WHy Is The USA SO “Stuffy” ???

Religious right and evangelists give political support to the right. Elected democrats in my opinion have been against business rights and strip club rights for decades promising more socialism, much less capitalism and states rights. In between, strip clubs and individual rights have gotten a one two punch.

They even have younger generations thinking the government will take care of them and that if the government gives them free stuff, they will come out ahead. The more the government takes from everyone, the less everyone has left and jobs decline. We are moving towards or were moving towards a socialist nanny state and the leftist socialists who control the media can't stand any interruption to their plans to create a communist US.

On the other hand I did wonder if Hillary might have allowed female sex workers to have more rights to practice their business but I doubted that.

I suspected she would have appointed Supreme Court justices who would do away with gun rights and carets possible civil war in this country as guns were confiscated and possible war with Russia. Putin did say if she was elected, she would be the last US president. I thought that meant Russia would retaliate with nuclear weapons and go to war with Hillary. I heard Russai also has anthrax weapons on missiles that would kill millions in the US. When Putin says someone will be the last US president, I thought that was a serious threat but hardly anyone mentioned it later.

Back on topic, most people have been ok with letting the government gradually take away rights or haven't done enough to fight back or elect officials who believe in business rights and state rights. Almost half the population would have been ok with gun rights disappearing that would have led to a possible civil war. The left thinks that wouldn't happen. I think they are wrong. I'm sure they have plans to do away with more individuals rights. Being able to visit strip clubs is an individual right. Already some have out restrictions on government spending on food stamps, etc, restricting what money can be spent on. If we go to a cashless society, everyone might get an ID card that could become restricted. Tax everyone, allocate money back to the people on cards for food etc. then restrict what they can buy and sell. Strip clubs operate with cash and no one is interested in supporting strip clubs to get elected. My thoughts.

Two oceans. Two world wars on their soil. 240 years of cultural separation. That explains mainland Europe from the United States. It doesn't explain Mexico, though. TJ might just be exploiting an untapped market and be more raw capitalism that anything social.

Also don't forget that some of the settlers here were too crazy for the Church of England. So think about that. That and the Protestant Work Ethic and money. It's not Catholics. That explains the right.

The left? Women's liberation, the sexual revolution, co-ed workplaces with career women. Also the VietNam war, the draft, and resetting of academia around the time. We've been changing values and the left created a echo chamber where being feminist meant one had to adopt ALL the views. And one view is some career women, whether married or not, with children or not, 40 y/o or even younger, resented the idea that some other women, somewhere else, could sell her pussy and set a price for pussy. And that made the career women feel de-valued.

That 40 y/o childless career women is threatened by those women. That's driving the left.

I know that the knee-jerk reaction is to blame one end of the political spectrum or the other. But, the reality is that both conservatives and liberals suffer from an excess of moral puritanism in the US.

And yet politicians in both political spectrums get wrapped around an axle due to sex scandals. Go figure.

Broad US culture has traditionally been immersed in the "protestant work ethic", which has a moral component tied in even for those who aren't deeply religious or church-going. It has been so pervasive that it even bled over to non-protestant cultures within the US.

I grew up with kids who were raised by both liberals parents and conservative parents. We were all taught that sex outside of marriage is shameful and sinful.

I assume it started with the Mayflower - seems the US was basically founded on religious principles by by religious fundamentalists, but I can't say I know/have-studied the exact history

@shailynn to many bible thumpers and feminists no politician wants to lose there votes so were were stuck with these bullshit laws! Plus if it was legal i am sure our greedy government would tax it so damn high the prices would be as inflated as the nevada brothels! Our laws and politicians are a joke and not a funny one! Human trafficking is just a fucking excuse! It happens but no way near as much as they say! Trump and that stormy daniels bullshit is a perfect example of how much of a joke our government is! If it wasnt for the healthcare in the u s i would move to mexico! Being a cancer survivor i need to live close to my doctors!

You're correct Papi. Despite the liberal reputation of Boston, "banned in Boston" was the cry of all censors in the 1950's.

I'm not anti-religion, personally, I feel religion thus more good than harm and I've personally seen the positive changes it's made in many folks' lives - I just don't like religion forcing others to live according to what they believe - religion forcing/imposing-on others to believe what they believe IMO is as bad as secularists not allowing religious people to believe/practice what they believe,

Thanks, CMI. I agree with your points.

I'm not as versed as someone like ATACdawg (who was a minister), but understanding of Protestantism is it has this bug where the sins are sort of treated equally where Catholics historically didn't do that. So one ends up with some really bad sins (murder, stealing, other gods before Him, pedophilia, being a fake war hero) are treated roughly the same same as other sins (prostitution, homosexuality, being a patronizer).

@Papi_Chulo & @Call.Me.Ishmael

But how do we separate the good parts of the Protestant Work Ethic, the part that makes us a strong capitalist country, from the moral parts? Can you? Or does that destroy the former?

I've wondered about that, too. Sometimes I'm worried we're "getting rid of the 'old ways' these days" and maybe the conservatives were right and there was a point to the old ways?

Generally, I think the Catholics of mainland Europe prior to 16th & 17th Century, had it right. Prostitution was sinful and those involved were encouraged to repent, but it was tolerated and treated as a lesser evil. I.e., avoidant of corruption (or even rape) of virginal girls (marriage stock). And perhaps a necessary evil. I think @rickdugan wrote his Masters thesis on this.

Shit. I think I just sold myself on Catholicism, lol!

Dominic77 said "But how do we separate the good parts of the Protestant Work Ethic, the part that makes us a strong capitalist country, from the moral parts?"

We don't. At least not through direct action. Large cultural and moral shifts take time.

The more countries I visit the happier I am that I live here, I’ve enjoyed my trips abroad, but as far as prostitution is concerned I wouldn’t care one way or the other, and overall my quality of life is better here. Not for or against prostitution, but there is so much more to life, than fucking whores.

^lolololol

Well San Jose Guy goes to Mexico to fuck goats...

@Call.Me.Ishmael:

I remember Max Weber being discredited. I think the real takeway was the values and work ethic of your parents and grandparents. Which to enact social change with regard to moral puritanism will take time. Thanks.

^^^ are you saying “as far as I know my grandfather and father never banged hookers so I shouldn’t either?”

• I’m just kidding! But I’m willing to bet both of mine did.

I bet both of mine did, too.

I know my great uncle had a mistress that he bought a house for. She survived both him and his wife. We used to visit and place over with her (called her Grand Aunt Nina [name changed]) as young kids. I think that was more common in the "old country" (a/k/a Italy).

Chaken and Egg, right? It seems at some point the chakken lays a mutant egg. Then things change.

@25 any way we could please stop using the word whore

^If it fits why, it doesn’t have to be gender specific, would you prefer I tailor my posts specifically to lease you ?

Juice said he prefers the term “cum dumpster” it’s a lot more classy.

I think the left and right are getting more authoritarian and neither side like likes that know nd of thing. Conservatives tend to be more religious nuts and want to go after women and the supply side. The left is more dominated by women and most middle aged women are insecure enough they feel threatened. It would be anti feminist to blame sex workers though so they make up this bizarre narrative that sex workers are raped whether they say they consent or not so they can blame men.

It’s two crazy useless groups who hate each other but strangely get to the same place in the end.