Riches earned by HK girls

But Icee says we are taking advantage of these girls !

In all seriousness, I am always surprised by how many very educated girls I run across there. And many are from upper income Mexican families. Now this is Hong Kong. I don't think the other clubs in the Zona get the same quality that HK does.

Interesting point Warrior15. Never imagined girls from "upper income" families being in HK? What is "upper income" in HK? From reading online, I believe a monthly income over $1,000 per month for a family puts them in "upper middle class". A girl can earn that over a weekend.

Idk, if somebody is “higher class” (or at least gives the appearance of that) I think they would be in Mexico City. I just say that because I met a dancer originally from Mexico before who danced over there, and described it briefly, and said that was where the wealth and money was..or at least used be at one point but she’s been in the US for near a decade at clubs.

I asked her about what dancers thought of Tijuana and she says that’s a scary place. As in, she went over there once (not to dance) and witnessed a dead sliced up body from somebody she had casually chatted with a day or two prior. And said there was a lot of pimping and drugs going on with the clubs and she would never even consider any “club” there and considers those horrible places.

She currently dances in a city/club that the tuscl crowd would consider an upscale overpriced tourist trap.

It was an interesting convo.

Wow sex tourists thinking they're doing a good deed.

$100 is like a week's worth of minimum wage in Mexico.

And no you're not getting good girls I'm whore houses. But then you're the type of dumbasses to tell yourselves sugar babies aren't hookers and otc isn't solicitation. Guess you'll lie about anything to pretend you're not just creepy tricks.

Mexico minimum wage along the norther border zone is 213.39 peso per day. Looking it up, a six day work week at 48 hours total is the norm.
https://www.mexperience.com/mexicos-mini…

Legally, Mexicans have to get paid as if it’s 7 days a week.
https://www.centrisinfo.com/benefits-of-…

So altogether that is 1493.73 pesos per week. Which translates to $73.43 in USD.

Technically $100 is more than a week’s worth of wages at minimum wage. Tho I guess it also depends on how much the club is making off transactions that could bring things down. 🤔

The average annual income in Mexico is about $10,500, but most citizens live in less than that.
https://retirepedia.com/cost-of-living-i…

Assuming an arriba is $100 and after expenses they keep $50 then 210 arribas are required to hit “average” income wise. No clue how many shifts one has to do to hit that number. TUSCLers make it sound like closing an arriba can be really competitive though, so maybe I’ll say 3? (Somebody can probably clarify better for me). Assuming that, there is 70 shifts required.

I get the impression one can do well but not get rich. At least from that alone.

Nope look up current exchange rates.

Regardless fuck sex tourism

^I did. Those exchange rates came straight from google. 🙂

They say it is about $1.25 / hr min wage, so $50 a week in the factories.

But need to look not at average income, but at median income to know what most people are getting.

I will be building extensive business operations in Mexico. When I am there it will not be just for "Sex Tourism". Starting with putas is just an easy way to get an in with people from the start. Its not cause I want women who will just go away, they will all be getting groomed for The Organization. And then if they accept, they will be getting an education, building an outside career, and if they wish, being made into entrepreneurs.


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There are a lot of Americans living in Tijuana and other parts of Mexico due to the lower cost of living. That includes people still working and crossing the border daily. But there is a down side. The cost of living is lower but so is the standard of living. Unless you have gotten out of the TJ whore houses and seen the real living conditions, you cannot totally understand the issues. I have seen where my ex wife grew up in southern Mexico and where a retired co worker lived on Lake Chapala near Guadalajara and the things he had to endure. No thanks. I'm staying here where I know the things I want are available.

^ I spent two years in southeast Mexico on a construction project, in the vicinity of Playa del Carmen, there is a very rich group of Mexicans, they live well, but most people are subsistence workers in almost every industry, the comfort level in the best places is not close to comparable to living in the United States, life in most of Mexico is hard, I agree Shadowcat, it's much better here most of the Americans that emigrate because of how cheap it is to live there, eventually return, because of a lack of services that are needed.

^^^^^ two very well made points!

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Being middle class in Mexico is a better lifestyle than middle class kn the US

Nicespice try googling harder

^ You really don't know what you are talking about

^^^^ Well the middle class in the US has been under direct attack for 40 years. Clinton and Obama tried to reverse this, but the did not do enough. Biden is not doing enough to reverse this either.

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Fun fact:

Icee never admits that she's wrong. She'll either deflect the issue, make a strawman argument, or flat out double down on the same wrong point rather than admit to being wrong.

🤭🤡

Icey is one of the more reasonable and open to discussion people on this board.

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I think Icee hears voices and doesn't get it that they aren't real

Tell me SJG what is reasonable about making up shit about places he's never been and has zero understanding of. Factually I have lived in Mexico he's never been there you really believe Icee has more first hand knowledge then I do, or shadowcat does, if that's the case you aren't very intelligent, but go ahead you believe what you like, hope it serves you well.

Well, the systematic destruction of America's middle-class has been extensively documented.

Icey seems to be Hispanic and to live in the LA metro. He may have contacts with Mexico.

I know that most Mexicans would not want to live here.

SJG

^ Icee is about as hispanic as an untrained water buffalo

Before immigration laws were tightened, there were lots of Mexican men who came her alone to work. Then they would go back to their families.

But now that is not possible.

SJG

^ 25

I spent my whole life in this planet most of my adult life as Math and Science Professor in the vicinity of Beverly Hills, there is a very rich group of humans there, they live well, but most people around them are subsistence workers in almost every industry, the comfort level in the best places is not close to comparable to living in the Rich areas of the World, life in most of the world is hard, it's much better in Beverly Hills, most of the people that emigrate to poor areas, because of how cheap it is to live there, eventually discover why it is cheap, because of a lack of services that are needed.

There I fixed it for you all. You’re welcome 😇

Thanks CJ for that take on it.

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Wow CJ exactly what did you fix, if you think that subsistence level living in the surrounding area of Beverly Hills is similar to subsistence level living in the area surrounding San Luis Potosi is similar you're another idiot, that hasn't got a fuckn clue GTFOH

I think some BG are making a crap load of $$. I’ve seen em arrive in Land Rover, Benz, hummers. Granted thats not necessarily painting the whole picture. But the getting paid is USD, but spending in pesos. Savings already. The rent and food is cheap.

One chica told me she got fined $300 cuz she took an unapproved week off for her birthday, went to Cancun. She made double that fine on her first day back, a Tuesday.

In the DR, i lived comfy, not lavish for $650/month, all in, just for a different perspective on cost of living.

Being middle class in Mexico let's you afford a home in a nice area you can afford things like a a maid or renting a driver. You have more discretionary income than in the US and greater and much cheaper access to health care education etc. Middle class there is like upper middle class in the US.

@25

Not similar, it is the same for all poor people all over the world.

Have you been to the poor areas near cities like Los Angeles, Detroit, New York, Las Vegas, etc, etc, etc?

Have you seen how homeless people live in the subways and tunnels in some areas of the United States and other large metropolitan areas of Europe and the world?

Have you been to the Concentration Camps were the Natives of America live inside the United States and Canada?

Have you seen how many of the homeless people in America live in makeshift tents around the large urban areas, how many of them have you seen die from cold, hunger and sickness, both physical and mental?

Did you see the opulent Palaces where Saddam Hussein lived, why’s marble floors and solid gold toilet, sink and bathtub, that by the way where financed by Americans?

Have you seen with your own eyes the crazy opulence in Dubai, with man made forest and water villas?

Some people here in the U.S. and all over the world are oppressing the poor to live decadent lives of luxury and opulence

“it is the sufferings of the many which pay for the luxuries of a few”

—>“Being middle class in Mexico let's you afford a home in a nice area you can afford things like a a maid or renting a driver. “

And somebody who is middle class can afford the maid or driving time for money services because…



…wait for it…



the wages of the working class is low enough to afford their services. 🤭 Which happens in the US too but that is considered exploitation LOL

People from Mexico City will always say how wonderful it is there, and the rest of Mexico is awful. But, from what I know, safety is more about what part of a city you're in than which city you're in. Like the US basically.

It just depends on individual preferences and circumstances where you'd be happier for X amount of money. Like, an apartment in Mexico of certain size will cost less than half what it does in US generally. But it won't have central heat or air conditioning. You'll only be able to heat or cool by rooms, and people in Mexico are careful about how much electricity they use, it's expensive, at least relative to their incomes. But it's common to bribe someone from the power company, to put in some kind of bypass (truco) of your meter, so you don't pay for all the power you use. (But it's harder to bribe if you're a foreigner.) Even in the central highlands it rarely goes below 40F, so, me personally, I was always fine with the windows closed and bundling up a bit, as far as lack of heat goes. Only very very broke people in Mexico drink anything that doesn't come out of a bottle or can (or irradiated milk out of a box). You don't want to look too closely at the water that comes out of the faucet, you won't even want to shower with it if you do. Water doesn't flow consistently from the public water system, your house or building will have a tank on the roof, which will probably go empty from time to time. If anything breaks, your landlord won't fix it, you have to. Which will be especially hard if you don't speak Spanish and/or don't know people who can recommend repair people to you. If you try to fix stuff yourself, Mexicans will think that's really really weird. The tires on a relative's car look really low, so I whipped out my pressure gauge, they were at 17 PSI. I whipped out my hand pump and took care of that with a lot of pumping. She asked me what tf I did to her car, she was feeling every bump. Which is especially bad in Mexico. Because, as Mexicans say, in other countries the roads have holes, but in Mexico the holes have roads.

If you buy stuff made in China, you should not feel confident the people who made it have better working conditions than a TJ BG or even a parada.

@nice 48 hours a week my ass. My relatives say that, among other things, what sucks about the US is that we have to work like dogs. The joke in Mexico is that one of their biggest holidays is "Saint Monday". They don't show up for work on Monday, cause they're still too hung over. The Mexicans who come to the US illegally mostly come from villages in the mountains or shantytowns. They can't find any kind of steady work in Mexico. Often their first language is an indigenous language, their Spanish is not that great. Tell your friend my relatives think Mexico City is la gran caca and she's a pinchi chilanga.

Lol is that type of aversion between Mexico City and wherever else a mutual thing, or a weird local one sided grudge thing?

There's a joke people in Mexico tell to explain why life is better there. A guy dies, and goes to hell. Turns out there's actually three hells, American Hell, German Hell and Mexican Hell. There's no line to get into American or German Hell, but there's a huge line to get into Mexican Hell. He goes and asks the doormen at American Hell what it's like. They say first we put you in the fire, then in the hot lava, and just keep switching you back and forth forever. Then he asks at German Hell, and it's the same, switch off between fire and lava forever. Then he asks at Mexican Hell and they insist their Hell is just as good, fire and lava too. So he asks why there's a big line. And they say, well, the lava machine's been broken for a while, were not sure how to get it fixed, and we ran out of gas for the fire, we're waiting on the gas truck to show up.

Point being, they don't deny our bosses and our government is more effective, but that just means they're better at making us serve them.

@nice it's kinda the same as if you ask people in the US what they think of New York City or LA. Some people in New York and LA feel like it would be a big step down to live somewhere else, but many people in New York and LA feel like they're stuck there. Many people move to both those places, seeing them as having the best opportunities and lifestyles, and many people flee them. For Mexico, Mexico City is like New York, LA and Washington DC all wadded up in one big ball. For Mexicans its magnetic or terrifying or both. I had three relatives in Mexico City who lived there till their mom died, then they got the hell outta Dodge, moved to Queretaro.

Why the fuck is OP obsessing over TJ hookers' money?

Usually when men obsess over the money hookers, strippers, camgirls etc make it is for nefarious reasons to try and fuck over these girls and/or take advantage of them.

They're pretending that being sex tourists is a good deed. The next thread will be discussing how tj hookers spend their money. Basically it's all an extension of how suck fucks think it's their money and they own the girls

^ Why are you here ?

Tbot you better tape phone books around your stomach a stabbing is coming your way.

LOL

I was actually interested in the comments here about lifestyle. Seems like a lot of the old countries you gotta deal with some real inconveniences and/or bs but then shit that is premium out here is dirt cheap in the old country. Tradeoffs everywhere.

Do they have Taco Tuesday in Tijuana?

You can have a really nice life in Mexico with all the amenities you have in the US and you don't have to be rich for it. Just love in a middle class area in a major city.

I think it's sick to pretend that you're doing good by being a sex tourist or pretending that hookers are anything but. Its looked more down upon in Mexico than here.

Why don't you just admit you fuck women desperate.enough to fuck you for cash. All the fantasies around it are weird af

I don't think I'd ever want to live in Mexico, but it's interesting enough to read about. I've thought about doing webcam and living in another country for a while before LOL

If blahblah will cam from my apartment on Tuesdays I will make her all the tacos she wants.

@Icee, seems like your period has lasted well over a week. See your gynecologist immediately.

Blahblahblab23, I think in some cases PLs obsess over what strippers/camgirls/escorts make because they realize these women are making more than most of the men throwing their money at them.

Some are jealous, some are surprised and glad for the girls making that amount, after all they have a limited timeframe where they can make that money, where so many other “career paths” have more earning potential in the long run.

MEXICO.

Funny Mexico City was mentioned, right before the pandemic started I was in Vegas with a friend and we hung out with a group of insanely beautiful girls from Mexico City. They were all very nice, very beautiful and appeared to be very wealthy, at least by Mexico standards.

Another example, I had a friend whose son met a girl on the internet who lived in rural Mexico. He went to meet her (along with his dad, my friend) and when they went there they brought this girls mom a toaster as a gift. My friend said you would have thought he bought her a new car from the reaction of bringing a toaster, which was a very big deal. My friend said “WTF, the dad works at Sears, he couldn’t figure out a way to get a toaster?” This was decades ago and the kid proposed to the girl eventually and she turned him down! So much for coming to live in America…

Americans don’t realize how good they have it sometimes. My dad had a friend who had family in Poland. In the 80s they asked if he could send them some money so they could buy a VCR. He sent them $200. They bought a new car with it.

I know girls who travel around the US with onlyfans money.

The problem with camming from other countries is the earnings aren't always the same as from the US. Like foreign youtubers earn a lot less.some streaming services are like that too.

I have a relative in Mexico who's husband turned out to be total bum, who I help out a bit. Her monthly budget is the equivalent of about US$ 1,800 - 2,000. They live fairly well, because she is frugal. She prioritized sending the kids to a moderately priced private school. It's very very hard to get ahead in Mexico (with honest work) if you went to the public schools. The more isolated villages often don't have any school. The Catholic Church tries to open schools in those villages, but their resources are very limited.

“… Idk, if somebody is “higher class” (or at least gives the appearance of that) I think they would be in Mexico City. I just say that because I met a dancer originally from Mexico before who danced over there …”

Mexico is a country of 130-million and has a good amount of natural-resources (oil; etc) and does a lot of business with the largest economy in the world (U.S.); so there are gonna be people w/ $$$ there and they are likely concentrated in the capital of Mexico City – I would assume Mexico City is like many Latin American countries where there isn’t a very-big middle-class and it’s a small upper-class and then mostly working-class and poor – I would imagine there are some high-end clubs in Mexico City that cater to the upper-class and the wealthy but I would assume the avg Mexican dancer can’t rely on just upper-middle-class and wealthy custies anymore than the avg U.S. dancer can do the same.

The difference b/w Mexico City and Tijuana in that in Mexico City the dancers gotta rely on the small % of well-off Mexicans whereas in Tijuana the dancers basically have access to the U.S. market and U.S. dollars – I would assume there are way more guys coming into Tijuana that can afford to spend a few hundred dollars than there are Mexicans in Mexico City able, and willing, to do the same.


“… Assuming an arriba is $100 and after expenses they keep $50 …”

IDK what the house-fees are for a place like HK – but the arriba transaction is done b/w the custy and the dancer and the custy pays the dancer directly (the club is not involved), thus I assume that outside the associated house-fees, she keeps all the $$$ she gets from the PL – also the PL is the one that pays for the room - thus I assume her costs are fixed and anything beyond her house-fees she keeps - this is what I assume, it could work differently and the dancer may actually have to pay a part of each arriba; not sure.

After you have met a girl, you can see her regularly outside of the zona.

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I would assume the HK girls do very-well by Mexican standards and a decent-enough HK girl’s earnings probably put her in the upper-class of earners in MX – I would not be surprised if many HK girls end up buying houses (more than one) in cash by working a couple of years at HK; and/or can afford to only work 2 or 3 months and live comfortably off of that for the rest of the year – obviously there are some parts of MX that are expensive but one would assume the expensive parts are the exception and that most of the HK girls can live very comfortably in most of MX – HK girls seem to make what an avg U.S. stripper makes, perhaps more than many U.S. strippers – so they make good U.S. wages but have Mexican COL.

To put it in perspective – a teacher in Mexico City earns on avg $300 per week, and they are paid well by Mexican standards - a cop less than $100 per week – one would assume those salaries are lower in other parts of MX – a HK girl can likely make that in half-a-good-shift - and it's a lot easier for an HK girl to make more $$$ by working more shifts or landing more custies whereas a regular Mexican worker's salary is pretty-much fixed.

Papi said—>“I would assume Mexico City is like many Latin American countries where there isn’t a very-big middle-class and it’s a small upper-class and then mostly working-class and poor”

Idk, this was based off the word of a dancer originally from Mexico. I’m sure she has a higher than average background because her English was VERY good (and her accent very subtle), and she was very pretty and has enough game to do well in the United States in big city upscale clubs. And I don’t think anything like Tijuana would have been her style at all. I say that because customer put his hand too close to her front side when putting tip money in her thong and she chewed him out pretty good

This thread seems to feature a lot of guys making assumptions about women they don't actually know in jobs they don't fully understand in a country/economy that they only occasionally visit.

During the Mexican Revolution, the Agradistas would go from plantation to plantation. They would kill the males in the (criollo) land owning family. When they got tired of raping the females, they would sell them to brothels. When you see a sex worker in Mexico with a lighter complexion, she's often a descendant of one of those women. Brutal as that was, the big landowners in Latin America strangle the economy. Mexico has a bigger middle class than other Latin American countries because the stranglehold of the big landowners was broken.

Mexico doesn't have a caste system. Lighter hoes aren't descendants of gachupinas and 😭😭

Mexico does though still have a racial hierarchy.

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This is turning out to be interesting. I like the interesting snippets like the wages of a teacher in Mexico. I didn't realize they earned so much more than a cop. Clearly the girls making a killing. Granted their shelf-life is 1 or 2 years...if that. Can't imagine anyone working in those clubs much longer. It's possible they go back home and still work in the business. But will make much lower money. It's true that some have great lifestyles...I followed a couple of girls on Instagram and they showed off their nice holidays in Cancun and other places. One girl I met also talked about a holiday she took in Vancouver. So some of them really try and make the most of the money they are earning. IMagine getting new iPhones and braces. Even in the US...those things are not exactly cheap.

It's either a very good or very bad sign if they leave within 2 years. Either they make enough money quickly to buy some properties and rent them, or start a business, like maybe an internet cafe with loaner desktops (not sure that's still a thing now with dropping smart phone prices). Or, the working conditions are intolerable.

I have relatives who live a pretty sweet life owning some rental properties. You find a good property manager, and just get your money each month. It's very risky to try to manage a rental property by yourself, even though the managers take a healthy cut. They have a lot of informal relationships with various people in the government, without which you can get into deep shit. But, even with a good property manager, there's a risk of getting a deadbeat tenant, and eviction is as hard af in Mexico.

The people in Mexico who suffer the most from racism are the people who's mother tongue is an indigenous language, not Spanish. The mestizos will say they are very proud of pre-Spanish Mexico. They say that the Spanish conquered Mexico, unlike how we say the English founded the US. But I never knew one who seriously tried to learn to speak Nahuatl or Lacandon or any indigenous language, they may learn a few words. (There are a few Nahuatl-derived words that Mexicans use in preference to Spanish ones.) Mestizos tend to look down on people with little or no European ancestry. Criollos tend to be wealthier on average, because their families often managed to hold onto at least some gold or property during the Revolution. And mestizos with money will try to marry a criollo if they can. In general, people think it's a step up if they can marry someone with a lighter complexion. You can be one eight indigenous and still pass as criollo. Because criollos are mostly Spanish, and Spanish people have Moorish ancestry so they often have black hair and skin that's more olive than pale.

You're putting hookers on a pedestal. Trips can be cheap. And it's not like they go alone plus they latch on to guys when there.

Most in Mexico don't think about history much. But will be proud of any European roots.

The wealthiest group overall in Mexico are the turbos and jews.

@Papi_Chulo

There is no real club scene in CDMX... there are a couple of clubs that are indeed high end but they're definitely not brothels like the clubs in TJ. There's also a small number of hostess bars that are like the ones in Japan. For a long time, the D.F. has been considered neutral ground for the cartels and other criminal enterprises so there's no red light district per se in the city.

Elsewhere in Mexico is largely the same. In the big tourist towns there are some clubs in each, but they're overpriced compared to TJ and aimed at tourists coming in for a quick fix from their cruise. There are smaller places that cater to locals, but they're like the smaller Zona bars, not the bigger ones. It's kinda like gambling in the US -- you can find it all over the place, but there's only one Vegas.

The girls in TJ do make a lot of money, but you have to remember that these are young people in their 20s and most of them don't treat the money responsibly. So they have a good lifestyle for a few years and that's about it. Just like young people just about anywhere else in the world.

@whatever icey is calling him/herself today:

Mexicans are a *lot* prouder of their history and roots than you think. Suggest you go there and talk to people there before offering an opinion.

Haven't been to Mexico City in many years, but, as I remember, sex work is legal in the Zona Rosa.

I think it's safe to say that the sex industry in TJ is different because it seeks to appeal to sex tourists from the US.

Sugaring is more common in Mexico than the US, but it's considered vulgar to speak of it, except when men are drinking together without any women. "Querida" is the nicer equivalent of "sugar baby", "movida" is the ruder one. It's a more common sort of "side action" than seeing a sex worker. It seems to happen a lot that men go so far as to have "side families", although they don't support the children of their queridas as well as the children of their legal wives. Unmarried men will find it harder to get the better jobs and/or business relationships. It's winked at if they are not faithful, as long as men are not seen as neglecting their "legitimate" families for their queridas.

…huh, super interesting stuff from ibai all over this thread

I agree ...@ilbbsicnl has some good info. But I am not seeing many real life stories. But it's all good.

In Mexico, "motel" means sex motel. There are lots of them. Motels often stand out for being ornate and well maintained, because they're profitable. A lot of the business is from men seeing their queridas. tbot, I can't name names for obvious reasons. Do a little research and let us know if you find anything that contradicts what I'm saying. I have relatives in Mexico. My visits there in the past have ranged from weeks to months long.

Back in the 70's My buddy and I stayed in a "Motel" in Hermosillo for $2 a night. For that you got a room with no key, no hot water, no TV. You did get 2 cots with horse blankets. You bolted the door from inside. It wasn't much better than sleeping in the overhead camper we were driving.

@shadow did the sign say motel or hotel?

I don't recall. Whatever it was, it was probably in Spanish. I do remember that it was single story and small. Maybe 15-20 rooms. There was an excellent steak house next door. We got ribeye steaks grilled over mesquite that were so big that they hung over the side of the plate.

Motel and hotel are commonly used words in Mexico, but motel implies sex hotel. As people, say mo tels are for mo vidadas. A place that's similar to a major chain US hotel, or trying to pretend it is, will be called a hotel. An old-style place, or a cheaper place that admits what it is, would be a posada/albergue (inn/hostel) or casa de huespedes (guest house).

I won't explain what uauacoa is, I don't want to ruin the memories of your ribeye.