Do Things Really "Get Better" In VIP (Or more expensive option)
minnow
Any place that interests me.
IMO, a qualified NO. Pretty much, what you get in basic dances is what you get in VIP. In 2 cases, things did get better, once on subsequent visits, another time, that night. But, both times, mileage was at basically good level to begin with.
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I can sense they like the aggressiveness, seems to be a turn-on of sorts, in a club sort of way at least, especially when the club is loaded with guys spending an average of about 10 to 15 bucks for their drink and almost nothing else
A few weeks this worked very well with this super-exotic beauty, but she was over 30, and understood what I wanted which is practically nothing, except a bit of kissing during the last 1/2 hour once you do the conversation thing
Today I tried the same thing with this very very pretty feminine-type soft spoken dancer who turned out to be only 19 years old, something I of course didn't know when I first approached her. I probably has 10 to 12 girls I could have selected, most of them 8 or higher and I selected her.
Found out later she had some regulars now and then doing TWO hours or more at a shot just for "conversation" and then doing it with one of her friends, one guy spending way beyond his means - just for kicks because he was getting a divorce (she tells me). Apparently she's been raking in the dollars, about 500 to 900 per shift, pretty good for someone that's only been dancing for 4 months
Even though I hinted with her beforehand that I ask for or require very little in the CR, and alluded to her what I'm interested in, the session ended up a nice conversation, basically hugging and nudging around the mouth, and when the final hint came it was "against her rules" - pretty bad, basically a total waste for that price
Turns out she's is very afraid in general of CR sessions because she doesn't do nude per se (below waist) and of course nothing else except conversation, so she said she was relieved when I limited what I wanted
Now this girl had no boyfriend and had she, I honestly would have not even asked at all even after entering the CR, however she was very young and so what I was suggesting probably I guess might be pushing it.
In any case one can understand why so many people are going to AMPs or escorts today, the clubs are very overpriced
Now of course I do have a few ATFs type that make up for all the problems that strip clubs have, and they can be wonderous women
The one exception...Oasis Goodtime Emporium in Atlanta. VIP is expensive, but worth it.
So then he wants to know how he will get what he is paying for, if the the dancer isn't willing to say more than he'll be very happy. I said, You pay, then you'll be happy if that is what she said. So how do I know if I've never been back to the VIP? Oh, because I've known her over a year at different clubs and she likes to make paying customers happy! :)
With that, he is up and spending money immediately. Then when he is done he thanks me and says that she is the greatest. And, he can't believe how reasonable the cost was. Wants to move to Miami! :) I had the opportunity to talk with her later and she also thanked me. She said it was one of the easiest jobs she ever had. That he loved everything, which in turn made her want to do even more than she promised . . .
A wonderful win/win. :)
some rules I noted in September:
1. not in a random 1st time or near first time private dance, there's no connection anyways - so why bother
2. never never would I force or aggressively push for a kiss from a dancer on the mouth (nor anywhere near it) w/o some kind of permission, either implicit or explicit.
3. preferably dancers in their late 20's or older (so far at least) as too many head-case young girls in the business, although I am sure there are many exceptions
4. if you know or have info they've got a current boyfriend, especially early stage hot love affair deals, I would abosolutely not want to kiss such a dancer. The level of fakery exceeds even my standards.
5. would not want if the dancer has unavailable boyfriends due to current incarceration in the state, fed or local prison
6. if it gets involved,e.g. more than light kissing, there has to be some sign of mutuality or reciprocity on the dancer's part, ie you must sense she either doesn't mind it or (ideally) gets into it a bit, so you don't feel its a total one way street situation
Like the used car dealer that says: "This car is the greatest car in the world" Yes, obviously sales puffing, and disregarded
However for that matter nearly every explicit promise offered in VIP would be void anyways under public policy grounds, as void for illegality, as clearly these generally fall under statutes prohibiting sexual acts in exchange for money, including services far below FS
Not that anyone would attempt to enforce any of these promises, but the dancers know they can promise almost anything, and so long as they don't care for repeat business from that customer - any promise is going to be made
And, yes SuperDude you can complain to management even if you don't know him. You do it tactfully and when I do it getting a refund isn't the issue. I make that VERY clear that I don't want a refund and it really isn't about me getting ripped off. It is about protecting other customers and the club. Yes, it is about protecting the club. Believe it or not the club generally doesn't like ROBs----ok, there is one exception that I'm aware of. Secrets is a hardcore club that is totally different than Angels even though ownership is the same. Secrets is hardcore in that you can run into bad management and bad dancers and get taken for a pretty penny. Services not render isn't a real problem, however, it is an issue of fraud and extortion. Angels is very pro customer in contrast. You complain and very likely you'll get results and an apology.
And, it isn't about FS or being graphic about what exactly the dancer promised. It is the fact that you are an unhappy customer because she promised you the world and delivered sh*t. Remember, you aren't seeking a refund (although I have definitely been offered refunds--which I refused explaining that isn't the issue) it is about protecting the other customers and the club from a bad dancer.
One thing to remember is that not all VIP rooms are conducive to things actually "getting better". My current favorite club has cameras in VIP and none in the isolated private dance stalls. I asked my fav if she wanted to do a VIP room about a month ago and she told me I wouldn't be able to suck her nipples or finger her in their so we stuck with the very dark private dance area...
Most of the places that I've frequented don't even have VIP rooms so this was rarely an issue for me. And when they did, I might try them just out of curiousity but for the most part it was always an economic consideration for me - which was the better deal? For example I always did VIPs at Brad's because it was cheaper than paying by the dance. Personally I think they should all be like that but I don't know of anywhere else that is - most VIP rooms are grossly overpriced which is why I don't do them.
I have never received, in the regular dance areas, what was obtained in the VIP rooms. Are all the clubs the same, of course not. But then that wasn't the question.
I also agree that for a lot of guys you can get exactly what you might want/need in a regular lap dance area. It depends what your "thing" is. You don't need to go in a VIP room to get a kiss, but I wouldn't want FS from a girl in a wide-open lap dance area (too many people would want my autograph afterwards...lol...). You never know, OTC may put the VIP room to shame. One time at Club Fantasies in RI, the champange never showed up to our room, but I didn't mind (since I don't drink).