Huh? The VIP isn't some hidden, taboo, shangri-la of the strip club. No dancer is going to be disgusted by you if you bring up VIP. Heck, that's the assumed end goal for both the dancer and the PL. She'd be more disgusted if you didn't.
I have no idea who brings it uo first more often. If I had to say though, I imagine its usually the dancer first (directly or indirectly) as she's trying to figure out if I'm worth her time before she gets too sucked into spending of her time on me, but that's certainly not a conscious decision on my part to get her to bring it up first.
One has a lot better chance of getting on base if they swing the bat - i.e. in a strip club best to go after what/who you want rather than sitting back and hoping - one will often get further by pushing the envelope and if you don't get what you want then you really don't lose anything since she wasn't gonna give it to you anyway
I take the OPs question more generally. Do most of us wait for the dancer to ask for dances/VIP or do we tend to ask first.
For me if I am with a dancer for the first time I tend to only have a quick introductory chat and then buy a single dance. I almost always ask but I don't chat for all that long (5-10 minutes) so I actually find that if the dancer asks me first during that time it is a bad sign that she isn't someone I am interested in for regular status (although this isn't a hard rule).
For dancers I see on a regular basis I am always the one to tell them when I am ready for dances.
I bring up dances early in my talk with a dancer. It’s easy to get interrupted on the floor - so it’s good to let the dancer know that you are interested.
This isn’t civilian dating - where folks dance around a subject. It’s p4p - so it’s business.
If I'm in a new club and I see something I want...I tip them onstage...at least a five or a ten and tell her then I'd like a dance sometime...I've learned the early bird gets the worm.....If she's not available then I'm free to move on and ask another. Many girls will never ask you if you'd like a dance, so don't count on it.
It absolutely depends on the club. No matter where I am, I intend to socialize with the girl a while before we do a dance. If it's at a higher-hustle club, once we've spoken long enough that I know I want her to stay, I'll tell her, "let do a few shots, then you can drag me to the back". In these types of clubs, if I don't let her know fast enough that we'll be going to the back, she'll ask me.
If it's during a slow shift at a low-hustle club (that is, my usual), the girls have just accepted that they're going to socialize a long time to get dances; not uncommon for me to hang with her for an hour+ before we go to the VIP (although with drinks and food flowing, that's the hint they need that I'm there to spend).
I prefer to be asked, I guess it's an ego thing. But, there have been occasions where it was just too good to pass up, so I asked. Also, if you appear to be eager, you're more apt to be taken advantage of.
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What the fuck are you speaking?
I have no idea who brings it uo first more often. If I had to say though, I imagine its usually the dancer first (directly or indirectly) as she's trying to figure out if I'm worth her time before she gets too sucked into spending of her time on me, but that's certainly not a conscious decision on my part to get her to bring it up first.
For me if I am with a dancer for the first time I tend to only have a quick introductory chat and then buy a single dance. I almost always ask but I don't chat for all that long (5-10 minutes) so I actually find that if the dancer asks me first during that time it is a bad sign that she isn't someone I am interested in for regular status (although this isn't a hard rule).
For dancers I see on a regular basis I am always the one to tell them when I am ready for dances.
This isn’t civilian dating - where folks dance around a subject. It’s p4p - so it’s business.
If it's during a slow shift at a low-hustle club (that is, my usual), the girls have just accepted that they're going to socialize a long time to get dances; not uncommon for me to hang with her for an hour+ before we go to the VIP (although with drinks and food flowing, that's the hint they need that I'm there to spend).