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Klobuchar and Buttigieg throw their support to Biden

twentyfive
Living well and enjoying my retirement
So I’m guessing it’s happening now the field is winnowing out Warren and Sanders are still battling for the progressive title, but it’s looking more and more like Biden I think another round or two and Bloomberg also supports Biden, doesn’t look like a convention fight, looks like the Democratic Party is seriously getting ready to take on Trump.

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  • DeclineToState
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    5 years ago
    And both of those (Pete and Amy) angling to be the VP on the Biden ticket
  • twentyfive
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    5 years ago
    ^ Maybe that’s going to be a different discussion though.
  • rickdugan
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    5 years ago
    ===> "And both of those (Pete and Amy) angling to be the VP on the Biden ticket"

    Maybe, but I don't think either one of them was enough of a threat to command that kind of concession. They were both out of money and polling so low in the Super Tuesday states that they weren't going to win many delegates anyway. Now Amy might not be such a bad choice if he's looking to shore up the female vote, but for now he's likely keeping the VP offer in his back pocket in case he needs to spend it on bigger game.

    But it's far from over yet. I'm not convinced that Bloomberg is going to go away so easily. And even if he does, he could do enough harm just by sticking it out through Super Tuesday. I'm also not so easily convinced that Biden is strong enough to win head to head against Bernie.
  • twentyfive
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    5 years ago
    ^ I’m thinking you may be right about that VP offer, but I think the party is taking charge now, and pushing back against that crazy narrative giving everyone free everything and wants to get back in power and they know the Sanders-Warren agenda is a loser.
  • Icey
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    5 years ago
    Biden = Trump light

    Theyre basically supporting the status quo
  • rickdugan
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    5 years ago
    ^ Agreed 100% I don't doubt that the party poobahs put the screws to the weaker moderates to get out of the way and stop bleeding votes from the stronger moderates.

    The only question now is whether it's too little too late. Sanders has huge polling leads over Biden in both TX and CA, which represent the lion's share of the Super Tuesday delegates. Biden also isn't polling well in NY right now and even if Bloomberg drops out there's no guarantee that all of his supporters will flock to Biden over Sanders.

    Tomorrow is going to be very interesting.
  • rickdugan
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    5 years ago
    That last response was to 25's comment.
  • twentyfive
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    5 years ago
    ^ Yes It's going to be enlightening to say the least, after tomorrow, there will be a compass point to look for.
  • RandomMember
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    5 years ago
    @25: "it’s looking more and more like Biden I think another round or two and Bloomberg also supports Biden, doesn’t look like a convention fight"

    -------------------

    That's a good point. The 538 simulations are showing that it's very likely (70% now) that nobody gets to 51% of pledged delegates. But that's not the same as a "convention fight" with super-delegates since Bloomberg, Warren, could convince their delegates to support Biden, avoiding a *second* ballot altogether.

    OT, I would rank Warren, Buttigieg, Klobuchar (in that order), as being the most wonkish and most intelligent -- but all three got almost no support in South Carolina. Warren has no chance at this point and the other two are gone. So much for our meritocracy...
  • rickdugan
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    5 years ago
    ^ Warren never had a chance with the whole Pocahontas drama hanging around her neck like an albatross. She'd better be happy with ending her days as a Senator, because it's probably going to cost her any chance at the VP nod too.

    As far as no "convention fight", if he has a plurality of delegates heading into the convention, anyone who thinks that Bernie's supporters are going to lie down quietly if he doesn't get the nomination is kidding himself. This could splinter the Democratic Party for years to come. There may be riots in Milwaukee and on some college campuses.
  • twentyfive
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    5 years ago
    He doesn't have a plurality of the delegates now, with the ending of the three (Steyer, Klobuchar, &Butigieg) campaigns, I don't see that happening, especially with Warren eating at Bernie's support from the wanna be freeloaders, My hunch is best he can do going into the convention is 40-45% and I think that's unlikely,
    As far as riots in Milwaukee or some college campus's I think you underestimate the desire of many to be done with Trump, my thinking is there will be an uneasy alliance at least till this guy is gone, the splintering sound you are hearing is actually the Republican Party in 2024, where the actual conservatives are sharpening their blades getting ready to wreak havoc on the RHINO's.
  • rickdugan
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    5 years ago
    A plurality simply means more than any other candidate, not necessarily a majority. Klobuchar and Butigieg don't get to automatically re-direct their delegates to Biden, even if they drop out. All they have the power to do is to release their delegates. Same with Bloomberg if/when he eventually drops out, but in the meantime he is going to do a lot of damage to Biden tomorrow.

    But ok, good luck. If Sanders takes a delegate haul tomorrow in big states like CA and TX, good luck convincing his rabid supporters to quietly tow the line and support an establishment type like Biden. :)
  • twentyfive
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    5 years ago
    Like I said I don't think he (Sanders) has a plurality now , I somehow don't think Texas is going for a Brooklyn, Jewish Socialist, Cali maybe so at best it's a split.
  • rickdugan
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    5 years ago
    Alrighty 25. We can take this back up late tomorrow night once the results are in, but as of the latest polls he had wide margins over Biden in both states. It seems that Bernie is very popular with the Hispanics. To be continued...
  • twentyfive
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    5 years ago
    Sounds right
  • san_jose_guy
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    5 years ago
  • misterorange
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    5 years ago
    For Buttigieg to win he would've needed to pull a rabbit out of a hat, but all he could do was pull a gerbil out his ass.
  • mark94
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    5 years ago
    As far as 2024, voters will want to continue the successful policies of Trump but want someone with a much less confrontational style. Personally, I think a certain former Governor of Indiana would fit nicely.
  • twentyfive
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    5 years ago
    ^ Lol do you mean pray away the gay Mike ?
  • san_jose_guy
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    5 years ago
    There are no successful Trump policies, unless you mean trying to drive us to bankruptcy and letting the rich rip off all the money.

    Competing Populist Movements
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/…

    Bernie and the New Populism
    https://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cass…

    Super Tuesday Kicks Off as Moderate Dems Coalesce in Support of Joe Biden
    https://www.democracynow.org/2020/3/3/he…

    ‘The Nation’ Endorses Bernie Sanders and His Movement
    We are proud to endorse Sanders, a democratic socialist with a program both realistic and radical enough to meet the challenges of our time.
    https://www.thenation.com/article/politi…

    SJG
  • mark94
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    5 years ago
    The claims about Pence all trace back to a statement he made in 2000 about helping to change “ sexual behavior”. He later clarified that he meant changing promiscuous sexual behavior that contributed to the spread of HIV. He never said anything about conversion therapy or praying away the gay. Of course, he did strongly oppose same sex marriage but claims of supporting conversion therapy are not true.
  • san_jose_guy
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    5 years ago
    But Pence is still an anti-abortion wacko, and a Christian Fundamentalist wacko.

    SJG
  • Evasparkling
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    5 years ago
    Big Ole Joe mopping the floor across Board Tonight,
  • Evasparkling
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    5 years ago
    Biden won & won big tonight.
  • Evasparkling
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    5 years ago
    As far as I am concerned, Sanders was the biggest loser last night. His path to the nomination is almost non-existent right now
  • Evasparkling
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    5 years ago

    He’ll probably receive more trouncing before dropping out.

    Wait till we get to Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, Illinois, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York & Washington D.C.
  • skibum609
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    5 years ago
    Mark, without pathological traitors and liars there'd be no left.
  • twentyfive
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    5 years ago
    @Mark94
    From snopes the fact checking website about Pence

    ——->What's True
    Mike Pence once supported the use of federal funding to treat people "seeking to change their sexual behavior."
    What's False
    Pence never stated that he supported the use of electric shocks or "gay conversion" therapy.
    Fact is Pence is a fucking weirdo, won’t sit near any woman except his wife whole bunch of crazy emanating from this guy.



  • skibum609
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    5 years ago
    Compared to stupid Joe Biden, the plagiarizer, Pence is God like.
  • twentyfive
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    5 years ago
    ^ Really wow Pence god like, that’s pretty funny 😆 😁
  • Musterd21
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    5 years ago
    I would like to run for something! Or maybe from??
  • rickdugan
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    5 years ago
    Biden did better than expected, but he still got his ass handed to him in California, Utah and Colorado. CA really hurts since it's going to give Bernie a delegate lead once the mail-in ballots are counted and all the delegates are awarded. So really I would call last night a split decision.
  • Evasparkling
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    5 years ago
    @rickdugan

    Bernie got his ass handed to him.

    He was supposed to win Texas, he lost it

    He was supposed to win Massachusetts, he lost it

    He was supposed to win Minnesota, he lost it

    He was supposed to win Maine & he’s on course to lose it.
  • Evasparkling
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    5 years ago
    @Rickdugan

    The party spoke loud & clear,

    Bernie got walloped in the South Eastern States,

    He lost Virginia by almost 30 points,

    He lost North Carolina by almost 20 points,

    He lost Alabama by almost 50 points,

    He lost Tennessee by almost 20 points,
  • Evasparkling
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    5 years ago
    @Rickdugan

    Joe Biden had momentum & was competitive across the board,

    He pulled a huge upset in Texas and

    He’s only running behind in California by 10 points.
  • twentyfive
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    5 years ago
    ^ I agree with that assessment but I would caution against thinking that the California delegate lead is going to be enough through the next phases of voting I do believe many are underestimating the desire out there to be rid of the chaos that is Trump and people are making this choice, thinking that Biden can beat the sitting president and Bernie can’t.
  • twentyfive
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    5 years ago
    ^ That was for Rick
  • Evasparkling
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    5 years ago
    @Rickdugan

    If you think Bernie underperformed, wait till we get to Wait till we get to Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, Illinois, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York & Washington D.C.

    After then, he’all suffer embarrassing losses & retire to his socialist enclave in Vermont.
  • Evasparkling
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    5 years ago
    @Rickdugan

    We can all agree that the biggest loser last night was Former New York City Major Micheal Bloomberg who spent $500M in this Presidential Race only to win American Samoa.
  • twentyfive
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    5 years ago
    Now Bloomberg joined Klobachar and Buttigieg and, ended his campaign, and endorsed Joe Biden
  • ime
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    5 years ago
    I guess Bloomberg came up short.
  • san_jose_guy
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    5 years ago
    And good riddance to Bloomberg. But will he still run in November? I say wait and see.

    Bernie Sanders Wins California as Joe Biden Sweeps the South on Super Tuesday
    https://www.democracynow.org/2020/3/4/he…

    2020 Democratic Presidential Primaries, shows current delegate counts, Biden ahead
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Democ…

    The record turnout in VA, to me this suggests that there will be a heavier anti-Trump turnout in November, than in 2016, and probably nationwide.

    SJG

    CA Results, next results at 5pm
    https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/03/03/s…

    Sanders 32%
    Biden 20%
    Bloomberg 18%

    Not winner take all, but 15% min required to get delegates. Some of the other candidates got votes, but they could have been mailed in or dropped off quite a while back.

    SJG

    OZZY OSBOURNE - "Mr. Crowley" 1981 (Live Video)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3LvhdFE…

    War Pigs, Live (I think it was Louis Armstrong who started that abstracted singing on just one note)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ssDXiML…
  • Hank Moody
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    5 years ago
    25 is correct. Hard to believe but there was widespread underestimating how much dems hate Trump. Votes for Biden were less about thinking he is great. He’s not. He just polls as the best dem option to beat Trump. Hard to know if he has enough to beat Trump but it should at least be better for the house and senate elections.
  • san_jose_guy
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    5 years ago
    Trump getting into office is one of the closest brushes our nation has had with disintegration.

    Supply Side Economics is a Fraud!

    SJG
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