A simple way to solve all the issues in the world

You're right

I prefer vodka or scotch to pot.

Let's sit down in a strip club together to drink or smoke.

I see Putin more as a coke guy

Ghost Train Haze.

Marijuana makes people stupid and dangerous.

SJG

Have Nots
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I prefer edibles, but sure I’ll join in

Sjg the berenson guy you keep quoting says weed causes autism....

I wish he did not say that. I have not read his marijuana stuff, but I plan to.

He is coming out of a medical an pharmacological culture, and so the Autism Hoax is something which goes unchallenged. But it is clearly peripheral to his message. His message is that marijuana fucks you up. I have seen this regularly in all walks of life.

SJG

It's his main thing. His career is built on his views on mental illness. The Covid stuff is peripheral to his life's work

Icey, are you intoxicated on something right now?

Life rarely gives us gurus whom we can just unconditionally submit to.

As it is with most who have something worthwhile to say, Berenson brings the prejudices and fallacies of his environment with him. One just has to filter it out.

But he has also done tremendous work, first book on COVID in June 2020, showing how completely irrational the COVID response is, and how unsafe and ineffective that so called vaccine is, and how nutty it is to try and tell everyone that they should get needled.

And then if Berenson is saying that marijuana causes autism, then he is looking at it like France and the Latin American countries do. They see autism as a psychosis, something caused by environmental factors, rather than being congenital and genetic.

But the American autism industry is something else, created by parents trying to defend themselves against Bruno Bettleheim. And this is still today what it is, except that with these "Autism Narratives" you have those who have accepted the label now proclaiming it for themselves. So of course, the way they see it in France and Latin America, and the way it sounds like Berenson is looking at it, will make them livid.

It is all Socially Constructed, and it is not at all useful, and on one should stand for it.

The Social Construction of Autism: Identity Politics in Our Culture by Sami Tamimi (extremely good)
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SJG

Nope not intoxicated. Are you off your psyche meds?

Do you use the suppository type of psyche meds, shove them up your ass?

SJG

There is a cannabis/schizophrenia correlation in the young.

Sjg attack me and ill attack you.

I never new there were psyche depositors. Apparently comparing is used for psychosis. Including that caused by autism.

You learn something every day lulz

Compazine not comparing lulz

Tetradon, off course I do not literally go along with that, mental illness, but I know that marijuana fucks people up, and this is what Alex Berenson is saying.

SJG

^ Where do you draw the boundary between mental illness and an organic brain dysfunction?

Berenson uses the term mental illness

Tetradon, there is no such thing as mental illness.

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Organic brain dysfunction? Well sometimes people die, and they do get senile and they do lose memory faculties.

This is the best:
en.wikipedia.org

SJG

^ I was hoping you'd post actual science.

Sjgs science posts are as viable as his political posts

There is absolutely no actual science to support the idea of mental illness, and there never has been any.

A Conversation With Robert Whitaker: Journalist, Author & Expert, Founder of Mad In America
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SJG

^ I could post something about neurotransmitter levels in major depression/bipolar/schizophrenia, genotype-phenotype correlations, but something tells me he would post more nonsense.

There are no brain chemical indicators of mental illness. It is all a myth and all sociologically defined.

Robert Whitaker: The Astonishing Rise of Mental Illness in the US
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SJG

I always say if everyone in the world (of age) smoked a blunt at the same time, we would achieve world peace for a good hour or so.

You and I have talked about this before Nina, and I know your views.

Marijuana makes you stupid and dangerous.

SJG

You don't believe sjg when it doesn't fit your narrative and do when it does. Despite it all being equally out there

There's very few people on here I'd smoke with

The world is soup of works Icey. But if you look and try to make sense of it:

1. Marijuana is no good
2. Autism is a hoax
3. Mental Illness is a myth

SJG

You forgot to add
Covid is cured with sleep
Biden is a genius
Fake ukrainian war propaganda is real

I am not saying that there is no dirt on the hands of ukranians, but Putin alone is responsible for the death and destruction.

If you test positive for COVID, they tell you to go home, self quarantine, and sleep.

Biden continues to show excellent judgement and leadership.

SJG

"There are no brain chemical indicators of mental illness. It is all a myth and all sociologically defined."

False.
Schizophrenia is associated with disordered dopaminergic neurotransmission and abnormal neuronal connectivity.
Bipolar disorder is associated with ion channel (mostly sodium channel) abnormalities, hence the efficacy of sodium channel modulators in treating it.

But what do the scientists know--you watched a youtube video!

Lulz.

No, know one knows that there are such chemical effects outside of present mood. No one knows that there are any chemical causes.

Mental Illness is a hysteria measured by the number of people in disability.

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And the psyche meds get ingested for the same reasons that street drugs and alcohol do.

SJG

"No one knows that there are any chemical causes."

False. Read some actual science.

The Ukrainian government has been enlisting neonazis to kill and has beem.bombing it s own people since 2014. That's the reason for the invasion

^^ you are wrong, you are the one reading non-science. It just masquerades as science.

^ you are reading Russian and US Far Right propaganda.

SJG

It's been in tyr mainstream news since 2014.

But its all propaganda and anything saying mental illness exists is pseudoscience?

You are asserting without evidence that you know better than thousands of actual physicians and scientists. Why should anyone believe that you know better?

Look up neurobiology of schizophrenia, major depression, bipolar.

These are organic brain diseases, same as Alzheimer's or multiple sclerosis.

Tetradon is a fucking idiot qcting like arguing about these things with sjg makes him look smart 🤡

^ Be careful, you might soon be fundraising for the Nevada Republican Party...

Tetradon, watch Robert Whittaker.

We have lots of scientists who work with mental illness. This is the locus of the problem.

And sure we have these organic brain problems. But those are not mental illness.

And Icey, the one responsible for carnage and slaughter is Vladimir Putin.

SJG

^ Who is Robert Whitaker and what are his science credentials? Looks like he's a journalist.

He is a medical journalist.

Look also at Psychiatrist Peter Breggin:
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SJG

Trolladon donate to who you want. I can send you my cashapp if you.want

Now get back to trolling and harassing sjg

To make yourself feel smart

^ Man, I would have thought us agreeing on something would make you less of an anus for a few posts...

What's the point of trolling him or anyone? There is none

^ Trolling? No, I was disagreeing and posting evidence. Not every disagreement is trolling.

His views come from a place that's hard for us to understand coz we're not in his shoes.

^ That could be said for any one of us

Some people are easy to get. And some views are unacceptable. I've known someone like him before.

And I never had a problem with you til you started trolling me

^ I've known, and has political debates with, people of all stripes. Lately I've had a couple good PM conversations with self identified leftists here.

I watch more for how someone expresses their views and their thought processes behind it. Do they think through their decisions and assume good faith even when they disagree? That's part of the problem these days, that the other side has to be "evil," not just "wrong." If they show themselves incapable of a rational conversation, I can play that game too.

Right and wrong exist. There is such a thing as epistemological truth.

Good bad evil those are attempts at turning something into an emotive rant.

And left vs right is often irrelevant. It often ignores the organization of the economy and instead comes down to questions of social permissiveness. Which is just fluff.

And right 2ing sheltered drivel is meaningless

^ Hope you can see how you're being the aggressor here.

Nah I'm just not stupid

^ aaaaaaaand just like that, we're right back where we started.

"And I never had a problem with you til you started trolling me"

Should read

"And I never had a problem with you til you started expressing opinions I didn't agree with."

^ he doesn’t disagree with anything, he just posts what he believes will cause the most shit, don’t ever give Iceefag credibility like that, you should know better

Nope til you started trolling me. And there's no point in pretending someone's wrong views about some things are valid. And sure they may have valid views on other things. They're just misguided people

"Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views."

• William F. Buckley, Jr.

Says it perfectly.

Most American liberals are just conservatives who believe in social permissiveness. Or vote Democrat

The opposite of leftist values is bigotry.

No normal person will support bigots

^ Making my point again. We can talk facts or sling insults, and I'm betting I can do both better than you can.

You sling personal insults.

If someone is a bigot and views being called what they are pejorative. Maybe they should look in the mirror and rethink their views.

Truth is cacaplop is no different from any of the Republicans on here.

^ Maybe we don't value the opinions of a pimp and thief about what is moral.

That is a fact.

You're being defensive for a reason. Bigot

Complete lack of self-awareness.

No I just don't believe in pretending bigotry is okay.

I wouldn't hold a view I believed to be bigoted, obviously.

You'd rather call names than make logical points, so we're back where we began.

No. You started the name calling.

Your views on civil rights protests for example are racist and bigoted. Your views on the poor are bigoted. Your support of the republican party is bigoted.

Donating money to right wing groups is bigoted

And your view on what is and isn't "bigoted" means less than nothing to me.

That's your problem. But it's how your views make you come across.

You have a very myopic world view and that's why you think it's okay to think like that.

How about this quote.

"I've been called worse things by better people."

• Pierre Trudeau

Simple plan for peace: keep enlarging Vlad's conference table until he gets pinned against the wall.

Own up to being a bigot. If you think it's pejorative don't be one

Anyways right wing views aren't socially acceptable in normal circles

I live in a much bluer state than you and have left-leaning friends from all walks of life. I've talked politics with people ranging from elite academic professors to guys ranting about the "New World Order" (and I don't mean the pro wrestling one) at gun shows to left-leaning TUSCLers. You're the only one to have called me a bigot, and not a voice I particularly respect on the matter.

Either you're way off base, or yet another internet loudmouth.

They humor you. I just call it like I see it.

And see you resorted to name calling like usual.

Now you'll keep responding all day either trolling or turning every thread into your personal soap box.

Go ahead keep proving me right.

"They humor you."
Amazing how you know the dozens of left-leaning people I've talked to better than I do.
Some of them are on this board

"I just call it like I see it."
As am I.

Biden and his people are doing an excellent job handling the Ukraine situation.

You don't ever get the impression that any one of them thinks like a pot head.

SJG