Goldman Sachs Expects “Significant” Decline in US Inflation!

Not to rain on your self promotion parade. But inflation "forecasts" aren't always accurate. No one was forecasting bad inflation two years ago. And your other thread said that prices were dropping. Even this forecast is for less inflation, not deflation. In my business, I am still pushing thru very large price increases. And sales have not slowed at all. Businesses will increase prices when they think the customer is going to pay more. At least for now, the consumers are accepting the higher prices.

Lately most of the price increases seem to be motivated by greedy businesses trying to get as much as possible before the party ends for them. What excuses are frito lay , coke & Pepsi using to raise prices, gasoline prices also have decreased at the refineries yet the retail stations don’t drop the prices much of this pricing is pure greed by certain manufacturers and retailers. I go into Walmart lately and find items that I used to buy in Publix are usually from 10 -40% cheaper.

So you're celebrating an inflation forecast for a year out from a single investment banking firm, one btw that routinely modifies and outright changes its forecasts?

I'm no expert, but I'm going to hazard a guess that you don't work in any type of economic or other data analysis role in your day job. 😂

I'm not even going to get into why "core" PCE does not accurately reflect real price increases facing households. I'm going to let you think about it instead. Take all the time you need Mate. 😉

To get inflation down, interest rates will need to be high enough that it will throw the country into a serious recession. There will then be massive political pressure on the Fed to pivot. Either they will pivot, and we will return to higher inflation, or the recession will worsen. The next few years will be quite bad. We just don't know which way they will be bad in.

There’s nothing to think about, Rickyboi. I’ll just wait over the next 12 months and tell you “I told you so” as the reports come filing in on a monthly basis, like I said 3 months ago. If it’s Core inflation, that’s great, but why does shelter comprise of 30% of the CPI and headline #’s state 9% yoy? Did everybody become renters? No, that’s why you look at core, which has been running lowers than headline cpi.

Tye only thing yiu need to “think” about is what I tried stating several times, they’re rear facing views and my reports have been forward looking at the leveling off of these reports going forward. Warrior, my prior thread wasn’t me necessarily stating prices were as a whole dropping, it was pointing to the analyst from Wall Street that have perspective. Anyway, in 6-12 months the analysis for my day to day activities will pay off for nice gains in equities, and then yiu can get all emotional about it like you did about the current inflation rate. Bongiornio bitches!

The current inflation spike is about 90% due to supply chain shortages and a low unemployment rate. It doesn't take a Ph.D. in economics to realize that when people have jobs, they want to spend money on consumer items, and prices will go up if the cash is flowing but the goods are in short supply and the labor market needed to make those goods is also in short supply. Right wing morons like Skibum will never understand the basics of the American economy, which is why China Donnie caused 40% of the stock market to plummet in value in April 2020.

^^^ ok, China Donnie causing the April 2020 drop in equities is about as dumb as SkiDumb claiming inflation is high due to the statements he reads from his clients balance statements. Trump is a big loser by the way, but not in April 2020.

"China Donnie causing the April 2020 drop in equities is about as dumb as SkiDumb claiming inflation is high due to the statements he reads from his clients balance statements. Trump is a big loser by the way, but not in April 2020"

Well, maybe not directly but Beijing Don making COVID seem like a big joke that would blow over in a week is definitely the cause of the stock market meltdown in 2020.

It doesn't matter how you slice it, Fred Trump's piece-of-shit son was never good at anything, whether it's real estate, running a casino, or maintaining a healthy marriage. He's a big fail at everything except marketing and self-promotion, so he's just a dumber version of PT Barnum. Big whoop. At least PT Barnum gave me a clown show that was entertaining, and not running a country where we're all trying to make a decent living and raise kids.

^ Trucidos the troll. Do not engage in good faith!

@ DesertScrub the Dipshit --

Where is all this free money "flooding" the market? You right wingers just spew a lot of word salad nonsense that only makes a Faux Fake News chimp scream.

Look up something called the "Phillips Curve" --- perfectly explains why low unemployment leads to consumer price inflation, stupid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y234PB-O…

https://apple.news/AkBwe2QwmQmK6ShjVK_tg…

More I told you so news!

Expert predictions about inflation for 2023
Over the weekend, analysts from Goldman Sachs forecast that one key measure of inflation — the core price consumption expenditures index, or core PCE — could drop to 2.9% by the end of 2023.
Core inflation is different from headline inflation. Core inflation excludes food and energy prices, which tend to swing more frequently and dramatically than other prices. The Federal Reserve keeps a close eye on core PCE inflation, and targets a level of 2% in a healthy economy. (To make it even more confusing — these numbers are different from inflation measured via the consumer price index, or CPI, which came in at 7.7% on an annual basis in October, down from 8.2% in September.)
Right now, core PCE is at 5.1%. Goldman’s experts expect that number to drop as supply chain constraints improve, rental price growth slows down, and wage growth slows down, too. Those three factors are signs the economy is on its way back to a healthier state.
Other experts agree, though some are more optimistic than others

Goldman was forecasting $140 oil earlier this year, it still hasn't happened.

Unless it "deflates" to pre-Covid levels its a net loss for savers. Don't any of you ever dare to minimize my prediction of massive inflation after the first "pandemic" stimulus package, not to mention the several subsequent ones. I said it would lead to massive inflation and it did. Nothing to do with with "supply chain" or the rest of the bullshit explanations. It was flooding money into the economy to stabilize it over a politically motivated artificial shutdown over a supposed pabdemic with a 99% survival rate. I called it at the time. It happened. And some of you still pretend I was "wrong." BTW, I took some economics classes in college. All I did was ignore the mainstream media and use common sense and first semester macroeconomic principles. I don't deserve a Nobel prize in economics. This was never that complicated.

"It was flooding money into the economy to stabilize it over a politically motivated artificial shutdown over a supposed pabdemic with a 99% survival rate."

Sending $1200 checks to people to pay back rent and overdue credit card bills is "flooding the market with money" and causes reactionary inflation LOL.

A low IQ anti-Semite like Dave is good to laugh at and a punching bag for a witty Dem like me, but not much else :-)

^ My morning dump is smarter than a little homo like you boy.

^ My morning dump is smarter than a little homo like you boy ^

You're mocked in here a lot, Ski-Fagg. I've crushed Boston ass clowns like you and rolled ya into ditches. It's easy and a lot of fun.

===> "There’s nothing to think about, Rickyboi."

I guess your inability and/or unwillingness to think is why you're sucking Goldman economist cock, lol.

Core readings do not exist in a vacuum. If you back out food and energy, you remove a critical component in the analysis. When both are rising at outsized proportions, of course inflationary pressures in other areas will lessen. Who is buying computers and expensive TVs when a lot more of their money is being consumed by groceries and electricity?

So the "headline" CPI matters a lot, especially when price rises in energy and food are partially labor-related. Until the Fed can do enough to slacken tightness in the labor markets, inflationary problems are going to persist.

What the stock market is betting on right now is that the Fed will tolerate higher inflation rather than do something which will firebomb the broader economy. I suspect that they are right, but until we finally get serious about quashing inflation, it's just going to be death by 1,000 cuts. People feel energy and food cost increases far more than those in most other areas, though insurance rates are also going up by much higher %s than the "core" reading.

"What the stock market is betting on right now is that the Fed will tolerate higher inflation rather than do something which will firebomb the broader economy."

Exactly. The Feds will selectively and minimally raise interest rates until they see a lessening of demand for consumer goods, outside of food and energy which are basic needs. Jeff Bezos just went on TV and told people to hold off buying a new car or big screen TV and focus on the basics like paying rent and your grocery bill. Pretty amazing considering he's the guy who became filthy rich off people buying stupid shit on his website.

^ Fucking dumbest loser on the planet. Likes sex with little boys. Pretends she doesn't live in a trailer park.

^ Most people don't realize that even though insurance is some thing that everyone purchases and not noted in the ppe or cpi, it's a major factor in our inflationary spiral, a cost of doing business that increases by order of magnitude every other cost a business has and often is a major factor in driving businesses into bankruptcy, it would reduce most major costs across the board if the insurance regulators were to regulate insurance companies fairly and not be an automatic rubber stamp for every increase the they throw out there.

===> "Most people don't realize that even though insurance is some thing that everyone purchases and not noted in the ppe or cpi, it's a major factor in our inflationary spiral..."

Yup. Everyone buys auto insurance and rates keep rising fast, eating into monthly budgets. Home and health insurance has been rising fast too. When you couple those with recent spikes in electricity and food costs, people who are living paycheck to paycheck are getting clobbered right now. Those same people also often carry credit card balances and they're getting clobbered there too with interest rate increases.

^ that’s in addition to increasing prices for goods the the insurance companies get more same with WC ins increasing with wages, flood & fire insurance increases with the rise in valuation of insured property the insurance companies are getting windfall profits same as the oil companies and there needs to be more oversight and accountability of those companies as well.

Trucidos with another one of his verbal tics. Obsession with calling people "-fagg" and using "cunt" as an insult doesn't signal sexual confusion at all, right? LOL

"insurance companies are getting windfall profits same as the oil companies and there needs to be more oversight and accountability of those companies as well"

I don't see why an Obama-Care model couldn't be applied to the auto and home insurance markets. Govt. oversight of health insurance companies didn't lead to a massive implosion of the system like the Repukes predicted --- Obama-Care did exactly what it promised --- kept insurance costs under control and making it more affordable for the lower and middle class folks. I have yet to see any doctor, hospital or insurance company go bankrupt because of Obama-Care.

Health insurance isn’t what I’m referring to
It’s more about how the insurance companies act like a government agency and levy what should rightfully be called a tax on every single goods sold, mile driven, wage earned , and paid aid by small businesses often mandated by law, in every single location in this country.

===> "I don't see why an Obama-Care model couldn't be applied to the auto and home insurance markets."

Because it fucked up the individual insurance market, that why it can't. It didn't add nearly as many new insured as the figures indicate. Many of them came from employed people who switched to get the subsidies and early retirees who stopped working and voluntarily reduced their reportable income to get subsidized insurance and sit on the beach. The remaining came from the enhanced Medicaid.

Meanwhile, there were millions of people already in the individual insurance market who were forced out. The Obamacare insurance is generally only affordable if you qualify for the government subsidies - those who didn't were hammered.

"Meanwhile, there were millions of people already in the individual insurance market who were forced out. The Obamacare insurance is generally only affordable if you qualify for the government subsidies - those who didn't were hammered."

I bought insurance on the individual market in 2002 because I was self-employed and was having GI problems. Got the standard workup like colonoscopy and other tests, and then promptly got the "denied coverage because of pre-existing condition" letter. Had to pay everything out-of-pocket. Fast forward 20 years and my monthly premiums are the same as I paid in 2002 (adjusted for inflation) and I got a FREE screening colonoscopy because I just turned 50.

So yes, Obama-Care delivered on it's promise and all the shady insurance companies had to get out of the market because they couldn't keep ripping off customers by collecting hefty premiums and sending out coverage denial letters en masse.

^ I have been in the individual insurance market since 2010 and now its a shit show. Unlike you, who no doubt only has to cover himself, I have to cover a family of 5.

In 2014, right before all the new mandates kicked in, I paid $1,100 per month for a plan that covered almost everything, was accepted pretty much everywhere and waived the deductibles on everything except hospital visits. The catch was that it did not cover mental health services or maternity care, which was fine by us since we were done having kids and were not seeking mental health services.

A year later, when the mandates kicked in, that policy was discontinued. The new policy I got was $300 per month more expensive with the deductibles applying to almost everything. The worst part though is that we learned that almost nobody wanted to accept the new policy, so we had to switch our PCPs. If I wanted a policy as good as what I had, it would have been closer to $1,700 a month.

Fast forward to 2022, I pay about $2,500 per month for something close (but not completely) to as good as what I had in 2014. That's 127% premium increase over 8 years. Worse though, my deductibles and copays are higher and apply to more services, so my total healthcare spending has gone up even more than that.

So stop saying stupid shit when you don't really know what you're talking about. For every action there is a reaction. When you force mandates into every policy, they will get more expensive. When you construct a model that is premised upon one class of people subsidizing another, the folks doing the subsidizing will pay more. For every action, there is a reaction.

Wow. There is some crazy-ass shit being thrown around in this thread !!! But in the end, none of us know exactly what is gonna happen.

Health care in America is much more expensive than in the rest of the world:
1. Half of all cost is in the last year of life. Most every other country imposes limits on what is done for someone when they are clearly terminal but trying to add a few more months of life.
2. Cutting edge procedures and equipment are available to everyone. Twist your leg ? Get a $1,000 MRI.
3. We subsidize drug research for the rest of the world.

Any politician who votes for sensible limits on health care would be guaranteed to lose the next election.

4. Litigation, or the fear of being sued, increases unnecessary tests and raises prices to cover liability insurance.

5" refers to his height.

All this talk about inflation, and nobody has said anything about the price of bacon!!

Amazon is laying off 10,000 employees this week. Before the holiday season. Amazon knows what’s coming. The recession is here. Layoffs. Bankruptcies. Foreclosures. It’s just beginning.

https://stocks.apple.com/AIpTIVFWuST2RDq…

And the hits keep coming!! I told you so.

The producer price index rose 0.2% in October, below the 0.4% estimate.
A significant contributor to the slowdown in wholesale inflation was a 0.1% decline in services, the first outright decline in that measure since November 2020.
On a year-over-year basis, PPI rose 8% compared to an 8.4% increase in September.
In other economic news, the Empire State Manufacturing Survey for November registered a reading of 4.5%, much better than the estimate for a -6% reading

"Amazon is laying off 10,000 employees this week. Before the holiday season. Amazon knows what’s coming. The recession is here. Layoffs. Bankruptcies. Foreclosures. It’s just beginning"

Majority of those 10K employees are in R&D divisions like Alexa. Not a single distribution center employee will be laid off, and Amazon desperately needs more help for the holiday shopping crush.

2023 will be nothing more than a "softening" and not a recession. Inflation is coming down, gas prices are at near-normal prices, and consumer spending is ticking back up. Walmart just posted higher-than-expected earnings. Things are looking up, thanks President Joe!

Mate, you're basing your entire position on single month blip readings. There's a reason why we measure inflation using a 12 month rolling average.

The labor market is still extremely tight; diesel fuel prices are soaring; and energy rates are still exceedingly high. Until we bleed enough demand out of the economy to ease pressures in these areas, inflation will persist at some uncomfortable level. Instead recent spending reports show few signs of this slowing down.

History has taught us, both here and abroad, that what we need to break the back of inflation is a good ol' fashion recession - a serious slowdown in economic activity. In other words, a dollop of pain now to avoid never-ending price pressures for years to come.

I think the Fed actually understands this, but simply doesn't have the stomach for it. No doubt promises were made in order to secure Powell's re-nomination, which undoubtedly include a commitment not to firebomb the economy until the next Presidential election. Or maybe the expectation was unspoken, idk, but it's pretty clear that Powell is not feeling much sense of urgency in getting inflation under control. he's doing just enough to take the edge off, but not enough to tame it.

Dugan, my position has been an overwhelming PSA for emotionally fragile people following the headline CPI inflation reports that have been coming in for several months at yoy rates over 8%. The PSA being those are reports looking 12 months backwards, and me stating it is noteworthy to look at this currently not rising at the pace we saw from the past 12-18 months. The fed has never done four consecutive 75 basis point rate hikes, ever in its history so at least you for that going for you regarding Powell (not). The spickets are off, balance sheets have been rolling off, and the correction to balance out the markets has been dramatic into disinflation currently. As I said every month since August, I will be repeating “I told you so” for the next 12 months as we see yoy CPI, producer price index, and any other bureau of Labor Statistics ringing in lower annual rates, repeatedly. However, some people gravitate toward drama and live to squeal like a junior high girl at a slumber party when discussing inflation today. Frankly, me making everyone aware that these adult men don’t need to search out an emotional support dog to get them through this momentary jump in cost of living, has made this quite the ungracious greeting from those who need the daily affirmations. That’s ok, when the stock market is up and escalating inflation rates are long behind us, I highly suspect those emotionally fragile men will forget that “I told you so”. That’s pretty much expected when it comes to things like personal finance. The emotions portray the disconnect from real life. It’s why people hire others to handle these issues for them, because people and their emotions make them their own worst enemy. Your welcome!

Mate, are you a little bit retarded? Otherwise I can't understand while you keep claiming that we're all focusing on backward looking data while I keep giving you current and forward looking reasons why inflation is unlikely to materially abate.

But hey now little fella, I won't hold it against you. Handi-capable people are people too. But if you want to keep arguing these points, you might want to keep up with the rest of the class. Like the special needs kids who are given extra time to complete their assignments, you too should take all the time you need to process what has been posted. 😉

To repeat: The labor market is still extremely tight; diesel fuel prices are soaring; and energy rates are still exceedingly high. IMHO until we bleed enough demand out of the economy to ease pressures in these areas, inflation will persist at some uncomfortable level. Indeed recent spending reports show few signs of this slowing down.

As far as your contention about what the Fed has never done, they have actually jammed rates up by much larger amounts in single meetings than they have collectively in these little tip toe 75 bp bumps. You just have to go back to the 70s and early 80s to see it, the last time we had inflation this bad.

If you want to argue about why the lessons of the 70s and early 80s are not applicable today, or why those forward looking indicators are less meaningful than they have historically been, then by all means do so. But less noise and spin and nonsense and more on point rebuttals would be a nice start.

Again though, take all the time you need...😁

https://stocks.apple.com/ASRKX_GPTRm6V61…

The latest rally in U.S. stocks following signs of cooling inflation isn’t likely sustainable, warned Scott Wren, senior global market strategist at the Wells Fargo Investment Institute.
Instead, Wren sees a lot hanging on a few signs that inflation may be starting to fade, triggering yet another bullish upswing for stocks on expectations that the Federal Reserve will “pivot,” or pause its interest-rate hikes.
“We have seen this happen numerous times over the last few months as economic data has been released,” Wren wrote in a Wednesday client note. But his team said they suspect that if the October consumer-price index “had come in two-tenths (or even one-tenth) above the consensus estimate,” the market response might not have been “as pretty.”
The S&P 500 index SPX was trading lower on Wednesday, but still up about 6% from a week ago, according to FactSet data. Looking through a longer lens showed a 10.6% increase


Again Dugan, if you were paying attention, for which you lack on filling up your bottomless pit of a hole, you’d see that as a remedial student you’d recall this round isn’t anywhere near the decades long 70’-80’s style that you pretend to state with conviction is happening, although be it quite stupidly. I need no time to know what I am talking about, as you “think” you know what you’re speaking about. Somehow you’ve flown over the cuckoos nest as a legitimate person knowledgeable of qualified investment experiences. May I remind you how you were advising on this board for everyone to purchase RICK’s, not sure of the ticker symbol, about 10 years ago. An epic failure of a stock pick! But that’s ok Rickyboi, you can go to bed tonight “thinking” you’ve got this right as I remind you during the upcoming months how big of a faggit you are, being slam dunked just like Dougster used to do to you back in the day. Sleep like a baby so you’re not so grumpy when November readings come out Dec 10th-13th. All I “know” is that I’ve never pushed a stupid stock like RICK’s and doubled down on a losing pick like the kind of stock picker you are. Nice credibility you for their boi! I’m glad you “think” you know what you’re talking about, so at least you got that going for you, because perception is reality in your world.

Cough! Cough! I think I’ll just leave this here, as the continuous rounds of “I told you so” will continue for the next 12 months.
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Wharton professor Jeremy Siegel expects 2023 to be a strong year for equities as the Federal Reserve finally acknowledges that inflation is easing.
He expects the stock market to surge at least 15% and as much as 20% next year, which would send the S&P 500 back to 4,740 based on current levels, near record highs not seen since the start of this year.
"I think basically 90% of our inflation is gone," Siegel told CNBC in an interview on Monday, explaining that on-the-ground inflation, especially in the housing market, is declining at a considerable rate despite lagging indicators relied on by the Fed showing the exact opposite.
"My point has been housing has declined but the way the government computes it is so lagged that it will continue to show increases. And I think finally the Fed will say, 'you know what, on the ground things are all declining and we got to think about that,'" he said. 
Siegel expects the Fed to soon pivot away from its aggressive rate hiking path, explaining that the Fed will likely raise rates by only 50 basis points at its December FOMC meeting. The Fed has increased interest rates by 75 basis points at its last four meetings.
But what will be more important for investors to focus on at the December FOMC meeting is the statement from Fed Chairman Jerome Powell, which should, according to Siegel, include a "real strong hint" of an upcoming pause in further Fed tightening policies.
"They need to pause to see what actually is going to happen. That would really spark a big rally. But even a strong statement that we have seen good signs about inflation and that most of our [rate] increases are behind us I think could spark a December rally. If not then, it will come in January," he added.
In regards to a recent note from Goldman Sachs that said the stock market will likely end flat in 2023, Siegel said, "I think they're being way too pessimistic... I think the market is undervalued."
"It's taken way too long for the Fed to get it and they haven't gotten it yet that inflation is basically over, but they will, and I think they're going to get it maybe very late this year or early next year. And I think as soon as they get it you're going to see a big increase in equity prices," he said.

Have the labor markets loosened? Has the federal government stopped pouring shitloads of money into the economy (like through the Infrastructure bill that is finally just disbursing into the private sector)? Have people spent down their pandemic savings? Have we stopped paying people NOT to work via Obamacare and food stamp transfers?

No? Then why are we talking about inflation being gone?

It may slow down a bit in certain sectors. It did so at times in the 70s too in response to Fed actions. But it always reared its ugly head again when the Fed took its foot off the gas. Until we do enough to stamp out the underlying conditions causing the inflation, it will continue to simmer under the surface, popping up in response to the slightest challenge.

But with that said, I don't necessarily completely disagree with that attention whore Siegel. But the market is not actually betting that inflation will be gone - it is betting that it will be tolerable enough that the Fed will use it as an excuse to act like the pussies that they are. They have no appetite for doing anything to truly stamp it out. We'll probably be dealing with this for years to come, at least through the next Presidential election.

Uh oh, momentum is starting to turn on the pace of inflation! Hold on, more to cum in the following months! I told you so!

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Have the labor markets loosened? Has the federal government stopped pouring shitloads of money into the economy (like through the Infrastructure bill that is finally just disbursing into the private sector)? Have people spent down their pandemic savings? Have we stopped paying people NOT to work via Obamacare and food stamp transfers?

No? Then why are we talking about inflation being gone?

It may slow down a bit in certain sectors. It did so at times in the 70s too in response to Fed actions. But it always reared its ugly head again when the Fed took its foot off the gas. Until we do enough to stamp out the underlying conditions causing the inflation, it will continue to simmer under the surface, popping up in response to the slightest challenge.

"will continue to simmer under the surface, popping up in response to the slightest challenge"

Inflation will only continue if the global supply chains are strained and the U.S. unemployment remains below 3%.

You don't need to take 20 credits of college economics to understand what is going on. Supplies of everything, from food to luxury goods, are in short supply and everyone has a job with wages going up every year, so that means higher prices for less goods with higher demand.

Jeez, stop spreading right wing bullshit about "Biden flooding too much money into the system" and just look at the basic facts.

The global supply chain excuse is over. If anything, many of our retailers are overstocked and trying to sell off excess inventory. Also 80% of our domestically consumed food is also produced domestically. So spare us the ridiculous multi-year bullshit global supply chain excuse.

Don't label something as "right wing bullshit" just because you're unable to comprehend it - or are too ignorant due to a lack of decent sources.. The simple fact is that we are still spending gushers of money, not only at the Federal level but the states as well, including goodie checks recently issued by a number of state governments. We are also still making it easy for people to stay out of the workforce via healthcare and EBT transfer payments.

If you continue to shovel money into the economy, people will spend it, driving up demand for goods and services and thereby prices. If you continue to make it easy for early retirees and other to sit on the sidelines, some will do so. KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid.

Inflation is a tax. When the government spends money it can get it through taxes, borrow it or print it. If it borrows it, that just means people in the future will have to have their taxes raised in order to get the money to pay the loan back. If the government prints the money, it creates inflation and rising prices. The money supply increased by 33% between 2020 and 2022. Four trillion dollars were printed up to pay for government spending. People didn't want to pay increased taxes directly, so they are now paying them indirectly with the inflation tax.

Pending home sales in the US plummeted by 37% year-on-year in October of 2022, the sharpest yearly decline on record.

https://www.independentsentinel.com/pend…

Fed efforts to fight inflation is pushing us into a serious recession. Either they keep doing it and the recession will worsen or they will pivot away from interest rate hikes and inflation will worsen.

Yet there are jobs aplenty, there is currently 1.8 jobs per worker, we are in strange times, I don't think anyone here is forecasting correctly, my own opinion is maybe a mild recession next year, and only if something changes and the unemployment rate moves higher than 5-6 %. We will soon find out.

The largest percentage of inflation right now is actually caused by corporate greed. Many companies have seen record profits by raising prices for no reason and just screwing consumers.

@Doc: One sector decline is not an indicator of a deep looming recession. We are no where near a deep recession, in large part because people are still spending gobs of money which continue to gush out of the federal and state government spigots. Others are starting to spend more using credit, which says that rates aren't high enough yet to make credit spending too expensive. Look at the most recent PCE number for October. Until rates get high enough that people with excess cash want to save it instead of spend it and credit spenders are scared to take on more debt, demand for goods and services will not falter.

And yes, IMHO nothing short of a good ol' fashion recession is going to break the back of this inflation. But I don't believe that this Fed has the stones to do what it takes. The second the unemployment number hits 5%, at which point I agree with 25 that we will enter into a mild recession, the Fed will chicken out. I suspect that we will be stuck with a certain level of inflation until the next Administration or until these gutless wonders are finally cleared out.

===> "The largest percentage of inflation right now is actually caused by corporate greed. Many companies have seen record profits by raising prices for no reason and just screwing consumers."

Joe Biden would be proud of that stupid fucking comment. To the extent that some companies are experiencing increased profits now, and that's far from universal, it is a by-product of increasing prices to buffer against higher input costs in the near future that they cannot forecast. Energy is far more expensive than it was a year ago and labor costs are jumping monthly. Companies do not control market forces. They know that there are only certain windows in which they can raise prices and so much that they can raise them. If they screw it up, people stop buying their shit and/or they don't make money.

The good news Mr Dugan is that younger voters turned out in huge numbers to vote against loser Republicans. If Republicans really want to lower inflation why would they vote against lowering the price of insulin and prescription drugs? Really answer that. Culture wars, racism, taking away women's rights, being too stupid to care about climate change are not going to get younger voters on your side. More of the old fossil Republicans die off each year leaving younger voters who didn't grow up in a racist, homophobic world.

===> "If Republicans really want to lower inflation why would they vote against lowering the price of insulin and prescription drugs?"

Because price controls don't work. They haven't worked in any economy ever over any period. Air moves to whatever part of the balloon is not being squeezed. Same holds true with investment capital. When price controls exist on something, producers make less of it and focus on more profitable items instead, resulting in shortages. Producers also don't spend on R&D and other development activities when they cannot earn their money back. Their is no such thing as a free lunch youngster.

===> "Culture wars, racism, taking away women's rights, being too stupid to care about climate change are not going to get younger voters on your side. More of the old fossil Republicans die off each year leaving younger voters who didn't grow up in a racist, homophobic world."

The biggest problem with some young voters it would seem is a lack of attention span. Too many of them can only focus for long enough to absorb their favorite source's melodramatic tidbits and are incapable of forming their own educated opinions. It doesn't help that too many boys now are raised like whiny fucking girls, reacting first and questioning later if at all.

^ I should have added...but young people have always leaned Democrat, often because they are young and emotional and want to believe the nonsense about helping others that the Dems often try to promote. But eventually they grow up and gain a greater understanding of the world, including the damage that bad Dem policies almost inevitably cause. T

They have fucked up CA and IL with financial burdens that will eventually make these states insolvent and fucked up the education systems and finances of too many large cities to count. When handed the federal reigns, they inevitably fuck things up too at the national level - case in point the never-ending inflation situation. They just can't help themselves. The last Dem President that didn't cause serious damage to the economy with bad regulatory and legislative policies was Clinton.

If we ignore climate change what will our economy look like? The worst any of us have ever seen. Already in some western states there is a severe lack of water. If we could visit 20 to 30 years into the future and speak to the people and ask what do they think the #1 thing they would tell us to focus on right now? My guess would be climate change.

dustyj, has part of the equation, true these old fossils trying to regulate behavior need to be gone, but the progressive agenda keeps shooting themselves in the foot, they pick the worst possible defense positions. Defunding cops, the BLM movement had a moment, but they fucked themselves with their defense of the indefensible.
I think we need a mandatory retirement age for politicians, and I don't think any politician should serve more than two terms, across the board. I also think we need an independent Federal Reserve and economic policy should be made completely non-partisan, they need to be elected based on their credentials, nothing else, and the politicos shouldn't be appointing or have any input into the workings of the Fed, same with the judiciary, also they should be elected on their credentials only and not appointed for life, two six year terms should be sufficient, and they also should be subject to an age limit. There is an awful lot that should be changed that would avoid the situation we are involved in now, and would do a tremendous amount to resolve the partisan mess we are embroiled in now.

Water shortages in the western states come more from population growth than climate change. Most population growth over the last 50 years has come from immigrants and the children of immigrants. It has predominantly been Democrats, along with a few big business Republicans who want cheap labor, that has supported these high immigration levels. We can't get population growth under control until we reduce current immigration levels.

I would recommend reading the book "The End of Ice" by Dahr Jamail by someone who has traveled the world and seen and studied climate change thoroughly rather than just dismissing it because it doesn't go along with party beliefs.

Docsavage wrong. Lake Mead is drying up because of climate change causing a huge water shortage.

^ That's not factual, until Trump most of the expansion in immigration has been driven by pro big business Republicans, actually during the Clinton administration there was the big push towards offshoring to reduce immigration, NAFTA was mostly about relieving labor shortages by allowing the big companies to relocate their most labor intensive manufacturing to other countries like Mexico and other central American venues.

^ I was addressing boc savage

@Rick: Going into a serious recession is one alternative but I agree with you that the other alternative of the Fed giving up on the fight against inflation is more likely. Reagan supported Volcker while he did that, but I don't see Biden supporting Powell in the same way.

Biden, being a Democrat, would be likely to say inflation is caused by greedy corporations. He would eventually call for price controls as inflation rises. That would be followed by shortages and then rationing. Black markets would develop, and the federal government would hire swarms of new federal agents to crack down on the black markets. Every government intervention requires another government intervention to deal with the negative effects of the previous government intervention. Having gone through the government schools, most voters are economic illiterates and will support all this.

@doc savage no one is calling for price controls, besides last time price controls were used it was a Republican administration, remember first Nixon then Gerald Ford, I think I still have a WIN button (whip inflation now vote Republican) some place in one of my drawers.

@twentyfive: I didn't say anyone was calling for price controls right now. Stop setting up straw men and then knocking them down. No one is impressed by you doing that. Respond to what people actually say. I said "eventually" in my last comment. Right now, most people still think inflation is temporary. When they realize it is not temporary, they likely won't be willing to go through a sharp recession to cure it. Inflation will then accelerate. At that point you are likely to hear calls for price controls.

I'm not setting up straw men, you just did that with your prediction about being likely to hear calls for price controls, I doubt anyone has any interest in that, inflation will eventually subside, I did respond to what you actually said, I don't get my panties in a wad over shit that hasn't happened, that's the pseudo right wingers. Believe what you like, I am not against you, and I'm not your enemy, I just disagree with your premise.

https://apple.news/A8U4CvSYdRHqog4y6GKym…

Well this flies in the face of Rickyboy’s jobs and employment narrative. Keep in mind that wages have only risen 5% in the past year, well below the rate of inflation. Told you so! Here’s how the article is printed with even data from ADP and BLS, wow a little research thrown in, too. Weeeee!!

The big story of the week was the +263K jump in Nonfarm Payrolls, somewhat higher than the street estimate of 200K, now causing some pundits to say that a “soft landing” is now likely for the economy. Unfortunately, the headline number is quite misleading.
The Payroll Survey is a survey of larger businesses and counts jobs, while the Household Survey counts those who are employed. A person with two part-time jobs shows up as “employed” in the Household Survey (i.e., counts as one), but as two in the Payroll Survey.
The Household Survey results for November were -138K on top of -328K in October and the number of people employed was nearly identical to the number produced way back in March. We haven’t seen back-to-back declines in this survey since the lockdowns in 2020. In addition, since the Payroll Survey says the number of jobs are rising, but it isn’t showing up as more employment in the Household Survey, the rise in the job counts in the Payroll Survey must be mainly part-time. This is verified in the Household Survey by the expansion of +165K of those working more than one job.
The contraction of Hours Worked is another sign that part-time jobs have been the growth engine. In November, the workweek contracted -0.3% and, at 34.4 hours, is at the lowest level since the April 2020 lockdowns. According to Economist David Rosenberg, the workweek contraction is equivalent to a -380K job loss. Furthermore, overtime hours fell -3.1% in November, yet another negative sign.
Employment in the Retail sector fell -30K in November and is down -62K since September. One wouldn’t see this if retailers were expecting a solid holiday shopping season.
In the ADP report, employment only rose +127K. Of interest, small business (<50 employees) and large businesses (>500 employees) showed up as shedding jobs (-51K and -68K respectively), and we’ve noted in past blogs the large and rapid layoffs in the tech sector. It was mid-sized companies (50-499 employees) that added (+283K).
The Unemployment Rate (U3) is calculated from the Household Survey. Because that survey has shown up negative for the past two months, one would expect the unemployment rate to have risen. But, it hasn’t, staying at 3.7% for both October and November. That’s because the labor force participation rate fell for the third month in a row (i.e., the labor force shrank; so, while the numerator, employment, was lower, so was the denominator, the labor force). This isn’t healthy.
Of concern for the Fed is the jump of 0.6% in average hourly earnings, double the market expectation and up 5.1% Y/Y (vs. 4.9% in October). Had hours worked not contracted, the average hourly earnings number would have been under the +0.3% street estimate. We don’t expect the labor force to continue to contract, so going forward, this is going to moderate. Nevertheless, this will likely give the hawks at the Fed additional ammo.
The reason we think that the hourly earnings will come back in line comes from the latest October JOLTS (Job Openings and Labor Turnover Survey) where layoffs rose +58K (up in two of the last three months), new hires fell -84K in October -238K in September, and -820K over the last eight months, and quits were down -34K in October, -124K in September and down by -403K over the last seven months. So, going forward, we expect wage growth to fall to the 3% level.

https://apple.news/AgonuRIVxRme8Ze-Pn5de…

This flies in the face of those grinches SkiDumb and Rickyboi, 2 of the biggest ass clowns this site has ever accompanied!

The November inflation data, which showed consumer prices rising less than expected for a second straight month, “increases the likelihood that we could get a dovish surprise” from new policymaker projections showing rates rising only another half percentage point by the end of 2023, Krishna Guha, vice chair of Evercore ISI, wrote ahead of the policy decision. Guha, however, said he still expects Fed policymakers’ median rate projection to narrowly favor a higher endpoint in a range from 5% to 5.25%.

Somehow SkiDumb will turn this around to some sort of left wing agenda. What an emotionally triggered old man! Anyway, keep your eyes out for another solid 12 months of “I told you so” from me for anyone who dares to refute my accurate predictions on inflation.

^ You are just a sorry little bitvh. How do you spell young male? p u s s y. Only an asshole like you would rely on cherry picked government data. Krishna Guha seems like a reliable American source roflmao. Apple news is for illiterate little jack offs like you bitch.

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Have the labor markets loosened? Has the federal government stopped pouring shitloads of money into the economy (like through the Infrastructure bill that is finally just disbursing into the private sector)? Have people spent down their pandemic savings? Have we stopped paying people NOT to work via Obamacare and food stamp transfers?

No? Then why are we talking about inflation being gone?

It may slow down a bit in certain sectors. It did so at times in the 70s too in response to Fed actions. But it always reared its ugly head again when the Fed took its foot off the gas. Until we do enough to stamp out the underlying conditions causing the inflation, it will continue to simmer under the surface, popping up in response to the slightest challenge.

^^ Rickyboi, I know your ability to read goes against your strong confirmation bias, however look above at the BLS report on jobs and try to be objective. YUM brands CEO was on today stating they have filled ALL of their openings across the nation, so at least yiu got that going for you. Keep in mind the U3 report isn’t an accurate account of jobs, tye U6 takes account more factors, but of course it goes against your tough guy narrative. By the way this isn’t the 70s or the 80s, internet tough guy!

Now I am starting to see why Icee calls SkiDumb, SkiBitch. Because he is a whiny little old Pussy!! Food inflation is going to start to flatten or come down due to the drop in energy/fuel. I’m goin to start searching for summer flights because diesel fuel has dropped, too. Of course Rickyboi can refute that all he wants, as he is a one note trick like his butt buddy SkiDumb. One note, one trick ponies. Lol!

^ Keep lying douche. Prove time and time again that you're a whiny little cock sucker. Of course, you're on the same side as Icee; you're both cock sucking faggots. Summer flights because diesel fuel has dropped? Ya think an airplane uses diesel you ignorant asswipe? Your love pf horse cock is why you mentioned ponies faggot.

^^ son, not only are you old and senile, but you got manure for brains! Jets used to use diesel fuel, but it is slightly altered for a similar kerosene type for todays use. Anyway, tye price of diesel is directly related to jet fuel so keep proving your stupidity SkiDumb!! Ha ha ha ha ha ha …. all the way to the bank!

FYI: there no longer is inflation. I told you so!

https://www.freightwaves.com/news/drop-i…

For those who’d like to learn about the reality of economics instead of seeing a whiny bold pussy like SkiDumb retort from looking at his clients statements for economic clues, the article linked shows the largest drop in diesel fuel since the Lehman Brothers collapse……..

Drop in benchmark DOE/EIA diesel price is 2nd-biggest ever

Decline of 21.3 cents almost matches number from post-Lehman Brothers market in 2008

John Kingston John Kingston
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The benchmark DOE/EIA price fell by the second-largest amount in its history Monday. (Photo: Jim Allen/FreightWaves).



The second-biggest decline in the benchmark weekly diesel price from the Department of Energy took the number down 21.3 cents per gallon, to $4.754.

A decline of that magnitude has only been exceeded once in the almost 29-year history of the DOE’s Energy Information Administration publishing a weekly average retail diesel price. That occurred in October 2008, when the collapse a month earlier of Lehman Brothers was roiling global markets, kicking off the global financial crisis. The price fell 21.6 cents for the number posted Oct. 13 of that year.

This week’s price is the lowest since March 7 of this year. Since the recent high price set on Oct. 24, the DOE/EIA diesel price is down 58.4 cents a gallon.

Retail prices inevitably lag changes in futures and wholesale prices, but the lag on the current steep drop has been historic. Even with the recent drop in retail prices, the FUELS.USA data series in SONAR has continued to rise. FUELS.USA measures the spread between the average retail price and the average wholesale price and historically has been near $1-$1.10 a gallon. A week ago it was at about $1.91 a gallon. Today, it came in at $2.18.

The ultra low sulfur diesel (ULSD) price on the CME commodity exchange between Nov. 3 and last Friday fell about $1.20 a gallon. However, on Monday it climbed 17.21 cents, its biggest one-day gain since early October. After settling Thursday at $2.7937 a gallon, the price rose Monday to $2.9658.

Recent declines in the price of ULSD on the CME have been fueled by a combination of declining demand and growing inventories.



The weekly EIA report contains demand data called Product Supplied. It does not break out diesel, but a category called distillate, based on consumption patterns, is about 85% to 90% ULSD. Product supplied for distillate was 4.257 million barrels a day in the week ending Oct. 28. In the week ending Dec. 2, the most recent report available, it was down to 3.55 million barrels a day.

Inventories, a key factor in driving the price above $5 at the pump just a few weeks and months ago, have recovered on the back not only of decreased demand but also refinery operations ramping up to take advantage of strong diesel prices. Stocks of ULSD stood at 95.8 million barrels in that week ending Oct. 28. They rose to just under 108 million barrels in the most recent weekly EIA report.

That in turn has been helped by blistering U.S. refinery operating rates of just over 95% in the two weeks ending Dec. 2, according to EIA data.

Ironically, the big drop in the EIA price, used as the benchmark for most diesel surcharges, was announced on the day that markets took a big upward move after its recent declines.

Two key factors helped push the price up by 17.21 cents a gallon Monday, to a settlement of $2.9658 a gallon. First, the Keystone Pipeline (which has been operating for years, not to be confused with its better-known sister pipeline, the Keystone XL, whose construction has been blocked by the Biden administration) has suffered a significant leak and shut down.

The pipeline carries 610,000 barrels a day. The leak is in northeast Kansas and its size is considered significant.

While crude can be rerouted off a pipeline and on to rail cars, that process takes time and the shutdown may impact supplies to refineries. Like the Keystone XL was supposed to do, Keystone takes crude from Canada and some from production in the U.S. and brings it to the U.S. Midcontinent where it can also be sent on to the U.S. Gulf Coast refining system.

Cold weather is another factor and ULSD on Monday rose more than the increase in crude. The 17.21-cent jump in ULSD Monday was a 6.16% increase. But crude benchmarks were up just between 2.15% and 2.5%.

The market reaction to forecasts of more cold winter weather could also be seen in the settlement price of natural gas at the Louisiana Henry Hub delivery point. Natural gas climbed 34.2 cents per thousand cubic feet Monday, an increase of 5.19%.

FYI: I told you so!!

^Cut and paste asshole you are still wrong. Jets don't use diesel. You are backtracking, the way all stupid liars do when they get caught lying. By the way little boy, being old is a badge of honor. You wouldn't understand honor you faggy little simp.

@Mate: Momentary dips do not signal inflation busting - just momentary dips. The last time we had inflation this high, in the 70s, wage inflation was the number one driver of price inflation over time. Until we solve the labor market issues, we will not have a permanent solution to the inflation problem.

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Have the labor markets loosened? Has the federal government stopped pouring shitloads of money into the economy (like through the Infrastructure bill that is finally just disbursing into the private sector)? Have people spent down their pandemic savings? Have we stopped paying people NOT to work via Obamacare and food stamp transfers?

No? Then why are we talking about inflation being gone?

It may slow down a bit in certain sectors. It did so at times in the 70s too in response to Fed actions. But it always reared its ugly head again when the Fed took its foot off the gas. Until we do enough to stamp out the underlying conditions causing the inflation, it will continue to simmer under the surface, popping up in response to the slightest challenge. Until we solve the labor market issues that are driving continued wage growth, serious long-term reductions in inflation are unlikely.

All of our financial problems will be solved here, by the economists of TUSCL, keep an eye out for a new bond issue, it'll be called DD Bonds and it will pay interest in extras.

An idiot with no brain like Mate can always find a website to back up their stupid bullshit. Its never the Wall Street journal though, because that's too real.

https://apple.news/AxhDf64P6T2OZM14E5TRh…

This flies in the face of Rickyboy’s jobs narrative(see jobs article from above too). Any way, inflation is over and I told you so! Jobs are tumbling…..

Reuters) -Goldman Sachs Group Inc will lay off up to 4,000 people as the Wall Street bank struggles to meet profitability targets, news platform Semafor reported on Friday, citing people familiar with the matter.
Managers across the firm have been asked to identify low performers for what could be a cut of up to 8% to its workforce early next year, the people said, with some cautioning that no final list has been drawn up, according to the report.
Goldman Sachs did not immediately respond to a Reuters request for comment.
The bank said in September it was planning to cut jobs, after pausing the annual practice for two years during the pandemic, a source familiar with the matter told Reuters at the time.
Goldman’s headcount swelled to over 49,000 at the end of September, up 14% from a year earlier. The investment bank had first warned in July it might slow hiring and cut expenses.

I remember in the summer I said inflation has peaked. Looks like I was right, again!!

Apple news = news for the stupid. Lmao moron say the same thing long enough and you too can be a stopped clock asshole. If you were not some some ignorant progressive you would read actual news sources, look at the fed who raised interest rates again and then be smart enough to understand how truly idiotic you appear MATE. By the way, faggot name too bitch.

^^^ boy, you’re proving your stupidity with every letter you peck yiu chicken head! It’s Reuters news wire, just happens the link copied from Apple News. But you for such a swollen clit with every post I make you cream at the sight of trying to confirm your bias. What a stupid fucking divorce lawyers who has little to no reading comprehension. Go read more statements from your clients who are divorcing because they don’t have their shit together, and then give us your assessment of macroeconomics, chicken head.

SkiDumb swims in the waters of stupidity. Pool-pond, pond is good for SkiDumb. Lol. Learn to read ritard!!

^ You even spell like a fag. You're crying and feeling unsafe is unimpressive. I picture you stamping your little feet with tears streaming down your cheeks.

https://apple.news/AAwW5_EPvQeymlsL9k4J9…
Wow the hits keep coming to inflation making SkiDumb and Tricky Rickyboi looking even stupider as the months roll by, because Housing is going down and the jobs reports aren’t that strong when it is accurately reporting for the household formations. The Scrooges have paused just in time for Christmas! Feds may have to
Pause or slow their rate hikes due to slowing economy.

Today’s PCE coming in around 3% annual adjusted for the last quarter over quarter tracking. Nice!https://www.investors.com/news/economy/f…

The PCE (personal consumption expenditures) price index rose 0.1% on the month. The PCE inflation rate continued to ease from June's 40-year high of 7%, slipping to 5.5%. Core prices, minus food and energy, rose 0.2% on the month as the annual core inflation rate eased to 4.7%.

Wall Street had expected a 0.2% increase in the PCE price index and a 0.2%, with an overall 5.5% inflation rate and 4.6% core rate.

Powell Shifts Goalposts With New Key Inflation Rate
Powell's favorite new inflation rate happens to be the most problematic one for the S&P 500. The gauge factors out goods inflation, which is rapidly falling. It also excludes housing inflation, which appears set to fall in 2023 as government data catches up to the stalling growth of market rents.

That leaves only core services other than housing, such as health care, education, hospitality and haircuts. Because price changes for such services are closely linked to wage growth, they provide the best signal of where core inflation is heading, Powell said.

^loser.

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@Mate: Momentary dips do not signal inflation busting - just momentary dips. The last time we had inflation this high, in the 70s, wage inflation was the number one driver of price inflation over time. Until we solve the labor market issues, we will not have a permanent solution to the inflation problem.

Have the labor markets loosened? Has the federal government stopped pouring shitloads of money into the economy (like through the Infrastructure bill that is finally just disbursing into the private sector)? Have people spent down their pandemic savings? Have we stopped paying people NOT to work via Obamacare and food stamp transfers?

No? Then why are we talking about inflation being gone?

It may slow down a bit in certain sectors. It did so at times in the 70s too in response to Fed actions. But it always reared its ugly head again when the Fed took its foot off the gas. Until we do enough to stamp out the underlying conditions causing the inflation, it will continue to simmer under the surface, popping up in response to the slightest challenge. Until we solve the labor market issues that are driving continued wage growth, serious long-term reductions in inflation are unlikely.

Stock analysts know they are safe in predicting a stock price as long as they don’t also predict the date when it will hit that price. That way, they are guaranteed to be right ( some day ).

As best I can tell, Mate has predicted lower inflation in the not-too-distant future. That’s a pretty safe bet. If inflation drops to 4%-6% sometime in 2023 ( or maybe even 2024 ), he has the wiggle room to declare he was right.

Now, if he had predicted 2% inflation within 3 months, that would have been a BHAG ( Big, hairy,audacious goal ),

Can we all accept inflation will be lower within a year or two ?

Incidentally, from Justthenews.com, some doubt cast on the accuracy of government economic numbers:

“A recent string of errors and apparent discrepancies in federal statistics has raised concerns that such metrics, long regarded as irreproachably nonpartisan and credible, may have fallen prey to manipulation in favor of the incumbent Democratic Party.

The three most glaring recent examples of such statistical misfires are:

the Bureau of Labor Statistics' reported overestimate of second quarter job growth by a sizable margin;

the Census Bureau's population overcounts of blue states and undercounts of red states — in a reapportionment year;

the apparent disappearance of 50,000 asylum applications from the Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR).“

I will follow Mate's example and preeict that sometime in the future the sun will set in the west. When it happens, I will proclaim how smart I am despite the fact I pump gas for a living.

Ricky anytime interest rates are raised is in order to reduce inflation. Raising interest rates reduces spending especially larger purchase spending. People are less likely to buy cars or houses etc with higher interest rates. Of course they’ll still buy necessities like food and utilities. Yet they’re more likely to rent instead of buy, and clearly if they are spending less they are more likely to go for cheaper food options. So high end restaurants, food delivery services will suffer more, the more interest rates go up. Its basic macroeconomics the more you raise interest rates the more you shrink the money supply.
The food stamp and obamacare programs you mention, were already present before when interest rates were lower. So all else equal, raising interest rates means there is less inflation, or more deflation compared to before.
Also some economists have stated a small amount of inflation is fine its done alongside population growth and technological advancements.
And btw socialized programs have nothing to do with inflation, inflation is caused by printing money or increasing the money supply. A socialized program would take money away from one person to give to another person so inflation would net-net be the same if the money supply is the same.

Mate probably takes it up the ass from moneyman, or is it the other way around?

Theres too much bias involved in an inflation thread cause people who run a small business or own a significant amount of stocks desperately dont want inflation going down whereas people who have more in cash would want deflation. There have been a bunch of stocks crashing in price cause of expected deflation, and a bunch of stocks start crashing instantly anytime there is an announcement of interest rates going up. Also the real value of money stays the same no matter what inflation or deflation is going on so even if your business is making less money in dollar amounts, doesn’t mean you actually lost money if inflation also went down heavily.

This is an interesting conversation but there’s so much market manipulation happening that whatever happens, until the rug is pulled at least, is going to be driven by those forces. We could face hyperinflation (unlikely), persistent but lower inflation (likely) or even deflation (likely). Predictions from firms that have a role and stand to profit from market manipulation should be discarded.

Would recommend checking out some of the academic (not sponsored academic) chatter on the topics if you have a genuine interest.

I am increasingly convinced that we would be better off without a Fed trying to manipulate the economy. This cycle of boom and bust is largely a result of the Fed over reacting, both to stimulate the economy and pump the brakes to control inflation.

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The feds power can also be abused due to the control of the money supply. Some people argue the fed chairman is actually the most powerful man in the world, more powerful than the US president or anyone else.

Inflation may be receding for now, but investors should brace for another “spike” in the not-too-distant future, according to Scion Asset Management founder Michael Burry, who shared the warning in a New Year’s Day tweet.

The hedge-fund portfolio manager, who shot to fame thanks to Michael Lewis’s “Big Short,” expects the dynamics driving the next inflationary wave will be similar to the previous one: the Federal Reserve will slash interest rates while the Federal Government doles out stimulus in response to a recession that’s expected to begin later this year.

Mark, I use a lot of common sense in my simplistic analysis, and that being is that markets generally don’t lie. If the 5 and 10 year (3.5%)treasury yield is over 100 basis points lower than the feds overnight rate is, once they decide to up short term rates 25 basis points February 1st to above 4.5%+. Then that portends that over the next 5-10 years the inflation trend will go back to normal. I’d venture to say when the treasury department states its variable inflation bond rate in May, you’ll be seeing that rate under 4%. It gauges the cpi rate from Oct ‘22 to April ‘23. Can’t wait for that report to see what is most recent, as all official data lags 12- 18 months. When the fed was telling us inflation was transitory in 2021, they were using old information, and still using that for their stance. For those of us with income and discretionary funds, it’s a great time to buy when appreciable assets are on sale, after they’ve depreciated.

^^^ more about the markets telling us where interest rates are heading. “Trust the Bond Market, Not the Fed on Interest Rates, Gundlach Says”.
https://apple.news/AOEbgFfdLT5OyJhzhPec_…
Right now there’s a gap between where the bond market says interest rates are heading, and where Federal Reserve officials say they’re going—and the so-called bond king says investors should put their faith in markets.
“My 40 plus years of experience in finance strongly recommends that investors should look at what the market says over what the Fed says,” said Jeffrey Gundlach, the DoubleLine Capital chief executive and chief investment officer, in a webcast Tuesday, according to Bloomberg.
Markets are expecting interest rates to be cut by the end of the year, down to 4.5%, while Fed officials see rates holding above 5%.
One slide from Gundlach’s presentation recommended investors swap out the federal funds rate with the 2-year Treasury.
Minneapolis Fed President Neel Kashkari told the New York Times in an interview published this week that the central bank will be proved right. “I’ve spent enough time around Wall Street to know that they are culturally, institutionally, optimistic,” Kashkari said. “They are going to lose the game of chicken, I can tell you that,” he said.
Gundlach, as he’s been saying recently, made the case both for bonds as well as international stocks, according to a separate writeup from CNBC.
He also pointed out the ratio of copper to gold now sits below the yield on the 10-year Treasury—usually that ratio tracks the benchmark

^ Fuck you lying loser. Apple news is pablum for fucking pedophile retards like you bitch.

^^ SkiDumb just kill your self and get it over with so the world can become a better place w/out you. It’ll be the greatest accomplishment you’ve ever done in your pathetic life, you non reproducing swinging sack of excrement. Thank god the Lord chose to not have you procreate. That would have sent us that much closer to Idiocracy.

Again, if you could read it is a Barton’s article, ignoramous!

“Then that portends that over the next 5-10 years the inflation trend will go back to normal.”

Obviously. That’s like patting yourself on the back for correctly predicting the sun will rise in the East.

What’s the point of this thread ? To state the obvious as though it took a master intellect to discover it ?

Mark, have you gone all SkiDumb on us? Read the OP!! Not sure how good your comprehension is if you get distracted this easily from the opening topic. You’re welcome and I told you so!!

https://tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=807

Sans my original call last summer in predicting the actual peak!! You all should really be paying me to keep you up to date on reality. Again, you’re welcome.

^stupid little bitch. I doubt you can afford to go anywhere let alone a strip club. Barton's lol. You're a fucking retard boy.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2SL
M2 supply drops over 5% since my call last summer, justifying calls of “I told you so”!

CPI only rising 3.38% since September of ‘22, as that is the new variable rate for inflation bonds to be declared starting May 1 ‘23. The hits keep on coming! You’re welcome, by the way.