I can see guys wanting to get info on specific girls but for w/e reason some don't see an issue w/ blasting a dancer's name in public while getting down to the nitty-gritty details - seems some guys see TUSCL similar to an escort-site and some expect if not demand dancer-names and specific details in a public review
@Papi, people can PM whatever they want. But putting a dancer on blast brings heat on everyone.
BTW for everyone else, if you think "roses," "kisses," "Hugh Jackman," "Billy Joel" or "Piano Man," "Frank Sinatra" or "Summer Wind," is fooling anyone, you are a dumbass.
I propose that Founder create and appoint a "Review Board" made up of VIP members. That Review Board can vote on deleting Reviews, or Discussion Topics or even Suspending a Member. The Board will not have the authority to do those things. BUT can make recommendations to Founder for doing those things. All VIP Members can recommend to the Review Board. VIP members can nominate and then vote on Review Board Members.
I don't disagree with the collective wish-listing (I'd love nothing more than to get rid of the trolls on the site), but Founder has very, very good reasons for not upping the level of moderation on this site. I can sum it up in five words: legal liability, his and ours. Like the disclaimer says at the bottom of each and every page, "Everything on this site should be considered a work of fiction."
If you start policing the content, then that disclaimer goes out the window tears might ensue.
Also, moderation requires time and effort, and I don't think this site makes him enough money to let him manage it to that level of detail.
I agree that linking it to specific women is a problem. However, I think linking it to a specific club could lead to scrutiny on that particular club in certain jurisdictions. I am looking at it from the standpoint of San Diego where all the topless clubs have lost their license at one point or another from vice.
I will imply a good time in my reviews but try not to get too specific.
Dancer names is a minor problem. An even greater one is "not enough details". I'm rejecting several reviews every day for this. It is obvious that new reviewers are not reading the review guidelines. I suggest that Founder install a box that you must check stating that you have read the guidelines before submitting a review. It might stop some of the rejections.
@shadow, a few months ago I posted my "Stop writing/approving shit reviews" thread.
Connecting names to extras doesn't pollute the site but it does worse, bringing unwanted attention (stalker or LEO) on other people.
@scrub, eat a Snickers. You aren't you when you're hungry.
Whenever I post this feedback, the answer I almost always get is "Everyone knows what's going on at this club!", and then I explain why that doesn't matter (especially since you don't need to be Ocean's 11 to get VIP access and get to the reviews). With some guys, I get the sense that they're bragging. That's weird, because really all you're bragging about is being able to afford something. But still, some guys think the reviews are their personal issue of Penthouse Forum.
I also agree with Mike710 that linking extras to the clubs is also problematic even if you don't state the dancer's name. Meaning, "B**** let me do [DETAILED ACT] in VIP. It was great!" isn't great if a screenshot winds up on the local news (which I think is more likely than LE acting on it).
Though I use dancer names, I try to be oblique about what happens while still giving the reader an idea of how a dancer generally operates. It's possible that I'm not fooling anyone, and it's possible that I've failed at being oblique on occasion. But, I still think it's smart to not write an explicit 200-word porno in a review.
Also, private messaging exists.
But, yeah, ultimately these reviews shouldn't go live. Unfortunately, there are some reviewers who choose to publishing *everything*, even if it links a dancer or club to extras.
When I reject these reviews, I spackle in boilerplate copy into the adjudicator's text box that I have written up and saved:
"Don't connect dancers by name to extras or OTC in reviews, even if it's a club where "everyone knows" what's going on (which might be true of the club, but not for the individual dancers). Also, TUSCL members with access to these reviews can include club managers and other dancers, who can use that information against a dancer. It's also not impossible for local reporters to access these reviews to find incriminating quotes for their expose piece. And, yes, it's also possible for the cops to get at these reviews.
Also, what a dancer does for you might not match what she does for other guys (and that's her choice). Just be happy with what you got, but don't spell it out in granular detail in the review."
That way, even if a review goes live, it's there for the reviewer to see and (hopefully) not make the same mistake twice. In addition, when I see a review like this where no one has pointed this out, I post it as a comment to the review. It's not a perfect solution, but it helps spread the word a bit. At least that's what I hope.
I agree it’s dangerous to post a dancer name and specific extras she might provide in a review. It’s also dangerous to post those details in the public discussions.
To the assholes who think they are being secretive by using Frank Sinatra or Billy Joel - you aren’t fooling anyone - so stop that shit!
There are several useful suggestions in this discussion, and hopefully something can be implemented.
I think Shadowcat makes a good point as well. There are two sides here - as one side provides too much specific detail - and the other provides too little - in reviews. This discussion relates to those reviews that name names and acts (and prices of the acts). This can bring uncomfortable attention to clubs and dancers - and it can ruin a good thing. If you want details - then message a reviewer directly.
Boss Hogg ... Yeah, this is exactly what I mean about the "Everyone [includeing LE] knows what's going on at this club!". That's *not* a valid reason to go into explicit details about extras in clubs.
Where I am (Providence, RI) the clubs are known to be high mileage with extras available at most clubs. Hell, Rhode Island is one of the few states where prostitution was "legal by loophole" for several years and several of the clubs became de facto brothels during that time. And, LE absolutely knew about it then, and they know what's going on now.
But, generally, LE is fine with looking the other way ... until the local media decide to run an expose story about extras in clubs. And, when these stories have been broadcast here, they almost always feature posts and reviews from sites like this showing some nitwit talking in excruciating detail about the extras he received at [X] club.
And, at that point, LE can't look the other way anymore. They're obligated via the media attention to start going undercover, busting the clubs, busting the dancers, and throwing cold water on the entire scene. And, all that is made (at least partially) possible by some jackass who thinks using the terms "Billy Joel" and "Frank Sinatra" makes him a Navajo Code Talker.
Not talking in detail about extras (and not linking them to a dancer) is low-hanging, eye-level fruit. I don't who "knows" or not, it's just not smart.
I think something like "gave a good VIP experience" could convey important information, except even in the same club the reviewer could mean "she let me play with her tits" or "I got a handjob" all the way to "she let me hit all three holes bareback". What is a good experience depends on what the reviewer is expecting or what he is used to getting.
Putting in names and details is just an admission that the poster is a weak, unmanly simp...... Be a gentleman and keep what happens behind closed doors; behind closed doors. If you cite detail leave the name out; if you cite a name, leave the detail out. Be a man fer chrissakes.
It should be obvious that we don't want our favorite dancers/clubs to get in trouble with LE. But there is another selfish reason to not give out dancer names. If you find a dancer that is going the extra mile for you, why share it with the rest of the horny guys looking for extras. Keep her to yourself. Do you want to come into a club and find her too busy to get around to you?
Many years ago I knew a dancer named Gwen at the Columbia Platinum Plus who was so well known that you literally had to take a number when entering the club.
^ I don't feel possessive towards any dancer. In fact, I want her to get business however she chooses (as long as it isn't raw dog or anything that might transmit to me).
When I read a review I want to find out if a visit is worth my effort. And that means extras. Making all reviews politically correct makes them useless. I can use the yellow pages (if they still existed) to find boobies. I want to find those special places where Bowie’s are $50.
Dumbing down the reviews would result in them all reading like “bathroom in the back and I had a good time” whatever that means.
@Boss Hogg. I was just speaking about what I saw in San Diego over the last few years. Vice had a squad that went out and bought dances in local clubs to build cases. Every topless bar in SD lost their liquor license at some point. In the past 6 months, there has been only one topless club open in SD. The rest have died out, although one more may open now the covid restrictions have been lifted.
I like Diamond Dolls in Clearwater when I'm in the Tampa area. You can write more details about clubs in Tampa because local PD tends to look the other way. It's funny that at DD they wear titty tape on weekdays and on weekends some girls won't wear it because local PD doesn't work weekends I guess.
Many years ago, I was shocked when a girl at a Florida club grabbed my hands and asked me to use them appropriately on her. FL has many areas that it is well known to get extras and it's OK to write.
Skip the point about law enforcement, why would you want to make a potential problem for a gal who showed you a good time, she might have an SO, or management might be giving her a hard time, she might even get flack from the other gals working at that establishment. There are so many reasons not to out a girl starting with the most obvious, YMMV, she isn't obligated to do the same for any one and it's wrong by any measure to be a gossip.
dancers use fake names just like ur profile names on here,
heloooo!!! stop bashing each other for shits snd giggles,
stop the typing trolls bs please we all here for one real reason.. “A Good time”
623 said "Making all reviews politically correct makes them useless." Who said this is about political correctness? No one is suggesting that we reject reviews because someone failed to use gender-neutral pronouns. What this is about is:
1. Not potentially jamming up a dancer with her club management.
2. Not potentially jamming up a dancer with other dancers.
3. Not posting the sort of stuff that will be be a screen capture in a local news piece about the evils of strip clubs.
4. Not having LE see either that review (or the resulting news piece) and having a checklist of dancers that they can bust in an undercover sting.
5. Not putting a dancer in a position where a customer gets pissed because she never let him to [X] thing (for whatever reason...) but there's a review online of her doing that for someone else. Because there have been dancers who came on here justifiably ripshit after some moron got angry about being told "no" and he showed her a TUSCL review on his phone. Dancers get to choose their customers and what sort of service they provide. Full stop.
Not connecting dancers by name to extras isn't "dumbing down" a review. It's also not about politically correctness. It is, however, about not dismantling our fun because some guys on here are too dumb to read a bit between the lines, and too lazy to fire off a private message when that fails them.
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eros973 said "dancers use fake names just like ur profile names on here"
Are you actually so thick that you can't appreciate the difference between an anonymous online profile name and a dancer's stage name, which (even if it's not her birth name) allows you to walk into a brick-and-mortar building and be face-to-face with that person?
I'll also gently point out that there is a point where a guy just needs to go to the club and figure some stuff out on his own. If you want strip clubs to be like ordering a sandwich at Subway, then what you're really looking to do is hire an escort.
For the most-part most of us draw-the-line at connecting specific dancers to extras – I agree w/ those that say being too-vague in reviews kinda defeats the purpose of TUSCL which is mainly to pass on info about clubs and which are the best-clubs and which offer the best time – there isn’t a perfect balance b/w enough info and TMI – IMO the more info about a club the better – sure “in theory” giving specific club info could cause the club to get on LE’s radar; but I doubt this is an issue except in some rare cases; i.e. I doubt LE “didn’t know what was going on in clubs till they read it online and then they were shocked” – a municipality generally looks the other way w.r.t. extras-clubs or it doesn’t, irrespective of what’s online – what can cause a club to more get on LE’s radar is violence at the club; underage dancers or custies; or hardcore drug selling.
What a dancer does w/ a custy is b/w them two – others have mentioned the various reasons to not include dancers’ names in conjunction with extras; at the end of the day there is often a lot of politics in clubs amongst the dancers and staff; etc – again these girls are strippers, not escorts nor are they advertising themselves as such – I imagine most custies would not like to be outed on public reviews w.r.t. what they do at the club and dancers describing them in full-detail.
I agree w Papi and Ishmael - naming dancers with regard to what they will do is not cool. Helping identify clubs that are more likely to offer the services I seek is helpful. It still requires recon to procure said services and it requires “club smarts” to determine if you leave happy or broke.
Reviews are a starting place to help determine if a visit, when you’re only in town for one night, is worth the effort. General ideas of prices are essential since extras can be had at every club for the right $$. Knowing that someone “enjoyed themselves” doesn’t mean shit.
A couple years back some putz, this guy> https://tuscl.net/member-reviews.php?id=… posted a review of an Akron club and mentioned a chick that serviced him by name. I posted in comments that he deserved to be outed just like he did to the chick. I ended up getting a couple pussy PMs from him but he still named chicks in a couple following reviews that I saw so apparently he thinks he's a real player and too dense to understand the damage he does.
My only exceptions are I will name a ROB or maybe an entitled trouble maker.
It's clear some "men" here don't care about the lives of the girls they want juicy details about. Leaving names out of reviews is dumbing them down. The fuck.
It's not that difficult to write "I got my dick sucked by a hot blonde." And then if you want to know more, fucking pm the person instead of putting our lives and jobs at risk. The hell is wrong with some of the crybabies above. And that eros prick can just fuck off and get run over by a semi. Fucking moron.
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BTW for everyone else, if you think "roses," "kisses," "Hugh Jackman," "Billy Joel" or "Piano Man," "Frank Sinatra" or "Summer Wind," is fooling anyone, you are a dumbass.
It's just not nice.
If you start policing the content, then that disclaimer goes out the window tears might ensue.
Also, moderation requires time and effort, and I don't think this site makes him enough money to let him manage it to that level of detail.
I will imply a good time in my reviews but try not to get too specific.
Pretty funny, coming from the most totally non self aware dumb fuck on TUSCL.
Connecting names to extras doesn't pollute the site but it does worse, bringing unwanted attention (stalker or LEO) on other people.
@scrub, eat a Snickers. You aren't you when you're hungry.
I also agree with Mike710 that linking extras to the clubs is also problematic even if you don't state the dancer's name. Meaning, "B**** let me do [DETAILED ACT] in VIP. It was great!" isn't great if a screenshot winds up on the local news (which I think is more likely than LE acting on it).
Though I use dancer names, I try to be oblique about what happens while still giving the reader an idea of how a dancer generally operates. It's possible that I'm not fooling anyone, and it's possible that I've failed at being oblique on occasion. But, I still think it's smart to not write an explicit 200-word porno in a review.
Also, private messaging exists.
But, yeah, ultimately these reviews shouldn't go live. Unfortunately, there are some reviewers who choose to publishing *everything*, even if it links a dancer or club to extras.
When I reject these reviews, I spackle in boilerplate copy into the adjudicator's text box that I have written up and saved:
"Don't connect dancers by name to extras or OTC in reviews, even if it's a club where "everyone knows" what's going on (which might be true of the club, but not for the individual dancers). Also, TUSCL members with access to these reviews can include club managers and other dancers, who can use that information against a dancer. It's also not impossible for local reporters to access these reviews to find incriminating quotes for their expose piece. And, yes, it's also possible for the cops to get at these reviews.
Also, what a dancer does for you might not match what she does for other guys (and that's her choice). Just be happy with what you got, but don't spell it out in granular detail in the review."
That way, even if a review goes live, it's there for the reviewer to see and (hopefully) not make the same mistake twice. In addition, when I see a review like this where no one has pointed this out, I post it as a comment to the review. It's not a perfect solution, but it helps spread the word a bit. At least that's what I hope.
To the assholes who think they are being secretive by using Frank Sinatra or Billy Joel - you aren’t fooling anyone - so stop that shit!
There are several useful suggestions in this discussion, and hopefully something can be implemented.
I think Shadowcat makes a good point as well. There are two sides here - as one side provides too much specific detail - and the other provides too little - in reviews. This discussion relates to those reviews that name names and acts (and prices of the acts). This can bring uncomfortable attention to clubs and dancers - and it can ruin a good thing. If you want details - then message a reviewer directly.
Where I am (Providence, RI) the clubs are known to be high mileage with extras available at most clubs. Hell, Rhode Island is one of the few states where prostitution was "legal by loophole" for several years and several of the clubs became de facto brothels during that time. And, LE absolutely knew about it then, and they know what's going on now.
But, generally, LE is fine with looking the other way ... until the local media decide to run an expose story about extras in clubs. And, when these stories have been broadcast here, they almost always feature posts and reviews from sites like this showing some nitwit talking in excruciating detail about the extras he received at [X] club.
And, at that point, LE can't look the other way anymore. They're obligated via the media attention to start going undercover, busting the clubs, busting the dancers, and throwing cold water on the entire scene. And, all that is made (at least partially) possible by some jackass who thinks using the terms "Billy Joel" and "Frank Sinatra" makes him a Navajo Code Talker.
Not talking in detail about extras (and not linking them to a dancer) is low-hanging, eye-level fruit. I don't who "knows" or not, it's just not smart.
"I don't *care* who "knows" or not..."
Many years ago I knew a dancer named Gwen at the Columbia Platinum Plus who was so well known that you literally had to take a number when entering the club.
Dumbing down the reviews would result in them all reading like “bathroom in the back and I had a good time” whatever that means.
I like Diamond Dolls in Clearwater when I'm in the Tampa area. You can write more details about clubs in Tampa because local PD tends to look the other way. It's funny that at DD they wear titty tape on weekdays and on weekends some girls won't wear it because local PD doesn't work weekends I guess.
Many years ago, I was shocked when a girl at a Florida club grabbed my hands and asked me to use them appropriately on her. FL has many areas that it is well known to get extras and it's OK to write.
heloooo!!! stop bashing each other for shits snd giggles,
stop the typing trolls bs please we all here for one real reason.. “A Good time”
1. Not potentially jamming up a dancer with her club management.
2. Not potentially jamming up a dancer with other dancers.
3. Not posting the sort of stuff that will be be a screen capture in a local news piece about the evils of strip clubs.
4. Not having LE see either that review (or the resulting news piece) and having a checklist of dancers that they can bust in an undercover sting.
5. Not putting a dancer in a position where a customer gets pissed because she never let him to [X] thing (for whatever reason...) but there's a review online of her doing that for someone else. Because there have been dancers who came on here justifiably ripshit after some moron got angry about being told "no" and he showed her a TUSCL review on his phone. Dancers get to choose their customers and what sort of service they provide. Full stop.
Not connecting dancers by name to extras isn't "dumbing down" a review. It's also not about politically correctness. It is, however, about not dismantling our fun because some guys on here are too dumb to read a bit between the lines, and too lazy to fire off a private message when that fails them.
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eros973 said "dancers use fake names just like ur profile names on here"
Are you actually so thick that you can't appreciate the difference between an anonymous online profile name and a dancer's stage name, which (even if it's not her birth name) allows you to walk into a brick-and-mortar building and be face-to-face with that person?
Are you really not seeing the difference there?
So ... go hire an escort.
What a dancer does w/ a custy is b/w them two – others have mentioned the various reasons to not include dancers’ names in conjunction with extras; at the end of the day there is often a lot of politics in clubs amongst the dancers and staff; etc – again these girls are strippers, not escorts nor are they advertising themselves as such – I imagine most custies would not like to be outed on public reviews w.r.t. what they do at the club and dancers describing them in full-detail.
Reviews are a starting place to help determine if a visit, when you’re only in town for one night, is worth the effort. General ideas of prices are essential since extras can be had at every club for the right $$. Knowing that someone “enjoyed themselves” doesn’t mean shit.
My only exceptions are I will name a ROB or maybe an entitled trouble maker.
It's not that difficult to write "I got my dick sucked by a hot blonde." And then if you want to know more, fucking pm the person instead of putting our lives and jobs at risk. The hell is wrong with some of the crybabies above. And that eros prick can just fuck off and get run over by a semi. Fucking moron.
Wrong. I call out girls who lie about what you owe and don't do what they promise.