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UBI ( Universal Basic Income )

san_jose_guy
money was invented for handing to women, but buying dances is a chump's game
Friday, February 15, 2019 5:41 PM
UBI ( Universal Basic Income ) This idea has been around for a long time, known under different names. But now, in the wake of the lost 2016 Presidential Election, and maybe the demonstrated popularity of Bernie Sanders, it is being taken more seriously. UBI is not needs tested. And as I see it, you would not even need to apply for it. So a question would be, can the government actually pay out that much money? Well it might be like $10k or $20k per person, or at least for adults, and then something for children. So maybe $4 to 8 Trillion per year, an epic amount of money. Okay, but lets look more closely. What happens to the money, and where does it go? Well it gets spent, and then generally it ends up back where it started, with the people who print the money, our Federal Government. So half is paid out to people above the median income. So they might put it in that mountain of dead money which inflates the Stock and Real Estate Markets. Or it might go to Dan Quayle's Isle of Man favorite tax dodge. [view link] Okay, but we still got them though, as with pre-Reagan taxes, their tax hike will be more than their UBI. So more money will be in circulation, creating jobs and business revenue. They might deposit in a bank. But banks can't sit on the money, they have to loan it out. So usually it keeps getting redeposited into banks until it reaches 1 over the Cash Reserve Ratio. Either way, it keeps getting clipped until it makes it back to the government. Now the other half of the money goes out to those bellow the median income level. They spend it the fastest. Some of it will end up in the hands of the rich as described above. Other will keep getting clipped by, if not income tax, by sales tax. Sales tax is not very progressive at all. So to answer the question, this huge amount of money is not depleting gov't funds at all, as it just goes back to the gov't. Some economists don't like to classify stuff like this as either GDP or taxes, as it is just transfer payments. From where ever you look at it, it just keeps coming back. So really, this is just Keynesianism take a couple of steps further. Keynesianism is not Socialism, as it does not try to set up state control of industries. It is like they say, "Saving Capitalism from itself." But Keynesianism is still focused on creating full employment. That works to a point. But in later stages of Capitalism there are more problems, like environmental, and social problems if you are promoting the middle class family. So the next step beyond Keynesianism would be to go to a Welfare State. And yes this worked under LBJ. Even Nixon showed specific support with his Family Assistance Plan (FAP). But there was a huge political backlash and we got Reagan and his Welfare Queen stories. The problem with welfare is that it is needs tested, it is done in order to regulate the poor and to subject the poor to ritual humiliations so that they become a symbol which is used to maintain workforce and political discipline. So the way to move the next step is UBI, because it is not needs tested. So this amounts to a huge expansion of the economy, like what, 50%, but no longer tied to employment. So first of all we cannot follow idiots like Rick Perry and gut environmental protections and worker safety, to create jobs. Expanding the economy like this to bring more people in, we must use the best environmental science we have, and have unions and worker and consumer safety. Now, the idea is not to fatten slum lords. Rent control exists some places, but it has problems. So the other way is just to use governmental authority and plow the slum lords under. Complete them out of business. So there have to be public offerings for all basic and necessary services. So say a housing projects authority which builds high rise towers, 20 , 30, 40 floors. Start one per year in each area. Average finishing one per year. They have schools, child care, libraries, retail, community centers, everything, and on the bottom floors. And they are built on rail mass transit lines. So you really have very little use for a car. And these are not just for the poor, again, no needs test. Just click on the box that you want it, and you get it as soon as available. So right away there you have an economic and material utopia, and so easy. Then if you seek employment or try to start a business, your prospects will be so much better, as the economy is about 50% bigger, and with this commitment to providing these universal no needs tested services. Maybe it is fixed so that you need to give 50% of you UBI to get into one of these housing projects. Maybe we have a mix of gov't and private contractors building them, competing with each other, keeping each other honest. We build at a stead pace out forever. Eventually buy up the slum lord property and make it into parks, if not farmland or wilderness. Universal Single Payer Health Care of course. Most things like that, universal and no needs test. Taxes are accessed by a means test. But nothing requires any needs test. No gov't or public funds being depleted, just money recirculating into perpetuity. Good education. People who believe in themselves and do not carry any stigma for having been poor. The right that wants to blame the poor, or invoke religion to do that, fuck 'em. Far less reliance on automobiles, Good public transit. Bicycles, but also very little need for anything more than just walking. More people will be employed or running their own businesses than the way it is now. And the monetary costs of the social problems we face today are most certainly greater than what this would cost. Really just Keynesianism taken a couple of steps further so that it no longer depends on employment. SJG Satin Doll - Patti Austin [view link]

240 comments

  • Liwet
    5 years ago
    Your post is not coherent. Put your thesis into the title next time and maybe try to stay on topic.
  • skibum609
    5 years ago
    Mentally Ill? Drunk? Stupid? All three? All UBI is is communism, stalinist communism under another name. It is popular with losers and progressives, because they don't work. Why are people poor? They choose to be poor.
  • Warrior15
    5 years ago
    SJG, my suggestion to you is to move to Cuba. Communism has worked so well for them.
  • FTS
    5 years ago
    12 of those... okay, let’s call them paragraphs... began with the word “so.”
  • Uprightcitizen
    5 years ago
    Enjoy the bread lines at 5am. Human beings are not wired to produce without incentives. Handing out free shit just never seems to work out in practice. Thats why communists have to use the barrel of the gun to get people to work and follow rules.
  • Mate27
    5 years ago
    Don’t forget most of his (SJG) thesis centers around “might” and “maybe”. None of it is proven and we know the world isn’t paved by good intentions. In fact most of what is promised by good intentions come from dictators like Mousalini, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, and AOC saying their policies will help the poor, yet in the end those policies only embolden those in power even further creating a top heavy hierarchy where only a small % benefit, those in power. Sure, you could give away $2,000 monthly to the poor and everyone for that matter since there will be no means testing. The problem lies in the fact that whatever you give as a UBI becomes worthless. Since so much money is created it virtually devalues the dollar, so then any of my investments will automatically be worth much less due to inflation. Unless my investments grew as much as inflation, which it won’t because taxation authorities will have to take half of my gains just to support this socialistic program of universal income. You can’t just create money from thin air. There is no money tree! No matter what you do 1/3 rd of the population will never want to be held accountable for their own plight, so you’re throwong good money at bad management, mostly poor people. You grow the economy by efficient means, and if people are more productive they are more prosperous. UBI will make people and the economy less productive, which is the goal of liberal/social policies, to keep the masses dependent upon the few to take care of them, so only the few at the top benefit. Dumb idea to introduce rampant inflation by UBI. If UBI were to take place, what companies would you buy stock in. KFC? Walmart? Dollar Tree? Which automaker?
  • twentyfive
    5 years ago
    If strippers get UBI will they keep showing up for their shift?
  • founder
    5 years ago
    The only thing UBI will do is make that amount of money worthless. If UBI is $1000 a month, then gas will be $15 gallon, eggs $13 a dozen, etc. We already have UBI, it's called welfare/EBT. UBI will only make lazy people lazier, depressed people more depressed, and rich people richer. But go on and pretend like giving money to people is going to somehow magically make their lives worth living. It's not. They will still be at the bottom of the social-economical ladder. /End rant
  • Call.Me.Ishmael
    5 years ago
    UBI... I'm not a fan. [view link]
  • Uprightcitizen
    5 years ago
    She is buying votes with this empty headed proposal. Nothing more.
  • skibum609
    5 years ago
    Democracy is an institution that can not long survive, for as soon as the people learn that they have a voice in the fiscal policies of government, they will move to vote for themselves all the money in the treasury, and bankrupt the nation. Karl Marx. Buh bye America......
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    People get the incentive of getting paid or of getting business revenue, on top of their UBI. High taxes don't start until their income is really large. When we had 70% top income tax, no one was calling that Socialism or Communism. And before JFK lowered it from 90%, people were not calling that Socialism or Communism either. More people will get to have paid employment and more people will get to run income producing businesses, under this sort of UBI system. Really just Keynesianim extended a couple of steps further. And Meat72, finally something we agree on. If you just passed out money, it would just cause inflation, especially in the bottom end of the housing market. Okay, but this is how it works with Section 8, Minimum Wage, Disability and SSI, and a lot of other things right now. And rent control is very hard to make work. This is why I say we have to have a cost controlled public housing offering. Start building it and continue in perpetuity. Say the cost is set at half of your UBI. You just click on the box if you want it. Keep building until supply exceeds demands, and run the slum lords out of business. Then after they are bust, buy up their land, turn it back into parks, if not farm land or wilderness. If done right, at 1/2 of UBI, the public housing authority should even be able to turn profit. And no, you cannot create money for free. But this is in fact what is being done everyday, by selling T Bills, by bank lending, and also by using paper and green ink. We just want now to make this work for everyone. And more money in circulation, especially starting at the bottom, radically increases employment and business income opportunities. And really no extra money is really being created here anyway. Just going to pre-Reagan 70% top bracket taxation. The UBI money recirculates, and then generally ends up back where it started. Money given to poor people recirculates the fastest. Money given to rich people doesn't matter because it is made up for in progressive taxation. Benefits are not needs tested. But taxes are accessed on a means test. As far as buying into the stock market, no I am not going to do that. Only with founder's shares in the things I and my own people start. What has created senseless inflation has been the Republican tax cuts, giving people more money to bid up houses and to keep up with the Jonses. And Founder, no you have to have public offered price controlled things for all basic necessities. I just went into housing because that is the most complex. In his second term Nixon had price controls, a phase 1 and a phase 2. But he did not go so far as to establish public offerings for core essentials. People who are not being used as political scapegoats will live better than they do now. They can spend their time reading Plato and Aristote, and Marx and Engels, instead of going to church, recovery programs, or using psychiatric medications and street drugs. Ishmael, thanks for the article, I'll read it. The Economist is conservative, but still worth reading. But remember, the idea here is not to increase 'work incentives', that would be completely bogus, just like the Work Ethic. Everyone wants to do well. But if people want to stay home, that is fine too. The idea is to take care of those at the bottom, because that improves our entire society. And then by using this, collecting the money which inflates the stock and real estate markets, in taxes, to expand the economy. So more people will be able to be employed, and be able to be well employed instead of under employed, and will be able to run profitable businesses, as that money recirculates. It's just Keynesianism, but broken free from the idea of employment. And Skibum, Democracy does not survive when we have large wealth gaps and people being used as political scapegoats because they are poor and use needs tested programs. Once people stop listening to religion, the recovery movement, and the mental health system, then they can see that they can use their voices and the ballot box, and at least to a degree redistribute the wealth and make things work much better. This is what democracy is. For the most part Karl Marx was right, and he is still right. Three major revolutions, American, French, and Russian. And each influenced by the other, and each going further than the previous. In the Manifesto, Marx and Engels are saying that the French Revolution did not go far enough, because it put the bourgeoisie in charge. Beyond that critique they don't really say much about how to proceed. SJG Cyrille Aimée _ Nuit blanche [view link]
  • founder
    5 years ago
    Again, tell me one country where UBI/ Communism / Socialism / no free market has prospered? Just one country. ONE. It's been tried and it's failed constantly.
  • ime
    5 years ago
    UBI was a miserable failure in Finland.
  • twentyfive
    5 years ago
    This is a joke
  • Uprightcitizen
    5 years ago
    I think the G in SJG more appropriately stands for San Jose Glib
  • Mate27
    5 years ago
    San Jose Goat (fucker)^^^
  • IceyLoco
    5 years ago
    It's a better way to spend money than on wars and corporate handouts and bloated private sector contracts. It would usher in sustainable development for once. The people are the biggest investment
  • Liwet
    5 years ago
    UBI doesn't seek to create more money, it will be paid with money that already exists, likely from higher taxes on the upper income brackets (and/or more income brackets on the upper end).
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    @Founder, no one is talking about 'no free market', just some baseline minimums. Mostly UBI would get funded by money recirculating. Money that would have gone into inflating the stock and real estate markets, would go into UBI and recirculate. Then a public housing offering would just build high rise units over the decades until supply outstrips demand. That should be profitable, at 50% of your UBI to live there. But money from the 70% pre-Reagan high income tax levels would help get it started. Really, very simple. Any problems enforcing it, they just have to contact me. SJG
  • founder
    5 years ago
    If everyone gets "something," it makes that "something" worthless. Get the government out of your life as much as you can.
  • ime
    5 years ago
    for Guys like SJG government is their religion, their identity, and their mommy and daddy, they want it to not only control all aspects of their lives but also the lives of everyone else. To people like him I say Fuck You.
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    It's just the nature of advanced industrialization, all hard needs met with less and less labor, so by cultural advantages the society divides into the very rich and the very poor. So if you want there to be jobs and a middle, you divert the money that some are getting away from the stock and real estate markets, and give it out as UBI, not needs tested. And then as housing is the most critical, you run a public housing authority. Anyone can pay 1/2 of their UBI and get in. Not poor people only, not the only place to live. But it tends to keep prices at the 1/2 UBI level. Not actually creating more money, just diverting some of it away from the stock and real estate markets, where it accomplishes nothing. And there is a large public rental offering at a controlled price. And IME, our government is just those people we elect. Making democracy work is not an option. Right now, much of what the government does contributes to the wealth gap and to the creation of a multi-generational underclass. SJG Generation Q [view link] Love For Sale [view link] Just like this with Trump's wall [view link]
  • twentyfive
    5 years ago
    ^ That multi generational underclass is completely due to giant giveaways like you are promoting, If you teach a man to fish, he can get himself food when he needs to, if you give a man a fish, he just eats what you gave him. Hand outs never benefit the receiver, all the do is make the donee feel good about himself.
  • Uprightcitizen
    5 years ago
    Government welfare creates dependancies which result in feelings of entitlement and resentment. For reference please refer to France...
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Teach a man to fish? You mean how to do armed hold ups, like say on Mr. TwentyFive? Industrialization means that we need far less labor. So with the effects of being shut out of the jobs market, plus the abuses and denigrations of the middle class family, it takes a tool on people. Most of those long out of employment today are effectively not employable in this life time. And so gov't social programs have nothing to do with this. That welfare is bad for poor people is an invention of the far right. What does harm people are Evangelical Christianity, the Recovery Movement, and the Mental Health System. And people should feel entitled, as it is their country, their society, and their government. SJG Azteca, from Oakland and much loved [view link] Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers - Moanin' [view link]
  • twentyfive
    5 years ago
    ^ You're a fucking ass wipe, how is teaching someone, how to make a living an armed hold up, that is real slimeball thinking and shows your true colors, you think that I owe you something, go fuck yourself you lazy entitled son of a bitch.
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    You can put people in school for as long as you want, and teach them what ever you want. But this does not mean that there will ever be jobs available. You've done nothing to increase the number of jobs available. Only progressive taxation and spending creates more jobs, it expands the demand. Welfare as it is designed to put the poor through ritual humiliations, in order to maintain labor force discipline. It makes the poor into a scapegoat. Slavery ended for one reason, 180,000 black men trained with rifles and bayonets, and then served in federal uniform. The poor must become prepared to skillfully deal out lethal violence in large quantity. I hope this does not have to happen, that we can solve our problems via reason and the ballot box. But if not, that blood bath has to happen, and it has to be delivered skillfully so that those who served in the fight can have a lifetime of pride and so that our history is re-written. SJG
  • twentyfive
    5 years ago
    ^ So no white men fought in the civil war on the Union side, you really are either a fool, or a fascist, trying to rewrite history. You do know that over 2 million men served in the Union army during the civil war, If 180 thousand were black men that still doesn't account for 1 million 820 thousand of the soldiers.
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Without the black men serving, there would have been no 13th Amendment, and slavery would have resumed. SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Welfare is run the way it is so that the poor are kept docile and can be used as a political symbol. SJG
  • twentyfive
    5 years ago
    ^ You haven't even responded to my original statement which is if you teach someone to earn a living, you lift them out of poverty, along with their family, if you hand something to someone they have no idea how to help themselves, and you keep them dependant on handouts. UBI is a joke, just more of a welfare system, that is robbery, not the other way around.
  • Uprightcitizen
    5 years ago
    The funny thing is you would hate "The Fountainhead" because it represents the elitist mindset and you miss the whole point. But the entitled fool you are rests on the achievements of great men and women who individually brought human civilization into a point where survival in great civilizations like ours is very much a matter of choice.
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    No matter what you teach them, that does not create more jobs. So unless you are teaching them to pull armed robberies, you have not really accomplished much. Ayn Rand and all of her stuff is just comic book material. And again, the poor need to be ready with high skill, high volume lethal violence. Welfare is designed to regulate the poor and make the poor into a visual scapegoat, as well as to make them docile. SJG
  • twentyfive
    5 years ago
    You are just a jerk, what have you ever done that helped another human in a time of need, I have hired and trained hundreds of people over the course of my life, so yes if I hire a person and train them to do a job, and pay them a fair wage, how am I teaching someone to rob anyone, all of this wonderful stuff you pipe dream about, subsidized housing, lifelong education, feeding the poor, how the fuck is that going to happen if someone doesn't work, artificial intelligence sounds great but it isn't a reality, or maybe you want to go back to the olden days and live off the land, still need to hunt, farm or fish, if there are no basic tools where are you going to sleep in the trees, or a cave, I mean for real boy, grow the fuck up. i'm done debating with you you make me feel stupid, responding to such insane drivel.
  • Uprightcitizen
    5 years ago
    Haha of course you hate Ann Rand because she she avocates the exceptional human who produces far more value than they receive. You advocate mediocrity and entitlement. Ann had Russian roots and you have Stalinist ideals. Ironic to say the least. If you are slightly self aware you know how Soviet ideals worked out in practice.
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    We have used Keynesianism to keep unemployment levels down. That worked for many decades. But beyond a point you still have to deal with the over production. And we know where that leads: [view link] UBI is just like Keynesianism, but without the reliance on creating as much employment. In the 1934 Upton Sinclair campaign to be governor of California they promoted Production for Use. That would eliminate the boom and bust cycle. [view link] EPIC 1934 [view link] SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Ayn's characters are comic book people. If she was really talking about smart people, they would not be promoting lassie faire capitalism. If you have high production levels and tremendous efficiencies, that may help the people who own it, but it cannot be a plan for the entire society. We already have gross over production, and hence gross under employment. You know where capitalist over production leads: [view link] Industrial capitalism destroys traditional economies. Industrial technology though can be used to benefit the entire society. We though have not been doing this. UBI is the first way to start. SJG
  • Uprightcitizen
    5 years ago
    Child answer 25's question. You strike me as a miscreant who advocates for others but does nothing for them yourself. A tool asking for help from others because your you are a total parasite sucking on the tit of civilization.
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    You cockroach, you have no idea who I am or what I do. You are also living proof of why the poor need to organize and be ready to deal out high volume lethal violence and pile up corpses. SJG
  • Uprightcitizen
    5 years ago
    Haha you do nothing and your crazy fuck Stalinist mindset is revealed. Your true goal is human misery and extermination of those you disagree with. I suppose it's one way to pretend you "won" an argument.
  • twentyfive
    5 years ago
    ^ waste of time to even bother, he’s certifiable, one day he’s going to just disappear and you can rest assured that he will have been “Baker Acted” he belongs in an institution.
  • IceyLoco
    5 years ago
    Ayn Rand felt entitled to her social security and medicare. How many Republican politicians refuse their tax funded pay checks and insurance benefits? Its funny how those who hate socialism advocate socialism for the rich, capitalism for the poor.
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Ayn Rand, what she puts out is nothing, just a kind of anti-religion, which some believe is the true Satanism. She was just able to mystify people, draw them in to worshiping her comic book heros. Silly that someone even enters her into this kind of a discussion. The End of Work and the Case for Universal Basic Income Andy Stern, former President of the Service Employees International Union (SEIU), author of Raising the Floor: How a Universal Basic Income Can Renew Our Economy and Rebuild the American Dream, and Senior Fellow at Columbia University's Center for Business, Law, and Public Policy [view link] How Ayn Rand Became a Hero to Right Wing Nerds -- Thom Hartmann [view link] SJG Alec Baldwin: Trump's 'SNL' Attack May Be 'A Threat To My Safety' [view link] Kim Kardashian [view link] Thierry Mugler [view link] [view link] [view link] Intimidation, Pressure and Humiliation: Inside Trump’s Two-Year War on the Investigations Encircling Him -- New York Times [view link] Venus, Shocking Blue, actually live, with only what you see on stage, and not hamming for the camera, quite good, a coffee house grade performance [view link] Alvin Lee – The Bluest Blues [view link] JEFF BECK -Brush With the Blues [view link] Joe Bonamassa - I'll Play The Blues For You [view link]
  • Liwet
    5 years ago
    What happened in Finland was a sham, and is not UBI. [view link] >"If everyone gets "something," it makes that "something" worthless." Only when that something comes from nothing. UBI is paid from taxes on the ultra rich.
  • Mate27
    5 years ago
    ^^^ So the rich will be paying themselves?
  • Daddillac
    5 years ago
    Icey.... I believe Trump is not getting paid as president, his choice. So there is one
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Everyone in our society should automatically be entitled to a decent living, all basic needs provided for with no questions asked. The UBI system will also expand the amount of money in circulation and expand our economy, and so more people will be able to have paid employment and income producing businesses. SJG Frances Fox Piven, Professor of Political Science and Sociology at the Graduate Center, CUNY [view link] [view link] NOLO, Bourbon Street [view link] AZTECA [view link]
  • Uprightcitizen
    5 years ago
    Why Stalin Justice Giver? You have proven you are not a compassionate human so it's not like you care for others. You demonstrate vindictive and punitive tendencies. Your mindset is just to just punish those who possess more than you. This includes not only those that have wealth but intellect, ambition, achievement and a moral compass. Time for one of you pograms eh?
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Time to build an economy which actually works, rather than continuing people to continue to live a lie. SJG A most impressive article: [view link] Ending the Punishment of Poverty: Supreme Court Rules Against High Fines & Civil Asset Forfeiture [view link] Frances Fox Piven, Professor of Political Science and Sociology at the Graduate Center, CUNY [view link] [view link] NOLO, Bourbon Street [view link] AZTECA [view link] Peter Green - In The Skies ( Full Album ) 1979 [view link] I love the smell of napalm in the morning [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Ishmael's Economist Article about Finland's UBI [view link] Well, I can only see a part of the article. But I think this article is looking at it very differently than I am, and than the US supporters of UBI are. It provides income for those who have not. And it expands our economy as Keynesianism does, letting more people get employment and business income. About increasing work incentivisation, not it is not intended to do that. Listing who supports it, "AMONG THE adherents of universal basic income (UBI) are the Italian government, India’s opposition party and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a Democratic congresswoman in America." SJG Freemasons Revealed [view link] Joe Bonamassa : Live At The Greek Theatre ( full album) [view link] Clark Terry Quartet - Satin Doll [view link] Trump's Enemies List [view link] Oakland CA [view link] [view link] [view link] [view link] [view link] [view link] [view link] [view link] at street sign [view link] [view link] [view link] at corner of New Life church building [view link] [view link] [view link] [view link] [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Finland UBI? [view link] "However, the trial has been riddled with issues and mistakes from the start due to improper planning and a troubled political environment, and now, it is little more than a lesson of how not to run a UBI experiment." "India, the world’s largest democratic country, has endorsed the system — claiming in a report that it is “basically the way forward” — and is now considering the best way to introduce it to its populous. The state of Hawaii, which also recently accepted the terms of the Paris Agreement despite Donald Trump’s federal withdrawal, has also announced on Reddit that they will “begin evaluating universal basic income.”" Yes, so Finland gave it to just some people who were already receiving unemployment benefits. That is not UBI. SJG SJG [view link] [view link] [view link] [view link] TJ Street [view link] [view link] Orlando [view link] Los Angeles Figueroa St. [view link] [view link] [view link] [view link] D-Day [view link] Masonic Symbols [view link] Varshini Prakash: Republicans Are Scared [view link] More in headline segment: [view link] As I know the Green New Deal language started with Van Jones, right after 2008. Really we don't have any other choice. [view link] Baby's Looki' Hot [view link]
  • founder
    5 years ago
    Am I missing something? UBI would be given to everyone, is that correct? President Trump, Oprah, Bernie Sanders, and everyone else would get UBI. Is this a correct assumption?
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Yes, absolutely. Everyone would get it, like it or not. There is no needs test. The rich might want to sign it over to their tax payments. With needs tested programs, it just means that the poor get pilloried. So the Finland experiment was meaningless. Now, the UBI money will recirculate. Money given to the poor recirculates the fastest. Eventually it will end up back where it started, in public coffers. So while higher upper income taxes mean there is less money to inflate the stock and real estate markets, there is more money in circulation. So more people will be able to be employed and to run income producing businesses. Now if UBI is to be implemented, it has to be done in such a way that it is effective. It has to have the intended effects, people have to be able to live on that alone. So the money has to be sufficient. And then as the intent is not just to drive up the cost of living, there have to be public offerings for the critical essentials, the most important of which is housing. There should be public housing towers built. Just start building them at a steady pace and don't stop. Eventually you want the supply to outstrip the demand. Anyone can live in these, no needs test. I suggest that it be price fixed at 1/2 of UBI. So you just click on the box to hand that over. Rent controls are hard to make work. This solves it by letting the government offerings force the slum lord prices down. So the anyone can live anywhere they can afford. The bottom end of the housing market will tend to be at that 1/2 UBI level. Like it is in most all industrialized countries, the US gov't already has a large deal of control over food prices. Should not be a problem. But when it comes to housing, I would guess about a 2x increase at the bottom end. Meaning, you have families doubled up, you have people in homeless shelters, and even out on the street. So expect about a 2x demand increase in housing. So that public housing offering is the most important. Eventually it should be able to turn a profit. But getting the investment made early on will be probably the most funds demanding part. So money from those pre-Reagan higher brackets up to 70% would be going here. Say Santa Clara County CA, population 1.9 Meg, we could have a public housing authority for San Jose, one for West County, and one for East and South County. Say they each make some number of tower starts per year. Say each tower holds 1000 residents, high density. Not sure how long they would take to finish, but it would average out to the same number you start per year, is the number you finish. Maybe 5000 new persons housed in those per year. So that would be a 1/4 % increase in housing stock per year. So build high density, high environmental standards, on extensions of the main public transit lines, the Light Rail, so little need for a car. Have most services in the bottoms of the towers, Retail, Postal, Police, Paramedics, Medial, Child Care, Schools, Colleges, everything. I would certainly want to live there. Then eventually gov't could start buying up the slum lord properties and turning them into parks, or back into farm land or wilderness. The nightmare of Guilded Age / Ayn Rand Capitalism would be over. We would again be a land of opportunity. But having said that there would be higher taxes on large incomes, higher environmental standards, and the end of government hand outs to promote business. The tax code would be re-written, still need the standard deduction. But dependent exemptions and Earned Income Credit, in my opinion, could be dumped. Other programs have to be considered on a case by case basis. Our economic system would be changed. No more Booms and Busts. No more shut out underclass. No more gov't expected to create jobs, or create booms, or to inflate the stock market. No longer are the poor the scapegoats which our politics revolves around. SJG
  • Call.Me.Ishmael
    5 years ago
    ^^^ bullshit.
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Like Buckminster Fuller said, "Because of industrial technology, we already produce enough to let every single person live better than royalty had in past centuries. But the reason we don't see this is that we demand that everyone prove that they can earn a living." SJG Los Angeles [view link] Jeff Healey [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Also, it is assumed that there is Universal Single Payer Health Care. Maybe one gov't owned bank, so everyone automatically gets an account so there is a place to direct deposit their UBI, and maybe for paying taxes too. SJG Papi's No Nonsense Stripper Outfit [view link] That's a booty to die for. But if you follow the written instructions, you'll get that black paint all over you. Critical Path [view link] Grunch of Giants [view link] Los Angeles This one for me! [view link] Jeff Healey [view link]
  • founder
    5 years ago
    Answer me this question that I continue to fail to understand. How, if EVERYONE gets something, does that something retain any value whatsoever? Would you pay me any money at all if I offered to sell you a jar full of air, which I assume you get for free in your part of the world? It makes absolute ZERO sense. You give away $1000 a month to everyone, then $1000 will be worth NOTHING. Why am I not seeing the logic of UBI?
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Maybe it is counter intuitive. But the ground level understanding of our economic system is actually completely nonsensical. This is what Buckminster Fuller was trying to explicate. So if you get your UBI, then you can sign over 1/2 of it and live in a public housing tower. Also, that offering will tend to peg the entry level of the private rental market at the same price. So you get your housing costs covered, basic housing, at 1/2 of UBI. Were it up to me, I would keep Food Stamps, as there are controls on how it is spent, and this is widely accepted. So say a portion of your UBI is delivered via the food stamp program. The rest of it you might spend on clothing. That price is not likely to inflate. You might spend some on public transit, though there might be other public programs which cover that. Maybe you want a bicycle, or a computer. It is just supposed to be a basic living. The things which could cause the most trouble are housing and medical. So these will be publicly provided for. So really, nothing should be devaluing your UBI. During the 1930's Frank Lloyd Wright spoke of how Minimum Wage just fattens slum lords, and spoke of it being necessary to tax them out of existence. Well what I am suggesting instead is just to have the government use market forces in offering its own entry level large scale housing. As it is going to everyone and a huge amount of money, it probably amounts to about a 50% expansion in the size of our economy. That means that many more people able to have paying jobs and income producing businesses. Where money is being subtracted from is in the higher taxes on upper incomes, which means less upwards price pressure on the real estate and stock markets. That money is dead money. Accomplishes nothing. Yanis Varoufakis was citing it at $5.2 Trillion. But by now, with the Trump stock and real estate inflation, it is at least 3x that. This, and the wealth gap, are the main fruits of Reaganomics. And so other industrialized countries do not go down this road. Its like what Fuller was saying too, our economic system does make no sense, it is a system designed to produce strife and war. John Maynard Keynes makes sense. But Milton Freedman and Ayn Rand do not, they are putting out non-sense. UBI and Social Democracy are not really Socialism, they are more like what people said of Keynesianism and the New Deal, they are simply "Saving Capitalism from itself." Georges Bataille spoke of the excess production capacity which Capitalism sets up and which is what creates wars, calling it the "Accursed Share". [view link] And he spoke instead of having a "Gift Economy". Bataille was also a heavy user of Paris Brothels, and he has written examples of how prostitution can also work within this Gift Economy. I think the basic fallacy of our economy is that it rests on the folk adage of "earning a living". SJG Papi's No Nonsense Stripper Outfit [view link] That's a booty to die for. But if you follow the written instructions, you'll get that black paint all over you. Critical Path [view link] Grunch of Giants [view link] Los Angeles This one for me! [view link] [view link] [view link] Jeff Healey [view link] Invisibly Visible: Identifying Masonic Symbols 1/3 [view link] Invisibly Visible: Identifying Masonic Symbols 2/3 [view link] Masonry - Behind Closed Doors [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    One factor which makes things so much different than they had been is simply advanced industrialization. Far less labor is needed to produce food. Things are better designed, so that most everything can now be produced with very little labor. So this is the key to understanding the Great Depression. When the automakers shut down, and when their suppliers shut down, that alone meant 25% unemployment. And then this scared even those who were still employed into not spending. So it deepened. Herbert Hoover could not understand what was happening. At the beginning, Franklin Roosevelt did not understand it either. Automobiles are a very soft need. And how long does an automobile last? It lasts as long as you want to make it last. If we still had a needs economy, then people would still spend anything they had. But as it was more a luxury and social status economy, people stopped spending. And then from that you can see, most of the labor force no longer produces things which feed serious needs. The first example of this was actually in 1873, the first of these global recessions. Centered on steel production in the UK, and as always caused by an over production capability, leading to over consumption and an employment instability. Things ground down, steel ownership was consolidated. The doctrine of Social Darwinism was invented to legitimate why the rich were rich and the poor were poor, and the 1880's became a politically reactionary decade. Pressure was put on the Lame Duck Grant administration, to end Reconstruction. That was, the federal occupation of the South. So the South would be made into a kind of internal third world, a market for manufactured products. And the West would be a natural resource base. The Republican Party was no longer concerned about slavery and racial justice, now it was just the party of Capitalism. And this is how Capitalism works. It does not solve problems, it makes problems. And it perpetuates itself by expanding in scope. And then there are wars, as these soak up the excesses of productive capacity. WWI, WWII, and more bombs being dropped in Vietnam than in all of WWII. In a traditional economy there really is no possibility of large scale unemployment, as it is a shortage based economy. So the labors of each and every person are needed. And then there is still not really enough to go around. The Industrial Revolution has given us exactly the opposite of that. And so Keynesianism is what has kept us going. UBI with the public housing offering and the other things as described, these are just Keynesianism being extended a few steps further, and accounting for the new environmental concerns. Better just to give someone housing and other basic things, then it is to pay them to drive a car to a job. SJG My New Ignore List: SirLapdancealot Papi's No Nonsense Stripper Outfit [view link] That's a booty to die for. But if you follow the written instructions, you'll get that black paint all over you. Critical Path [view link] Grunch of Giants [view link] Los Angeles This one for me! [view link] [view link] [view link] Jeff Healey [view link] Invisibly Visible: Identifying Masonic Symbols 1/3 [view link] Invisibly Visible: Identifying Masonic Symbols 2/3 [view link] Masonry - Behind Closed Doors [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    [view link] [view link] In a lot of ways our EIC was a move towards UBI. Reagan signed it into law and it was refundable. So with the correct parameters, you could have a gross tax bill which was negative. Now Clinton expanded the amounts of money, to live up to his promised "middle-class tax reduction". This is one of the things which brought about the 90's boom, along with the extra 2% high income tax, and some cost reductions in military base closures showing the financial sector that we were not racing to go off of a cliff. When Mitt Romney was lamenting his failing campaign he lamented about the 44% who do not pay income tax, what he was seeing was in large measure due to that EIC. But this shows us something, as EIC is needs tested, it still makes the poor vulnerable to vilification. So EIC has an income cap. And it also has an income bottom. And it seems set up to only work for people with children. In my opinion UBI as currently proposed would allow EIC to be terminated. There really does seem to be no other choice, other than just watching as our country splits in two and the economy pretty much stops. Robert Reich on UBI [view link] SJG Vietnam Freelancers And Hostess Ladies [view link] Avoid Getting Gobbled Up On Pattaya's Streets [view link] Biggest Sign of Divorce [view link] John Dean and E. Howard Hunt, portrayed: [view link] Jeff Healey [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Sunday on the Front Stoop; 'Critical Path', What was Buckminster Fuller trying to tell us? [view link] SJG [view link] [view link] Pablo Sender - The Secret Doctrine: Part 1 - How to Study The Secret Doctrine [view link] James Phillips - Secrets of Adepts: An Introduction [view link] House Votes to Block Trump National Emergency Declaration ( tally means this must have been bipartisan, so it then could pass the Senate. Walls take time to build. So the idea that you build it by declaring a National Emergency is preposterous.) [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    That we still needs test our basic living social programs, still perpetuates the myth that the poor suffer from some kind of a character disorder. And so our politics continues to revolve around this myth, and revolve around the pedagogy of the middle-class family. This in turn increases the use of alcohol, tobacco, street drugs, and psychiatric chemical lobotomy drugs. It also increases the marginalization, and hence reduces the chance that the poorest of the poor will ever be able to obtain livable employment. A first small step we could make toward UBI would be just to universalize food stamps. So everyone would get it, want it or not. I suppose one would have to go pick up, or ask for mail delivery of their little plastic card. Say benefits would start to a crew at that point. So in a supermarket, everyone would be using such cards. Maybe also one could, up to some dollar amount limit, get their IRS refund in cash via such a card. SJG Stride [view link] James P. Johnson and Jean Brady [view link] Alvin Lee – The Bluest Blues [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Planet Earth is a Space Ship. Everything about it is finite. And this means that we have to run things so that they work for everyone, not just for some. So we have to move steadily towards Democratic Socialism. The consequences of failing to do this would not be exaggerated. SJG Cyrille Aimée, Roy Hargrove & Joel Frahm : Love For Sale [view link]
  • Mate27
    5 years ago
    ^^ Why do we have to work towards Democratic Socialism? What makes it better than the current system?
  • IceyLoco
    5 years ago
    Truth is even given the current system, you can't have a consumer based society if your goal is to impoverish the consumer. Sustainable development has to occur at some point. The well being of the workers is the best investment in such a system...hence why European social markets are even better than American capitalism, which mirrors South Africa or Indonesia....and not the first world.
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Meat, Social Democracy means using advanced industrial technology to take care of everyone, and to minimize environmental impact. This is better than we have at present because the present means trashing the environment and setting it up so that many live in dire poverty, all just to support a completely bogus ideology. And it depends upon creating hate to drive elections. Thanks Meat for engaging in civil discourse. And Icey, I agree with you. SJG Kenneth Grant & Typhonian References [view link] Bernie Sanders Kicks Off 2020 Run in Brooklyn, New York Sen. Rand Paul Likely to Oppose Nat’l Emergency in Decisive Vote [view link] Metallica - Ain't My Bitch [view link] Master of Puppets [view link] Metallica - Bleeding Me [view link] [view link] Thin Lizzy Full Concert U K 1983 [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    "More than 100 Democratic lawmakers are co-sponsoring a new House bill to dramatically revamp healthcare in the United States by creating a Medicare-for-all system funded by the federal government. This comes at a time when as many as 30 million Americans have no health insurance and tens of millions more are either underinsured or struggling to pay their health insurance premiums." A UBI system would have to be built on top of something like this, Universal Single Payer Health Care, and the cost fixed public housing offering, and few other much smaller items to. It has to make it so people can live in peace and dignity, without any other income. Any time you have needs tested programs, then that means that the poor are being made into our national scapegoats, always being portrayed as asking for a hand out, or a hand up. Always being made into targets for Recovery, Healing, and Salvation. Rep. Pramila Jayapal: Medicare for All Will Lower Costs & Expand Healthcare Coverage to Everyone [view link] This Universal Medicare would have cost controls. The fault with the original Medicare was that it did not have any cost controls. Remember, the American Medical Association had opposed Medicare. They are the ones who coined the term, "Socialized Medicine". So to get their buy in, LBJ dropped the planned cost controls, board established fees, and let the doctors charge "customary fees". This is why health care costs have since skyrocketed. SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    "Sixteen progressive House Democrats including Rep. Ro Khanna, Rep. Ilhan Omar and Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, sent a letter on Thursday to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo condemning sanctions and threats of military intervention in Venezuela. " [view link] [view link] Ilhan Omar in Her Own Words: I Know What Hate Feels Like [view link] Debate over Ilhan Omar Highlights New Willingness in U.S. to Question Power of Pro-Israeli Lobby [view link] SJG Stones, Gimme Shelter, Atlantic City 1989, early Lisa Fischer [view link] Wicked Lady [view link] [view link]
  • IceyLoco
    5 years ago
    It works in one of the most laissez faire capitalist countries in Europe... Money for nothing: is Finland's universal basic income trial too good to be true? [view link]
  • Mate27
    5 years ago
    How could anyone say basic income has worked? In trial periods in Finland it failed to alleviate any social problems due to low income inqequakity because they already are socialist, so you can’t raise a tide when there is no market movements to begin with. It’s a pathetic attempt to change for the better because they only changed for the sake of changing, to justify their governmental positions. Management is like this, thu will try things just to take credit for any coincidental positives that come out of movements.
  • IceyLoco
    5 years ago
    You're an expert on Finland and its economy now? Finland is one of the most laissez faire markets in EUrope, along with Denmark. Its called sustainable development.
  • Mate27
    5 years ago
    ^^^ I don’t see any of your Finnish credentials oozing from your Profile, Icey. Suppose you read an article off the internet and that makes you some kind of SJW?
  • IceyLoco
    5 years ago
    You're claiming a country is socialist for enacting viable externalities and sustainable development. Norway is also conservative politically, but the people all get a share of the oil money each year. Your problem is that you have a very myopic worldview based on American right wing xtremism. Now go fuck yourself.
  • Mate27
    5 years ago
    ^^ If incould inwould fuck myself. I mean who wouldn’t want to fuck me, I’m an Adonis! Are you projecting yourself onto me, visualizing how you would fuck me, but you can’t because I don’t go your way? No matter, fucking over people is the mantra of socialism, so I can see how you want to fuck everyone over with your false propaganda of your righteous political ideals. Too bad you ain’t got a brain or any experience to figure these things out, since you follow extreme left wing socialites as your idols. Icey, you’d be strung up out there in the middle of America. There’s a big wide world out there ready to eat you alive, so better stick to the urban streets you cling onto for your identity. When Armageddon hits it always come to the highly populous zones first. Good luck if and when it comes, because Darwinism will take over.
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    [view link] This Finland approach is not really UBI. It is being given only to unemployed people. So this means that the program and the people will still be pilloried, made into the scapegoats. The purpose of UBI is to make sure that basic needs are met, and to stop the politics from revolving around denigration of the poor. It is not suppose to reform or save the poor. Rather it is suppose to neutralize the presumption that the poor are in need of reform or salvation. It is supposed to protect the poor from scapegoating. It is also supposed to protect our environment, our worker representation, worker safety and consumer safety. We should not be trashing any of these things in a race to the bottom just to create more jobs. That is a downward spiral being undertaken just to protect an ideology of denigration. Rather, UBI expands the economy, increases the number of jobs and the opportunities for small business, because it uses the tax code to interdict money which would just be inflating the stock and real estate markets, and instead puts them back into circulation. 1/2 of the money goes to those above the median income, 1/2 goes to those below the median income. The first half would be wasted, just inflating the stock and real estate markets, but it is recovered via taxes. The second half recirculates, until it gets back into the hands of rich people. Then it is also recovered via income taxes or sales taxes. Once this system, with the associated cost controlled public housing at 1/2 of UBI, then everyone is taken care of for basic needs, and no one is being scapegoated. No more Psychotherapy, Recovery Movement, Evangelical Christianity. So assume that besides the public housing offering, there is also Universal Medicare, and some type of Universal Free College. We want people reading Plato an Aristotle, and also reading Marx and Engels. But the less people driving cars to work, the better. A nation with a lot more leisure, and a much lower consumption level. Environmental protections, union representation, worker safety, consumer safety. No more tax giveaways just to create jobs. Highest tax bracket returned to pre-Reagan level of 70%. I would say that Capital Gains gets taxed just like other income. But bring back the old Schedule G, Income Averaging. This helps on and off again workers, both high income and low. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez calls out Trump in five-minute corruption game [view link] Ocasio-Cortez may have opened door to Trump's taxes [view link] SJG [view link] Led Zeppelin - Achilles Last Stand (Live Knebworth 1979) [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    We Will See Trump’s Tax Returns: David Cay Johnston Predicts Probes Will Uncover President’s Secrets [view link] SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Until We Reckon: Mass Incarceration, Violence & the Radical Possibilities of Restorative Justice [view link] [view link] SJG John Mayer - Ain't No Sunshine - Live at the Crossroads Guitar Festival 2010 [view link] Gary Clark Jr. - Bright Lights [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    These are the happiest and saddest U.S. states [view link] Hawaii the most happy. West Virginia the most sad. SJG We're Still Right [view link] Kenny Wayne Shepherd - While We Cry - live Summerfest 2015 [view link]
  • IceyLoco
    5 years ago
    Interesting considering both are so poor
  • Mate27
    5 years ago
    Surveys show that an overwhelmingly amount of people with only a high school diploma, about 70%, approve of a universal basic income. Whereas an overwhelmingly amount of educated people with a bachelors degree or higher disapprove of it and only 15% would consider implementing it. Well this tells the story, a bunch of hilly liberal wanna be so golfers just trying to buy votes from stupid people so they can find their fat cat political lifestyle. It’s true when our forefathers states that America can only be destroyed from within our own, meaning our own stupid socialist politicians preaching the ways of Mussolini, Hitler, and General Mao. All promised to take care of their people through socialism and all ended up being truly evil people who took away all of their citizens rights. I see the likes of our socialist democrats doing the same today. We need more capitalist democrats like Beto O’Rourke, not to win any elections it rather just to remind the leftist libtards that we still live in the USA, a Republix built on a constitution that gives freedoms and power to the people willing to work for it, and not willing to hold their hands out for free stuff by sitting f on their ass and voting for liberals. I guess that’s why the likes of AOC, Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters, and Elizabeth Warren want illegal immigrants the right to vote, so they can stay in office because nobody in their right mind would want to pay more in taxes to support the lazy people. UBI is about as stupid as SJG’s posts! I know, redundant isn’t it?
  • IceyLoco
    5 years ago
    Or maybe its greed, the rich don't want the poor having anything. Can't have an exploiter class without an exploited class.
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    ^^^^^ Totally true. Nothing has changed since 1848. After Deadly 1996 Massacre, Australia Overhauled Its Gun Laws. New Zealand Now Plans to Do the Same [view link] SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Meat72, I'm sending you some of this: [view link] SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Elizabeth Warren, Town Hall Meeting, Jackson Mississippi [view link] SJG Gary Clark Jr. - Bright Lights [view link] Joe Bonamassa - If Heartaches Were Nickels LIVE at the Beacon Theatre [view link] Robin Trower - Long Misty Days (1976) [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Senators block progressive Green New Deal proposal [view link] SJG
  • Mate27
    5 years ago
    Andrew Yang, UBI proponent. Not sure what Political environs he runs around in, but have heard he’s making a national push. You can bet he’s
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    "Yang has stated that he became an advocate of a universal basic income after reading American futurist Martin Ford's book Rise of the Robots: Technology and the Threat of a Jobless Future, which deals with the impact of automation and artificial intelligence on the job market and economy." [view link] SJG Monica Lewinsky sounds off on the Mueller report [view link] Gordon Lightfoot Sundown [view link] Led Zeppelin: Live on TV BYEN/Danmarks Radio 1969 [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Universal Basic Income Erik Olin Wright [view link] Homeless Encampments and the Logics of Containment [view link] SJG
  • Mate27
    5 years ago
    Cory Booker, NJ representative, claims to support UBI, and also appears to support moving legal voting age to 16 along with giving illegal immigrants the right to vote in US elections. Not sure if this UBI, illiberal immigrant voting, and age 16 voting is what Thomas Jefferson and several of our founding fathers meant when they said the only way our Republic can be destitute did from within, but I agree. Destroying the best country in the world, USA, would have to be done internally by allowing outside influences to vote; such as illegal aliens and uneducated lazy people to push a socialistic agenda. Problem is that when the youth start earning real wages with high paying jobs, their political views shift from liberal socialism and turns more conservative due to logic and common sense. Winston Churchill describes this best as a natural progression to productivity, poor people aren’t productive.
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Generally it is in the Blue States, higher income, higher education level, where you find the most support for a progressive agenda. And things are different today, than in an agrarian era. A small amount of labor produces way more than enough food, way more than enough of everything. But yet following people like Rick Perry we still are gutting worker rights and safety, and consumer safety, and environmental protections, and for what? So that people can be forced to prove that they can earn a living. If you ask me, pretty stupid. Jefferson trusted the people, in the US, and in France during the revolution too. SJG Azteca [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    One smart Latina can sure shake things up: 3/28 [view link] Green New Deal Policy Writer: Senate Vote Against Climate Plan Was Attempt to Stifle Growing Momentum [view link] “Tell That to the Families in Flint”: AOC Demolishes GOP Claim That Green New Deal Is “Elitist” [view link] “People Are Going to Die”: The Cost of Industry Deregulation by Lobbyists Under Trump [view link] Fighting Racial Bias in an Age of Mass Murder: Prejudice from the Coffee Shop to Charlottesville [view link] SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    This is one of the biggest political issues in San Jose and the surrounding area: Homeless Encampments and the Logics of Containment (audio) [view link] Bio - Chris Herring [view link] CV [view link] Managing Marginality [view link] Mass Homeless Encampments [view link] SF Criminalization of Homelessness ( video ) [view link] UC Berkeley Law Advocacy Clinic Report Released: Homeless Exclusion Districts [view link] Homeless Exclusion Districts ( 52 page pdf ) [view link] Dignity Village (Portland) [view link] SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    ^^^^^ This guy offers no critique of the Christian Evangelicals, the Mental Health System, or the Recovery Movement. I am involved with community groups which try to work with the poor and the homeless and try to dismantle the effects of the above. I want to contact this Chris Herring and try to appraise what his real position is. SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Unconditional Basic Income [view link] [view link] Erik Olin Wright, U Wisconsin Madison Envisioning real utopias / Erik Olin Wright (2010) Understanding class / Erik Olin Wright (2015) Alternatives to capitalism : proposals for a democratic economy / Robin Hahnel, Erik Olin Wright (2016) How to be an anti-capitalist, debate in Jacobin Magazine [view link] Envisioning Real Eutopias (online text) [view link] SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Green New Deal Policy Writer: Senate Vote Against Climate Plan Was Attempt to Stifle Growing Momentum [view link] Deep decarbonization grows our economy 2.5x, and saves $5 Trillion. NASA found that last year the US Economy lost $91 Billion to climate change alone. “Tell That to the Families in Flint”: AOC Demolishes GOP Claim That Green New Deal Is “Elitist”, AOC really puts them in their place! [view link] “People Are Going to Die”: The Cost of Industry Deregulation by Lobbyists Under Trump [view link] Fighting Racial Bias in an Age of Mass Murder: Prejudice from the Coffee Shop to Charlottesville [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Andrew Yang: The War on Normal People: The Truth About America's Disappearing Jobs and Why Universal Basic Income Is Our Future [view link] Smart People Should Build Things: How to Restore Our Culture of Achievement, Build a Path for Entrepreneurs, and Create New Jobs in America [view link] [view link] Venture For America [view link] [view link] “This President Is Cruel”: Congresswoman Slams Trump for Fighting Against Puerto Rico Disaster Aid [view link] SJG Robert A. Caro on the means and ends of power [view link] The Irrationality of Alcoholics Anonymous [view link] Origins of the Perennial Philosophy School of Thought [view link] Ananda Coomaraswamy [view link] Pretend You Have A Cold, Pelosi to Biden [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Chicago Makes Herstory: First African-American Woman and Gay Chicago Mayor Wins in Landslide [view link] SJG AMLO: How Mexico’s New Leftist President Has Navigated Corruption, Inequality and Trump [view link] [view link] The myth of self-control [view link] Zubin Mehta and Khatia Buniatishvili [view link] Dave Matthews Band - All Along The Watchtower (Live in the Central Park) [view link] Dave Matthews Band - Cortez, The Killer (from The Central Park Concert) [view link] Quicksilver Messenger Service - Fresh Air - 12/28/1975 - Winterland [view link] TJ Street [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Universal Basic Income, with a robust public housing offering. The towers will have all services located on the lower floors and will be built on rail public transit lines. And I hope that right from the start, people up in there will be fucking like hairless bonobos, BECAUSE NOTHING WOULD MAKE CONSERVATIVES, LIBERTARIANS, and CHRISTIANS MORE ANGRY!! SJG Cannonball Adderley - Love For Sale [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    We have to learn to live on our daily energy income, the sunlight, instead of using fossil or nuclear fuels. [view link] One of the most profound books I have ever read. [view link] Buckminster Fuller [view link] In my opinion, the solar energy supply is large, but not unlimited. We need to learn how to live using less energy. But we also have to let the population drop. Mostly that means a lower birth rate. Try to get it quickly down to 1 billion, or even down to 1/4 billion. What it takes is consciousness. Right now humanity lives without consciousness. “Falter”: In New Book, Bill McKibben Asks If the Human Game Has Begun to Play Itself Out [view link] SJG John Mayall & The Bluesbreakers with Gary Moore - So Many Roads [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    We have to learn to live on our daily energy income, the sunlight, instead of using fossil or nuclear fuels. [view link] One of the most profound books I have ever read. [view link] Buckminster Fuller [view link] In my opinion, the solar energy supply is large, but not unlimited. We need to learn how to live using less energy. But we also have to let the population drop. Mostly that means a lower birth rate. Try to get it quickly down to 1 billion, or even down to 1/4 billion. What it takes is consciousness. Right now humanity lives without consciousness. “Falter”: In New Book, Bill McKibben Asks If the Human Game Has Begun to Play Itself Out [view link] SJG John Mayall & The Bluesbreakers with Gary Moore - So Many Roads [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    In my opinion, the solar energy supply is large, but not unlimited. We need to learn how to live using less energy. But we also have to let the population drop. Mostly that means a lower birth rate. Try to get it quickly down to 1 billion, or even down to 1/4 billion. What it takes is consciousness. Right now humanity lives without consciousness. And as Fuller explains, it has to be a you and me world, not a you or me world. We have the ability to take care of everybody better than even royalty had lived in past centuries. But the reason that we don't see this is that we demand that everyone prove that they can earn a living. “Falter”: In New Book, Bill McKibben Asks If the Human Game Has Begun to Play Itself Out [view link] [view link] [view link] [view link] The Origins of Order [view link] SJG
  • JimGassagain
    5 years ago
    Wtf!!?? Did SJG just purport the need for genocide and the elimination of 6 billion people? How do you manifest rationalizing such a comment? Makes no sense to me, since it’s the poor people who are overbreeding anyway!
  • CC99
    5 years ago
    Ffs Jim advocating for population reduction doesn't necessarily mean doing it through slaughtering them. I think SJG is more so advocating for just not having children. There are major problems with that plan though because if you do that then you're going to have a shit ton of old people on social security and not enough young people to pay taxes supporting those programs. Btw SJG, I liked the explanation you gave in the OP providing a better solution to how a UBI could be done. I've thought before that 4 trillion dollars sounded like way too much money to be feasible. I should point out though that if a huge percentage of people's living spaces were to become public housing projects, then wouldn't that require stripping huge numbers of people of their property rights? The government would either need to buy that property to force the owners to give it up. Since the latter is highly unethical, it seems that the former would need to be done but buying enough property to make public housing projects for 160 million people is obviously going to be extremely expensive. What are your thoughts on that? I also apologize if you've already addressed this somewhere but the thread is extremely long so I don't feel I have time to go through it.
  • JimGassagain
    5 years ago
    ^^ “Try to get it quickly down to 1 billion or even 1/4 billion” CC, how else does one “quickly” get the population down if it doesn’t call for slaughtering? There’s only one way! Don’t enable the extreme liberal fascist SJG any more than you have already.
  • CC99
    5 years ago
    He is probably referring to not having any kids. Quickly could mean in a hundred years. A population reduction of that amount would be very quick for a hundred year time frame. SJG would not advocate for mass slaughter.
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    No mass slaughter. Just a very low birth rate, for like 80 years, then going back to steady population after. But how to make this happen, takes consciousness. SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    UBI might cost more like $8 billion. But most of the money is just re-circulation. We only need tax hikes to get that portion of the money which ends up in the hands of rich people. That money would go to inflating the stock and real estate markets, and that accomplishes nothing good at all. SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    As far as puplic housing projects, that would need big money to get it going, but then it should actually become profitable, at 1/2 UBI. Should not need anything like eminent domain. We build athletic stadiums and big "urban villages" right now, without eminent domain. So say, big big high rises, in clusters, an on rail public transit, plus rubber tires for other directions. I my mind, UBI would not be enough money that people having only that would want to own cars. So on foot, bicycles, and on public transit. They do this in Europe, as I have seen a presentation by a local expert. 10 to 40 acres, dig out 4 to 6 stories for parking and train station. Can have underground walking places too, for harsh weather. Then build really high. Put all services on lower floors. Anyone can live there, not just the poor. Cost is 1/2 UBI. Anyone can use services and public transit stations. Locally now 22 stories probably the highest, but people planning on going to 35, 40, and 50 stories. Public housing offering should be able to use competition to pull down private rental prices. And then of course, buying up such properties does become feasible. SJG
  • CC99
    5 years ago
    Buying decent public housing complexes and not just the ones we have right now would require the government to purchase apartment buildings from the owners of the land. That sounds incredibly expensive to me to do that on a wide scale in order to have enough public housing that enough of the UBI money get's circulated back into the government. Since UBI would cut out the existing welfare programs, you could theoretically save 2.3 trillion dollars and then you would be putting in a 3.3 trillion dollar program to give everybody $10,000 a year. That means for this to work, you'd have to find a way to get an additional 1 trillion dollars recirculated back into the government. I think that $20,000 a year would be too much to handle, you would need to make sure that 2/3 of the money got recirculated.
  • CC99
    5 years ago
    Course I don't know how much the current welfare programs recirculate money.
  • Uprightcitizen
    5 years ago
    This could be the most impractical conversation ever. Go back to playing sim city or whatever and satisfy your God complex there.
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    CC99 presumably the public housing complexes would be new constructions. Most places, housing is in great shortage. Don't want to put any of it out of action, not without good reason. Want to start building it and continue at a steady pace in perpetuity. Very high density, ecologically sound, on rail public transit. Services on the lower levels. This increase in employment is one of the benefits of the entire UBI program. So is the greater use of public transit and ecological design. Money always recirculates, but the lower on the economic level it is given too, the faster it recirculates. Just universalizing our current food stamps program would make for a big improvement. But money usually works its way upwards, this is how the rich have got it set up. And then with a universal program, half of the benefit goes to those above median income. So all this money does is inflate the stock and real estate markets. So this is why there have to be hikes to income tax, and probably also a wealth tax. SJG Georges Delerue, Music for the film Dien Bien Phu [view link] [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Uprightcitizen, Universal Basic Income is actually an old idea. Thomas Paine had suggested it, and so did Milton Freedman and a panel of 10 conservative economists. What makes now the time, is simply that industrial technology continues to deliver more and more with less, and this means less labor. So consider it the Peace Dividend from the end of the Cold War. With this UBI program, more people would be able to have income producing employment and small businesses. SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    In my view, housing is the number 1 thing which demand for which would expand, and then there would be a risk of inflation, if the UBI program were put in place. You have families doubled up, living with relatives, living in homeless shelters, and on the street. If UBI went into effect I estimate a doubling of demand for entry level housing, and then inflation to go along with that. Nothing else quite like this. People already do get food, and the gov't here, as in most industrialized countries, does in large measure have control over food prices. We will have Universal Medicare, with cost controls. And we need at least some kind of universal free college. But this need not really cost very much. So housing is the issue. Need to construct a large public offering. Long term it should make money, at a 1/2 of UBI cost. But need money to get started and to move ASAP in building lots of it, and getting people out of cars and out of lower density housing. Buckminster Fuller was focused primarily on housing. SJG
  • CC99
    5 years ago
    I guess it would probably take awhile to setup then if it was going to work. I've actually never heard of us having a shortage on housing, I've mainly heard that our cities are too dense actually but I've also heard that population density actually kind of helps reduce global warming because high population density means less distance to the places people need to go which means walking and biking becomes more practical and people don't have to rely on cars so much.
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    We have a vast housing shortage, most acute at the entry level, and thus inflating the costs. Where I live there are people living 10 to a room and, sleeping in shifts. Most of the problem in energy consumption would be in transportation and heating. We are living in a completely unsustainable way. Besides letting the population drop, the most important thing to do is to go to high density, and proximit to public transit, and going to bicycles. We cannot fix all problems with this, but the new public housing offering should be high density and on rail public transit, built in clusters and with most all services on the lower floors. [view link] [view link] Frank Lloyd Wright had wanted to build a few mile high towers in Chicago, and then level the rest of it and turn it into parks. We cannot level much of anything, but we can build the high density structures we need. And getting that employment would be a big benefit too. Right now, the money is just locked into inflating the stock and real estate markets. Urban Villages [view link] High rents create a new class of hidden homeless in Los Angeles [view link] “A Message from the Future with AOC”: New Film Imagines World Transformed by the Green New Deal [view link] “We Can Be Whatever We Have the Courage to See”: Molly Crabapple’s Art Breathes Life Into Green New Deal [view link] Noam Chomsky: The Green New Deal Is Exactly the Right Idea [view link] SJG D-Day Broadcast, 1 [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    AOC responds to Mueller report by accusing of Republican's 'double standards on impeachment' [view link] SJG This is awesome! One petite Latina can change everything! [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    James Clapper: Mueller report is devastating [view link] SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Baltimore Writer D. Watkins: “We Speak for Ourselves: A Word from Forgotten Black America” [view link] SJG Frijid Pink - Earth Omen 1972 (full album) quite good! [view link] Wicked Lady - Blow Your Mind 1972 (Full Vinyl 1995) [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Economist Joseph Stiglitz: Capitalism Hasn’t Been Working for Most People for the Last 40 Years [view link] Joseph Stiglitz: Elizabeth Warren & Bernie Sanders Want to Make the Economy Work for All Americans [view link] SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    “A Shameful Week for the U.S.”: Trump Admin Guts U.N. Resolution to End Rape as Weapon of War [view link] Planned Parenthood President: Trump’s “Pro-Life” Agenda Is Killing Thousands in the U.S. and Globally " DR. LEANA WEN: What the Trump administration is trying to do with this gag rule is to prevent doctors from fulfilling our ethical obligation. When I became a doctor, I took an oath that I would always provide honest, full and accurate information to my patients. To restrict what I can say, to have the Trump administration or any politician telling me what I can and cannot say to my patients, is just unethical, unconscionable and, frankly, unthinkable. This is the reason why over a hundred medical, nursing, public health groups, including the American Medical Association, American Nurses Association, American Public Health Association, have stood up in strong opposition to this Title X gag rule, because we know that it would force us to compromise the oath that we took to serve our patients, and also that it would not happen for any other aspect of healthcare. I mean, how ludicrous would it be if doctors now cannot tell our patients who come for insulin and who have diabetes—if we cannot tell them about where they can go to get insulin, a life-saving and life-changing treatment? " " I mean, there’s huge hypocrisy right here in the U.S., but that hypocrisy we’ve seen time and time again, and actually first with this Trump-Pence administration’s policies globally. One of the first things that this administration did was to reinstate and expand the global gag rule. And we’ve already seen the impact of this gag rule, because they have taken away funding from clinics, health centers, organizations, that even offer information about abortion care and the full spectrum of reproductive healthcare, which is what abortion is. Abortion is a standard medical procedure that’s part of the full spectrum of reproductive healthcare. And for many people, it is lifesaving. It is a critical procedure. It is a critical part of modern medicine. We’ve seen what happens when people, internationally, do not have access to safe, legal abortions. Actually one-tenth of maternal mortality globally is due to unsafe abortions. Thirty thousand women die every year around the world because they do not have access to safe, legal abortions. " [view link] Roe v. Wade Under Threat: Planned Parenthood Pres. Speaks Out as State Laws Threaten to Ban Abortion " And that’s why Planned Parenthood is fighting back with everything that we have. We are opposing these rules. We’ve fought back many of these bad bills. And we’re also working with our champions across the country to protect and expand the right to reproductive healthcare, because we know that reproductive healthcare and women’s healthcare must be treated as what they are, which is healthcare, and that the vast majority of the American people support women making their own healthcare decisions, not politicians telling women and families what we should be doing with our health and our bodies. " [view link] SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Trump agrees to spend $2 trillion on US infrastructure [view link] SJG Soror Syrix [view link] Foucault and Biopolitics [view link] PHILOSOPHY - Michel Foucault [view link] Biopower: Why We Don’t Revolt [view link] Alvin Lee – The Bluest Blues [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Hands Off Ilhan Omar: Angela Davis & Black Women Leaders Defend Congresswoman from Right-Wing Attacks [view link] SJG Sammy Hagar - Standing Hampton - 1981 [view link]
  • Fun_Loving_Fella
    5 years ago
    Is it bump season again already?
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    We Can’t Back People Who Hate Our Kids: Kentucky & Minnesota Teachers of Year Boycott Trump Meeting [view link] Ocasio-Cortez Shines Light On ‘Sloppy’ GOP Witnesses: ‘It’s Embarrassing’ In February, Ocasio-Cortez expressed her shock at discovering that lobbyists pay people (some of whom are homeless) to wait in line for them outside committee hearings. Shock doesn’t begin to cover it. Today I left a hearing on homelessness & saw tons of people camped outside committee. I turned to my staff and asked if it was a demonstration. “No,” they said. “Lobbyists pay the homeless + others to hold their place so they can get in 1st.” [view link] SJG Nirvana - Reading Festival (1992) [view link] Dark Side of the Moon [view link] Jimi Hendrix The Star Spangled Banner [view link]
  • IceyLoco
    5 years ago
    Presidential candidate Andrew Yank supports it and explains it well on his site [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    ^^^^^^ Agreed. He has two books too. US stocks slide after threat from Trump to raise tariffs [view link] SJG
  • IceyLoco
    5 years ago
    He's my favorite candidate and the one with the most detailed platform. I think we're at an extremely crucial point in history. These elections will determine the future ideological course of the nation. The country is waking up.
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Yes, I agree, this is an extremely crucial point in history, and people are waking up. Remember in 1992, it was not Bill Clinton or Paul Tsongas who introduced the idea of health care which covered every American. It was Bob Kerry of Nebraska. He was pushing this from over a year before he primaries started. He did not push it as Single Payer, or Universal. He just insisted that it had to cover every American, and that this is what would make our nation part of the community of industrialized nations. And so all the democrats then adopted this, Clinton, Tsongas, Tom Harkin, and Jerry Brown. And when Clinton was in office, he held to that, that it had to cover every American. Unfortunately, the health insurance companies with their Thelma and Louise adds and all, impossible to get it through the Senate. So in any event, it could be Andrew Yang who is our Bob Kerry, making UBI the issue for the 2020 election. I want to see this. We need this. SJG Deep Purple - Anya (from Come Hell or High Water) [view link]
  • IceyLoco
    5 years ago
    We really do. The disparities between people's incomes and the cost of living is just too high now a days. And health insurance....I mean what family can afford $500 a month for decent insurance. Rents, cost of food, gas.... We're slipping into becoming a third world nation.
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    ^^^^^ We need a smaller work force. We can't just keep doing ecological damage, just to create more jobs. In fact, UBI will allow more people to have jobs and more people to have income producing businesses. Just less money around to inflate the stock and real estate markets. Billion Dollar Loser: NYT Report on Trump’s Taxes & Massive Losses May Prompt Fraud Investigation [view link] SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    The Gig Is Up: Rep. Deb Haaland Introduces Bill to Make Uber & Lyft Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes [view link] [view link] [view link] SJG
  • Daddillac
    5 years ago
    [view link] TOP DEFINITION san jose guy A chump who enjoys GFE make out sessions in the front room of local strip clubs. He also enjoys Hungry Man dinners while sitting in his footy pajamas in his mother’s basement. A victim of brain erosion due to chronic masturbation. I just enjoyed a great San Jose Guy experience! My cock is sore, and my tongue is burned (from my Hungry Man dinner), and my mom is upset because I got jizz on the mashed potatoes. by Cashman1234 October 29, 2017
  • IceyLoco
    5 years ago
    Dadillac, This thread is about the notion of a UBI, and you insinuate that the OP enjoys strippers and having frozen food at his mom's. Then accuse him of masturbating into food. I think you're confused.
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    “Black Mama’s Bail Out Day”: Movement Grows to Free Black Women From Jail for Mother’s Day [view link] “We Have No Reason to Trust the Police”: Sandra Bland Arrest Video Reignites Anger Over Her Death [view link] SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Bernie and AOC have joined together to pass the Loan Shark Prevention Act. Could this may become a big issue in 2020? [view link] SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    With one Twitter thread, Ocasio-Cortez destroys the myth that poor people are poor because they’re ‘irresponsible’ [view link] SJG Michelle Alexander on The New Jim Crow, at Union Theological Seminary ( she wrote a very important book ) [view link] Paul Tillich Symposium: John Caputo Lecture [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Alabama Passes Bill Making Abortion Criminal [view link] Alabama lawmaker on most restrictive abortion bill: "This is horrible." State Senator Bobby Singleton [view link] This is a really good book, deals with late term abortion, minors and parental consent, and the anti-abortion wackos. [view link] Alabama governor signs near-total abortion ban into law [view link] SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Good book 1974, [view link] Nicole, what do you think about Alabama's near total abortion ban. Clearly they are intending to attack Roe v. Wade. They even want to criminally prosecute women for seeming miscarriage attempts. Not aware of anywhere in the world where at anytime pronatalism has gone this far. Alabama Passes Bill Making Abortion Criminal [view link] Alabama lawmaker on most restrictive abortion bill: "This is horrible." State Senator Bobby Singleton [view link] This is a really good book, deals with late term abortion, minors and parental consent, and the anti-abortion wackos. [view link] Alabama governor signs near-total abortion ban into law [view link] Alabama governor signs near-total abortion ban into law [view link] Pro and anti-abortion rights activists on future of Alabama abortion bill [view link] Astute observers have pointed out that abortion became a political issue in the lead up to the 1968 election when Nixon's people introduced it as a wedge issue to try and peel away Catholic voters. Catholics have usually been a key swing vote. Prior to G. H. W. Bush, no one had ever won the Presidency without also winning a majority of the Catholic vote. SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Bernie Sanders campaign co-chair Ro Khanna: no mud-slinging against Democrats [view link] [view link] Meet The Alabama Doctor Who Could Face 99 Years In Prison For Providing Abortions Under New Law [view link] What Does a Post-Roe America Look Like? As Anti-Choice Laws Multiply, Many Already Are Living In It [view link] SJG Frances Fox-Piven, really good! [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Kamala Harris would toughen penalties on employers who underpay women. Not allowed to ask salary history anymore. Shifts burden of proof from the women, to the employers. [view link] SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    “Modern-Day Indentured Servitude”: How Predatory Lenders Devastated New York City’s Taxi Drivers [view link] SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Rev. William Barber: Racist Gerrymandering Created a GOP Stronghold in the South. We Must Fight Back [view link] SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    San Jose: 42 percent spike in homeless population [view link] This is serious, basic fabric is coming apart. Of course UBI with strong public housing offering, but no rent control, would completely solve this. [view link] SJG
  • Mate27
    5 years ago
    Give UBI to urbanites and all you get is them spending it on sucking cock and Prius, fruiting up the neighborhood with their transgender elective surgeries the way Randumbmember likes it!
  • Liwet
    5 years ago
    If anybody needs a reason to ignore SJG, this thread should be enough.
  • IceyLoco
    5 years ago
    The guy who got 86ed from one of the most permissive clubs in Vegas for being creepy saying SJG should be ignored for saying everyone deserves money to live off of.... got it
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Most people will spend the money on housing and food. After that, what they do with it does not really matter. So long as it does not get into the hands of the rich, it recirculates until taxes eat it up. When it does get into the hands of the rich, it would go to inflating the stock and real estate markets. But we will have it so that progressive taxation gets it back. Really a material utopia, except I guess for those who want to denigrate poor people, and figure that police can protect them. SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Promise basic living, including housing, medical care, and college, plus some spending money, for all. And then with this expansion of the economy comes increased employment and business opportunities. SJG Like this album cover? [view link] [view link] [view link] Arrows held in the left instead of the right. Right holds the olive branch, to show that peace is the preferred course. [view link]
  • Mate27
    5 years ago
    So you have to be gay to receive UBI? Do UBI membership drain each other dry 24/7 by having sex with other dudes? If so, then no thanks I think I’d rather be broke and poor than joining SJG’s UBI cult.
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Sen. Elizabeth Warren: We Need to Make Structural Changes to Our Government & Economy [view link] I was so pleased when I say that Massachusetts had elected Elizabeth Warren to the Senate. Right now she is out polling the other Democrats. SJG
  • FTS
    5 years ago
    As far as I know, Andrew Yang is the only presidential candidate who is actually running on the promise of enacting full-blown universal basic income. Not just an expanded welfare system, a truly universal income given to every American citizen (over 18 yrs old) on a monthly basis. Mr. Yang is debating some other candidates tonight. Let's hope one of the moderators asks a question about UBI to see how they all respond.
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    "Andrew Yang is the only presidential candidate who is actually running on the promise of enacting full-blown universal basic income. Not just an expanded welfare system, a truly universal income given to every American citizen (over 18 yrs old) on a monthly basis." Agreed! With the Green New Deal, I think that would come, but at least initially they seem to be stopping short of that, instead focusing on Infrastructure build up, on Universal Medicare, and on Free College, and maybe on college loan forgiveness. As I see it infrastructure expansion is essential because with UBI the main demand increase will be at the bottom end of the housing market. You have to have a strong public housing offering to prevent price escalation. I suggest making it so the public housing costs 1/2 of UBI. You use competition to keep the private housing prices down. Yes, very interesting to see what happens with Yang. Expanded welfare would be one step beyond traditional Keynesianism, as I see it. But that makes the problem of pillorying the poor. Today our politics is little more than that. So the second step beyond would be UBI. I believe that the whole thing will work very very well! SJG
  • BrotherFogHorn
    5 years ago
    Grow up and go to church SJG
  • Mate27
    5 years ago
    Andrew stroked his Yang on stage tonight during the debate behind his podium. He made an “Oh” face thinking about his front room makeout session with an AA queen at a black dive bar.
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Brotherfoghorn, Religion is the opiate of the masses. Andrew Yang [view link] [view link] Speaking for myself, I think the idea of UBI is great, necessary. But to make it work, it has to have the intended effect. That effect should be to let people who have nothing else, live in basic dignity. So Yang says $1000 per month, and so a total of $3T to $3.2T. And then $1.4T would be freed up from other programs being closed. Obviously there will be lots of details to decide. 1. In my view it should be more like $2k per month, and about $8T total annual pay out. 2. Money will come from that $1.4T free up, but most of it will come from re-circulation, amounting to a huge expansion to the economy. 3. Does this require tax increases? Yes, but not as much as you might expect. 1/2 of the money is being given to those below the median income. This money recirculates until it is nibbled away by taxes, so that it can be paid out again, or until it gets into the hands of the rich. 1/2 of the money goes to those above the median income level. And then the rich have usually stationed themselves as toll gates of one sort or another, like in a monopoly game. So they snag up the money eventually. In that case, it does not recirculate, it goes to inflating the stock and real estate markets. So to get the money back from the rich, tax increases. 4. What else is needed to make this work? a) Strong public housing offering b) Universal Medicare with cost controls, Universal Child Care c) Free College of some sort. 5. How do these other things work? The largest likely increase in demand will be at the entry level of the housing market. So to avoid cost increases and to avoid rent control, build this public housing in quantity. Creates jobs, better environmentally. So on the best public transit lines, usually called Urban Villages. High rise, high density, all kinds of services on the lower floors, on the rail public transit. Assume that this will favor car free life! Huge improvement here. Say it is fixed rent at 1/2 of UBI. Eventually should turn profit. But getting this built quickly will take more money, more new taxes. This probably will cost more in new taxes than UBI itself. 5. Universal Medicare with cost controls. Medical care and access are one of the biggest things which people cannot afford or go broke over. Need to solve this. Medicare now does not have cost controls, this will. Also Universal Free Child Care. 6. Some kind of free college, hopefully via online and via classes in the lower floors of these towers. We want to support people who want to educate themselves. Being able to do it without commute travel is big improvement. SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    MATH, Make Americans Think Harder [view link] SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Andrew Yang: "The American Dream is dying by the numbers" [view link] Andrew Yang: We're scapegoating immigrants for economic problems [view link] SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    [view link] So CSU San Jose has "4300 unhoused students", the highest rate in the CSU system. Article's author C. J. Prusi was able to graduate, but it involved living in Benicia, where the one way drive was be 1hr. To use the Amtrak Capital Corridors, he says it was 3 hrs. But he does say Benicia is cheaper living. But maintaining a working automobile is really hard on many students. When he ran for Mayor of San Jose, County Supervisor Dave Cortese characterized the typical homeless person as an employed San Jose City College student, who sleeps in their car because rents are too high and wages are too low. Cortese lost by a very narrow margin, and the voting was very much neighborhood by neighborhood, and closely tied to race and socio economic status. His opponent was the darling of the business community, and has tended to characterize the homeless and anyone with a low income as a social hygiene menace. The article speaks of 9% of CSU Students (23 campuses) going homeless during the last year. For Community colleges the number is 12% But also UCLA, known for frats, sororities, and pricey showy cars, has now it own "Bruins Homeless Shelter" for its own homeless students. Article also focuses on one Alejandro Mayorga. Like most of the homeless students who live in their cars, he is employed. He works 30 hours per week at In 'n' Out Burger. But the only place he can afford to live is in his car. A Sociology major, originally from Ingleside ( probably community college ) With work and school he has to try and catch sleep anywhere he can, which for many will be in the library. So then I would point out, that besides these time and money constraints for those supporting themselves to get through school, they may also have to endure insults from these colostomy bags that have grown legs and salamander brains and are walking around, such as Skibum609 and Meat72, to name but two of them. Fortunately Governor Gavin Newsom does understand that problem, and so he has announced Free Community College for first time attendees. And he knows that college tuition is only part of the cost, so he says that this will be only the first step. [view link] SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Yang 'Sweepstakes' The Debate [view link] SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Cuomo presses Yang on policy: Why doesn't that offend capitalism? [view link] SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    [view link] This Chris Hedges has written a lot of books. Really does look interesting. America : the farewell tour / Chris Hedges (2018) "A profound and provocative examination of America in crisis, where unemployment, deindustrialization, and a bitter hopelessness and malaise have resulted in an epidemic of diseases of despair--drug abuse, gambling, suicide, magical thinking, xenophobia,and a culture of sadism and hate. America, says Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter Chris Hedges, is convulsed by an array of pathologies that have arisen out of profound hopelessness, a bitter despair and a civil society that has ceased to function. The opioid crisis, the retreat into gambling to cope with economic distress, the pornification of culture, the rise of magical thinking, the celebration of sadism, hate, and plagues of suicides are the physical manifestations of a society that is being ravaged by corporate pillage and a failed democracy. As our society unravels, we also face global upheaval caused by catastrophic climate change. All these ills presage a frightening reconfiguration of the nation and the planet. Donald Trump rode this disenchantment to power. In America: The Farewell Tour, Hedges argues that neither political party, now captured by corporate power, addresses the systemic problem. Until our corporate coup d'etat is reversed these diseases will grow and ravage the country. A poignant cry reported from communities across the country, America: The Farewell Tour seeks to jolt us out of our complacency while there is still time"-- Provided by publisher. "A deep and troubling examination of the dark corners of working-class America, where unemployment and the loss of traditional jobs have produced an epidemic of drug abuse, bigotry, and even suicide, coupled with an urgent plea to rearrange our prioritiesto address the ills of middle America and emphasize the common good"-- Provided by publisher. SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    So lets look a little bit at this Chris Hedges, his books, his bio: America : the farewell tour / Chris Hedges (2018) [view link] Born in Vermont, graduate of Harvard Divinity School. Christopher Lynn Hedges (born September 18, 1956) is an American journalist, Presbyterian minister, and visiting Princeton University lecturer. His books include War Is a Force That Gives Us Meaning (2002), a finalist for the National Book Critics Circle Award for Nonfiction; Empire of Illusion: The End of Literacy and the Triumph of Spectacle (2009); Death of the Liberal Class (2010); Days of Destruction, Days of Revolt (2012), written with cartoonist Joe Sacco, which was a New York Times best-seller; Wages of Rebellion: The Moral Imperative of Revolt (2015); and his most recent America: The Farewell Tour (2018). Hedges is a columnist for the progressive news and commentary website Truthdig.[1][2] He hosts the program On Contact for the RT (formerly Russia Today) television network.[3] Hedges spent nearly two decades as a foreign correspondent in Central America, West Asia, Africa, the Middle East, and the Balkans. He has reported from more than fifty countries, and has worked for The Christian Science Monitor, NPR, Dallas Morning News, and The New York Times,[4] where he was a foreign correspondent for fifteen years (1990–2005). In 2001, Hedges contributed to The New York Times staff entry that received the 2002 Pulitzer Prize for Explanatory Reporting for the paper's coverage of global terrorism. He also received the Amnesty International Global Award for Human Rights Journalism in 2002.[5] He has taught at Columbia University, New York University, the University of Toronto and Princeton University, where he is a visiting lecturer in African American studies.[4][6][7][8] Hedges has taught college credit courses for several years in New Jersey prisons. He teaches a course through Princeton University in which the class is composed of half prisoners and half Princeton undergraduates.[5] He has described himself as a socialist[9][10] and more specifically as a Christian anarchist,[11][12] identifying with Catholic activist Dorothy Day in particular.[13] Presbyterian Minister On October 5, 2014, Hedges was ordained a minister within the Presbyterian Church. He was installed as Associate Pastor and Minister of Social Witness and Prison Ministry at the Second Presbyterian Church Elizabeth in Elizabeth, New Jersey.[64] He noted having been rejected for ordination 30 years earlier, saying that "going to El Salvador as a reporter was not something the Presbyterian Church at the time recognized as a valid ministry, and a committee rejected my 'call'". here? [view link] Yes, ^^^^^ in the pictures and with Cornell West. 1161 East Jersey Street Elizabeth, NJ, 07201 Second Presbyterian Church 1161 E Jersey St Elizabeth, NJ 07201 Website: [view link] And two books of note: 2007: American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America (ISBN 0743284437) 2008: I Don't Believe in Atheists (ISBN 141656795X) Yes all readily available. But there is this retitle of I Don't Believe in Atheists 2009: When Atheism Becomes Religion: America's New Fundamentalists, (ISBN 9781416570783) THe retitle is a bit more obscure, but it does not look to be otherwise any different. SJG The Faces - (I Know) I'm Losing You live at the BBC ( as I know this is a Rare Earth song ) [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    “Nothing Ends Homelessness Like a Home”: Advocates Slam Trump’s Attack on SF & Homeless People [view link] Trump vs. California: In Blow to Climate, U.S. Revokes State’s Stricter Auto Emissions Standards [view link] As Man Dies in ICE Custody, California Moves to Ban For-Profit Prisons, Including Immigrant Jails [view link] SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Bloomberg Op-Ed: Warren Would Be Better For Economy Than Trump [view link] SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Can Fed Keep Economy Going For Much Longer? w/ Richard Wolff [view link] SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    30,000+ Chicago Teachers & Support Staff Go on Strike Calling on City to Invest More in Schools [view link] SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez endorses Bernie Sanders at Queens rally [view link] According to Sanders, we have 500,000 people in the US who have nothing and who sleep on the street. Experience with local community activists supports this. SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    “State of Emergency”: Special Report on California’s Criminalization of Growing Homeless Encampments [view link] SJG Is Donald Trump still President? [view link] If you are struggling and support Trump I understand. If you have money and support Trump you are a piece of shit [view link] Calling for the Resignation of Donald Trump ! [view link] Warm Water Port? Has Trump Committed Treason? [view link] Who Will Give Trump Asylum, And Can He Get There? [view link] Trump Totally Wrong About Border and Wall [view link] UBI ( Universal Basic Income ) [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Pushed Out, Attacked & Criminalized: San Francisco’s Unhoused People Speak Out Amid Housing Crisis [view link] SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    ^^^^^^ "All renters in San Francisco are insecure" Change in attitudes, renters seeing themselves in the eyes of homeless people. SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Vowing to End Cash Bail & Reform Justice System, Chesa Boudin Wins San Francisco DA Race We have largely done this is Santa Clara County. It had all been extremely unfair. Now San Francisco: [view link] SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    New San Francisco DA: Boudin descends from a long left-wing lineage. His great-great-uncle, Louis B. Boudin,[8] was a Marxist theoretician and author of a two-volume history of the Supreme Court's influence on American government, and his grandfather Leonard Boudin was an attorney who represented controversial clients such as Fidel Castro and Paul Robeson. [view link] Boudin was born in New York City.[1] His parents, Kathy Boudin and David Gilbert, were Weather Underground members.[2] When Boudin was 14 months old, his parents were arrested for murder in their role as getaway car drivers in the Brink's robbery of 1981 in Rockland County, New York.[1][3] His mother was sentenced to 20 years to life[4] and his father to 75 years to life for the felony murders of two police officers and a security guard.[5] After his parents were incarcerated, Boudin was raised in Chicago by adoptive parents Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, who, like his parents, had been members of the Weather Underground.[6] Kathy Boudin was released under parole supervision in 2003.[ Both parents Weather Underground Members. Both served time, father still serving time. I wonder what his views are on P4P and strip club mileage and FRMOS's? SJG
  • nemesisk7
    5 years ago
    We need a new system for everyone !!!
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    We need a Green New Deal! SJG Tchaikovsky Nutcracker Suite, Dance of the Sugar Plum Faries, w/ acoustic celeste [view link]
  • TrollWarnBot
    5 years ago
    WARNING - The following accounts are considered to be forum trolls and may not be trustworthy: san_jose_guy - Commonly referred to as SJG this forum member may have some sort of mental illness and is usually mocked or ignored. SJG has a long history of posting incendiary comments including being pro-rape. His comments should NOT be taken in any way as legitimate.
  • nemesisk7
    5 years ago
    IMPEACH !!!!
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Richard Wolff counters libertarian arguments against socialism [view link] Global Capitalism: The Economics of Taxing Wealth [November 2019] [view link] Richard Wolff: "Democracy at Work: A Cure for Capitalism" [view link] SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Michael Moore: Americans Pay More for Healthcare Than Others, But “We Don’t Call It a Tax” [view link] SJG Pope Francis Condemns Migrant Detention Camps in Christmas Day Address Millions of people around the world celebrated Christmas Wednesday. Pope Francis prayed for migrants around the world and condemned “inhumane detention camps” during his annual Christmas Day address at St. Peter’s Basilica in the Vatican City. Pope Francis: “May the son of God, come down to Earth from heaven, protect and sustain all of those who, due to these and other injustices, are forced to emigrate in the hope of a secure life. It is injustice that makes them cross deserts and seas that become cemeteries. It is injustice that forces them to endure unspeakable forms of abuse, enslavement of every kind and torture in inhumane detention camps. It is injustice that turns them away from places where they might have the hope of a dignified life but instead find themselves before the walls of indifference.” [view link] Love Addict, Confessions of a Serial Dater, by Koren Shadmi [view link] Graphic novel, looks entertaining!
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Papi's thread about UBI [view link] SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Universal Basic Income [view link] Work Ethic [view link] SJG Someone gave me this for Christmas. Book is a fold out wall chart, 3 meters long. Cool! [view link] Wretched of the Earth in historical Context [view link] Cream - White Room -1968 [view link] Yes - Yours Is No Disgrace - Live at Beat-Club - 1971 - Remastered [view link] [view link] TJ Street [view link] [view link] Lincoln Project [view link] [view link] [view link]
  • Uprightcitizen
    5 years ago
    All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
  • Nidan111
    5 years ago
    I have not read any of this thread. My stance on UBI. Get educated on whatever you want to do for a living. Go out and work your ass off for that living. Don’t expect me to fund your lazy ass for being unmotivated to get out and capitalize on your skills. If you chose skills that suck, like flipping a fucking burger, then that is on you, not me.
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    We need a smaller work force. There is no market demand for even the present work force, which is why we end up having the government try to "create jobs". No one is expecting you to fund anyone, but you cannot unilaterally secede from the tax code. Taxation and spending is what keeps the mid sector of the economy humming, mostly likely this includes you and your income too. So without taxation and spending this country would divide into the very very poor and a very small very very rich. You wouldn't want that would you? SJG
  • skibum609
    5 years ago
    We need a smaller workforce? Ok every fuckinmg illegal out of America and all immigration ends because they are not needed. Fucking retard.
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Immigrants are workers and consumers. They live 10 to a room, shift sleeping where I am. They take the jobs on one else wants, and they take the wages no one else could live on. We need more people working, like building sand castles, and contemplating their navels. These are the benefits of advanced industrial, information, and agricultural technology. And we need one more thing, more people getting marshal arts training. Think about it Skibum, what will it be like when everyone you call names like Loser and Retard has got marshal arts training? SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    4 years ago
    First Lady of the World: Eleanor Roosevelt’s Impact on New Deal to U.N. Declaration of Human Rights [view link] SJG Whitesnake - Still of the Night [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
    4 years ago
    CloseUp: Yang hopes to ‘shock the world’ with primary win [view link] LOL, that we should have such a smart and such an honest person running for POTUS. No one else is being real. They still take this middle-class parental view. SJG TJ Street [view link] [view link] [view link] Stockroom [view link] [view link] [view link] [view link] Leave the panties off of course: [view link] Larsa Pippen [view link] [view link] [view link] [view link] ELP | Emerson, Lake & Palmer - 40th Anniversary Reunion - Full Concert ᴴᴰ 2010 [view link]
  • skibum609
    4 years ago
    You couldn't raise a geranium stupid.
  • san_jose_guy
    4 years ago
    ^^^^^ maybe not, but I could give you the lobotomy you need, and I don't do it the way the white coats do. SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    4 years ago
    The bottom line on Measure E for San Jose voters is this: The city must step up and do its part if San Jose has any hope of solving its housing crisis. [view link] SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    4 years ago
    Why the U.S. Should Provide Universal Basic Income [view link] I am convinced that we all can learn more advanced math than we had previously thought. [view link] [view link] Talking about how the Cold War victory has been squandered, and how we have ended up with Trump. [view link] Steven Rattner blows up Trump claim about "his great" economic success. [view link] SJG Pleaser 10", enclosed heel [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
    4 years ago
    [view link] ^^^^^ explains that capitalism works via an army of psychopathic androids. [view link] SJG Electric Blues [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
    4 years ago
    The Squad, One Hour! “Our Very Existence Is the Resistance”: An Hour w/ AOC, Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib & Ilhan Omar [view link] George McGovern was a visionary for his time. [view link] President Trump is set to unveil his 2021 budget request today. The $4.8 trillion budget would increase military spending while cutting Medicare and Medicaid, seeks $2 billion for construction of Trump’s border wall and slashes EPA spending by 26%. Axios is reporting Trump will also request nearly $50 billion for nuclear weapons programs. Experts and Democratic lawmakers warn that increasing the nuclear stockpile will increase the likelihood of nuclear war and defy international agreements. [view link] SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    4 years ago
    Andy Yang, New Hampshire Town Hall, 45min, a very effective campaigner, most interesting! [view link] The Squad, One Hour! “Our Very Existence Is the Resistance”: An Hour w/ AOC, Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib & Ilhan Omar [view link] George McGovern was a visionary for his time. [view link] President Trump is set to unveil his 2021 budget request today. The $4.8 trillion budget would increase military spending while cutting Medicare and Medicaid, seeks $2 billion for construction of Trump’s border wall and slashes EPA spending by 26%. Axios is reporting Trump will also request nearly $50 billion for nuclear weapons programs. Experts and Democratic lawmakers warn that increasing the nuclear stockpile will increase the likelihood of nuclear war and defy international agreements. [view link] SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    4 years ago
    Andrew Yang, one of the most intelligent and interesting people we have ever had in politics. I am sure we will be seeing more of him. [view link] [view link] SJG Rev. 2.0 Investigations, call going out TODAY! Chuck Schumer Calls for Investigation into Trump’s Retaliation-Motivated Firings Roger Stone backlash: Democrats demand Barr resign, call for investigation, hearings [view link] " Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer is calling on all 74 federal inspectors general to investigate retaliation-based firings of whistleblowers or witnesses who report presidential misconduct. Two days after his impeachment acquittal last week, Trump fired two key figures from the House’s impeachment proceedings: the National Security Council’s Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Vindman and U.S. Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland. " [view link] [view link] TJ Street [view link] [view link] [view link] Robin Trower - For Earth Below (1975) [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
    4 years ago
    Andrew Yang Will Support A Candidate Backing A Basic Income | Morning Joe | MSNBC [view link] SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    4 years ago
    44% of all people in the work force are earning a median salary of $18k per year, from Brooking Institute. Are Americans Ready To Embrace Socialism? (w/ Richard Wolff ) [view link] [view link] SJG Think of the muscle control they must have to make this work hands off: [view link] TJ Street [view link] Steve Winwood and Eric Clapton - Dear Mr. Fantasy (HQ)(Crossroads Guitar Festival 2010) [view link] Little Wing [view link] Blues in 'A' [view link]
  • Mate27
    4 years ago
    ^^ wrong! The 44% you quote doesn’t account for the gig economy which has expanded much more dramatically over the last 10 years with the advance of information technology. People can circumvent normal payroll reporting that you’d find with employer based income. Maury Povich said his results are in, and that statement of 44% too was found to be a lie! Fake news!
  • san_jose_guy
    4 years ago
    The Gig Economy means make us into a third world nation, Uber Drivers and Shoe Shine Boys. SJG
  • Mate27
    4 years ago
    Yeah but it gives opportunities for your immigrants and marginalized people whom you try to drum up to vote radical left? So which is it, do you support the underprivileged and the poor immigrants or not, because you can’t have it both ways? If you support them then you’d support the gig economy!
  • san_jose_guy
    4 years ago
    People who need to gig or want to gig, do it. But don't count gigging as the kind of jobs our society should be providing. Don't cover a ROTTEN ECONOMIC SYSTEM's failings by talking about gigging. SJG
  • Mate27
    4 years ago
    ^^Twisting and spinning my truth into telling people it’s wrong? Your sick!
  • san_jose_guy
    4 years ago
    Our economic system is sick. SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    4 years ago
    Richard Wolff Debunks the Myth of Low Unemployment [view link] Donald Trump and the Politics of Decline: Doug Henwood [view link] Bernie Sanders Explains Why Low Unemployment Doesn't Mean Americans Are Better Off - Breaking News [view link] Black Panthers: Portraits From An Unfinished Revolution [view link] Has Trump Taken Down Our Democratic Republic? [view link] Trump Goes After Mayor Pete For Kissing Husband [view link] Does Increasing The Minimum Wage Increase [view link] Have Billionaires Bought Our Democracy? A very good account of our economic situation and trajectory! [view link] Bolton Speaks Out And Calls Grow For Trump's AG Barr To Resign [view link] The real story of Rudy Giuliani’s mission for Trump in Ukraine [view link] PBS News Hour 2/18/2020 [view link] Feds Intensify Giuliani Probe As Barr’s DOJ Accepts Ukraine Dirt From Giuliani | MSNBC [view link] SJG ELP 1997 [view link] TJ Street [view link] [view link] [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
    4 years ago
    Medicare for All would save $450 Billion and 70,000 lives per year! [view link] That much money could by 22 new Ford Class Carriers and their Aircraft. And there would still be the money left over to give Skibum, Meat, and some others, the Frontal Lobotomies which they need. SJG TJ Street [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
    4 years ago
    AOC reads Green New Deal into House Record, 14 pages. [view link] I don't think the Green New Deal includes UBI, but it should set the stage for it. I also think there should be more talk about Transit Villages, that is Public Housing Towers, on the main rail public transit, with all services on the lower floors. Intended to promote car free living, and to prevent rent inflation. Anyone can live there or use the lower floor services. Say cost is fixed at 1/2 of UBI. But build at least some of these before starting UBI. Good jobs in building and operating, long term jobs. Keep building them at a reasonable rate into perpetuity. Green New Deal full text, 14 pages [view link] [view link] SJG Daniel Castro - I'll Play The Blues For You [view link] Slow Blues/ Blues Ballads 1 - A two hour long compilation [view link] TJ Street [view link] [view link] Old thread, valuable info, closed: OT: Programmable Logic Devices [view link]
  • Mate27
    4 years ago
    Lol!
  • RamPaige
    4 years ago
    UBI? I always liked that Andrew Yang fella.
  • Mate27
    4 years ago
    We’re starting to see the results of a modified UBI (2020 stimulus package) in that people are incentivized to stay home and not participate in the economy. If I could sit in my ass and have my needs met, I will work way less and try to find income under the table to escape as little capital back to the government. This is essentially a form of wealth distribution because the income earners will be taxed highly.
  • IceyLoco
    4 years ago
    The current crisis is proving the need for a ubi
  • san_jose_guy
    3 years ago
    ^^^^^^ Suppressing discussion of UBI is the reason that the National Leadership of the Democratic Party is fomenting the COVID Hysteria Richard Wolff Interview: How Do We Organize the Working Class? [view link] Ask Prof Wolff: Lessons for the Left from the 20th Century [view link] SJG
  • skibum609
    3 years ago
    UBI is the fiscal version of an UTI. UBI lets cruddy, useless fucks consume energy and cause climate emergencies.
  • san_jose_guy
    3 years ago
    Wrong, the present Squirrel Cage Economy is what underwrites useless fucks like Skibum. SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    3 years ago
    In the first 1992 Democratic Primary Debate the interviewer asked about the end of the cold war. Paul Tsongas said that yes the Cold War is over, "Germany and Japan won." Bill Clinton really went after that and said that the US won. But the issue of course was the high military expenditure the US had made, and maybe the neglect of civilian industries. SJG
  • skibum609
    3 years ago
    SJG having a breakdown when confronted with the truth that everything he believes in is what makes him and every progressive on earth losers ....
  • san_jose_guy
    3 years ago
    We don't need Paycheck Protection Acts, or Stimulus Payouts, and not really Eviction Moratoriums either. We don't need to try and restart the Squirrel Cage Economy. What we need is 1. Medicare for all with medical debt forgiveness 2. Free College, with college debt forgiveness 3. Vast Public Housing Offering 4. UBI The money which was printed for Paycheck Protection and Stimulus was wasted, all now in the hands of landlords and mortgage lenders. To get it back we need a Wealth Tax. Talking about 2% per year on everything over the first $50 Meg. Then, we have enough to do all of the above 4 items. Only need high income tax increase to get back that which fattens the fat. The COVID Hysteria is to suppress calls for such a Universal Basic Needs Economic System. SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    3 years ago
    My favorite taco truck today had a sign posted, due to the national coin shortage, they want exact change or they will have to round up to the next dollar. I have no idea what is causing this, but it looks like our economy is going into total chaos. What we need is 1. UBI, 2. Strong public housing offering, 3. Medicare for all, 4. Free college. These will make our economy work. And the net cost to the government is zero. You only have to raise taxes to the extent that the money is siphoning upwards, fattening the fat. And usually the fat are such because they have somehow been able to install themselves into our cash flows so that money accrues to them. SJG [view link]
  • Mate27
    3 years ago
    ^^ you’ve been saying since you joined this site that the economy is collapsing! How long are you going to keep saying the sky is falling? And why are you the only one who comments on your own thread? It must get lonely talking to yourself all day long.
  • san_jose_guy
    3 years ago
    I've said for the last 3 months that our currency is collapsing. It is also true that since the 1870's our economic system is broken. SJG look at the models used for the various colors [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
    3 years ago
    Our "Ruling Class" Is Getting Worse w/Doug Henwood [view link] SJG Charmain Sinclair [view link] [view link] [view link] [view link]
  • SJGTHREATENSWOMEN
    3 years ago
    ESS JAY GEE
  • san_jose_guy
    3 years ago
    Going through the news yesterday I ran across this Rep Chip Roy, speaking before the US House. He represents TX 21 district, which looks to be just North of San Antonio, and maybe including some of Austin. These districts are extremely gerrymandered. [view link] Roy was going on and on saying, "There is no free lunch." He was campaigning against the Build Back Better. The guy is an idiot, but he is also very malicious. He thinks lower income Americans are people who need to be lectured to, who have values that are suspect. He fails to illuminate the truth, that no one is getting something for nothing like the rich are. They have got tap roots going deep into our economy and so that a big slice of the money which circulates accrues to them. These are the people getting a free lunch. And the very worst are the people who are promoting this system, bringing more money into it, the financializers. Having paid employment for people wastes resources, it costs us far more than Universal Basic Income and a Strong Public Housing Offering would. But some insist on enforcing paid employment, the work ethic, because they see working people as immoral and as needing to be regulated. This idiocy is destroying our country. We moved into gross labor excess in the 1870's. This was when our attitudes needed to change. But no, Spanish American War, Two World Wars, Korea, Vietnam, Two Persian Gulf Wars, and Afghanistan were used to soak up excess labor an personnel. Its like Buck Minster Fuller said, "We have the industrial technology to take care of every single person better than even royalty had lived in past centuries. The only reason what we don't see this is that we expect everyone to prove that they can 'earn a living'." SJG extreme heels [view link]
  • JimGassagain
    3 years ago
    We already have forms of UBI, and usually it’s the less inclined who use it with EIB, AHCSS, section 8 housing, and other handouts. I’m sorry if those are going through a tough patch in their life, but we needn’t incentivize them to make it become a lifestyle.
  • skibum609
    3 years ago
    Idle hands are the devil's workshop. All this does is encourage people to be criminals or useless government drones. Pay your own way scrum.
  • san_jose_guy
    3 years ago
    UBI has no means test. So everyone gets it. Social Security is the most popular of government programs because it has never had any means test. Means tested programs only make the needy into targets. And skibum609 I fully support political activism for the poor. And I mean the kind developed by the Irish Republican Army. SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    2 years ago
    “The Lords of Easy Money”: How the Federal Reserve Enriched Wall Street & Broke the U.S. Economy [view link] The Lords of Easy Money: How the Federal Reserve Broke the American Economy Hardcover – January 11, 2022 by Christopher Leonard [view link] SJG Stanley Clarke [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
    2 years ago
    Why The U.S. Is Running Out Of Everything (Rubber, three days ago) [view link] SJG Youtube Premiere today Queen + Paul Rodgers: Live In Ukraine 2008. YouTube Special. Raising funds for Ukraine Relief. [view link] X Portland [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
    2 years ago
    We Need Student Debt Cancellation: Astra Taylor Responds to Biden Extending Payment Moratorium [view link] SJG Girl In An Evening Suit [view link] I like it. I like the braless looks. And here, it will be very easy to undress her while she is still standing up. Maggie May w/ his Mandolin and Violin player [view link]
  • datinman
    2 years ago
    "We Need Student Debt Cancellation:" Nope, not fair to the hundred of thousands that worked hard, lived below their means, and paid off their debt. What is needed is the ability to secure loans linked to the default rate of the program. Go for a STEM program where you can reasonably be expected to earn enough to service the loan, you get funded. Chose some esoteric program with poor employment opportunities and you're on your own for tuition. Problem solved.
  • san_jose_guy
    2 years ago
    Never should have made those loans in the first place or subjected people to that kind of predatory lending. And people are not wrong in their choices of college majors and it is no one's business to try and tell them so. More people we can get into college the better, keeps them out of the full time labor market. SJG
  • datinman
    2 years ago
    "More people we can get into college the better, keeps them out of the full time labor market. " There would be no colleges without thousands in the "full time labor market". Admin, teachers, janitors, grounds-keepers. Hey, should all the SJPL employees lock the doors and go home?
  • san_jose_guy
    2 years ago
    I don't know what you are saying. Enlarging colleges creates more jobs, good jobs. We want that. There is no STEM shortage [view link] Trying to create STEM jobs way above and beyond market demand costs our society dearly in terms of tax policy and deficit. SJG
  • datinman
    2 years ago
    That's my point, we want people in the full time labor market. Why would "keeps them out of the full time labor market" be a desired goal?
  • san_jose_guy
    2 years ago
    But we have gross excess productive capacity in every single sector. We have had this since the 1870's, and this is what creates the busts, like the Great Depression and since. It also creates major wars. Words to the effect. " We have the capacity to take care of every single person better than even royalty lived in past centuries. The only reason we don't see this is that we demand that every person prove that they can earn a living." The labor force which goes way beyond market demands costs our entire society dearly. R. Buckminster Fuller SJG Maggie May, original [view link]
  • Icee Loco (asshole)
    2 years ago
    It'd going to come down to class warfare. Businesses want to maximize profits using skeleton crews and the government serves businesses not yhe people. Even Americans can only take so much.
  • san_jose_guy
    2 years ago
    But this is what Reagan and the Supply Siders set up. SJG X [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
    2 years ago
    datinman, STEM programs are how people who have real potential get sold short and tracked into employment situations controlled by Frat Boys, Surfer Dudes, and Strivers. And then they get chiseled out of the serious money too. People need far more breadth and depth in their educations. As far as how much is conventional schooling with lectures, assignments, and exams, that would very. Most people eventually grow tired of that and want to run their own educations. But most people do benefit from some of it. The more people who can get into lifelong education the better and there is no better use of public funds. SJG Ginger Baker's Air Force - 12 Gates of the City (1970) [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
    2 years ago
    STEM program science is not really science. It is Striver Science. Its for people who don't really want to understand or ever use what they are learning, its for people who want approval and to be part of the herd. You don't find well off people going into Striver Science, you find people who don't know what they are doing going into it, probably the fist person in their families to go to college. And then these people end up a beauacrats. SJG
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