistics on what group commits the largest percentage of violent crimes and then you would understand why certain people die at the hands of the police. Al Sharpton is scum and a publicity hound so pretending he'd do a damn thing to help a white guy is fucking amazing. They should have just tased him 2 minutes into the encounter. I feel zero sorrow for any of those involved, police, Floyd, the store owner etc.
@ski yup a reasonable person would know punching someone in the gut may cause their death. You don't, which explains why, when you say anything that isn't bullshit, it's only through random chance. You are effectively saying, if a cop kill a black person, you can just assume they had it coming. And that's saying their life doesn't matter.
I watched the documentary tonight. It’s long - about one hour and 42 minutes. Everyone should take the time to watch it. Think of it as 3 VIP sessions out of your life.
Mayor Jacob Frey, the police chief, the trial judge, the AG should be strung up by their balls.
3 to 4 times the lethal dose of Fentanyl in his system. If Floyd had died at home instead of on the street, it would have been ruled an OD and none of us would have heard about it.
Ilb the IL lib can add illiterate to his list of alliterations. Nowhere in the ME report does it state that cops caused his death. It quite plainly states that there were no life-threatening injuries. My point stands - cops didn't cause his death. Innocent cops were railroaded. fflloyd was responsible for his own death and criminals capitalized on that death to advance themselves and their agenda. Keep drinkin' that kool-aid, though, it's makes it easier for guys like me to stay ahead of guys like you.
Illbaccini - No reasonable person would suspect a punch in the gut would kill anyone, only some limp dicked pussy who has never been in a fight. You are such a little girl. Call me racist all you like. Nothing a progressive cunt like you says means a damn thing. Like all progressives you are a weakling and a loser. I look at you I see the same vermin fucking up people's travel plans in support of hamas. George Floyd comes from the single most racist community on earth. A community where nothing other than race matters and where everything is determined by the color of one's skin. A community where white jewish people help and die for blacks in their battle for civil rights and then when hamas murders them black people march to support hamas because they are brown. By the way by mischaracterizing the report you prove to be ignorant and a liar.
If nothing else, the documentary presented some facts that the MSM never reported on. One needs to watch the body cam footage from the beginning. Floyd resisted and failed to comply from the moment police approached his vehicle.
There’s photographic proof Floyd ate or ingested or tried to swallow some kind of street drug.
This arrest was eerily similar to his arrest a year earlier. It was almost identical. Police approached his vehicle and he was immediately non-compliant. He swallowed fentanyl and his blood pressure spiked to 216/168. Only this time the paramedics got there quickly and transported him to the hospital.
@ilbbaicnl, that sounds like more than one blow, that the girl was being tortured for a long time. We need to bring back bring hanged, drawn, and quartered for people like that.
@mh MSM did report Floyd was non-compliant. If you use deadly force on a 100-year-old guy, and he dies, you can't get off by claiming there's a good chance he would have died anyway.
Why not look at the other (more relevant) unanswered questions? Was the $20 really counterfeit? Did the clerk or the cops ever say "give us back the cigs, well give you your $20 back, and it's settled"? Don't be so quick to conclude that Floyd had no reason to think he was being railroaded. Ideally, he should be able to trust the courts, and that police misconduct would be dealt with by the system. If you think that's reality, you're living in a dream world, or just arguing in bad faith.
@Pud I guess Chauvin's defense should have been that he though you needed to kneel on someone's neck for 10 minutes to kill them, so he stopped at 9 minutes.
Ilbbacini - How fucking stupid can you be? Your example was one punch in the stomach not starving your child to 50 pounds and constantly beating them so they are covered in old wounds. Wtf is wrong with you, are you really so fucking progressive that you're actually dumber than a rock? Do you even fucking understand that facts matter and the article you cited isn;t even close? Seriously douche, get some help you miserable bastard. Oh, how silly of me, all you did was read the headline, cut and paste.
@ski " No reasonable person would suspect a punch in the gut would kill anyone". Don't hurt your back moving the goal post dude.
Come on Bubbles, let ski and gammanutjob type up all their incoherent ravings. They have to keep their fingers in good shape for giving Cheetolini handjobs.
—>“Floyd ran in the same circles as Chauvin, even working security together briefly. In their neighborhood they crossed each other often and it was known Floyd was dealing in the neighborhood Chauvin patrolled. Anyway, they were opposites profession-wise, but similar proximity wise.”
It would have been over three years ago or so, but I remember reading some news publication that speculated that the two had to have crossed paths sometime before. I can believe what Mate heard through the grapevine and that makes sense to me.
The person selling booze at the corner store is "dealing". The key issue is whether a person is a violent aggressor, not the case with everyone who is "dealing". Dealers and strippers can relate. Dealers break the law, strippers at least skirt with the boundaries of it. In the best cases, both provide a little harmless recreation that makes someone's life a little better. Access to dealers is dubiously good to someone who's struggling with a substance dependency. Access to strippers is dubiously good for someone struggling to be faithful to an SO.
In any case, how nice of a guy Floyd was wasn't is not relevant. The issue is whether the police should use gratuitous violence, especially when it's life-threatening violence, against minorities or anybody. If you claim it wasn't gratuitous, Floyd had it coming, everyone has a constitutional right to trial by jury, not trial by cop.
“everyone has a constitutional right to trial by jury, not trial by cop”
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Have you watched the documentary? Everyone also has a constitutional right to a trial where judges follow the law in rulings and witnesses tell the truth.
I could spend all my waking hours the rest of my life reading some book, or watching some "documentary", that claims to expose some vast conspiracy. Since, to believe this film, you have to think the video of deadly force being used is "meaningless", I have to think it's almost certainly crackpot bullshit. If Chauvin didn't get his due process rights, why wasn't the case thrown out on appeal? If you're then going to say the appeals courts are in on the conspiracy, that's a bigger problem than just one city. And, as they say, claims of an all-powerful conspiracy can not possibly be proven false (even though they probably are). Any evidence that there is not a conspiracy is just answered by claims that the conspiracy is so powerful it can falsify or suppress any evidence it wants too.
@Mate your official cancellation of the thread is officially cancelled!!! And any official cancellation of the cancellation of thread is officially cancelled!!!
From reading this, https://apnews.com/article/was-officer-k… , it seems the MPD played a role by considering neck restraint to be non-lethal force. But at best that's some kind of Nuremberg defense. Anyone knows, if you apply enough pressure to someone's neck for enough time, it will kill them. If you only want to apply limited pressure so someone's neck, you don't kneel on it.
Is it a conspiracy theory to state Libby ape spends countless hours daily of his life commenting on tuscl threads because he lacks validation and meaning elsewhere? Also, he self admits to paying women half his age for companionship and sex while being a hideous fat ass, so is it a conspiracy thinking that variable adds to his attention seeking affirmations to justify his political bias? Maybe, maybe not; it’s just an opinion so who gives a fuck?
Liz Collin is the reporter and lead investigator of this documentary. She also happens to be married to the Minneapolis police Union leader Bob Kroll, who was known to overtly racist and an adversary to all local politicians like attorney general Ellison, Governor Walz, police Chief Arrendando, and the Judge pressing over the trial. So it can be said that there is a huge political bias in how this documentary came about while showing the other side of the story from the police’s view. The biggest thing to point out is Liz Collin tried to stick to the facts as much as possible, and did a great job. Minneapolis has a very polarizing political climate for years, and they used mob mentality to their advantage. That’s Libby ape’s justification to cry “conspiracy theory”, because he is in the side of the mob.
Now we can officially close this discussion, and I mean it now!!
Unfortunately you'll need to organize a vast conspiracy, or at least one including founder, if you want to "officially" close threads.
To falsely convict Chauvin (because his defense was well-financed by crowd-funding) would require the collusion of the coroner and staff, the prosecutor and staff, the trial judge, multiple levels of appellate court judges. Do you know what the definition of conspiracy is?
The chances of Chauvin being falsely convicted are bigger than one thing. They're bigger than the chances of me being the only TUSCL member paying women half his age for companionship and sex while being a hideous fat ass. But, if we do have contests someday for fattest and most hideous, I'll be a contender for sure. rickthelion would have to be consulted, but I believe he is the only non-ape on TUSCL.
I haven't and don't assert that the government of Minneapolis is good. I merely said it's typical of the pattern of bad government that we see around the world and throughout history. Not seen a reason to think it's a stand-out, in a worse or better direction.
Is Chauvin supposed to be some Dirty Harry type figure, standing up against a corrupt bureaucracy? Is so, why wasn't the huge list of civilian complaints against him used to get rid of him long ago? The best information indicates he was an enthusiastic participant in a corrupt bureaucracy. He was thrown under the bus, but not in the sense that his punishment was overly harsh. Only in the sense that his corrupt cronies tried to make him out as one bad apple, to cover their own asses.
As far as the "mob" goes, we should acknowledge that 90+% of the Floyd protesters, and 90+% of the Jan 6 protesters, were law abiding. The people, on either side, who don't want to acknowledge that are the ones we should all be scared of.
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Like a dog that returns to its vomit, a failed inner city returns to progressive governance.
What's an example of a good municipal government in the US? Or anywhere? Minneapolis is probably pretty middling.
My town has great municipal government. Top .06% in cost versus academic achievement in the country, second lowest tax rate in our county, with the generally acknowledged best town services in the area, cheap electricity, cable, phone and internet, because we all own it, and if any ton service makes a profit, it goes into the town scholarship fund. Red town in an ocean of blue.
Floyd committed a violent felony and did his time (perhaps not enough). After he got out, his "crimes" were use of controlled substances I believe. He resisted arrest, but he didn't attempt to harm the arresting officers. But, none of that is relevant to the fact that a cop tortured him in an extreme way that lead to his death. Perhaps similar to the case where a cop unnecessarily tased a guy with a heart condition, resulting in his death. Or, is your rule, when cops decide to choke someone, they're allowed to assume the person is in good health?
What is George's community? If you agree Chauvin is a criminal, what exactly is your beef? That people don't want to speak ill of the dead? That's not unusual. Why do you have so many "interactions" with the cops if you live in such a great town?
The reason this case caused the national reaction that it did was, if a passerby had not happened to film the murder, Chauvin probably would have gotten away with it. If that doesn't make you doubt your life matters in America, that's because you think people like Chauvin would be OK with you.
George Floyd's community is the gang of leftists who never do anything wrong. It's always someone else's fault. There is never personal responsibility and people who live law-abiding lives are there to be abused by those on the left. George Floyd was a violent, useless leech. The idea we'd have a major law passed under his name is revolting. Sorry someone in ill health decided it was time to do hard drugs, commit a felony, not run away and then resist arrest, but hey its always someone else's fault. The idea the looting, burning stealing and crimes committed in his name are ok, but January 6 is bad is fucking stupid. Chauvin was convicted. Floyd was a crud. Story over. What Chauvin did wouldn't happen to me because I wouldn't do what Floyd did.
AS far as my interactions with cops? Has jack shit to do with my great town. Only time I have had cop interaction in my town was when we hosted a swinger party out by the pppl and a new guy got so fucking excited he had a coronary. Other than that I grew up in the projects so I ran into a lot of cops; we all had fast cars as kids and drank so we had a lot of interactions; and for 22 years I have been driving a Subaru WRX which is the most ticketed car in the country by far, so I get stopped a lot. To be fair I drive very fast, and thats the number 1 problem. I have 52 written warnings in my glove compartment and considerthem souveniers. Thats why I have a lot of cop interactions, crime, drugs, alcohol, just like other thugs.
Fflloyd refused to go in the back of the cruiser, so holding him on the sidewalk was responsible.
You have to hold down a violent, resistant, convicted criminal to protect that criminal, the officers, and the gawkers.
Fflloyd said he could not breathe from the moment he saw cops. He cried wolf. Regardless, the.cops did the right thing and called EMS less than a minute after taking him into custody.
There was no torture.
There was no choking.
Fflloyd was an out of control monster without who the world is a safer place.
I haven't finished the video, but it is beginning to appear that Chauvin is innocent of the charges against him.
Watch the video. It's all documented. I'm horrified that so many are ignoring this obvious truth.
* sticks to the proven false
Are you claiming this video is a deepfake or something: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGCFHQ4y… . Is Chauvin just caressing Floyd's neck with his knee? How does your wonderful "documentary" explain this video?
Yep he was choked by Chauvin, and the conservatives using a creep like Derek Chauvin as their own hill to push back on makes just as little sense.
As far as I’m concerned neither side has a strong case , this is just a tragedy of losers.
Quote: homicide due to “cardiopulmonary arrest” from “law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression.”
I'm guessing if a cop kneeled on your own neck, you wouldn't think it was "meaningless".
Floyd ran in the same circles as Chauvin, even working security together briefly. In their neighborhood they crossed each other often and it was known Floyd was dealing in the neighborhood Chauvin patrolled. Anyway, they were opposites profession-wise, but similar proximity wise. Floyd took it personally to be able to get around the law, and Chauvin took it personally when Floyd interacted within the same neighborhood, dealing. This happens to everyone, regardless of ethnicity. What ended as a bad result (death)from two men who hated each other really had norhing to do about race, because it was about 2 men who had a long standing rivalry with each other and bitter feelings towards each other. Somehow the media and local officials let this misfortunate occurrence become more than what it was, 2 fucking ego-maniacal freaks engaging in battle. They both got what was coming to them.
Did Floyd deserve to die? No.
Did Chauvin deserve to get stabbed in prison? No
But they both made decisions that put them in a bad situation. The media loves to create a narrative, and the summer of covid was very ripe for something to do since the world was in lockdown. Many stars had to align to allow this unfortunate incident to transpire. Through all the bad, it did create awareness for race relations and consequences for thug behavior. When you get older, you tend to avoid stupid drama that the media hypes.
Sharpton tried to call media attention to a white guy in Arkansas, who was killed by the police. The reverse-racism claims are just a distraction from actually recognizing the problem.
If you sucker punched a guy in the gut, and it caused liver failure, leading to his death, that would be murder. If the guy's liver was already in a bad state, because he was an alcoholic, you'd still be guilty of murder. No matter how bad the rumors or gossip about the dead guy, it would still be murder. Chauvin is not being singled out here. He's just not being given the pass that police officers, or white people, or rich people often get when they illegally use violence on civilians, or black people, or poor people.
Whether or not Floyd hated Chauvin, he at no time attempted to harm any police officer during this incident.
Ironically, Chauvin's stabbing shows why guys like Floyd often come out of prison worse than when they went in. You learn that the rules of the criminal gangs affect your life more than the rules of the government. If the government can protect a high profile inmate, nobody can see them as the real authority in prison.
As far as this being a race issue: total bullshit. Just a scam. This is a crime issue. You should check out the racial statistics on what group commits the largest percentage of violent crimes and then you would understand why certain people die at the hands of the police. Al Sharpton is scum and a publicity hound so pretending he'd do a damn thing to help a white guy is fucking amazing.
They should have just tased him 2 minutes into the encounter. I feel zero sorrow for any of those involved, police, Floyd, the store owner etc.
Mayor Jacob Frey, the police chief, the trial judge, the AG should be strung up by their balls.
3 to 4 times the lethal dose of Fentanyl in his system. If Floyd had died at home instead of on the street, it would have been ruled an OD and none of us would have heard about it.
There’s photographic proof Floyd ate or ingested or tried to swallow some kind of street drug.
This arrest was eerily similar to his arrest a year earlier. It was almost identical. Police approached his vehicle and he was immediately non-compliant. He swallowed fentanyl and his blood pressure spiked to 216/168. Only this time the paramedics got there quickly and transported him to the hospital.
Why not look at the other (more relevant) unanswered questions? Was the $20 really counterfeit? Did the clerk or the cops ever say "give us back the cigs, well give you your $20 back, and it's settled"? Don't be so quick to conclude that Floyd had no reason to think he was being railroaded. Ideally, he should be able to trust the courts, and that police misconduct would be dealt with by the system. If you think that's reality, you're living in a dream world, or just arguing in bad faith.
Come on Bubbles, let ski and gammanutjob type up all their incoherent ravings. They have to keep their fingers in good shape for giving Cheetolini handjobs.
—>“Floyd ran in the same circles as Chauvin, even working security together briefly. In their neighborhood they crossed each other often and it was known Floyd was dealing in the neighborhood Chauvin patrolled. Anyway, they were opposites profession-wise, but similar proximity wise.”
It would have been over three years ago or so, but I remember reading some news publication that speculated that the two had to have crossed paths sometime before. I can believe what Mate heard through the grapevine and that makes sense to me.
In any case, how nice of a guy Floyd was wasn't is not relevant. The issue is whether the police should use gratuitous violence, especially when it's life-threatening violence, against minorities or anybody. If you claim it wasn't gratuitous, Floyd had it coming, everyone has a constitutional right to trial by jury, not trial by cop.
Now this discussion is officially closed, Libby ape!
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Have you watched the documentary? Everyone also has a constitutional right to a trial where judges follow the law in rulings and witnesses tell the truth.
Liz Collin is the reporter and lead investigator of this documentary. She also happens to be married to the Minneapolis police Union leader Bob Kroll, who was known to overtly racist and an adversary to all local
politicians like attorney general Ellison, Governor Walz, police Chief Arrendando, and the Judge pressing over the trial. So it can be said that there is a huge political bias in how this documentary came about while showing the other side of the story from the police’s view. The biggest thing to point out is Liz Collin tried to stick to the facts as much as possible, and did a great job. Minneapolis has a very polarizing political climate for years, and they used mob mentality to their advantage. That’s Libby ape’s justification to cry “conspiracy theory”, because he is in the side of the mob.
Now we can officially close this discussion, and I mean it now!!
To falsely convict Chauvin (because his defense was well-financed by crowd-funding) would require the collusion of the coroner and staff, the prosecutor and staff, the trial judge, multiple levels of appellate court judges. Do you know what the definition of conspiracy is?
The chances of Chauvin being falsely convicted are bigger than one thing. They're bigger than the chances of me being the only TUSCL member paying women half his age for companionship and sex while being a hideous fat ass. But, if we do have contests someday for fattest and most hideous, I'll be a contender for sure. rickthelion would have to be consulted, but I believe he is the only non-ape on TUSCL.
I haven't and don't assert that the government of Minneapolis is good. I merely said it's typical of the pattern of bad government that we see around the world and throughout history. Not seen a reason to think it's a stand-out, in a worse or better direction.
Is Chauvin supposed to be some Dirty Harry type figure, standing up against a corrupt bureaucracy? Is so, why wasn't the huge list of civilian complaints against him used to get rid of him long ago? The best information indicates he was an enthusiastic participant in a corrupt bureaucracy. He was thrown under the bus, but not in the sense that his punishment was overly harsh. Only in the sense that his corrupt cronies tried to make him out as one bad apple, to cover their own asses.
As far as the "mob" goes, we should acknowledge that 90+% of the Floyd protesters, and 90+% of the Jan 6 protesters, were law abiding. The people, on either side, who don't want to acknowledge that are the ones we should all be scared of.