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san_jose_guy

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New American Standard, someone has told me that it is the closest to the Hebrew and Greek. ??

Yes, this speaks well of it. en.wikipedia.org

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New Jerusalem, there was supposed to be a third version coming: en.wikipedia.org

Full text online web.archive.org web.archive.org

catholic.org Not seeing any mention of this third version.

Okay here it is, Revised New Jerusalem Bible, part released in English now, full expected in 2019 en.wikipedia.org

Part of my reason for starting this thread gets back to a discussion some years ago where I denounced the New International Bible, but then I read some of a newer edition and posted stuff to lighten up on it.

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And yes, here they say, balance of word for word and thought for thought. It is designed by the Evangelicals to make it sound more literal and more prescriptive, so that it can be used to manipulate people.

So again I am angered by the NIV Bible.

Marcus Borg, Heart of Christianity. Borg comes on at the and of part II youtube.com

Collegeville Bible Commentary, now 2009. I think this comes from that Catholic and Anglican Benedictine Community, Collegeville Minnesota, same people who have made that St. John's Bible, caligraphy.

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looks to be like I have said litpress.org

And yes, this does use Revised New American Bible, copywrite dates running from 2010 back to 1970. The useful form is the little books. About 50/50 Bible versus commentary. 37 such little books.

Yes, here, for example, Numbers litpress.org

You shouldn't have to buy these yourself, its for libraries, like the one's my org will build.

These little books are quite usefull.

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san_jose_guy7 years ago

Here, this is a good example, and you can click on SEE SAMPLE

Very practical little books, 37 of them.

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san_jose_guy7 years ago

litpress.org

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san_jose_guy7 years ago

PaulDrake, just consider how many great threads and posts you could be making, with merely the characters used up in your text bombs.

Marcus Borg, Heart of Christianity, New Paradigm. Borg is in debate with an evangelical. Borg really gets going here in segment 3.

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steeldog657 years ago

I prefer better historical fiction such as novels by Bernard Cornwell.

san_jose_guy7 years ago

The temple sleep of the rich young ruler : how Lazarus became the evangelist John / Edward Reaugh Smith 2011.

This is an esoteric book, author close to Rudolph Steiner's Anthroposophical Society

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The Way of Jesus: To Repair and Renew the World. by Bruce Chilton, Episcopalian Rector and Theologian, with strong support for esoteric and gnostic thinking. amazon.com

The Way of the Gnostic Jesus: Aeon Byte Gnostic Radio youtube.com

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san_jose_guy7 years ago

Bruce Chilton 4 Futures of Christianity and its role of Rabbi Jesus

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Chilton and his books are interesting.

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More Bruce Chilton

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san_jose_guy7 years ago

Pentecostal - Evangelicals have in effect stolen the Bible. Need to take it back.

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san_jose_guy7 years ago

So, feeding Christians to lions is not always the best way.

Sometimes you need to feed Christians to Christians.

Marcus Borg, John Dominic Crossan, John Shelby Spong, and Bruce Chilton, are all trying to rescue Christianity from Christian Identification and the Evangelical Movement.

Chilton has written the "Christians", first used at Antioch, amounts to "Christ Groupies".

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PaulDrake7 years ago

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san_jose_guy7 years ago

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san_jose_guy7 years ago

Bruce Chilton, in my view, trying to fight off the fakkacy which is the Evangelical Movement. Some times one has to feed Christians to Christians.

Long playlist

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san_jose_guy7 years ago

Bruce Chilton at Bard College, on History and Future of Christianity

"Scripture is held be the first fundamental to be infallible or inerrant, but that doesn't mean that everything can be taken at face value." youtu.be

"...towards the end of the 19th Century we see the emergence of Fundamentalism"

" The Bible in inerrant"

This is not at all how Christians had historically been expected to think.

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"Scripture is held be the first fundamental to be infallible or inerrant, but that doesn't mean that everything can be taken at face value." youtu.be

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san_jose_guy7 years ago

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san_jose_guy7 years ago

Alan W. Jones, former Dean of Grace Cathedral, San Francisco, wrote many books

Reimagining Christianity : reconnect your spirit without disconnecting your mind / Alan Jones (2005)

The soul's journey : exploring the three passages of the spiritual life with Dante as a guide / Alan Jones. (1995)

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san_jose_guy7 years ago

In hand now:

The Way Of Jesus, by Bruce Chilton (2010)

You can't always deal with Christians by feeding them to my lions. Sometimes you have to feed Christians to Christians.

Chilton sees John the Baptist, Jesus, and their followers as practicing a kind of Markab Mysticism. Other than scripture we do not know what other texts they might have had. Chilton also works with the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Nag Hammadi Texts, and the curious role of Mary Magdalene. He seeks a fusion between Orthodoxy and Gnosticism.

Though he does not say this, he is the I Am A Christian Movement's worst nightmare come true.

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If more people could read and understand Bruce Chilton, then Rick Warren and those like him would be history.

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san_jose_guy7 years ago

The Way Of Jesus, by Bruce Chilton (2010) book is extremely good.

amazon.com

first 4 of this playlist: youtube.com

Chilton is so diametrically different from the I AM A CHRISTIAN MOVEMENT which has infected our nation, preyed upon the most vulnerable, built mega churches and television empires, and has infected most all denominational churches too.

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san_jose_guy7 years ago

In some of his talks and other writings Chilton makes use of Nag Hammadi and other apocryphal texts.

He makes much of the book of Enoch. en.wikipedia.org

And there is also Pistis Sophia en.wikipedia.org

In his above book though Chilton does not talk much about Nag Hammadi. In has last reference not though he cites a number of the manuscripts.

The Prayer of the Apostle Paul The Gospel According to Mary The Sophia of Jesus Christ The Dialog of the Savior The Thunder, Perfect Mind The Paraphrase of Shem The Second Treatise of the Great Seth The Teachings of Silvanus

and these are the James Robinson 1978 translations.

In his 3rd chapter, entitled "Kingdom", Chilton draws from Psalms 96, 145, 10, 24, 47, and also Isaiah 11, and some more.

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san_jose_guy7 years ago

So we have a masterful Bruce Chilton continuing to explore The Kingdom, drawing upon Zecharia 8, and the Transfiguration in all three synoptics, and showing it as a kind of Merkaba Mysticism, and happening because of the shared meditation experiences of Jesus and his Disciples. Here it is Peter, John, and James. And it will be feasting instead of fasting from now on, as Zecharia

And never in Chilton is there anything which endorses the I AM A CHRISTIAN MOVEMENT.

In fact he is fusing Orthodoxy with Gnosticism and Kabbala Mysticism.

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san_jose_guy7 years ago

The Way Of Jesus, by Bruce Chilton (2010) book is extremely good.

So here he writes, page 131, "Jesus was not interested in politely trying to ignore wrong actions: he wanted to confront wrong and to free people from the harm that wrong can do."

I say that forgiveness is one of the most vicious and abused ideas in the New Testament.

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san_jose_guy7 years ago

So do I want to ready any more Bruce Chilton books at this time? He has written lots of interesting books. But at this time I say no.

John Dominic Crossan

amazon.com

Lots of stuff, but at this time I still say no.

John Shelby Spong amazon.com

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In some ways Spong is the most radical, but at this time I still say no.

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Matthew Fox is out there, but I still say no.

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san_jose_guy7 years ago

So finishing up with Bruce Chilton. He says that Revelations has always been the most controversial book in the Bible. He feels that it was written by someone other than the author of John's Gospel and Epistles.

Chilton makes much of the 1895 discovered Gospel of Mary (Magdalene). It increases the importance of her role, visiting the male disciples and making them come out of hiding. But she gives a huge speech to them at the end, but it has been excised.

Chilton talks about something else which he goes into in his earlier book, Rabbi Jesus.

Nazareth was a poor place, they did not even have currency.

Where as at Capernum, by the shore of Lake Galilee, there lots of wealthy people. They had an export economy based on salted fish. So there were rich Jews who controlled fishing boat fleets and lots more. They had big homes, and with fancy banquet halls. They sought to impress Romans and people of the Greek speaking world. And Herod was building Greek cities, to impress the Romans. And there was lots of bribery.

So while Capernum was a far cry from Jerusalem, Jesus was still set off by it. This is why all of his talk about money is so harsh.

See, in Nazareth, they may have bartered with neighboring towns. But in their own town, goods were not distributed in a market place. It was more just based on your good status.

So in such sharing economies there will most always be huge surpluses, which can take car of neighboring poor and travelers. When people are not consuming to impress others and raking in the surplus value, there is most always an over abundance.

So inserting my own interpretation, it gets to be like by each according to his ability to each according to their need. People work hard and consume little, to gain respect.

So Jesus wanted the Kingdom to manifest, and it was to be more like the sharing economy of Nazareth, rather than like the rich getting richer economy of Capernum.

And so Jesus did not visit these Greek trading cities in that area. It was mostly the poor places like Nazareth.

So I am planning on letting some threads die off and close, unless someone else has something to add. For myself, I have run out of things to say.

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This song in my head last night. It must be in the Key of D.

Most everyone can hear relative pitch. But very few can hear absolute pitch. The reason every key sounds different is because the percussion tuning is not changed. Musicians deny that percussion is tuned to any specific pitch, saying that rather it is just tuned until it sounds right. But that is silly, because that is exactly how a violin is played, by making it sound right. Tympani tunes with a crank handle, and it has a gauge right on it. So the kick drum is tuned to A of the 16ft octave, the same as the second to lowest string of a four string bass, 55 hz. All the drums are tuned.

These kind of songs are always in D. I think it has something to do with that A note, the dominant.

So to really know you almost have to play along with it. The D scale has F and C sharped. But it can be done with accidentals too. And some music revolves around other notes than the tonic. Some is Mixolyidian and so it revolves around the dominant and has the 7th ( C# ) flatted. Lots of ways. In the end it is just listening to it and trying to play along which will resolve this.

This ends on the D major triad and the chorus versus end on the D major triad. Usually that is the final determinant of what key it is in.

Alternate guitar tuning is being used, one suggestive of D.

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san_jose_guy7 years ago

Need to be prepared to fight Christians, so Spong is giving me some ways.

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san_jose_guy7 years ago

Another Spong book, maybe a little less known, but I think very much speaking to my own views and my alarm about the Evangelicals

Eternal life : a new vision : beyond religion, beyond theism, beyond heaven and hell / John Shelby Spong (2009)

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san_jose_guy7 years ago

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san_jose_guy7 years ago

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san_jose_guy7 years ago

Using the Bible as a book of prescriptions denies most of its value, most all of its value. Its just abuse, its how people abuse their children.

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san_jose_guy7 years ago

In hand now:

John Shelby Spong

Unbelievable (2018)

amazon.com

As Spong has since suffered from a stroke, this will likely be his last book.

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san_jose_guy7 years ago

In hand now: John Shelby Spong Unbelievable (2018)

In 1976, he was elected Bishop of Newark NJ.

" I learned first, that a bishop exercises little leadership over local congregations. His or her influence is guided mostly by example over a long period of time. Most local congregations dance to the tune of their established membership, and in most cases the personal security of that membership is bound up with what they might call the "faith of our fathers." . . . I also learned that most clergy are either unable or unwilling to engage the great theological issues of the day because their perception that to do so will "disturb the faith and beliefs" of their people. "

So he also says, page 12,

" There clearly have been changes of dramatic proportions in people's attitudes toward religion. This is not just a phase or a passing phenomenon. If nothing is done to address this crisis, the ultimate result seems to be clear. Christianity appears to be destined to take its place along with the other religions and deities of human history that have died. The God of Christianity will be in a long line that has included Baal, Chemosh, Marduk, the gods of Olympus and the deities of the mystery cluts. Each is now a lost chapter in the human pursuit of a spiritual dimension. At the same time, if Christianity is to survive it must undergo so radical a transformation that people may well see no continuity between the Christianity of yesterday and the Christianity of tomorrow. "

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san_jose_guy7 years ago

so progressing through

John Shelby Spong Unbelievable (2018)

Must consider what related books of his and others do I want to read at this time?

Marcus Borg, think I will pass at this time.

John Dominic Crossan

looks really interesting, Nag Hammadi Four other gospels : shadows on the contours of canon / by John Dominic Crossan

amazon.com

Skip Crossan for now.

Bruce Chilton:

The ethics of family life : what do we owe one another? / edited by Jacob Neusner ; with essays by Bruce Chilton ... [et al.]. (2001)

Looks extremely interesting ^^^^^^ Skip for now.

And of course Mary Magdalene : a biography / Bruce Chilton. (2005)

But still, skip Chilton for now.

So that brings us back to Spong. Many books, for now consider

Jesus for the non-religious : recovering the divine at the heart of the human / John Shelby Spong. (2007)

Instead consider Why Christianity must change or die : a bishop speaks to believers in exile : a new reformation of the Church's faith and practice / John Shelby Spong. (1998)

or A new Christianity for a new world : why traditional faith is dying and how a new faith is being born / John Shelby Spong. (2001)

or rather I say for now:

Eternal life : a new vision : beyond religion, beyond theism, beyond heaven and hell / John Shelby Spong. (2009 local)

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san_jose_guy7 years ago

So finished with:

John Shelby Spong Unbelievable (2018)

Will have soon: Eternal life : a new vision : beyond religion, beyond theism, beyond heaven and hell / John Shelby Spong. (2009)

Spong is interesting, he cuts most of the claims to authoritarianism out of Christianity. But being one of those who gave the Sunday Sermons, he is not totally against Christianity, just against Popular Christianity.

Spong was part of the Jesus Seminar en.wikipedia.org

Bruce Chilton says that the portrait which resulted from that Seminar, is sterile.

His Rabbi Jesus is to be the antidote to this, heavily based on the Aramaic Targums and on Merkaba Mysticism.

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The cathedral of the world : a universalist theology / Forrest Church. (2009)

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san_jose_guy7 years ago

So how publishes the New American Bible, except for Catholic Book Publishing Company and their St. Joseph Editions?

Ignatius Press.

Saint Benedict Press.

Fireside Catholic

and Oxford University Press

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san_jose_guy7 years ago

In hand now, Eternal Life: A New Vision, by John Shelby Spong

amazon.com

SJG

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san_jose_guy7 years ago

This is not bad:

firesidebibles.com

Still has the Presentation Page, but at least it does not have the Family Records Section.

Saint Benedict Press, started in 2006 to compete with TAN en.wikipedia.org

en.wikipedia.org

Yes, better to boycott St. Benedict Press

Ignatius Press catholiccompany.com

started in 1978 in San Francisco by a Jesuit who was a former pupil of the one who would be Benedict 16th.

Better to also boycott.

OUP

global.oup.com

founded 1586.

Fireside Bible firesidebibles.com

it is this, family owned and in Wichita Kansas, publishing New American Bible since the first version was released, 1970. en.wikipedia.org.

Oxford

THis is nice, NRSV w/ Apocrypha.

Usually these are quite light on comments too.

global.oup.com

but it has "Ninety-six page, select NRSV Concordance"

Now here, they have NAB-RE global.oup.com

" The NABRE Large Print Edition is a convenient, large font version of Oxford's popular Catholic Bible. This handsome edition, which comes in a protective slipcase, is bound in tan/blue Pacific Duvelle®--a sturdy, flexible, and attractive synthetic binding. Durable binding, readable type, and affordable value make this a perfect edition for anyone needing a large print version of the NABRE, whether for public reading or personal devotions. Also available in black genuine leather and paperback.

The New American Bible Revised Edition:

The New American Bible Revised Edition (NABRE) brings to culmination the work of nearly 100 scholars, including translators, editors, and a subcommittee of Catholic bishops who provided extensive review of the biblical text over a period of many years. The NABRE is the first major amendment to the New American Bible translation since 1991. It features:

*The first update of the Old Testament since 1970, taking into account recent archaeological and textual discoveries. *Complete revision of the Psalter. "

$55. does not mention family records section or presentation page.

Leather binding.

Compact version, with zipper global.oup.com

yes, but i have seen this, it is real small.

$33

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Looks like they mostly have the Catholic Book Publishing Company editions.

here, oxford NRSV w/ Apochrpha, hard cover amazon.com

amazon.com

okay, this should be the leather bound large format one i was looking at on the Oxford site, now a few dollars cheaper. Should be no family records section, no presentation page, but with the notes and cross references which are licensed with the NAB, and with most of the apocrypha as is standard for a Catholic Bible.

amazon.com

BUt, since Amazon is not a bricks and mortar retail store, no way to verify.

here is what I was looking at, paper back. barnesandnoble.com

Here is the same thing leather bound hardcover, $60 barnesandnoble.com

Don't seem to have a medium format as Catholic Book Publishing does.

but the also have this

barnesandnoble.com

this is $90, black leather. I guess the picture shows the cover box. barnesandnoble.com

Collegeville Bible Commentary, I have found to be real neat. amazon.com

Can be individual books or one or two giant books. But do they sell a set of the small books, not seeing it. To me the small books are the whole point of it. The giant books about double the size of a bible, not good.

Download and for free? newbooksinpolitics.com

here is the publisher litpress.org

okay, the little books are $7 each. 37 of them. But here, a full set of them

litpress.org

$289

" Comprehensive and understandable, the New Collegeville Bible Commentary brings expert insight into the Old and New Testament to Bible study participants, teachers, students, preachers, and all readers of the Bible. Filled with fresh scholarship, the series provides vital background that helps bring the text alive.

The complete Old and New Testament set includes the complete text of each Old and New Testament book, with the commentary on the same or facing page. Review aids and discussion topics make the series eminently practical and useful for individual or group Bible study. Books are paperback, 6 x 9, and contain from 104 to 160 pages.

Thirty-seven volumes are included in the complete set. "

the small one barnesandnoble.com

Going back to the Oxford Catholic Study Bible, they have editor names on it which I have seen before: Donald Senior (Editor), Carroll Stuhlmueller (Editor)

Yes, I can find stuff that way. Only $52 for the hard cover version amazon.com

but that is not the new version with the new translation, but they have this:

amazon.com

actually, now with that author name, I see that there are versions which could be borrowed from libraries.

The Catholic study Bible : the New American Bible, revised edition / Donald Senior, John J. Collins, Mary Ann Getty, editors. (2016)

SJG

san_jose_guy7 years ago

So finishing up with John Shelby Spong's "Eternal LIfe: A New Vision" 2009

page 190ff

" My world, my life and my religion were all products of that history. My small family was deeply unstable, marked by alcoholism, lack of education, early death and poverty. Religion that focuses on security thrives in such a setting. I knew no one in my upbringing who was not religious; indeed, I knew no one until I was well into my school years who was not both evangelical and Protestant. "

SJG

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san_jose_guy7 years ago

p205ff

" The time has come to state my conclusions clearly. The attempt to place the issue of eternal life into a new context has been accomplished. I have walked through religion as teh arena in which the human family has long sought answeres. I have dismissed religion's two primary premises: first, that God is other, a supernatural being who can do for me that whichI cannot do for myself, a formulation that has necessitated my gaining God's favor; and second, that self-conscious human life is alienated from the supernatural being and that overcoming this alienation with some form of atonement is necessary. In these two premises we, both as individuals and as a species, invested our hope that life had ultimate meaing, clear purpose and the possiblity of eternity. These premises, however, could not be sustained as our knowledge expanded. The alternatives for human life were stark. We could refuse to admit that the premises underlying religious systems were fatally flawed and live in denial. That pathway is always present in the world of religion. Failing that, we could acknowledge that religion has always been delusional, more about a search for secuity than a search for truth, and thus be willing to give it up, face the consequences and deal with the fact that we are no more than accidental creatures in the an accidental universe. We then must enter the religionless world of a new humanity. That is when we are forced to conclude that purpose is what we give to life, meaning is what we invest in life and the hpe of something beyond the grave is only the pious dream of the childhood of our humanity. Many regard these working hypotheses as the only real alternative to the mindless, irrational denials contained in fundamentalism.

I have south to sketch out a new possibility. . . . " (to know more you'll have to read the book for yourself)

SJG

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san_jose_guy7 years ago

So plan to get:

Kingdom coming : the rise of Christian nationalism / Michelle Goldberg. (2007) The means of reproduction : sex, power, and the future of the world / Michelle Goldberg. (2010)

God and other famous liberals : reclaiming the politics of America / F. Forrester Church. (1991) A chosen faith : an introduction to Unitarian Universalism / John A. Buehrens and Forrest Church

Then I should finally be done with all of these sorts of books, able to take the actions I need to.

SJG

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san_jose_guy7 years ago

So these kinds of books are not really what I want to be reading.

Kingdom coming : the rise of Christian nationalism / Michelle Goldberg. (2007) The means of reproduction : sex, power, and the future of the world / Michelle Goldberg. (2010)

God and other famous liberals : reclaiming the politics of America / F. Forrester Church. (1991) ( do this one next ) A chosen faith : an introduction to Unitarian Universalism / John A. Buehrens and Forrest Church

But I still do need to read them as I have to complete a political project, and actually, I need to designate a few more on top of the above.

So I also add:

Need to get back to: Eternal life : a new vision : beyond religion, beyond theism, beyond heaven and hell / John Shelby Spong (2009)

and also get: Re-claiming the Bible for a non-religious world / John Shelby Spong (2013)

and: The American creed : a spiritual and patriotic primer / Forrest Church (2002 caution)

SJG

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san_jose_guy7 years ago

So considering only Catholic Book Publishing Company ( CBPC ) and Oxford University Press ( Oxford ).

And for now only looking at the New American Bible RE:

Those from CBPC all have that family records section, except maybe for the very smallest paper back one.

From Oxford, they do not have a medium size. They have a very small one, in a zippered leather case, and it has that family records section. But it does not say, Study Bible.

CBPC has an old fashioned large on, very hard covers, like Catholic bibles used to be. Not flexible at all.

Like their new style large ones otherwise. But zero color pages. Still has that family records secion, goes up to 6 children and grandparents and all of the spouses.

But cheap, under $20, less than 1/2 the cost of their other large ones. Page edges red, not gold. Like they used to be decades ago.

Okay, so I handled a large size paper back Oxford Catholic Study Bible, NAB-RE. It has their 100+ page intro, but no family records section or stuff about Rosary or Stations of the Cross.

Just like this, no box. amazon.com

So how about the leather version?

This is what they show for hardcover. Does not sound like leather.

ISBN 9780190267230

What can be borrowed from a library is the paper back edition.

So best then to look at Barnes and Nobels to learn more.

SJG

san_jose_guy7 years ago

Yes, they have like this, they say black leather. But the picture does not match and it is not the new 'RE' Other stuff they have, does not seem to be the hard cover or leather cover. I think there is a shortage of such bibles now, Christmas and the new 'RE'.

SJG

san_jose_guy7 years ago

Will have fairly soon:

Isaiah: Volume 13 (New Collegeville Bible Commentary: Old Testament) (2012 update to follow New American Bible RE) amazon.com

These little books are real good, and now updated. About 50% bible and 50% commentary. And 2nd Isaiah is the diametric opposite of what the I AM A CHRISTIAN MOVEMENT uses to keep the money coming in. Should be able to get most of they way through it by Christmas, and the Prophetic Division is so important to Western thinking.

SJG

san_jose_guy7 years ago

So ATACdawg, you have talked about your church.

If you don't mind my asking, what Bible translation do they prefer to use?

I am hoping to hear that it is NRSV.

Do they supply pews copies? Use Revised Common Lectionary? Do they also use the Apocrypha? What publishers are supplying these Bibles?

SJG

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ATACdawg7 years ago

We go use the NSRV, without the Apochrapha, although we often study those books: even though we, and to my knowledge, very few Protestant denominations, do not view them as part of the can on.

Use of the lectionary is optional. Our particular congregation does indeed use it and the entire service, including hymns, readings, children's time and sermon all reflect at least one of the three passages.

There are at least three, and sometimes four NSRV Bibles placed in each pew. Our church, founded in 1772, has doored pews. The inner section of each pew

ATACdawg7 years ago

Accommodates six or seven worshipers while the outer section will hold five - hence the difference in the number of Bibles in each section. The pews are doored because originally, each family brought their own supply of hot coals to warm their pew.

Apochrypha

ATACdawg7 years ago

Arggh! Fat fingers. NRSV

san_jose_guy7 years ago

Yes, I do understand that Protestant denominations usually don't take the Apocrypha as canonical.

So in your conference, using Revised Common Lectionary is optional. Is using NRSV fairly standard?

So who publishes your pews copies? Who publishes NRSV? I am only aware of Oxford U Press and of the Harper Collins Study Bible.

Since we are talking about your church, it made some changes to central documents a few years back and there was a secession. I believe they lost around 300 churches to a newly formed Evangelical conference. I gather that your church did not do this. Was there discussion about this? Do you have any feelings about it?

Thanks, SJG

san_jose_guy7 years ago

So enough about the NAB-RE bible, now about who publishes NRSV Bibles?

So here is one I did not know about, Abingdon Press, black leather. amazon.com

NRSV Wesley Study Bible - Charcoal Bonded Leather: New Revised Standard Version ($54) barnesandnoble.com

Wesley? Abingdon?

en.wikipedia.org

Okay, this is the publishing arm of the United Methodists, would prefer not to be promoting them. en.wikipedia.org

From Barnes and Nobel all I am seeing now is this Abingdon Press.

amazon.com, seen their name, who are they? amazon.com

en.wikipedia.org Founding member of some evangelical publishing thing, owners of the NIV bible. SHIT!

Bruce Metzger, that means Oxford U Press. Should be okay. amazon.com

Leather $51 ( like they do with NAB-RE )

This is good, with Apocrypha, leather or paper back. Still don't know that their leather one's really look like. amazon.com

SJG

san_jose_guy7 years ago

So here, the owners of the New American Bible Revised Edition. Reading a book about Isaiah and the bible part is word for word identical.

usccb.org

So here is what I am reading. litpress.org

It is new, because of the new third version of the New American Bible, and because of what more has been learned from sources like the Dead Sea Scrolls.

What could be more intense than Isaiah?

This commentary is put out by St. John's Abbey in Collegeville Minnesota, a combined Catholic and Anglican Benedictine Community.

They also put out the St. John's Bible, a calligraphy bible. Books collated and assembled as in a Catholic bible, but done some years ago and using instead of NAB, the NRSV translation. I find this quite interesting.

And the cover picture on the book I am reading is from that St. John's Bible, Isaiah's Vision.

So they sell this for $9.95 paper back. Whole series has 37 volumes, for the full Catholic bible. So they sell the whole set for $289.

The books are real good!

Very very different from the kinds of thinking which underlie the "I AM A CHRISTIAN MOVEMENT". Sample: litpress.org

6" by 9" 184 pages. The one I am holding is a hardback.

SJG

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san_jose_guy6 years ago

Okay, so I had a reading balance plan which had worked for over a year and a half. But now it is all screwed up. I don't really want to be reading books like this.

But soon I will have:

amazon.com

Then eventually some things will get handled and my reading balance plan can be restored.

SJG

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san_jose_guy6 years ago

Resurrecting Easter: How the West Lost and the East Kept the Original Easter Vision John Dominic Crossan

look at the last page of this, the back page endorsements, look what John Shelby Spong wrote: amazon.com

Okay, I used to have a reading balance plan, it worked great. But then I've had to let go of it and read all these sorts of books. And there are more after this. Need to do this. But then after, no more.

This book is really interesting. Points out that in the Gospels there are no direct accounts of the Resurrection, only Resurrection appearances.

Where as there are detailed accounts of the Baptism, Transfiguration, and Ascension.

But there is much detailed art of the Resurrection. And originally it was Jesus rising and bringing everyone else with him, like holding each Adam and Eve by the wrists. This is on the cover of the book. So the Resurrection was already universal.

Richard Rohr delayed publication of his newest book on account of Crossan.

So some how in the West this universal understanding was lost, but it has remained in the West.

So I cannot spend too much time with this book, loaded with art works pictures, but I do need to extract the key ideas from it.

It also clarifies on the copy write page:

NRSV Bible copy write 1989, Division of Education of the National Council of Churches of Christ in the USA.

And then we know that the I AM A CHRISTIAN movement then went on the make their own translation, NIV, an idiotic translation, to oppose NRSV and RSV.

SJG

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san_jose_guy6 years ago

So this just published book is indeed most interesting.

Resurrecting Easter: How the West Lost and the East Kept the Original Easter Vision John Dominic Crossan

John Shelby Spong rates Crossan on the level of Augustine, Aquinas, Luther, Calvin, Tillich and Barth.

So the book deals with the Eastern Orthodox concept of Universal Resurrection, as opposed to Individual Resurrection. And this is conveyed in visual art.

Book is loaded with visual art. But it has no maps.

So, they start the discussion by going here, Greek Cyprus.

Pano Platres, Cyprus

use zoom outs to see where this is: google.com

But a dozen years ago they had started this work in Turkey. They led groups of 40 each year, following the footsteps of Paul.

And one of the places they will be going is Mt. Athos. Again, use zoom outs and changing back to maps to see where this is: google.com

Pictures like this, pulling Adam and Eve by their wrists, often out of their sarcophagi

SJG

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san_jose_guy6 years ago

So finished with:

Resurrecting Easter: How the West Lost and the East Kept the Original Easter Vision John Dominic Crossan

Its going to take a while for me to post anything which does a good job of summarizing this.

Have in hand now: A new Christianity for a new world : why traditional faith is dying and how a new faith is being born / John Shelby Spong. ( a most profound book, still need more time with it. )

Will have soon: God revised : how religion must evolve in a scientific age / Galen Guengerich. ( pastor of All Souls UU, NYC )

SJG

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san_jose_guy6 years ago

The Crossans talk about this, Resurrection Gate, Red Square, Moscow.

Stalin had the building demolished in the 1930's to make way for large military vehicles for parades. But in 1990 it was rebuilt to exacting detail.

Notice the two portals, and then in the center a painting.

travel-images.com

This is the painting or mosaic right here, it faces in towards Red Square. It is an example of that the Crossans are calling the Universal Resurrection.

Here from their book, page 1, St. Ambrose of Milan, speaking of the death of his brother Satyrus, maybe the year 379,

"If Christ did not rise for us, then he did not rise at all, since he had no need of it just for himself. In him the world arose, in him heaven arose, in him the earth arose. For there will be a new heaven and a new earth."

They also draw upon:

Anastasis : the making of an image / Anna D. Kartsonis (1986)

amazon.com

Actually it would be very hard to summarize this book, dates covering 1000 years, and covering Christianity of both the East and the West, and the politics which influenced them.

SJG

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san_jose_guy6 years ago

Just a quick note here:

Tobias Churton writing about Occult Paris at the end of the 19th Century. One of the common phenomenon are these bleeding communion wafers. Upon close examination the blood is found to be coming from the interior of the wafers, and so it is not just a hoax. It is actually quite common.

I don't really know what to make of it, but Priests were getting defrocked for it.

Okay, well this is admittedly a kind of Catholic Fundamentalism, the Signs and Wonders Dept. But there is a long history of bleeding communion wafers. In one case even growing flesh, determined to be heart tissue, and along with white blood cells.

It would appear that this has been going on for a very long time, and with people getting canonized.

therealpresence.org

amazon.com

I really don't know what to make of all this. And it has been happening all over the world too.

SJG

san_jose_guy6 years ago

God revised : how religion must evolve in a scientific age / Galen Guengerich. (2013) ( pastor of All Souls UU, NYC )

Guengerich grew up Mennonite in Pennsylvania. But he separated from them.

uua.org

from Amazon:

Galen Guengerich is Senior Minister of All Souls Unitarian Church, an historic congregation located on the Upper East Side of Manhattan in New York City. He is the tenth person to hold this position in the congregation's 192-year history. He was educated at Franklin and Marshall College (BA, Phi Beta Kappa, 1982), Princeton Theological Seminary (MDiv, 1985) and The University of Chicago (PhD, 2004).

He is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. He serves on the Board of Directors of Interfaith Alliance, the national non-partisan advocacy voice for faith and freedom; he served as chair of the Interfaith Alliance board from 2008-2012. In the past, Rev. Guengerich has served as Visiting Scholar at Union Theological Seminary in New York City; and on the boards of Dads and Daughters, the national advocacy nonprofit for fathers and daughters, and the Unitarian Universalist Service Committee, a human rights organization.

His sermon at All Souls on Sept. 16, 2001--the Sunday after 9/11--was selected for inclusion in Representative American Speeches 2001-2002. Titled "The Shaking of the Foundations," the sermon appears along with speeches by Governor George Pataki, President George Bush and Mayor Rudolph Giuliani as one of seven "Responses to September 11th.".

Here we have him in 2014 youtube.com

SJG

san_jose_guy6 years ago

^^^^^^ Galen Guengerich looks harmless enough, and his speaking style is real churchy.

But what he is saying is a blistering critique of theism and the 3 Abrahamic faiths.

SJG

san_jose_guy6 years ago

At the end of the 19th Century, French Occultists were dealing in bleeding communion hosts. But the church was defrocking priests who trafficked in such.

Now the church, at least some elements of it, are promoting such. I don't know what to make of it.

It is of course an extreme for of Catholic Fundamentalism, which I do not go along with at all.

Still curious to me.

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^^^^ Starts off with Buenos Aries, '92, '94, 96

Looking for outside reportage on this, this one involved present Pope Francis:

sign.org

"he saw to his amazement that the host had turned into a bloody substance. He informed Bishop Jorge Bergoglio (now Pope Francis), who gave instructions that the host be professionally photographed. The photos were taken on September 6, 1996. They clearly show that the host, which had become a fragment of bloodied flesh, had grown significantly in size. For three years the host remained in the tabernacle, the whole affair being kept a strict secret. Since the host had suffered no visible decomposition, in 1999 Archbishop Bergoglio (he had become Archbishop by that time) decided to have it scientifically analyzed."

" One of these American scientists was Dr. Frederic Zugiba, a well known cardiologist, expert in forensic medicine, and chief medical examiner of Rockland County, New York from 1969 to 2002. He determined that the analyzed substance was real flesh and blood containing human DNA. Zugiba testified that “the analyzed material is a fragment of the heart muscle found in the wall of the left ventricle close to the valves. This muscle is responsible for the contraction of the heart. It should be borne in mind that the left cardiac ventricle pumps blood to all parts of the body."

" The heart muscle is in an inflammatory condition and contains a large number of white blood cells. This indicates that the heart was alive at the time the sample was taken. It is my contention that the heart was alive, since white blood cells die outside a living organism. They require a living organism to sustain them. Thus, their presence indicates that the heart was alive when the sample was taken. What is more, these white blood cells had penetrated the tissue, which further indicates that the heart had been under severe stress, as if the owner had been beaten severely about the chest.” "

So I look for secular news sources:

some curious books listed: en.wikipedia.org

"Dr. Zugibe was one of the people investigating the Eucharistic miracle of Buenos Aires.["

absoluteprimacyofchrist.org

Video, Spanish with English subtitles

youtube.com

This stuff is so far out that it becomes more like occultism than mere fundamentalism.

Here another video in English, Priest telling the story. youtube.com

Again, they used to be defrocking priests over stuff like this, now elements of the church are promoting it.

SJG

san_jose_guy6 years ago

So this Galen Guengerich is interesting, a good guy. But as I am coming to more and more understand, it is still church on Sunday mornings. I am more interested in the Occult, than in Religion.

Anyway, like it or not I need to read all these kinds of books now. Seems like an endless list, but it is not.

The soul's journey : exploring the three passages of the spiritual life with Dante as a guide / Alan Jones.(1995)

amazon.com

Naming the powers : the language of power in the New Testament / Walter Wink (1984)

Brian Swimme en.wikipedia.org

Brian Greene, Physicist en.wikipedia.org

On religion / John D. Caputo 2019 second edition. Not available right now.

amazon.com

SJG

san_jose_guy6 years ago

God revised : how religion must evolve in a scientific age / Galen Guengerich. (2013) ( pastor of All Souls UU, NYC )

So I'll be reading more of this in times later. Good, but not super urgent for me.

Want to for now document some of his numerous references.

Karen Armstrong, A History of God

John Dewey, A Common Faith

Freeman Dyson

Ludwig Feuerbach, The Essence of Christianity

Brian Green, The Fabric of the Cosmos

Thomas Hardy, Jude the Obscure

Kathryn Joyce, Quiverfull ( a frighting expose coming from the UU Church )

W. V. Quine, From a Logical Point of View

Friedrich Schleirmacher, The Christian Faith

Margorie Suchocki, wrote something called "Weaving the World" in Process Studies., 1985. That journal may be based on Whitehead.

Charles Taylor, The Ethics of Authenticity

------------, A Secular Age.

And then most of all,

Alfred North Whitehead, Process and Reality, corrected 1979 edition, David Ray Griffin and Donald Sherburn, Free Press.

SJG

san_jose_guy6 years ago

So in hand now:

The Universal Christ, by Richard Rohr.

Want to get more of the central ideas out of this, but still I don't want to spend too much time with it.

Will have soon: The Liberal Catholic Church : an analysis of a hybrid sect / Warren Christopher Platt. (1982)

^^^^ this is closely connected to the Theosophical Society, especially starting with Annie Bessant.

SJG

san_jose_guy6 years ago

Richard Rohr like this John Duns Scotus (1265/66–1308), like himself a Franciscan

plato.stanford.edu

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san_jose_guy6 years ago

So what Richard Rohr is putting out is interesting and there is power in it. But more than anything, I am seeing it is mostly Anti-Gnosticism.

It is like Bishop Iraneaus, denouncing the gnostics.

And it is like Francis of Assisi opposing the Cathar and Bogomil Gnostics by hiding behind his vows while promoting the use of Manger Scenes and veneration of the Holy Family.

Rohr starts off by denouncing Post Modernism and Post Structuralism. He seems not to understand how much power is being given away in his call for true Universalism, monumental power for whom ever can come to control this.

SJG

san_jose_guy6 years ago

Rohr is 75 years old, he had survived cancer by age 50. And he has written lots of books. He draws attention to these:

Naked Now

Just This

Divine Dance

Immortal Diamond

Also N. T. Wright book about Paul

Bruno Barnhart Second Simplicity, the inner shape of Christianity, Paulist Press 1999

Walter Wink, The Human Being, Jesus and the Enigma of the Son of Man

san_jose_guy6 years ago

Scriptures which Rohr is drawing from:

first versus of Genisis, and of John.

Jeramiah's new gospel before the gospel, 31:31 ?

Rom 1:20, 8:19ff

1 Cor 11:17ff

Col 1:15-20, 3:11

Eph 1:3-14

Acts 2:36, 10:15, 34

John 8:12, 17:21

Gal 4:4

1 Cor 11:17ff

SJG

san_jose_guy6 years ago

So looking at these Collegeville Bible Commentaries.

Lamentations used to be with Jeremiah and Baruch, but not now.

vol 24 litpress.org

vol 6 Galatians and Romans litpress.org

vol 8 New Collegeville Bible Commentary: First Thessalonians, Philippians, Second Thessalonians, Colossians, Ephesians litpress.org

vol 7, 1st and 2nd Corinthians litpress.org

And then this Liturgial Press is handling this Little Rock Study Bible, and I do not know what that is. 2668 pages and $80 for a deluxe edition! litpress.org

jestrite506 years ago

I think the American Standard Version is closer to the Greek for NT and closer to the Hebrew for OT. This was copy righted 1901, I believe. The New American Standard is good but the language is more modernized. I use the NIV quite often. it is very accurate for Luke and Acts. Translated by Dr. Lewis Foster for those two books. Very good man was at Cincinnati Bible Seminary, I believe. the other books not so accurate though so American Standard or New American Standard would be good choices. jestrite50

san_jose_guy6 years ago

American Standard and New American Standard are widely praised for their translation accuracy.

NIV, that was made by Evangelicals to counter RSV and NRSV. I would never purchase such an item, but someone had given me one. I recently threw it in a garbage dumpster.

SJG

san_jose_guy6 years ago

^^^^^ The translation was blatantly just someone's own imagination, warping the text as far as they could.

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san_jose_guy6 years ago

I hate reading books like this, trying to argue Good Christianity versus Bad Christianity.

amazon.com

But I have political needs. Still a few more books like this to read, and a few to return to. THEN I AM DONE FOR LIFE WITH SUCH STUFF!

Alan W. Jones was Dean of the Episcopalian Grace Cathedral in San Francisco. Not so bad, but still a real stuffed shirt.

SJG

san_jose_guy6 years ago

Looks good: Elaine Pagels

Beyond belief : the secret Gospel of Thomas / Elaine Pagels. (2004)

And her newest book.

videos: a recent one youtube.com

Alan W. Jones, he is a curious one. I can see now why I found him perplexing long ago, listening to recordings of his sermons. Neither of his parents had any interest in religion, seeing it correctly so as the domain of the rich. But young Alan took to it. Normally I would say that that is the mark of a neurotic. Anyway, he is critical.

san_jose_guy6 years ago

Alan Jones talks about how some Born Again groups really emphaize recreating the Aposolic Age, but this is bull shit. I know this.

But here is a book which shows this:

The myth of Christian beginnings / Robert L. Wilken 1980

amazon.com

Readily available, and Wilken has written a lot of related books.

SJG

san_jose_guy6 years ago

so finished with Alan Jones, too many references to list. This really is a good book. People should have it on their shelves.

He talks about George Steiner amazon.com

and he talks about Sunset (1872), Claude Monet, done at Le Harve claude-monet.com

Jones is much better in this book than he was in Sunday Sermons, keeping the pews and collection plate full at Grace Cathedral.

Now to read

Why Religion, A personal story

by Elaine Pagels.

Remember that it was she who wrote Adam, Eve, and the Serpent, 25 years earlier about Gnosticism and the relevance of the Nag Hammadi texts. Her book was better than many of those which have come out since.

SJG

san_jose_guy6 years ago

Elaine Pagels, her above book is more like a memoir. Talks about seeing Billy Graham at the San Francisco Cow Palace. Actually just South of San Francisco. And about Jerry Garcia of the Grateful dead.

Need her birth year to put some of this on a timeline.

Feb 13, 1943.

en.wikipedia.org

So then seeing Billy Graham would have been 1958.

Jerry Garcia wedding

en.wikipedia.org

So Garcia is less than a year older than she, not how she presented it.

So Garcia first marriage, April 23, 1963, in Palo Alto UU Church.

Pagels taking UC LA summer class where she studied Camarillo Mental Hospital, maybe in So Cal desert, a year or so before that. Impression of Mental Hospital very negative.

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san_jose_guy6 years ago

So Elaine Pagels is quite interesting.

Why Religion, A personal story

by Elaine Pagels.

Grew up in Palo Alto. Saw Billy Graham at the Cow Palace. Her parents had had little use for religion, so she had not been immunized. She saw it as all good. Got involved with the Mid-Pennisula Bible Church. They call themselves "Bible believing Christians".

That church still operates to this day, several campuses.

Stayed with them for 1 1/2 years. What did it was a guy she knew was killed in a car crash.

They asked, "Was he born again?"

She said "No, he was Jewish".

They said "Then he is in Hell."

Pagels walked out of their church that moment, never to return or ever talk with any of their people again.

Graduated from Stanford, got involved in a new Doctoral Program at Harvard.

Run by Krister Stendahl.

He asked why she had come, and she said something about wanting to find the essence of Christianity.

Then he asked, "How do you know it has an essence?"

She writes, In that instant, I thought, "That's exactly why I came here: to be asked a question like that--challenged to rethink everything."

Pagels is quite academically capable. She seems not really to like her father or his parents. With the mother so so. Seems to like her mother's parents. They are from Holland, coming to live in Saratoga CA.

Pagels is highly academically capable. And she seems to feel free to study whatever moves her. No serious identity or conflict issues to be seen.

Here she quotes from Gospel of Thomas, its 114 sayings, number 70, often quoted,

"If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save you. If you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you."

SJG

san_jose_guy6 years ago

Yeah, so Elaine Pagels did not seem to have anything to prove, anything to live down, no historical identity conflict issues.

Exact opposite of say someone like the Financial Literacy Guru Robert Kiyosaki. He did not like his academically oriented father, so he built an entire empire arguing the other side. But note that his real reasons and his denunciation of his father did not surface until his father had passed away.

Pagels is not in the least susceptible to these Financial Literacy, Junior Achievement, Libertarianism teachers. Pagels just studies and learns what she wants. She teachers, and her books about the Nag Hammadi scriptures were some of the first, and are still some of the best, ever published.

SJG

Ricks act and then think later. So yes, they are influenced by Rick Dugan. They believe that they are Dugan.

And due to psychological and medical torture, Dugan believes that he is a Rick. He is not, he is a hairless ape. He is the Last Man.

This is the best information to date as to who and what the Ricks are: tuscl.net

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san_jose_guy6 years ago

Finishing with

Why Religion, A personal story

by Elaine Pagels (2018)

She references Jeffrey Burton Russell, who has written books about Satan

en.wikipedia.org

amazon.com

She has written her own book too.

She also references, "Scroll of the War of the Sons of Light Against the Sons of Darkness". found with the Dead Sea Scrolls, 1947.

en.wikipedia.org

amazon.com

All most interesting!

Now returning to:

A New Christianity for a New World,

by John Shelby Spong, 2000

amazon.com

SJG

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obiously floats, and can have outboard motor. Why not propellers off of the traction drive?

marshmaster.com

san_jose_guy6 years ago

A New Christianity for a New World,

by John Shelby Spong, 2000

This is actually very good, and well worth slow and careful reading, which is why I always return to it now.

Spong had been elected as Episcopalian Bishop of Newark NJ. Then as he was retired he was invited into some special program at I think Harvard. He was to give a series of lectures, and they likely turn it into a book. And there was funding for all of this.

Maybe people are willing to go further in such lectures. The book is really really good. I feel that it surpasses most of Spong's numerous books which he wrote in the years since. This one really attacks theism.

SJG

san_jose_guy6 years ago

A New Christianity for a New World,

by John Shelby Spong, 2000

really interesting book, will be returning to it.

SJG

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san_jose_guy4 years ago

Raymond E. Brown, is a Catholic Priest and Sculpture Scholar, and a widely recognized authority on the 4th Gospel.

en.wikipedia.org

He says that the author of Revelations named John, is not that son of Zebedee, the author of the Epistles, or the author of the 4th Gospel.

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san_jose_guy3 years ago

Some might be interested to know that before the Reformation there was a reform movement, the Brotherhood of the Common Life. They sought to have holiness in the context of marriage and family.

It had adherents in the Netherlands and England. It was clearly an influence of Sir Thomas More.

It foreshadowed the Reformation, Capitalism, and the Work Ethic Squirrel Cage, but it came a good deal earlier and it was quite different.

en.wikipedia.org

It is touched on here by Jacob Needleman, and this is very interesting reading: amazon.com

SJG

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san_jose_guy3 years ago

Brotherhood of the Common Life amazon.com

And I think related the English and American Arts and Crafts Movement, opposing industrialization and trying to recreate the middle ages. amazon.com

And then Roycroft and Elbert Hubbard in Aroura New York amazon.com

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