Michigan Proposed House Bills HB5972-79 Regarding All MI Strip Clubs

These kinds of local regs are always horrible, and always things which a court could find to be unconstitutional. They are just trying to destroy an industry because they don't like it.

Always much more harmful than the law against prostitution, as that it extremely hard to enforce.

SJG

Wow $2500 for a state license you Michigan PLs are in trouble I can imagine the texts that you guys are going to get.

^^^^^^^ :) :) :)

25 +25

SJG

SJG is most upset about no boners from male dancers!!!

SJG only cares about female dancers, and lap sitting is a good way to initiate front room makeout sessions. Buying dances is for chumps.

SJG

This tells you MI does not want strip clubs

^^^^ bingo!

But this also tells you why their bill is unconstitutional. They aren't allowed to eliminate strip clubs just because they don't like them. If they were, no where would have any strip clubs.

Constitutionally protected free speech!

SJG

It looks like the goal is to reduce the number of strip clubs across the state as well as reduce interest in becoming a dancer.

I really hope this bill gets shot down, but I don’t have very much confidence in our elected officials.

I see more and more the strength of this forum, being pro strip club, pro P4P, very different from most of our society.

SJG

It was just one lady who proposed the bill. I'll see if I can find rhe original article and post the link.

i dont see a problem with the bill. 2650 for a license is a drop in the bucket for dancers. BJ averages 550 a day working only 4 days a week. thats equal to about +100K per year. currency used in SC is cash, so i wonder if strippers report all their earnings to the IRS. Hopefully this will eliminate the fugly dancers that dont make BJ money.

No, the licensing thing is intended to frighten off younger dancers. They don't want the public record. They don't want cops to know about it if they get pulled over.

We have that in this county and it sucks.

SJG

^please don't assume all of us do FS or BJs in the club. Also, many of those FSbgirls wouldn't be able/allowed to work or get a license if you actually had read what I posted. If you'd like to see the proposed bill at it's core, I'll fucking post it.

This is the original news article that was posted on here a few days ago.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/2018/05…

Such laws do more to scare off the newbie and low mileage girls. That is the intent. See here, the high mileage girls work in SF. THe ones who want to start here are not intending on doing anything like that. So the law scares them off. That is its intent.

SJG

I feel as though you fail to realize that not all of Michigan is like metro Detroit clubs. Many of most popular extras clubs were cleaned up by vice. Now there's probably a handful of high mileage clubs outside of the city limits here.
Obviously, as customers, you guys aren't grasping how shitty this situation would be for dancers in general or who may not have any other choice of employment.

Detroit clubs are not all of Michigan. Extras within Detroit aren't found in Kalamazoo, Battle Creek, Traverse City, Grand Rapids, Ypsilanti, Lansing, etc.

im meant the dancer BJ thats on here. not a blow job...lol.

I don't make any such assumptions. I have never been to Michigan.

I have never even gone along with the 'extras' concept.

I am attracted to what is reported about Detroit, mostly the FS clubs.

But as to this proposed legislation, my concern is that it is unconstitutional and it is intended to scare off dancers and because they want to eliminate strip clubs.

Saying "I am not like those dancers at those other clubs" is counter productive and only aids those who should be seen as mutual enemies.

SJG

Also clean dancers have nothing to worry about, some come on here and brag about make $1.5K a night. the 2650 is a flat tax when you girls have your $1.5K nights

Omg. Sorry to both of you! I'm used to having to defend myself and/or clean danders when I post on this forum. Apologies!

This bill would kill clubs in Michigan. The dancer fee is an absurd $ grab and an obvious disincentive to dance here. If this happened Windsor Ontario would once again rise from the ashes and be great again as dancers, customers and $$$ leave the US and this state.

What a dumbass bill that could only appeal to naive "do gooders".

^^^^^ agreed!

SJG

The proposed bill is terrible. It will hurt dancers and customers and the clubs. Hopefully, it will not pass. I will be contacting my representative.

LegendAtL,

One thing which really opened my eyes was our underground Mexican Bar table dancing circuit. There I encountered 'off the hook' girls. They did all the OTC that they could, and they were doing front room FS in quantity. It was just the way these girls were. They had come to the point where they wanted to fuck as many guys as possible.

After LE shut down Front Room FS, then the core group starting bringing their own mini-van for the parking lot.

These girls were in no way looking to the club management and its rules to protect them. What they most wanted was just to be able to do it their own way. These girls were beloved. Any time spent with them was a real trip, its just in the ways that they look into your eyes and listen.

And of course they also did all the kissing, licking, and sucking that one could ever imagine.

SJG

Uh oh. You Detriot PL's better start some gofundme's for your favorites.

^^^^^ There you go, always new ways to set up share-a-woman programs.

:) :) :)

SJG

Hey SJG have you ever been out of your moms basement?

@shailynn

Haven't you seen SJG in the news the last couple of days?

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/22/us/judge-…

Much of American law and culture encourages the black sheeping and scapegoating of ones child.

One such father, I helped put into San Quentin.

SJG

This sounds like a law to enhance revenue for the state.

Usually the real reason is to scare off newbie dancer and try to eliminate strip clubs. This is how it works here.

SJG

absolutely.

(both sjg and warrior.)

!!!!

More useless politicians screwing shit up like they usually do!

politicians don’t have to be conserned about laws. they are above law. and if they are not informed of opportunities then friends and lobbyists can hook them up.

They clearly aren't concerned about revenue, they just want to limit dancer availability and get the clubs shut down. I'll be active on this, although I think it's just bullshit and won't go very far. The most I've heard about a dancing license cost is in the $300s. $2500 is crazy. Tuberculosis and Hep vaccine? That's even weirder. Why? Also, Hep C no vaccine, so we're just going to vaccinate for Hep A and B? It's ridiculous. I don't think that'll get very far, especially when Republicans in MI are already worried about voter turnout out this year. So worried that they might legalize recreational weed state wide, on a legislative scale, instead of letting it get to the ballots so more Dems can turn out to vote.

Having a $2500 cost won't make a club only have hot girls; it will probably make clubs have a freeze on hot girls while they save for $2500 (not that they shouldn't already have that saved up), but more "career dancers" / ones familiar with dancing will stick around. This would be disastrous.

Another reason to visit LondonGuy instead

This state representative, Leslie Love (whose name sounds like a pornstar name anyway), is a dumb bitch.

Nina, I'm going to message you on Facebook and send you the Google Document link. A mutual friend we worked with in downtown (you still work with her) picked apart the bill and compiled all of this information.

Go get em' ladies!!

I really doubt it will be passed.

Is no one going to comment on the no boner rule for Male dancers? REALLY??

Well...I have no stake in that but of it was no boners for customers I would be outraged! Lol

I’ve heard many atlanta dancers over the years bitch about the license fee which is something like $300. They act like it would require them to pay down the national debt. If they had to pay $2,500 something very radical would happen like their boyfriends getting a job. Either that or some guys are gonna get a lot more blow jobs.

damn. i can’t find the thumbs up emoji.

this is called gentrification. top clubs/strippers will be fine. get rid of the peasants/poor by imposing higher taxes, and making them go underground.

Stupidity like this proposal, is the reason why many don't vote, our politicians know this and do this regularly to turn normal, and reasonable into non-voters. People just don't realize they get the the government they deserve,generally in non-presidential election years the voter turn out is less than 40%, there fore those that are passionate about an issue like this will be the difference. If you would like to see this trend reversed, what needs to be done is find a way to force turnout higher. Until then the bible thumpers and big brothers will be in control

Bill 5976 is where they target the VIP booths:

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/…

A bunch of bitter female democrats from the Detroit area are the sponsors.

I'm wondering if the $2,500 would apply to clubs, not dancers. Maybe I'm reading that wrong.

The VIP booth bill ... I mean, c'mon. We treat sex like it's worse than doing drugs. If guys are willing to pay for it, and girls are willing to do it, let 'em freakin' do it. Stop trying to control my dick.

A group of Detroit pastors has been trying to shut down the strip clubs for years. They seem to believe that Detroit's problems are caused by the strip clubs--a sentiment open to doubt. This Rep. Love seems to be their representative.

legislating morality.

[sigh] Organized religion getting in the way again.

People just want to be happy. Stealing, killing, being forced to do stuff against your will, not stuff that makes people happy, and religion gets that somewhat. Folks willing to trade sex for money and vice versa make each other happy. No one loses. For some reason, religion doesn't understand that, probably because encouraging their congregations to only have sex to have kids is how you get the Duggars, and that means more people to plop their money in the basket when they get older.

If you're going to look at Detroit and say the clubs are the problem, you're looking at a very wrong thing. Real crime, gangs, drugs, lack of economic opportunity, real problems. Guys having an outlet to get off with willing women, NOT A PROBLEM. It's the flower that blooms through the many cracksin the decrepit, crumbling, bullet-riddled sidewalk next to the burned out crack house that is much of eastern Michigan.

So yeah, just keep scapegoating the wrong things and see how much improves.

Just remember, there's one and only one reason I go to Detroit: The clubs. Go ahead, say you don't want visitors or my $400-$1,000 to go into the local economy. Explain that to the Chamber of Commerce and the tourism board. Kill the one reason guys like me come from other cities to visit. See how that works for you.

Needless to say, it's frustrating. People want to have sex and be sexual. It feels good and it's harmless if done right. Let folks do it, figuratively and literally.

Bill 5974 outlines the fees:

https://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents…

Looks like they are using a shotgun approach hoping that at least some of these bills pass to get a foot in the door.

BTW this is the search engine; just type in the bill number "59XX", hit enter to see who sponsored the bill, their district (a map pops up) and scroll down to get the pdf:

https://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(onu3pa…

This was the interesting comment from the Freep article from the bill's main sponsor Leslie Love:

Love said she has five strip clubs in her district and a total of eight along 8 Mile in Detroit. They’ve become a part of the fabric of the city and she’s patronized some for both research and a fun night with friends and husbands, as well as $2 lamb chops and inexpensive buckets of beer.

I thought I saw her at the Coliseum last week.......

The clubs in her district include Trummps, Penthouse, HT's, Ace of Spades and LaChambre?

If localities could legislate various businesses out of existence, then there never would be anything like a strip club anywhere. Its only because courts have struck such laws down, that strip clubs exist.

Melvin Belli, Carol Doda, other strippers, VIDEO
https://diva.sfsu.edu/collections/sfbatv…

Mandatory Reading
https://www.amazon.com/Bottom-Feeders-Fr…

So for the record, the Bill was introduced by Democrat Cara Clemente from Lincoln Park and co-sponsored by 3 Democrat sisters from Redford, Romulus and NW Detroit.

They should probably take a look at how much these businesses in their territories generate in Property Taxes, Business Taxes, Income Taxes (including City of Detroit), Sales Taxes, Liquor Taxes, etc..

Original thread:

https://www.tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=…

SJG

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