What's your guys stance on ketchup on hotdogs? Unnatural perverse act? Next best thing to sex with the new stripper?
I'll be honest, I'm for it. I don't care if the hotdog gives verbal consent. That thing getting ketchuped.
If a dancer filed charges he'd be arrested. Ldks are a step away from rape. Unwanted sexual touching js assault. It's no different from perverts rubbing up on women in busses or crowded places so they can cum.
Rats laugh when tickled.
phaticee's mom never tickled him because she was repulsed by him and never forgave herself for not aborting him, which explains his outlook on everything.
If a dancer comes up to my table at a club and sits on my lap without my permission can I file sexual assault against her?
And I agree with Subraman. Disappoint disappoint disappoint.
Well, I guess I'm going to disappoint most of you...
My base position is that if you tell the dancer you want to cum in your pants ahead of time and she's okay with it, then there's nothing to worry about. If she wants to charge more for that, buck up and pay. If you want discounts, then shop at Walmart.
That said, guys have posted here about wanting to blow a load in their pants without informing the dancer in the context of:
-- Saving money via a "stealth" extra.
-- Getting pissy when a dancer realizes the unspoken goal and gives less contact.
-- Thinking it's knee-slapping hilarious when a dancer realizes what has happened and is revolted by it.
Personal opinion... when you go into VIP, there are two people who must be 100% on board with everything that's going to happen. If that's not true, then someone in that tiny room is an asshole. If we're talking about an LDK, then it's the customer who is an asshole. And you've also registered solidly on the creepy meter as well.
Sexual assault...? If the dancer calls the cops, then the customer will definitely take a trip to the station. And a story so weirdly salacious could wind up in the local news if the PL is incredibly unlucky. But will it result in a conviction? Almost certainly not. Because the PL can ultimately claim that it was accidental and blame the dancer. The only way that changes is if more dancers come forward to say that the PL in question has had the same "accident" with all of them.
At that point, the legal calculus changes. Because it is only on this website that we treat blowing a load in your pants as if it's a mundane thing. Outside of here, I believe that most people (and judges) would qualify an intentional LDK without consent as some form of sexual assault.
But even with all of that, I think the chances of a dancer calling cops because of an LDK are effectively zero, or close to it. So, guys who do this without consent probably don't have to worry about winding up on a sex offender list...
... but you're still an asshole.
Are you saying that if a dancer reaches up the leg of my shorts and strokes little Richard, either over or under the BVD’s, and LR blows his top, then somehow I’m the asshole?
I’m just as surprised as she is when he decides to pop at a time like that so I think maybe he’s the asshole.
First of all, it would be battery, not assault. Battery is unwanted physical contact, while assault is the threat of unwanted physical contact. Presumably, both parties consented to the lap dance, so there was no threat of unwanted physical contact. Jizzing on the dancer is not a normal part of a lap dance, at least not in my experience. So if you did not agree in advance, LDK, and get jizz on the dancer, yes, that could be a battery. However, if you keep everything inside your pants, and there is no additional physical contact than what was agreed to in advance, then that’s not a battery. It is irrelevant whether you get sexual gratification or not.
If that starts happening then it takes only a moment to say, "Hey, things could get messy here." If the dancer doesn't care, then you're off to the races.
"I’m just as surprised as she is when he decides to pop at a time like that so I think maybe he’s the asshole."
I don't know, man. Perhaps I've got some exotic physiology, but I know at least a little bit ahead of time when I'm about to let one go. It's not like blowing a brake line...
But the point remains that it takes zero effort to make sure that you and the dancer are on the same page.
And when you engage in sexual contact with someone, then it's pretty important to be on the same page. Especially if that sexual contact isn't entirely legal to begin with...
Yeah, I know that. But even a broken clock is right twice a day. Though his purpose is undoubtedly picking a fight and making drama, the topic is worthwhile despite the originator.
And this is a topic where I've expressed this opinion before and I've caught some perv shade for being a "goody two-shoes". Yet, when it comes to seeking and getting consent for any sort of sexual contact, I'm perfectly happy to wear that mantle.
Because while this really shouldn't be a debate, it apparently remains a debate.
It remains a debate because it’s none of anybody’s business if they LDK or not. However if the experience is shared what happens with no harm involved because clearly there is clothing between the alledged “assault”, then the only harm done is messy sticky pants for the perpetrator, alledged perp! I’m sure the perpetrators don’t grab and start grinding the subject without consent and remuneration. The “victim” is doing the stimulation and encourages said LDK, and if surprises by LDK how would she know if it’s been contained? Assault would be heavy petting and grinding and then in the backroom guy moves aside the thong and forces penis inside without consent and finishing inside or on the victim, again without consent.
Meat brings up another good point what the debate should be is what business is it of anyone else, there's plenty of ways for the dancer to defend herself if it's unwanted but who fucking cares about this shit, not Icee he should be gone several times over. I say fuck him and his stupid troll posts.
It's a debate because some guys think it's okay to LDK without consent, and it's humorous if the dancer feels the wet spot and is repulsed.
Setting aside whether it's assault, or battery, or something else, it's a shitty thing to do (in my opinion).
^ It may be shitty it may not, let the dancer decide how she wants to handle it, most women won't grind on your dick for a buck, chances are the dancers are aware and don't give a fuck any more than most, it's still none of your business.
Still why get spun up over shit a known troll posts.
P,S, It's pretty shitty to get in other peoples business, especially over anything a know troll posts.
I'm not spun up. But I am presenting a point of view. If others get spun up over that point of view, then that's on them.
Of course the dancer can decide how to handle it when it happens. I never argued otherwise. But the customer can also decide to behave like a better customer.
Once again it looks like phatboyicee achieved his mission of getting lots of posts in another of his troll topics. Same thing the sanjose creep continuously attempts to do but usually fails at.
I am in agreement with Dr. Evil, unless the assailant goes commando! On another note, might the presence of stripper dna on the assailants shorts suggest consent?
I've never gone to a strip club commando, strictly with the concept of not sharing my DNA on that rare occasion (LDK).
Intent makes it sexual assault. Sexual assault is generally getting off without the other person's knowledge consent etc.
The fact that sex crimes are not usually reported or reported right away doesn't make them right.
Would these men rub up on women so they could cum in other venues or circumstances? Why not?
Paying for an ldk can be taken as not consensual since you can't have consent for an illegal act. But its with her knowledge and more ethical than just doing it.
Way to go Icey as you prove once again that dog shit is smarter than you. By the way asshole if the other person doesn't know it, its not sexual assault. In addition stupid, when you say assault, you mean battery fucktard. An assault is placing a person in imminent fear of a battery. Why don't you just go fuck yourself asshole.
If you are the type of guy that pops your cork if a girl just touches you, then I guess this could be a problem. But for me to LDK, the girl has to work for it. It's gotta be at least 6-8 songs, stick shifting , making out, titty sucking, etc. Heck, by this time the girl would be offended if I didn't nut on her. Most girls actually get a little turned on by it. I'm not going to cum if a dancer just accidentally brushes up on me.
Skibum. By your definition sexual assault doesn't exist if someone is drugged passed out etc.
Sexual battery would only be the case if vaginal oral or anal penetration were involved.
Given how the legal definitions of these terms can vary state to state, I'm not going to wade too far into these waters. But I'll say that I'd strongly prefer to not stand in a court room and find out first hand how my state defines these terms, whether it's LDK or anything else.
Consent is a valid legal consideration when the act itself is illegal. With consent, solicitation is on the table but any type of assault will be harder to prove. Without consent, anything is possible depending on other evidence.
But again, I don't want to be the litmus test for any of these legal questions in my area. So, whether it's LDK or anything else, I do my best to make sure that myself and the dancer are on the same page.
LMAO then I might have to press charges on all those strippers that left pussy cream on my pants because they came on me when all I wanted was some dances. I guess they "assaulted" me based on icee "logic".
Hey icee you might want to get a better education.
The dancer is the one running up in the guy. The guy is just receiving the services of the Dancer during an LDK. How is that assault, or in this case battery? Icee the nigga is spinning words into the guys are doing all the running up in the girl. That’s false pretense! More credibility lost with NiggaIce!
Sigh, I was hoping you dingbats would treat the obvious troll thread like what it is, but nooooo, people gotta take it seriously.
Okay, I'm not a lawyer so don't know anything (precisely as much as all of the rest of you know, except for the one or two actual lawyers). But, it seems to me, if a stripper gives me a handjob, I don't actually ask for her consent to splooge, the HJ gets me excited and eventually I just splooge away. Legally I don't think I need active verbal consent to splooge: she is directly stimulating me in a way that's purposely meant to sexually excite me, and any reasonable person knows what the result might be. She's verbally consented to give me the handjob; everything else is a possible progression (I might get hard, I might splooge).
Directly wiggling her naked ass around my dick is directly stimulating me in a way that's purposely meant to sexually excite me, and any reasonable person knows what the result might be. I am incredibly skeptical that any DA would bring a "yes I consented to wiggle my g-string covered ass around his frank and beans in a way purposely mean to be sexually stimulating, which I could tell was hard through his pants, and by my own consent and actions I kept doing it and doing it and doing it even as he was giving other signals of increasing arousal" case to the courts, and I don't think any jury would convict.
I'll say that I don't (and don't think I could even if I wanted to) LDK so this is all academic for me. I think the PL should wear a condom or whatever other barrier so his splooge will not touch her. I think it would be better to discuss this in advance, but not criminal if he doesn't
Again Icee you are a fucking moron. Sexual battery can be an ass or boob grab, a kiss, rubbing a neck and on and on. If someone is out they cannot be assaulted, they can be battered. Try reading something other than dumbfuck left wing media.
People can make such claims, but unless a jury can be convinced of it, there can be no conviction. And if it does not sound credible, the DA will not file charges.
It is though all subjective and it has changed over the decades.
SJG
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LMAO icee has no better response than "you're wrong"... Classic example of being argumentative but doesn't have the skill to articulate the logic of why.
Hey icee you might want to get a better education. 🤭🤡
If you're grinding your ass into someone's crotch, unless he has perfect control over his orgasm, it's a possibility. If he pulled it out and willingly came all over her, yeah, it's sexual assault. Otherwise it could just be an accident.
I would not touch a woman in a strip club unless she saw what I was intending and she indicated that it was okay. Like this in TJ too. And in civvie night clubs.
In swingers clubs they have rules like this.
No rubbing up against women in public places is not okay.
SJG
@Icee you said a girl can't consent to an illegal act. So are you saying that every trick that paid a hooker for sex should be charged for sexual assault?
^^^The difference between men rubbing up on strangers in a bus and customers paying to grind against girls in a strip club is so big that it's not a surprise that stupid ass Icee compared the two. In one, there IS consent. The dancers know full well they're gonna grind on a dick and have their tits felt and get paid for it. In the other it's a stranger touching someone he doesn't know inappriately without her consent.
Funny part is, you can go to a regular dance club on a Friday or Saturday night and do that same stuff that a pervert does illegally on a bus and possibly come away with her phone number lol. If you're a decent looking guy with some game, that is.
TFP if you tell a dancer you want to cum in your pants and she agrees its consensual.
Technically a prostitute can't give consent though. Coz prostitution is illegal.
Hey icee I highly advise that you educate yourself a little and learn the meaning of a strawman argument. Let me help you:
"A straw man is a form of argument and an informal fallacy of having the impression of refuting an argument, whereas the real subject of the argument was not addressed or refuted, but instead replaced with a false one."
And now, can you find the straw man in your own post:
"I guess you think it's okay for guys to run up on women in public til they cum..."
I really don’t think it’s assault because the dancer did intend to stimulate you. The completion is a byproduct of that. Of course it would be courteous to tell her but ultimately you’re not doing anything to her without consent. Heck I don’t cum from dances but pre-cum is pretty common.
Idiots like Icee cum stain will be paying your social security if you didn't save lol. With young people in charge, retirees would be better off saving up fertilizer, fuel oil, nails etc., rather than money.
I was As-Salt-ed by a Deadly Pepper in 1988. Nobody got harmed - except for Spinderella - who never got her props…
I never jizzed in my pants - after middle school - from friction.
If there is exchange of bodily fluids - and it’s unwanted and the dancer decides to press charges - it could get messier than LDK’s liquid lap dance pants! Lol!
^^^ it's actually more simple than that, dumbass. If there's no jizz to be seen or felt, then what happens inside one's pants is nobody else's business.
^^^He’s inciting control over women by pimpin and getting g them addicted to drugs, all legal according to his value system. That’s his winning team! Lol
ICEY, you saw above that I posted:
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I would not touch a woman in a strip club unless she saw what I was intending and she indicated that it was okay. Like this in TJ too. And in civvie night clubs.
In swingers clubs they have rules like this.
No rubbing up against women in public places is not okay.
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Maybe there is terminology confusion here. On this board LDK has come to mean Lap Dance King, which means dry humping till cum in pants.
That is by consent. And whether you think it is legal or not, it is by consent.
Just groping women or rubbing up against them is unlawful unless their is consent.
SJG
Question: Is the dancer willingly initiating contact in the lapdance?
If no, and the customer initiates contact against her will, then that's obviously a problem.
If yes, then there cannot be assault or battery by the recipient of the contact.
First if all SJG, the strip club is not a public place, and guys aren’t the one rubbing up in the women. It’s the girls volunteering to rub on the guys, so it is up to the guy to stop the consent given by the dancer. If anyone has a battery claim it would be the guy getting the LDK dance.
A strip club is a retail business, so that counts as a public place for the public sex and lewdness prohibition. But these things are subjective and have changed over time.
The requirement for consent applies in any and all situations.
What typically goes on in strip club dance booths is totally consensual.
SJG
A judge can make a ruling that contradicts common interpretations of a law etc. It's not clear cut.
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Denver jury awards $3.9M to former stripper who sued wealthy rancher
Noelle Phillips
PUBLISHED: October 27, 2015 at 7:04 a.m. | UPDATED: April 21, 2016 at 2:35 a.m.
Categories:Crime and Public Safety, News
A Denver jury has awarded a former stripper $3.9 million in a sexual assault lawsuit against a wealthy Colorado rancher.
^^^ LMAO that article is a far cry from being about an LDK as "sexual assault"
Again, icee, it behooves you to understand what a straw man argument means. Based on your repetition of it, clearly you are ignorant of the meaning. 🤭🤡
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