I probably do a state business friendly state like Florida. I wouldn’t go into a city, safer suburb less nonsense. We’re getting to a point we’re cities are becoming so fucked up with zero regard or interest in protecting citizens property I’m not planting my business in one. Case in point San Francisco.
I would imagine there are a whole bunch of hoops and headaches involved in opening a strip-club and I think having the $$$ to do so would actually be the least of the concerns/obstacles -not to mention that it seems very hard if not impossible to get a permit to open a club; more often than not one would have to take over an existing club and likely lease the permit from the current-owner.
Having said this, I guess an area that is friendly to strip-clubs where as an operator you don't have to be on pins-and-needles policing everything the custies and dancers do b/c of tight/overbearing local-ordinances - I would think clubs that have more leeway in what services they can provide would be more profitable but I'm no business-man.
Suburbs are hostile to most things they're purveyors of.
Picture a topleas or all nude marijuana lounge though. I'd model it on a 19th century persian or Chinese opium den. And hire exotic looking girls . Sexy Asians... and when it comes to music I'd focus on British urban music like grime....some of the Indian music from there. British and German house music. Make it something different.
I'd even consider it being sort of like a retro type vibe with dancers wearing sexy dresses with nothing underneath. Waitresses in lingerie.
Its sexy af to smoke weed with a girl who has her tits hanging out and her dress runs up with no panties.
A number of states have legalized casinos. Some of these casinos are located in somewhat rural areas between two or more major population centers. Most of the casinos have easy access to interstates. Many of these casinos attract a steady flow of customers from the adjacent cities.
Why not locate a strip club near an interstate exit that features a popular casino. Better yet, you could focus on a state that had legalized recreational marijuana. Nothing like combining vices: gambling, weed and strippers.
Cautionary note: some of the casinos are located on tribal lands so you'll need to verify that land is available close to the casino that would not be regulated by overly restrictive zoning ordinances. Or, find a tribe with a bunch of horny elders/leaders who would consider reinvesting some of the casino profits in a strip club.
Regardless of location, it's honestly dependent onht the local ordinance is. For example, the Florida panhandle forbids new clubs opening unless the location of choice previously operated as a cabaret/sexually oriented business. Most counties/cities have weird stipulations like that or similar.
I would imagine someplace that is currently experiencing population growth and enjoys a certain amount of tourist traffic would be optimal. Florida is an obvious choice, as is Texas, Arizona, South Carolina and certain other states.
I agree with others who say that being too close to a city center seems to be a recipe for a current or future zoning fight, but I also disagree that the "boonies" are a great option. Look at almost any southern city and you'll see that the clubs are generally located along the less desirable city outskirts or in party areas (like along some beachfronts).
I don’t think that there are any good places to open a completely new strip club in the United States, the puritans seem to be in control of the local governments all over the country, you might have a shot if you can find a club that is open at a reasonable price and take over an existing business, but a new club will cost more than makes financial sense.
Based on what is successful here in Houston, the best location is near an airport and major hotels. Also near major shopping center. The St James and the Mile High are both doing very well and are close to IAH airport and the business hotels near there. The Galleria area has Mens Club, Treasures, Colorado, Chicas Locas and several others.
A lot of good points being made on here with regards to local business regs, customer traffic, target population, etc. Something else to consider is to locate your club where you can have access to good talent. There are a lot of states and cities which would be business friendly, but are too damned difficult to staff with attractive dancers. I don't want to employ a bunch of toothless fatties or classless booty queens (sorry, Papi) in any business, much less having to see them naked all night. I would be looking to have a club fairly close to major state universities with robust pre-professional and post grad programs -LSU Baton Rouge, ASU Phoenix, UNF Jacksonville- where there would be more attractive, young, cash-strapped co-eds. You have to tolerate more drug and booze-fueled frat boys, but I think the offset still works.
If you can afford to open a club, you could afford to spend as much time as you want with strippers as a customer. All the fun, none of the hassle. Owning the club would seem to open you up to harassment lawsuits if you were having sex with the "independent contractors" that worked at your establishment.
Having said that, if I was going to open a club it would on the old Mons Venus concept. Seven up dancers, reasonable dance prices, high volume so the girls made bank, no private rooms to avoid the prostitution allegations. I would hire Luke Lirot as my attorney. Tampa tried to get rid of Joe Redner for decades and the end result was they ended up paying him damages and attorney fees. I would then open within a twenty minute drive of downtown Nashville. Plenty of locals, plenty of tourists, and the current clubs absolutely suck. I would name it GEMS. That way married guys could tell their wives they went to the gym after work.
Well before covid and all these riots I would have said the downtown of any major city with a lot of biz travelers and white collars.
Post covid I am going to say in a mid size or small city with no clubs for lots of miles so you can have all the biz in a 1 or 200 mile radius.
The suburb clubs in portland are kind of wack so I am basing my anti suburb opinion on that. Tho from what nicespice says the twin cities suburb she worked in was good so idk.
You don't want to go retail cause zoning ordinances will stop you and cause labor laws like CA AB-5 will mess you up. You need to do it by this private party / membership club model.
And the SF bay area would be great:
San Jose, super tough LE has made it so only our underground clubs are any good.
Oakland, unconstitutionally tested ordinance outlaws strip clubs. So there are only hooker bars.
San Francisco, zoning, DotCom real estate prices, and Deja Vu's monopoly of clip joints have ruined it.
I think the key to a successful strip club is high customer turnaround rates. Once a club becomes a local hangout it plateaus and gets a reputation that defines it to potential new customers. You want to avoid niche marketing and shit n shit
In all my travels I’d say a good bet is near an airport. Try to think of what cities do not have clubs or “good clubs” near their airport.
Then again like said before times are changing and there aren’t PLs like me traveling as much as they used to.
Some of my favorite clubs in North America are near airports. They’re there for a reason. Near interstates, casinos, large truck stops, sports arenas seems like good bets too.
Whatever the answer is, is not in the hood. PL's even second guess going into the hood, what do you think a pretty 20 something girl is gonna do? They don't wanna do that shit. Safety I would put the No.1 priority, not just for strip clubs but for any business. For example people wonder if racism is causing the "food deserts" in certain urban areas. Nope, nothing to do with it. SAFTEY. There just happens to be quite a few people out there who run, work in and utilize these various business's that don't feel like getting robbed, beaten or shot. Wow who'd a thought!!!
—>“Tho from what nicespice says the twin cities suburb she worked in was good so idk.”
Found out the clubs in that area reverted to requiring proof of vax + masks which is ouch :/ But yeah that club is super consistent still imo. Last I was there, there were customers who recognized me from two years prior . And they are cool club regs who spend money unlike a lot of places. But downtown there seemed to still not be doing bad at least judging from talking to people, at least when there isn’t Covid restriction stuff
I agree with muddy, a lot of clubs seem to be horribly located. I don't worry about something happening to me per se because I'm just a mean and nasty one to mess with. But I feel like someone may break in to my car or steal my cat in say downtown portland which this is super common there. No fucking thank you.
If it seems like a good spot and there isn’t competition the local government is probably unfriendly. I’d be afraid to invest in a club. You never know when you might become a target for local government and risk losing your investment.
I think the biggest impediment to a successful money-making club is local LE and how loose or tight their ordinances are – I think location is at best 2nd-place – how many clubs do we know of that are “in a great location” but suck and don’t get that much custy-traffic or at least consistent foot-traffic – a SC is something you hit once in a while vs something one would commute-‘to day-in day-out; it’s something one hits at nights and often on weekends where one is usually not fighting rush-hour-traffic nor is in a hurry and thus more willing to drive further to a better club which is likely what most SCers do. Take Follies for example, was pretty-far from the airport and one had to fight that nasty ATL-traffic and was seemingly far from where most ATLers lived yet it was packed 7-days-a-week day and night.
IMO if you build a good strip-club people will go – I actually always thought that building them in non-residential areas mostly out-of-view of civilians that this would allow for better clubs that got hassled less.
I think someone above mentioned near casinos on Indian reservations - seems different rules apply to reservations but perhaps only to gaming and perhaps why none have SCs - but sounds like that would be a good thing if reservations could also build SCs where LE didn't have jurisdiction but I assume the reservations don't have that leeway w.r.t. SCs.
The Prairie Chicken Bar & Resort in SD is on a reservation. Nicespice did a review back in November. But it might be different in other locations. Need a good attorney.
Casinos don't want the liability. At least in Nevada. And if you run a legit business you don't have to worry about LE or ordinances. I think the location itself may not matter much. People are willing to go to where ever clubs are zoned. The big thing is a customer pool. I think you need a large metropolitan area or a place with a lot of tourist traffic.
—>“The Prairie Chicken Bar & Resort in SD is on a reservation. Nicespice did a review back in November. But it might be different in other locations. Need a good attorney.”
I remember the club owner mentioning the hassle that meant his club was under both the county and Indian reservation at the same time. Which was why the club hasn’t had a liquor license for most of its existence.
I don't think there should be so much zoning to restrict clubs, but I do think they need to be policed more. I would love to go back to an era or low or no touching being the standard nationwide. And guys claim they won't pay for that, but I still think they would if it was like hotter girls or maybe they do more explicit sht like touch themselves w/e. I would be more ok with this toy show type sht fuckery if it was strict zero touching like get kicked the f out no refund.
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Having said this, I guess an area that is friendly to strip-clubs where as an operator you don't have to be on pins-and-needles policing everything the custies and dancers do b/c of tight/overbearing local-ordinances - I would think clubs that have more leeway in what services they can provide would be more profitable but I'm no business-man.
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An affordable club in Vegas. Focus on customer volume instead of bleeding customers dry.
Picture a topleas or all nude marijuana lounge though. I'd model it on a 19th century persian or Chinese opium den. And hire exotic looking girls . Sexy Asians... and when it comes to music I'd focus on British urban music like grime....some of the Indian music from there. British and German house music. Make it something different.
I'd even consider it being sort of like a retro type vibe with dancers wearing sexy dresses with nothing underneath. Waitresses in lingerie.
Its sexy af to smoke weed with a girl who has her tits hanging out and her dress runs up with no panties.
Why not locate a strip club near an interstate exit that features a popular casino. Better yet, you could focus on a state that had legalized recreational marijuana. Nothing like combining vices: gambling, weed and strippers.
Cautionary note: some of the casinos are located on tribal lands so you'll need to verify that land is available close to the casino that would not be regulated by overly restrictive zoning ordinances. Or, find a tribe with a bunch of horny elders/leaders who would consider reinvesting some of the casino profits in a strip club.
I agree with others who say that being too close to a city center seems to be a recipe for a current or future zoning fight, but I also disagree that the "boonies" are a great option. Look at almost any southern city and you'll see that the clubs are generally located along the less desirable city outskirts or in party areas (like along some beachfronts).
Having said that, if I was going to open a club it would on the old Mons Venus concept. Seven up dancers, reasonable dance prices, high volume so the girls made bank, no private rooms to avoid the prostitution allegations. I would hire Luke Lirot as my attorney. Tampa tried to get rid of Joe Redner for decades and the end result was they ended up paying him damages and attorney fees. I would then open within a twenty minute drive of downtown Nashville. Plenty of locals, plenty of tourists, and the current clubs absolutely suck. I would name it GEMS. That way married guys could tell their wives they went to the gym after work.
Post covid I am going to say in a mid size or small city with no clubs for lots of miles so you can have all the biz in a 1 or 200 mile radius.
The suburb clubs in portland are kind of wack so I am basing my anti suburb opinion on that. Tho from what nicespice says the twin cities suburb she worked in was good so idk.
But look, the issue is not where, it is according to what compliance model:
https://tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=7836…
You don't want to go retail cause zoning ordinances will stop you and cause labor laws like CA AB-5 will mess you up. You need to do it by this private party / membership club model.
And the SF bay area would be great:
San Jose, super tough LE has made it so only our underground clubs are any good.
Oakland, unconstitutionally tested ordinance outlaws strip clubs. So there are only hooker bars.
San Francisco, zoning, DotCom real estate prices, and Deja Vu's monopoly of clip joints have ruined it.
SJG
Then again like said before times are changing and there aren’t PLs like me traveling as much as they used to.
Some of my favorite clubs in North America are near airports. They’re there for a reason. Near interstates, casinos, large truck stops, sports arenas seems like good bets too.
Found out the clubs in that area reverted to requiring proof of vax + masks which is ouch :/ But yeah that club is super consistent still imo. Last I was there, there were customers who recognized me from two years prior . And they are cool club regs who spend money unlike a lot of places. But downtown there seemed to still not be doing bad at least judging from talking to people, at least when there isn’t Covid restriction stuff
IMO if you build a good strip-club people will go – I actually always thought that building them in non-residential areas mostly out-of-view of civilians that this would allow for better clubs that got hassled less.
I remember the club owner mentioning the hassle that meant his club was under both the county and Indian reservation at the same time. Which was why the club hasn’t had a liquor license for most of its existence.
I think a problem is that too many girls go along with today's lack of standards coz they don't know how to hustle.