I don’t know about over there but over here many feel that comedy isn’t what it used to be due to all the political correctness and the SJ warriors looking to be offended by as much as possible.
Do people in the U.S think the same? Did you have sitcoms made say 10-20+ years ago that wouldn’t be made now?
In the relatively recent past we had shows like ‘Little Britain’ and ‘Come fly with me’ that would never be produced and there are never repeats.
Would ‘Friends’ be made now or are there people offended by that as well, stereotype issues etc?
I find TV almost downright unwatchable now I’ve personally moved to podcasts.
I never found friends funny, not my thing at all. But for those that find friends offensive, I guess because the whole group is white. There is a bunch of anti white hostility now a days. I don’t get it.
A lot of people would say All in the Family, they would not put up Archie Bunker. Shit even today they couldn’t put up with Mike Baxter (Tim Allen) from Last Man Standing.
You couldn’t make The Wire today. Best show ever. It’s too honest and real for people to handle today. And that was not even that long ago. Not some Law and Order equality criminal bullshit. You’ll see in some new telecasts today, they block out the CRIMINALS face. They don’t want to propagate stereotypes or some stupid shit forget being able to catch the guy and take him off the street.
The Office (US) comes to mind. This is one of my favorite comedy shows and the star, Steve Carrell, says he doesn't think it would've had the success today that it did just 10-15 years ago because of the PC climate of today. The show might not have made it past one season.
However, also depends on the network. Comedy Central doesn't give a single fuck, which is why South Park has been wildly successful for over two decades. Easily one of the most offensive shows ever, but it works, because that's the point; it's openly offensive. Another comfort show of mine.
Sex and the City is another comfort show that comes to mind in relation to this topic. The show was very flawed and sometimes extremely clumsy in its handling of POC, LGBTQ, etc. But I love it. They did some kind of reboot recently which I refuse to watch. They went over the top in PC-ness. I'm all for being inclusive, but don't ruin the premise of the show.
Also like Friends. It lacked diversity, but I never saw it as particularly problematic.
Dragonball was available on Cartoon Network for us children to watch. (RIP Cartoon Network 🥺😭)
There was one episode where a 10 year old kid removes a 16 year old girl’s panties and freaks out because she doesn’t have male genitalia. (He thought everyone did). She doesn’t realize her panties were removed. Later on, the wise old man marital arts master wants her to flash him her panties, and accidentally flashes him more than just her panties. The fact that made it on the air for us kids to see, and parents didn’t care, is pretty amazing in retrospect. Well okay, parents probably just didn’t notice because they were too cool to watch a cartoon, lol
There’s a difference between “wouldn’t be made” and “would be made differently.” No doubt Friends would have a minority character or two, but would that really change anything?
Muddy, I disagree on The Wire. As you’d guess, I’m a huge fan. It aired in 2002-2008. PC was already a thing. I’d even say that The Wire was one of the first shows where the black drug dealers were characters you could root for. That was actually a fairly progressive approach (kinda like Nino Brown in New Jack City). In addition, David Simon and George Pellicanos did “We Own This City” this year and didn’t pull any punches in their portrayal of Baltimore and its crime problems. There’s a lot of gray there. If they did remake it, I only wish they’d cut the fake serial killer storyline from season 5. 🤮
Hell “The Honeymooners” couldn’t be broadcast today, I read an article where the feminist brigade were critical of Ralph for threatening Alice in almost every episode with his famous line “to the moon Alice, to the moon”
Go to a drag show once, and you'll see that drag queens make the best jokes about cross dressing. My black favs and I are constantly saying un-PC racial stuff to each other. If you see PC as some big threat, you're probably just watching too much of CNN, MSNBC or Fox. The networks for people who like yelling but are too bougie to watch MTV Beach House.
You guys are dating yourselves. Modern comedy is as crude and funny as ever. IASIP, Rick & Morty, Archer, Dave, Futureman etc all great stuff. IASIP is every bit as relatable as friends except instead of being light-hearted, it is dark as fuck lol. Not to mention the budding Al Bundy worship going thru zoomers right now
It's also funny to look at it the other way. Compared to what's out there today, is the stuff NWA put out that bad? Would they literally ban 2 Live Crew?
Everything in media is derivative and formulaic. It’s the nature of the corporate world. You keep your job by playing it safe and politically correct. Stand up comedy is one of the only places where people still take chances.
It’s a British show - but I doubt The Benny Hill Show would have gotten so popular here now. I thought it was great silly comedy.
The premise of Hogans Heroes was pretty amazing - but brilliant for a comedy! That wouldn’t likely make it these days.
Friends would be fine. They would need to have a more diverse cast, but that’s likely all.
All in the Family wouldn’t get on TV. There are folks who see Archie as the true American worker - and they see Meathead as those who are useless and live off of government assistance. If it did get out on TV, I’d be interested to see how millennials view Meathead.
Lol odd question since it seems like anything goes now. But I dunno...Jackie Gleason promting domestic violence or Three Stooges with frequent racial stereotypes.
I've passed enough cars with the windows down, blaring WAP, full of teenage girls singing along, pumping their fists, to know that PC's bark is worse than it's bite.
Seinfeld was really tame and would have no problem being recreated today, albeit with an update for technology and culture. It's standard-fare Chuck Lorre-tier stuff.
Never seen Black Books. What about it could not be made today?
Cartoons as sitcoms by definition aren't cutting edge. Dating ourselves? Of course, we are. We grew up in free America not faggot mental health I don't feel safe trans America.
@Sancho the lead character is a chain-smoking, drunken, cynical, Irish misanthrope (and those are his good points). It's a deliberate skewering of the drunk mick stereotype, but people no longer understand satire.
Ah, so that would not be able to be aired anywhere today? I mean maybe not on basic-ass cable TV that dinosaurs still watch, but IDK why it could not be on Hulu/Nerflix/a platform that modern Americans watch.
So I’ve been reading articles that “The Karate Kid” is being trashed for being “too white”
So the new standard is to go after 40 year movies for not being diverse enough?
It’s gotta be tough being a modern casting director. How do you fit a black, a Hispanic, an Asian, and a mixed race homosexual couple into every cast. Oh year, don’t forget about the 8 year wondering which sex he wants to be today
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last commentI never found friends funny, not my thing at all. But for those that find friends offensive, I guess because the whole group is white. There is a bunch of anti white hostility now a days. I don’t get it.
A lot of people would say All in the Family, they would not put up Archie Bunker. Shit even today they couldn’t put up with Mike Baxter (Tim Allen) from Last Man Standing.
You couldn’t make The Wire today. Best show ever. It’s too honest and real for people to handle today. And that was not even that long ago. Not some Law and Order equality criminal bullshit. You’ll see in some new telecasts today, they block out the CRIMINALS face. They don’t want to propagate stereotypes or some stupid shit forget being able to catch the guy and take him off the street.
However, also depends on the network. Comedy Central doesn't give a single fuck, which is why South Park has been wildly successful for over two decades. Easily one of the most offensive shows ever, but it works, because that's the point; it's openly offensive. Another comfort show of mine.
Sex and the City is another comfort show that comes to mind in relation to this topic. The show was very flawed and sometimes extremely clumsy in its handling of POC, LGBTQ, etc. But I love it. They did some kind of reboot recently which I refuse to watch. They went over the top in PC-ness. I'm all for being inclusive, but don't ruin the premise of the show.
Also like Friends. It lacked diversity, but I never saw it as particularly problematic.
There was one episode where a 10 year old kid removes a 16 year old girl’s panties and freaks out because she doesn’t have male genitalia. (He thought everyone did). She doesn’t realize her panties were removed. Later on, the wise old man marital arts master wants her to flash him her panties, and accidentally flashes him more than just her panties. The fact that made it on the air for us kids to see, and parents didn’t care, is pretty amazing in retrospect. Well okay, parents probably just didn’t notice because they were too cool to watch a cartoon, lol
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Muddy, I disagree on The Wire. As you’d guess, I’m a huge fan. It aired in 2002-2008. PC was already a thing. I’d even say that The Wire was one of the first shows where the black drug dealers were characters you could root for. That was actually a fairly progressive approach (kinda like Nino Brown in New Jack City). In addition, David Simon and George Pellicanos did “We Own This City” this year and didn’t pull any punches in their portrayal of Baltimore and its crime problems. There’s a lot of gray there. If they did remake it, I only wish they’d cut the fake serial killer storyline from season 5. 🤮
Sometimes I'm ok with the confederate flag, I'll let it play...
Londonguy - not sure how old you are if your too young to remember “All in the Family” or even if it was aired in the UK.
but it was based on a British comedy — “Till Death Do Us Part”
However, the show driven by liberal America hating actors Alan Alda and Mike Farrell - morphed the show into a politicized left wing drama.
That could be most certainly be made today
The premise of Hogans Heroes was pretty amazing - but brilliant for a comedy! That wouldn’t likely make it these days.
Friends would be fine. They would need to have a more diverse cast, but that’s likely all.
All in the Family wouldn’t get on TV. There are folks who see Archie as the true American worker - and they see Meathead as those who are useless and live off of government assistance. If it did get out on TV, I’d be interested to see how millennials view Meathead.
Never seen Black Books. What about it could not be made today?
So the new standard is to go after 40 year movies for not being diverse enough?
It’s gotta be tough being a modern casting director. How do you fit a black, a Hispanic, an Asian, and a mixed race homosexual couple into every cast. Oh year, don’t forget about the 8 year wondering which sex he wants to be today