Hey guys, starting to look for a SB during these trying times and getting a little frustrated with it. I signed up for SA, but so far it seems like a bunch of BS. A lot of women and girls on there wanting to be "invested" in, and have this or that paid for just because. There's also some on there that seem like their trying to use it like a legit dating site, which strikes me as odd, but ok. I'm really looking for a cute girl and am thinking to kick $200-300 to per week, meet them on avg once a week. Pretend to be a "couple" and have a happy ending for those few hours. Am I doing this wrong? I'd be going after a stripper right now, except well, I can't lol. Fucking Corona
Yeah your gonna have to go through a lot of crap to find something good. Especially right now, I'm seeing a lot of girls on there but it's a lot of online only until quarantine is over then we can maybe meet bullshit. It's all a big numbers game, keep messaging anyone who you think is hot and see what happens. Hang in there, shit has been worth it sometimes. I'm definitely pretty picky on there out of a page of 100 I might message 2 or 3. I'm not even gonna message anything under an 8. A lot don't respond, a lot are looking for something I'm not into, a lot are looking for way way too much. So if your standards are high probably so is going to be your wash out rate. At the end of the day not much ends up being a meet up. In the past 6 months or so I've met up with 6 SB's. 1 very regularly who I really happen to like and 1 here and there with the 4 others being one offs. If your in SoCal your gonna have a ton of options.
You are not doing anything wrong, but you have to be aware of the situation.
Sugaring is sometimes a difficult time consuming and frustrating process for both SD and SB.
It is easy to feel frustrated, unable to find a good man or woman.
Much of the time, however, what seems like a big problem is often just a little lack of patience, preventing someone from seeing the good opportunities.
It is possible to increase the odds of finding a good SB simply by refusing to chase bad SB.
You have to start by having reasonable expectations and setting clear goals, and/or making acceptable adjustments to your desires.
Make a honest self-appraisal. It is important for you to know the worth of your contributions in the relationship, as well as the worth of what you desire in return.
And remember in life you typically get what you pay for.
The scales should be somewhat balanced to avoid hard feelings and relationship break-down.
Relationships that are too one-sided should be avoided.
Asking for far more than one is (really) worth by either side should be avoided.
If you are looking for P4P, about half of the women on Seeking Arrangement strictly want an exchange of cash for sexual intimacy, but you have to be polite and careful about how to bring it out of them.
Just say you are interested in a safe discreet relationship, that has some “chemistry” and make sure they are comfortable and feel safe, and they will let you know how much they want per “date” or monthly allowance and how many “dates” per month.
From there you can decide if their price is reasonable and counter with a reasonable amount if you want.
Again just make sure you are aware of the price you are comfortable with, so you don’t get buyer remorse.
Conversation should flow naturally and eventually there will be an opening to bring it up. She knows the game too and might be wondering about how to bring up money.
-me, there is no worse time to be on SA. Women have absolutely poured into the site, most of whom are just looking to get paid for online interactions; just desperate (understandably so) women from inside and outside the sex industry, trying to find some online $. Most of the actual SBs aren't interested in meeting in person. Which means that now, more than ever, you're looking for a needle in a haystack. If you wait a few weeks, I'll predict it will be amazing hunting, for the obvious reasons. But right now it's shit.
-me, in your first few messages, just mention you're looking for something mutually beneficial, and leave it at that. That's all that's needed, IME. But expect things to be frustrating the next few weeks.
"I'm really looking for a cute girl and am thinking to kick $200-300 to per week, meet them on avg once a week. "
If you're in NY or LV, looking for a 9, that's delusional. But in many areas, $300 PPM for a 7.5-8 is something you can definitely find... and will become even easier to find when the lockdowns end.
"I'd be going after a stripper right now, except well, I can't lol"
SA is more loaded with strippers than ever, so you're indirectly already going after strippers :) Although strippers, like everyone else, are avoiding meeting right now (at least most of them). Expect a lot of propositions of "let's start an online arrangement and then meet up when the lockdowns are over". I suggest not falling for that!
So you guys think $300 per meet is too cheap?
$500 for a meet then
I was thinking a guaranteed $300 every week, try to see them every week, but may have to skip sometimes. Kind of would like to establish something regular, but I could certainly up it if it's going to be more irregular.
"So you guys think $300 per meet is too cheap?
$500 for a meet then"
-me, process-wise, you're caving pretty quickly here. If we don't know your exact location, no one telling you that $300 is too cheap, or not, really has any idea. Just believing them and almost doubling your price, based on guesses on the internet, is not the way to success here!
If by "southern CA" you mean LA or SD, then pre-covid-19, $400+ PPM (I don't know why you keep saying per-week??? Are you planning on offering an allowance structure where you give her the per-week allowance whether or not you see her? If so, I'd advise you that you're taking on a lot of risk for no reason. If not, then talk in PPM terms, not per week, or you'll set the wrong expectation in SBs' minds).
We don't know what will happen post covid19. We know allowances will definitely go down, probably pretty far down, but we don't know how far. I am skeptical that LA will get down to 300 PPM, but perhaps 350 might be reachable
@subraman my best guess is the longer the clubs are closed the lower the price will get, and if folks stay away after the clubs reopen the price will get even lower probably in 175-250 per meet
25: I've been wondering if there's a practical floor here. By the time it's 175 per meet, will most hot girls just become waitresses or something else instead? It's just hard to imagine, with the typical 3-4+ hour dates, plus lots of texting in between, that's so common on SA, that $175 is still attractive. I can't imagine hitting those numbers in a more expensive area
Here where I am, more girls are starting to accept what used to be the practical low end (400), but not lower than that yet. But given that everything is sort-of frozen -- we can't actually meet so it's all theoretical -- I suspect it will dip lower
^ I expect to see sexual deflation pretty soon as those gals whose only marketable skill become more apparent I’m no longer in the market fortunately but I prolly will hit a club after it becomes safe to do so, I don’t expect to be in any strip any time soon though ima wait for the truly addicted PLs to cull themselves out and a vaccine or simple course of treatment to become available.
So you guys think $300 per meet is too cheap?
$500 for a meet then
The range for a good high end escort (GFE) in the Greater Los Angeles in my opinion is from $400 to $1000.
Of course some “famous Pornstars” charge thousands, but most people in TUSCL agree that is not worth it.
In my humble opinion and limited experience with strippers, that became P4P kinda sugar babies OTC; it was $400 to $600, per GFE type of meeting.
What happens her is that we have a over sexualized culture that at the same time is sexually repressed.
We ask the girls to be sexy and at the same time to be pure.
We should not be surprised by girls (strippers or civies) that are confused by the contradiction on the requirements of being a “god girl ” and having normal natural sexual desires that have to be repressed.
So they act as any confused person would, doing/saying one thing one time and the opposite the next time, asking for a “prince” that will rescue them.
Welcome to the roller coaster of trying to understand women in our modern times, raised in a culture that creates uninformed citizens making irrational choices.
You need to decide if it is worth to you to invest the time, money, effort, patience in order to get what you want...
Even people who are currently employed may not be in the near future. Taxes going up will combine with the domino effect of businesses failing to cause a serious recession. We are at the very beginning of serious financial pain, not the end.
I think you're right about the financial pain skibum.
In general, I wouldn't say I was doubling my price, I was more shifting from an allowance to a ppm. I also don't really know what to expect from all this, it's my first time ;)
No one who doesn't want to get ripped off, does allowance to start. PPM to start -- consider moving to allowance at a later date, if you want -- has become the standard. Just drop the 1% of SBs who refuse to deal with PPM, and keep yourself safe. Starting with allowance is like handing a stripper your $300 for the VIP room without negotiating anything.
BTW, -me, there are many strippers and escorts on SA, and you'll pretty much know how to deal with them, if that's what youre looking for. All PLs speak escort and stripper language. It's the 22 year old college girl that has to be treated differently
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Yeah, I am in SoCal...
The first sign you may be doing things wrong is to find yourself asking this question.
"I'd be going after a stripper right now, except well, I can't lol."
Can't is relative. SA may have company in the camp of doing it wrong.
"Fucking Corona"
The rain and sun are feeling left out. You can blame them, too. And Tide Pods.
You are not doing anything wrong, but you have to be aware of the situation.
Sugaring is sometimes a difficult time consuming and frustrating process for both SD and SB.
It is easy to feel frustrated, unable to find a good man or woman.
Much of the time, however, what seems like a big problem is often just a little lack of patience, preventing someone from seeing the good opportunities.
It is possible to increase the odds of finding a good SB simply by refusing to chase bad SB.
You have to start by having reasonable expectations and setting clear goals, and/or making acceptable adjustments to your desires.
Make a honest self-appraisal. It is important for you to know the worth of your contributions in the relationship, as well as the worth of what you desire in return.
And remember in life you typically get what you pay for.
The scales should be somewhat balanced to avoid hard feelings and relationship break-down.
Relationships that are too one-sided should be avoided.
Asking for far more than one is (really) worth by either side should be avoided.
If you are looking for P4P, about half of the women on Seeking Arrangement strictly want an exchange of cash for sexual intimacy, but you have to be polite and careful about how to bring it out of them.
Just say you are interested in a safe discreet relationship, that has some “chemistry” and make sure they are comfortable and feel safe, and they will let you know how much they want per “date” or monthly allowance and how many “dates” per month.
From there you can decide if their price is reasonable and counter with a reasonable amount if you want.
Again just make sure you are aware of the price you are comfortable with, so you don’t get buyer remorse.
Btw, how do you politely and carefully bring up I have carnal desires that would like satisfaction?
-me, in your first few messages, just mention you're looking for something mutually beneficial, and leave it at that. That's all that's needed, IME. But expect things to be frustrating the next few weeks.
"I'm really looking for a cute girl and am thinking to kick $200-300 to per week, meet them on avg once a week. "
If you're in NY or LV, looking for a 9, that's delusional. But in many areas, $300 PPM for a 7.5-8 is something you can definitely find... and will become even easier to find when the lockdowns end.
"I'd be going after a stripper right now, except well, I can't lol"
SA is more loaded with strippers than ever, so you're indirectly already going after strippers :) Although strippers, like everyone else, are avoiding meeting right now (at least most of them). Expect a lot of propositions of "let's start an online arrangement and then meet up when the lockdowns are over". I suggest not falling for that!
$500 for a meet then
I was thinking a guaranteed $300 every week, try to see them every week, but may have to skip sometimes. Kind of would like to establish something regular, but I could certainly up it if it's going to be more irregular.
That's just base though. Have to factor in meals, gifts, hotels and extra cash you will inevatibly give for emergencies.
It adds up quick. As said previously. It is a numbers game. Probably two out ten are good quality but they are out there.
$500 for a meet then"
-me, process-wise, you're caving pretty quickly here. If we don't know your exact location, no one telling you that $300 is too cheap, or not, really has any idea. Just believing them and almost doubling your price, based on guesses on the internet, is not the way to success here!
If by "southern CA" you mean LA or SD, then pre-covid-19, $400+ PPM (I don't know why you keep saying per-week??? Are you planning on offering an allowance structure where you give her the per-week allowance whether or not you see her? If so, I'd advise you that you're taking on a lot of risk for no reason. If not, then talk in PPM terms, not per week, or you'll set the wrong expectation in SBs' minds).
We don't know what will happen post covid19. We know allowances will definitely go down, probably pretty far down, but we don't know how far. I am skeptical that LA will get down to 300 PPM, but perhaps 350 might be reachable
Here where I am, more girls are starting to accept what used to be the practical low end (400), but not lower than that yet. But given that everything is sort-of frozen -- we can't actually meet so it's all theoretical -- I suspect it will dip lower
You wrote:
So you guys think $300 per meet is too cheap?
$500 for a meet then
The range for a good high end escort (GFE) in the Greater Los Angeles in my opinion is from $400 to $1000.
Of course some “famous Pornstars” charge thousands, but most people in TUSCL agree that is not worth it.
In my humble opinion and limited experience with strippers, that became P4P kinda sugar babies OTC; it was $400 to $600, per GFE type of meeting.
What happens her is that we have a over sexualized culture that at the same time is sexually repressed.
We ask the girls to be sexy and at the same time to be pure.
We should not be surprised by girls (strippers or civies) that are confused by the contradiction on the requirements of being a “god girl ” and having normal natural sexual desires that have to be repressed.
So they act as any confused person would, doing/saying one thing one time and the opposite the next time, asking for a “prince” that will rescue them.
Welcome to the roller coaster of trying to understand women in our modern times, raised in a culture that creates uninformed citizens making irrational choices.
You need to decide if it is worth to you to invest the time, money, effort, patience in order to get what you want...
God luck, be careful out there.
@skibum - I don't bothet with politics
@subraman - I'm based out of Upland
In general, I wouldn't say I was doubling my price, I was more shifting from an allowance to a ppm. I also don't really know what to expect from all this, it's my first time ;)
Unless she also a strippah...