When OTC goes to LOL

That's even beyond Johnsmith69's DS rate.

Not going to pay that for sex ... EVER. Even for a dream partner.

That is what you call Golden Pussy Syndrome ( GPS ). Wow. I have been offered for $1500, but never $2500.

^^ And I laughed at the $1500.

Maybe that was just her way of politely saying, no thank you?

^Why not just politely say no thank you, truth is she prolly thought if she throws enough shit on the ceiling some will stay up there.

I don't think she was saying "No thank you" because she was really very responsive. She was the most responsive dancer I've ever met via text.

More details may help inform this.

In Chicago, we did dances and, like I said, made a good connection. We talked about other places where there are fewer rules and cameras. She agreed that yes, we'd be fun in a place like that. We had a lot of fun with what we could do.

This is a place where they're fairly strict about no contact info being passed between dancers & custies; she said she had to be sneaky to write her info on a free admission pass with the house mom in the back. It felt like a win to get that.

I texted her as I left and she got back to me the next night, asking questions about me, what might work and asking where I was so she could travel to me. Knowing some escorts have day and travel rates and whatnot, I did say, "Don't plan a trip just for me. I can only make it so much worth your while."

I do think the BDSM detail is key. When we were doing dances, she said at one point she didn't believe my career was in IT; that I was too smooth and well-spoken. I told her other ladies have said I have a Christian Grey quality about me. I think she interpreted that to mean BDSM; I was just referring to my general presence: Dress nice, smell nice, tip well, don't just get turned on but try and turn the dancer on, too, etc.

I can see how, for BDSM stuff, a practitioner may want to charge more, depending how rough and/or trust-dependent activities are. She did say she could go $4K for two hours and $1.5K per hour if I was "consistent." So it's not like she was trying to completely blow me off.

But yeah, all of those prices are way out of my range, and definitely not within range of what I can get, say, in Detroit for darn good service.

I mean, this lady is well put-together. She claimed to have been a personal trainer before and I believe it. With a little more intense training, I could see her even doing some of the less mass-intensive bodybuilding/fitness competitions out there. She said before our dances she works out hard to "get out her anger," which, again, BDSM. So yeah, I can see her being one of those true, high-end pros you see advertising on Eros or whatever for crazy ridiculous rates.

But I'm not in the market for that. And I'm not sure any guy who knows the club scene will be. 10x what I thought I'd be looking at. Yikes.

That does make sense... in my experience, those who subscribe to a particular type of kink (BDSM or otherwise) are typically all too happy to pay handsomely to indulge their fetishes.

Yeah, the kinkiest thing I'm into is a little dress-up. I like clubbing around Halloween. Get those cheerleader, schoolgirl and maid costumes ready, ladies.

I am very conversational during intimate activities, too. The brain is an erogenous zone, right?

Neither of those things approaches BDSM, though, and yeah, I can see how ladies would want top dollar for that.

The vast majority of consumers look for value - but there *is* a market for luxury-goods where people are willing and able to overpay - there are men out there for whom $$$ is the least of their worries and spending $2k or $3k on pussy (sometimes more) is part of their lifestyle where they routinely indulge in expensive things - of course this is more of a niche market w/ much fewer buyers

If she saw the hoopty I drive, she'd know I don't spend exclusively on luxuries.

In my experience many strippers start out with insane numbers like this in hopes that you’re desperate enough to pay it. But once you make it clear that you’re not an idiot, some will come down to at least the John smith price level, if not lower.

Yea i don't even think I would have texted back. or maybe as you said with an LOL and never again.

I'm too nice of a guy, so I texted back and basically let her know that was way out of my price range. She was understanding and said that we should see each other in the club again.

She did say she dances at extras clubs, so my thought is that she'll have to accept something more like market rate at those places. And while she's pricey, don't get me wrong, if I can get the number down, heck yeah I still would. She was, at minimum, in nine territory to me.

So yeah. Don't burn bridges. You never know. At least she was polite and responsive. You never know. Maybe she'll come down as far as I want under other circumstances.

I was in Vegas recently, and the casino girls do the same thing. Most start at 300 - 600 but drop to 200 in about 10 seconds.

Like a car dealer, except it takes days of phone work.

I know opinions vary on this, but ... if you're going to freeze up just because she quotes a high rate, then stop asking the girls their rates. Make your offer first.

I do not like to negotiate, if I dont like her offer I just pass, I feel like if I negotiate it down I will get a lesser experience.

But even if the OP's DS reduced her price by half (seemingly a great price), it is still high GPS.

To each their own but there is a plethora of pussy, no need to overpay for at best a barely better experience.

In Detroit, I will negotiate sometimes.

Both you and the dancer have some leverage.

She can take less money or she can take no money. In the latter case, the time she spent on getting me to the back ends up being wasted time.

If it's still a significant enough sum, less money is still better than none. It still needs to be somewhat worth her time, as in a realistic value in terms of evaluating what she could get if she walked out of the room with you and got another customer right away. Hotter girls will command more. But you shouldn't be afraid to use "this or nothing" to your advantage, while also understanding she also has a "pay me this much or you don't get to do what you want to do" point, too.

That said, when she stakes her tent pole in Saskatchewan, and you're sitting in Oklahoma, there's a good chance the middle ground won't make anyone happy. Best to just walk away. And that seemed to have been the case here.

I don't like haggling especially in a strip-club where I go for entertainment and relaxation - I try to offer a fair/going rate for the type club and I may be willing to go a little higher but usually will just stick to my offer - I try not to insult her by giving her a super-low offer and likewise I don't like being insulted by her giving me a super-high offer like $1000 when the going-rate might be $200 - girls that quote 2X+ the going rate I feel are not acting in good-faith thus I feel I would not enjoy my time w/ them and will pass (at times even if they come down to the going rate)

Some of it also depends on your pain point, which might even be day-to-day.

I texted a girl I met at Penthouse in Detroit to ask what her status was with that place closed. She said she was just seeing guys UTR OTC now. I told her she should message me if she was coming near where I usually am. She was.

Arranged a time and she brought up price, wanting me to start. I opened at $250. She said no way and came back with $500. I went $400 and she said sure, but I started having second thoughts. I start getting antsy above $300, but I think that would have been too low for her. Plus, due purely to the timing of when I get paid for some work, the tide is a little out at the moment for spending cash. I like to give a tip for good service, but at $400 plus a room, already stretched thin ... I just called it off. I felt bad and hope she'll give me a shot when things fall differently. But yeah. Just bad timing as my pain point is a little lower right now.