Your Biggest Challenge of All Time at The Club

That is pretty brutal. I was going to comment on an experience, but it's small town shit relative to your example.

So let's this chick works 25 weeks per year. She expects you to believe that she makes $500k per year as a stripper? I don't buy it. I say fuck her and the horse she rode in on. Don't let her shake your confidence. Plenty of dancers are all too happy to move the action OTC.

@himalaya exactly, definitely didn’t buy it at all, and didn’t shake my confidence - I’m a big boy, actually found it a tad funny afterwards . I was just a bit taken aback at that moment. It was just abrupt considering all the fun I’ve had over the past 3 months ITC. However, once I mention OTC - she got offended at the implication (which really wasn’t). Yet she was all for and acted on the implications I made ITC. 🤷 . Never had that happen.

I've been in the situation of losing a good one. But, that loss is forgotten as long as you keep casting your net and find one or two others. May take a bit, but it will happen. This experience might be for the best in the long run. You might find something better. If not, you will have fun searching.

@Himalayabound
Agreed, i saw 20k per week and thought that’s a hustle right there.

If she were making 20k a week with sex work alone she wouldn't be stripping publicly at a club, she'd be a high class escort passing as a citizen for some rich guy.
It's more likely that an e-girl and with brand deal with some company could be pulling that kind of money, but again she wouldn't be a stripper.

Don't let her shake you or your confidence in the method. Annual mean incomes have been dropping steadily for the last decade and thus more hustlers will enter the scene and most will want to escort to min-max their time in the hustle.

I wouldn’t even give a shit about whether she makes 20K a week. The fact she reacted that way just because you asked about OTC you tells me you are better off looking for somebody else

@SquareCastle

I will play along and comment on your discussion.

You wrote and I quote:

“she pretty much gives me everything I need and then some when I visit.

A few weeks ago, decided to ask her on an OTC date all expenses paid before my flight back to California”

If she was really giving you (ITC) “everything you need and then some”, you wouldn’t want/need more (OTC), but maybe you need/want “more”.

You don’t say what/how you asked for OTC, however it looks that you asked for a paid for sexual encounter like asking a street walker or a prostitute and she reacted offended.

If you had asked; what do you think/know about sugaring/SeekingArrangement you might have received a different reaction.

You can, in my humble opinion and limited experience, proceed in two different way:

1. next visit act as if this didn’t happen (like George Constanza in Seinfeld when he quit) and go back to the ITC situation.
2. Next time, or if you have her cell number, just let her know that you made a mistake and apologize for your faux pas, because you are human and Al for her forgiveness.

In any case just let her know that you respect her “boundaries”.

You have to make her comfortable about herself.

What has worked for me is to just let her know that she can be sure that I am a fun, funny, mature professional gentleman who can provide and protect her “and her children” and that can be trusted to be sane, safe and disease free.

Then is just a matter of time before she takes the initiative and brings her own deal/situation for OTC, sugar baby, trophy girlfriend, mistress etc, whatever works best for her.

Just don’t buy things you can’t afford, economically, mentally, emotionally, socially, legally, etc etc etc

Let’s be careful out there.

And remember Pics and Vids or it didn’t happen.

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A whore is a whore, regardless of price. It amuses me when a girl thinks she is "above" other girls, yet engages in the same activities, just for a higher price. Sure, babe....you're not a prostitute...banging guys as a sugar baby is all above board.

All fair points, CJ, but for me, if I need to work at finessing a girl to get what I want, I'll pursue a civvie.

If that girl actually did pull in $20k the prior week, and didn't obtain it from selling a car, or dumpster diving at a business and finding the receipt, I doubt that she made that amount by simply giving shoulder massages.

give it time. good chance she'll come back to you if you were a good customer.

@CJ Kent - All viable points. just to clarify, when I said, she gives me everything that I need and then some, I meant in the realm of ITC. However, I wanted to experience those things in the realm of OTC, devoid of any of the external distractions one often finds at a club (loud music, faint/loud conversations outside etc). Sure, in retrospect, my presentation may have been better (for her echelon ); to be exact, in so many words I asked “how about dinner and a room tonight?”. Which is a fair inference on my end based on my preceding experiences ITC and the gregarious chatter we’ve had before hand, and most of the time this question merits a “sure”, sometimes a “not at this time” - but never the above. Could’ve caught her at the wrong time, and by “room” that does imply short term and not overnight as my flight was a red eye but it would’ve given me adequate time otherwise. Since I take things at face value at the SC and in general, I wasn’t the least bit offended nor did I get mad, I just second guessed my timing and overall approach - that’s all. I respect her decision/outburst and will as you put it, forget like it ever happened and simply deal with the subsequent results.

However, since I’m rather direct anyways and because I believe in the power of sincerity, I will not apologize via text or in any other fashion as that would be ingratiating and counter productive for obvious reasons. I’ll try again when I’m in town next month and see what happens. And I do agree with fun^, yes a “whore is a whore”, although I prefer more politically correct nomenclatures. Where the 20k came from on that deposit slip is really not much of a concern although it was an amusing tactic. Whatever she’s doing, I wish her continued success. Hopefully her one of next deposit slips involves some of my money. And if not, 🤷‍♂️, on to the next 1.

Who knows how much money she makes, and does anyone really care? She sounds like a major prima donna with GPS, and an obvious personality disorder, me I’d avoid her, there are so many pretty girls here that are fun and easy to get along with, I don’t waste my time on that type.

My biggest challenge at every club has always been the same: What the fuck am I doing here and why.

@25 - yeah, she’s definitely crazy which ironically is probably why she’s so good ITC. The crazy ones always are. Call me a glutton for punishment but those are the best ones - like eating a deep fried twinkie. Undeniably bad, undeniably tasty. But you roll with it.

Was this a Square Castle humble brag ? Anyway, here's my good - bad - ugly story joke:

Good: Proud father has a good looking bright teenage daughter .
Bad: He finds out that she's not a virgin anymore.
Ugly: He finds out that she hooks on the side.
Real Ugly: She makes more money than he does.

@minnow - heard that one before. yes, definitely a humble brag but I can also be self deprecating at times as well ;).

The bank teller must get pissed counting all those singles week after week.

@SquareCastle

What she said to you, and I quote;

“Does it really look like I need your money outside the club?”

This should be your clue that she needs/wants something else, in addition to money of course.

She doesn’t want/need YOUR money, she gets money from other sources; Really wealthy Sugar Daddies who for them $20,000 is like $2 for you and some in tuscl, Instagram/Only fans/etc.

The reality is that women cannot easily separate sexual relations from the need for “emotional attachment”, that sense of connection and affection women may feel for people/men that “get close” to them.

Women feel safer when they are with a man they have developed a relationship/connection that they believe can trust is going to make sure they are safe comfortable and taken care of.

Like I said, what has worked for me was to develop a relationship/emotional connection with the girl.

I do this, because that’s more or less how I found my ATF baby stripper. After seeing her for a couple of months and a couple of VIP sessions, where we behaved like a couple of teenagers in a date without chaperone.

I asked her, if she would be willing to meet outside the club and eliminate the middle man, the club, and we both would get a better deal.

She initially said that she didn’t do that, but a few days later she texted me asking if I was still interested in meeting outside the club.

I texted her back of course I am still interested.

We developed a discreet Sugar Baby type of relationship where we had OTC almost every week for more than two years.

I would pick her up on Sunday afternoon, get an hotel room and make love, massage each other, have room service sometimes we would go to dinner to a nice, discreet place.

I have thousands of pictures of her modeling cute sexy outfits I got for her. Around Halloween she was slave princesses Lea from Star Wars, Dallas Cowboy Cheerleader, Playboy Bunny. Around Christmas a sexy Miss Santa, naughty school girl...

Like I said she was a baby stripper when we meet, very beautiful, sweet, shy, innocent and nice, the sex got better and better because she was more comfortable and felt safe l, relaxed and was able to let herself go and enjoy it, I enjoyed it too, she would experience multiple orgasms and was very shy and sweet about it.

Sometimes she would spend the night and would fall a sleep with her head on my chest like the little angel she was.

She texted me one last time letting me know she was moving on and thanking me for the relationship...

She was worth every penny and every second I spent on/with her.

Thank you for making me remember the good times.

@CJ Kent - Glad I helped you conjure up old memories. Seems like you guys had a special connection, and like I always say, who am I to judge. However, on that same token, sugaring relationships are not my modus operandi. And yes, I understand the psychology behind women that seek out sugar daddy relationships- which are typically women with deeply rooted daddy issues - or other peripheral emotional issues - but again, not my cup of tea. I’ve been with many dancers throughout the years who are able to compartmentalize, and they do it well. These women view their interactions more as a job/means to an end and not as a catalyst for emotional support. These women are more common than you think in this business - especially if you travel internationally (Eastern Europe, S.America). I just don’t have the time/need for emotional expenditures, which is why a good majority of men go to SCs in the first place. Although, many are seeking companionship as well (not my goal).

And yes, you could be right about the approach (it wasn’t cushioned), which is why I second guessed it and her incentives as well. True, they may not need my money, but they will always want my money . Whether that rings true with this dancer remains to be seen. I do find it strange that she’s still working the club circuit if she’s able making so much doing outside things - albeit not far fetched. However, if her mantra rules otc involves money along with emotional expenditure- then i’m just not her customer and I’ll move on accordingly. The beauty of this game is you can always try on different shoes until one fits.

@SquareCastle

I am just telling you what has worked for me based on what women naturally want/need regardless of nationality, culture, education and all the issues of modern times.

Woman naturally, instinctively need/want an Alpha Male, Provider, Protector, that can please her, make her laugh and make her climax.

In the bizarro world of Stripping many girls think of Richard Gere in the movie Pretty Woman as the “ideal candidate”…

Remember:

“In this country, you gotta make the money first.

Then when you get the money, you get the power.

Then when you get the power, then you get the women.”

~ Cuban refugee Tony Montana (Al Pacino) in the movie Scarface (1983)

If you show her that you are that kind of not only wealthy but also powerful man and develop a good relationship with her bein able to laugh and fell safe and comfortable your chances of OTC are better.

Just be careful out there’s

And remember Pics and Vids or it didn’t happen.

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I had to walk to the head past a really hot girl one time. She gave me a boner just by looking at me.

@SquareCastle

Serious advice, don't believe anything that homo cj says.
He posted that exact same memory post here on tuscl at least once before, maybe twice.
It's just a cut and paste reply variation of his cut and paste troll threads he starts here to piss people off and get a reaction.

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Remember children

"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser”

~ Socrates

Sore Losers: Making fun of them is even better than winning.

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@CJ …..yawn…. now now old man, be nice. Nobody was “slandering” you. Best of luck in your sugaring endeavors. If I’m a loser, you’re then you’re a winner.

@CJKent - disregard, thought you were talking to me 😂

Well cj, the fact that your response is just another cut and paste comment that you've posted multiple times in the past just proves what i said is true!

And while we're at it, you're always claiming Pics and Vids or it didn’t happen.
You claim to have thousands of pictures of your 'fake' atf modeling cute sexy outfits yet never offered to post even one. The only pics you posted in the past were stock photos grabbed off the net.

There is and never has been any debate with you, you're only here to incite and bait people into responding to your troll threads but if there ever will be a real debate, you will surely lose which is the only outcome to be expected of a loser troll.
Now go back to your dick pic collection, the only 'real' pics you possess, HOMO!

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Someone sound like someone who need help…

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@CJKent - Apropos to your statement, I’m comfortably above the median income bracket in the US but not filthy rich and there are many guys that have way more than me in liquid and assets.

I am lucky to have expendable cash but I’m a firm believer in understating your wealth in “sc bizarro world” otherwise you will be seen as a just another wealthy mark and resentments/high expectations can come from that. Case in point, I work in finance and made the mistake of telling that to an OTC partner. Let’s just say she expected more after that, and resentments started building up when I refused to deliver. This leads to bad service and lofty expectations as they think high income bracket should automatically mean more money for them.

Let them guess what you make based on whatever you negotiate and even then discretionary measures need to be in place so you’re not gouged. Reasonable is reasonable, but not at a 65 percent markup.

It's true cj, you definitely need help, help off this forum.
The sjcreep is gone, dipshitscrub is gone, icey is gone, I'm relishing the moment when Founder tires of your trolling and kicks you to the curb. Lol

@theeosu and all this time I thought CJKent was actually telling truth - I feel so betrayed. At least Dusty Bottoms hasn’t posted in a while.

@SquareCastle

My holy grail is:

OTC with a DS (Dream Stripper a real Dime anywhere in the world) that provides me with GFE and PSE, with NSA that is affordable, to me, so we both walk away happy, believing it was a Fair Trade and a win win experience.

I usually see my current favorite in a regular basis in order to build some healthy assurance in her part that I am a reliable, discreet, safe gentleman and little by little work on reaching my holy grail with her.

“All contents should be considered a work of fiction.”

© 1993-2023 the ultimate strip club list

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Unlike you cj, many of us don't have to make up fictional stories when we post here.

“All contents should be considered a work of fiction.”

© 1993-2023 the ultimate strip club list

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HOMO!

not fiction, FACT!

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Someone sound like someone who is projecting…

“projecting, the mental process by which people attribute to others what is in their own minds”

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Lol cj, another cut and paste comment from another thread where you've been correctly outed as a HOMO TROLL.
Well that's what we expect from a dick pic collecting HOMO TROLL that doesn't have the brain cells to gather an original thought. A dick pic collecting HOMO TROLL like you.

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Remember children

"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser”

~ Socrates

Sore Losers: Making fun of them is even better than winning.

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Regarding the 25 weeks a year post, why assume 25 weeks a year if she didnt say she works that much?

20k a week comes out to 1 million a year.

Theres no financial planners and no strippers making anywhere close to that. Even the super popular strippers in tourist cities still are probably getting 200k or 250k max. Even if that 20k deposit slip was from her financial planning job combined with stripping- theres still no way she’s getting that every week.

Is she very popular on social media and also does escorting? I could believe she pulls 20k a week if she has an instagram with millions of followers and charges $700+ an hour escorting… is it possible she robs people in the club like scams them often to pull in that much?

Thinking back to that recent thread about pickup lines, I think she would have melted if you just said “Let’s get a pizza and fuck!” What, you don’t like pizza???